more evidence of inept management

[Mr X]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/3705047.Coach_takes_blame_for_Svensson_s_absence/

 

thoughts?

[saint lard]

I posted that link on the Svennson thread earlier,and thought what a complete fook up once more.

Many suspected he would not be able to play mid week aswell as this weekend,and IMO the Donny game is far more important.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Bad mistake by Jan IMO.

 

Even if Killer declared himself fit, he should have only been given a 20 minute run out toward the end. As now we dont have him for the more important task at hand which is picking up CCC points and on top of that, its yet more upheaval of our defence.

 

We will struggle to maintain the same defence 3 games running throughout the season at this rate which is not good at all for the team.

 

Consistancy is the key.

[Scummer]

What a bloody stupid thing to do. I think Jan is starting to lose the plot.

[Mr X]

Surely he knew that that the league game was the most important?

[Dicko]

There are signs that JP is starting to panic

[Danbert]

At least he's not afraid to carry the can

[Foxy]

You could also argue he was going to have to gamble a bit either way. Jan could have waited for the weekend and thrown Killer in only for him to break down after 10 minutes, then where would we be? I guess he saw the cup tie as little more than the equivalent of a reserve fixture to allow Killer to test himself in a match situation.

 

Perhaps he should have subbed him but if Killer doesn't say he's struggling and there are tactical imperatives he's always going to stay on the pitch.

 

Hindsight suggests it wasn't the best thing to happen but some you win.....I just hope we have some of those soon.

 

Meanwhile a little less overexcitement might be handy from us fans

[Calvin]

Weak management!

[Saint in Paradise]

Surely he knew that that the league game was the most important?

 

Overall I agree it is the most important but the Saints board seem to think short term

and if Saints had got through they could have had a big money spinning match against a

Prem team.

[Give it to Ron]

Was it poor management or pressure from above to win the game with the best players playing to get us more cash from the next round of the cup?

I think its again the lack of cash biting us on the arse.

[Dicko]

Was it poor management or pressure from above to win the game with the best players playing to get us more cash from the next round of the cup?

I think its again the lack of cash biting us on the arse.

 

If that's the case, then he must be under a lot of pressure already

[once_bitterne]

So far this season, Perry, Cork and Wotton have played far better than Svennson so I don't see this as any big deal. As fourth choice CB he should be playing the mid-week League Cup game.

[paris]

Gives you all something to moan about at least .....

[positivepete]

Surely he knew that that the league game was the most important?

 

Is it? It is only one league game, we play 46. If we lose a cup game we are out. I would have thought that cup income was very important to the club, and losing against Rotherham would have been a big blow in view of the fact we are losing about £100k of gate receipts each home league match.

[paris]

He made a bad decision get over it, the premiership top managers will do the same over the weekend, welcome to the world of football management..

[the stain]

Seems to me it's just a manager doing the decent thing and carrying the can for a shared decision, where some (read: 'Arry) would point the finger at the player. Nothing to get worked up about IMO.

[alpine_saint]

This was definitely JPs first major error-of-judgement of the season.

[solentstars]

Gives you all something to moan about at least .....

yep they could not wait to stick the boot in,i think you find that all managers ask their main players if they are fit enough after injury to play and trust their judgement,

[Saint Bones]

“He is now in recuperation"

 

.... out of everything thats what scares me the most.

[solentstars]

Gives you all something to moan about at least .....

makes you wonder if they are pompey fans in disguise

[notnowcato]

This was definitely JPs first major error-of-judgement of the season.

 

Why?

[Window Cleaner]

Nah he's not anywhere fit enough, sorry you can't keep chopping and changing the defence to accommodate one guy. So he played tomorrow, he wouldn't play against Norwich anyway.Nothing said that Svensson would have been really fit enough for tomorrow. Time for that particular experiment to end. The defence is James-Perry-Cork-Mills, that's the way it should stay until we get Thomas back in action. Jan is biting the bullet here, he knew what he was doing,rest is sound bite.

[Whitey Grandad]

Nah he's not anywhere fit enough, sorry you can't keep chopping and changing the defence to accommodate one guy. So he played tomorrow, he wouldn't play against Norwich anyway.Nothing said that Svensson would have been really fit enough for tomorrow. Time for that particular experiment to end. The defence is James-Perry-Cork-Mills, that's the way it should stay until we get Thomas back in action. Jan is biting the bullet here, he knew what he was doing,rest is sound bite.

I agree. We should decide on our best back four and then stick with them. I'm not sure that those 4 are the best, though.

[slickmick]

Was it Jan's fault ? Ruperts ? Killers ? Who knows for sure.

 

I like Jan, but sometimes he says to much. He should have simply kept quiet if it was his fault. He has now publicly sowed a seed of doubt that will get even more scrutinised when he next makes a mistake.

[Window Cleaner]

I'm not sure that those 4 are the best, though.

