RonManager Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Many congratulations to Blackpool - the real Premiership fairy tale, although those down the A27 seem to believe that they were! Ex Saints Brett Ormerod and Jason Euell back in the Prem. But will they get to play there? This is a double-edged sword for the Blackpool players and/or any players who are part of a team which gains an 'unexpected' promotion (they were favourites for relegation apparently). The prize for many of them maybe that they find themselves out of work as half the team are sold or released as a panic takes over to form a team that might, just might, stay up next season. Swindon are a similar club on the verge of achieving this dubious honour. Memories of Billy Davies and Derby. All the more reason that I loved hearing the intention of Saints to put together a team that won't need major surgery when we get to the Championship.
beatlesaint Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Had to laugh at Euell being so prominent in the celebrations and trophy waving stakes ! Like he even played !! Anyway, well done Brett and well done Blackpool, good luck next season, think you may need it !
Barry the Badger Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Had to laugh at Euell being so prominent in the celebrations and trophy waving stakes ! Like he even played !! He made 33 appearances. I think he's entitled to celebrate.
S-Clarke Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 It's a great story and still shows that success can be achieved without having to spend great sums of money. Looking back on it now, it really does make a bit of a mockery of burley's efforts.
beatlesaint Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 He made 33 appearances. I think he's entitled to celebrate. I meant in the final
david in sweden Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Many congratulations to Blackpool - the real Premiership fairy tale, although those down the A27 seem to believe that they were! Ex Saints Brett Ormerod and Jason Euell back in the Prem. and ...am I mistaken or, is Blackpools full back Stephen Crainey ....ALSO a former Saint ? .. .from our former Prem .days around 2003-4 ? (isn't he the one who Saints fans - one of the worst Left backs we had ?) doesn't matter... Blackpool will get murdered next season.
Neilza Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Happy for Brett, not really a fan at Blackpool though. Hopefully they get spanked next year.
up and away Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 As they say, it's a funny old game. Holloway could not do a thing right at Leicester, Pearson could do no wrong. Then along comes Blackpool with a very mediocre side, less money and stands all that on it's head. Good luck to Blackpool, they deserve their day. God knows what will happen to Cardiff now!
funkymojo44 Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Was going to ask about Steve Crainey. He was shocking when he came here from celtic under strachan i think. Seems to be doing ok now.
Chin Strain Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Many congratulations to Blackpool - the real Premiership fairy tale, although those down the A27 seem to believe that they were! Ex Saints Brett Ormerod and Jason Euell back in the Prem. and ...am I mistaken or, is Blackpools full back Stephen Crainey ....ALSO a former Saint ? .. .from our former Prem .days around 2003-4 ? (isn't he the one who Saints fans - one of the worst Left backs we had ?) doesn't matter... Blackpool will get murdered next season. Yep, that's the one. Remember him from the 1 nil at Fratton under Sturrock.