 

 

Maybe not but I don't see who else there is, Lancashire still has a match on his suspension (I think) .Skacel ? yep but in midfield, if he's motivated and willing that is.

[ottery st mary]

JP is too nice a guy and comes under the category damned if you do but damned if you don't. Honesty is always a great belief but as a mate of mine named Maggie once said

Economical with the truth.

The early plan was to use if fit sparingly and maybe only one game a week. But as other posters say keep same side where possible and not continual chopping about. Firstly MS

has to make a final decision re his fitness...Last chance saloon and sit down with JP Wotte, fitness staff and The football Chairman and make a final decision for his own sake and the sake of the team.

Always will be a favourite of many of us but in reality matter has to be resolved.

[SaintRichmond]

What a bloody stupid thing to do. I think Jan is starting to lose the plot.

 

 

The Plot ??? ...... What plot is that then ...........

 

... Oh yes, Lowe's " Killers back, so we won't need cover there then " .. Plot ?

 

Another inspired move by a Chairman with a vendetta

 

I suppose people MAY wake up when we are in Div 2 and gone to the wall .......

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

That is utterly farsical! Blimey who cared about the league cup? I know I didn't, I would much rather have him avaliable for the league!

[SaintRichmond]

You could also argue he was going to have to gamble a bit either way. Jan could have waited for the weekend and thrown Killer in only for him to break down after 10 minutes, then where would we be? I guess he saw the cup tie as little more than the equivalent of a reserve fixture to allow Killer to test himself in a match situation.

 

Perhaps he should have subbed him but if Killer doesn't say he's struggling and there are tactical imperatives he's always going to stay on the pitch.

 

Hindsight suggests it wasn't the best thing to happen but some you win.....I just hope we have some of those soon.

 

Meanwhile a little less overexcitement might be handy from us fans

 

 

WHAT A LOAD OF DRIVEL

 

How much is Lowe paying you to defend such stupid actions as these ??

 

Ask ANY Saints fan what was the most important match ?? ....... No Brainer ... The Doncaster one by a mile

 

It IS obvious to most that Killer's appearances are going to be sparse to say the least ....... so why is it that Messrs Lowe and Poortvliet either cannot, or won't see it

 

BASIC KRAP MANAGEMENT ... right down from the Top

[Window Cleaner]

WHAT A LOAD OF DRIVEL

 

How much is Lowe paying you to defend such stupid actions as these ??

 

Ask ANY Saints fan what was the most important match ?? ....... No Brainer ... The Doncaster one by a mile

 

It IS obvious to most that Killer's appearances are going to be sparse to say the least ....... so why is it that Messrs Lowe and Poortvliet either cannot, or won't see it

 

BASIC KRAP MANAGEMENT ... right down from the Top

 

Have you never thought, has it not flitted across your mind ,that

Svensson is in no condition to be a first choice central defender. 2003 is long gone. If he was so firking great nowadays ,our defence wouldn't be the shambles it was on Tuesday night would it.

[alpine_saint]

Nah he's not anywhere fit enough, sorry you can't keep chopping and changing the defence to accommodate one guy. So he played tomorrow, he wouldn't play against Norwich anyway.Nothing said that Svensson would have been really fit enough for tomorrow. Time for that particular experiment to end. The defence is James-Perry-Cork-Mills, that's the way it should stay until we get Thomas back in action.

 

Yep, kind of sympathise with this, despite affection, loyalty and hope for a return to form for Killer.

 

Defence needs to be stable, and get used to having each other alongside. Killer is arguably a disruptive influence.

[davefoggy]

any news on Wayne Thomas' injury??

[Window Cleaner]

Yep, kind of sympathise with this, despite affection, loyalty and hope for a return to form for Killer.

 

Defence needs to be stable, and get used to having each other alongside. Killer is arguably a disruptive influence.

 

Yes but most still see him as the giant that he was in 2003. Fading stars are oft sad to see.Didn't play against either Ipswich or Barnsley, at least we got a point from those games. He was a shambles against Blackpool.

[Whitey Grandad]

That is utterly farsical! Blimey who cared about the league cup? I know I didn't, I would much rather have him avaliable for the league!

Except that going through to the next round could have given us a big lump of money (by our standards).

[saintbob40]

Wooton Perry as CBs with Cork in his best position f Holding mid infront of them for me.

[Window Cleaner]

Wooton Perry as CBs with Cork in his best position f Holding mid infront of them for me.

 

Whatever is most efficient but stop changing the system every other game.

[OldNick]

I think Jan said before the game that when Killer is fit you should play him as you are not sure he'd be ready the next game. It seems that is the case and he was aware of the fact.To me we should forget Killer for a few weeks and try and get a settled defence, and perhaps get a loan in.

[Give it to Ron]

I think Jan said before the game that when Killer is fit you should play him as you are not sure he'd be ready the next game. It seems that is the case and he was aware of the fact.To me we should forget Killer for a few weeks and try and get a settled defence, and perhaps get a loan in.

 

Yep thats it for me the route of our problems in the last few years..not one manager has sorted the defence. Until we have a rock solid foundation at the back we will continue to struggle.

It is having an effect on the midfield who are frightened to push forward and leave gaps behind - watch how many join into the box on attacks.

Good to see we have signed another forward!

[saint lard]

I think Jan said before the game that when Killer is fit you should play him as you are not sure he'd be ready the next game. It seems that is the case and he was aware of the fact.To me we should forget Killer for a few weeks and try and get a settled defence, and perhaps get a loan in.

 

Sam Sodje would of been ideal,IMO,but he went out on loan to Watford this morning.

Edited 26 September, 2008 by saint lard

[ottery st mary]

Wooton Perry as CBs with Cork in his best position f Holding mid infront of them for me.

 

Looks the best bet. Lets hope JP goes with you coach.

Mills and James(Hatch) with Surman Left Mid-field.

Any loans for defence on the horizon yet.

[Bailey]

Jan can't really win can he?

 

If he didn't own up and admit his mistake then people would be saying he's making excuses and that he should just be honest.

 

Now he is being honest and he's still being slated.

 

Personally, I think it's really refreshing to hear a manager talk so openly to the press and fans alike.

[ottery st mary]

JP has some of the right words but necessarily in the right order.

[the stain]

Jan can't really win can he?

 

If he didn't own up and admit his mistake then people would be saying he's making excuses and that he should just be honest.

 

Now he is being honest and he's still being slated.

 

Personally, I think it's really refreshing to hear a manager talk so openly to the press and fans alike.

 

Absolutely. Much better that he says, 'we discussed it and decided Killer should play, I take the blame', rather than, 'Killer insisted on playing when he wasn't ready; he's made a colossal balls up here and is responsible for the defeat'. Have you seen the way Redknapp has blamed everybody but himself for the skates' recent tonkings? That's the manager we used to have...

 

Everyone wants Killer to be back at his best. It's always going to be a tentative, trial and error process to find out if that is a possibility. It's big of JP to take the blame for a decision that falls on the error side. But it's not a 'terrible management decision'. Get some bloody perspective people.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Nah he's not anywhere fit enough, sorry you can't keep chopping and changing the defence to accommodate one guy. So he played tomorrow, he wouldn't play against Norwich anyway.Nothing said that Svensson would have been really fit enough for tomorrow. Time for that particular experiment to end. The defence is James-Perry-Cork-Mills, that's the way it should stay until we get Thomas back in action. Jan is biting the bullet here, he knew what he was doing,rest is sound bite.

 

 

James and Mills are not good ,strong enough or ready to play in the fullback positions. Saying that we don't appear to have anyone else?

You need a big strong centre half to play alongside either Perry or Cork in this division to win headers as the majority of goals come from set plays.

[saintjinksie]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/3705047.Coach_takes_blame_for_Svensson_s_absence/

 

thoughts?

 

he's a gimp, complete fool, no wonder he had a 'reputation' in holland he wanted to get away from.

[SaintRobbie]

...no wonder he had a 'reputation' in holland he wanted to get away from.

 

Absolutely spot on. Simon Clifford II. Lowe bluffer extraordinaire and if I may say so looked terrible, defeated and so utterly inept during the last home game that I and those around me were itching to jump up behind him and shout; 'Instill some fekking desire and will to win into this team Portaloo you useless Lowedite'... but of course the team needed just a little support at that stage.

 

Tell you what if Keano thinks some of the Sunderland fans are giving him a hard time near the dug out JP better start preparing to turn up in an Army helmet and flak jacket for the next home game.

[up and away]

So far this season, Perry, Cork and Wotton have played far better than Svennson so I don't see this as any big deal. As fourth choice CB he should be playing the mid-week League Cup game.

 

Looks like a good move and JP is being diplomatic here. JP has consistently said that Killer cannot play 2 games in a week. Everyone and his dog knew that beforehand, so either JP has had a total moment of madness along with everyone around him, or he preferred not to play Killer in the league at the weekend. Then the added fact that he could have subbed him at any time and it looks even more deliberate. Going by everything we have seen so far, I believe it is the correct decision.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Michael Svensson or Marian Pahars however good a player they were once their legs have gone they've had it I'm sorry to say - wishing it otherwise won't change that .

[NickG]

Absolutely spot on. Simon Clifford II. Lowe bluffer extraordinaire and if I may say so looked terrible, defeated and so utterly inept during the last home game that I and those around me were itching to jump up behind him and shout; 'Instill some fekking desire and will to win into this team Portaloo you useless Lowedite'... but of course the team needed just a little support at that stage.

 

Tell you what if Keano thinks some of the Sunderland fans are giving him a hard time near the dug out JP better start preparing to turn up in an Army helmet and flak jacket for the next home game.

 

what you are saying is that Keane spoke out about how bad some fans are and you can be even worse. great.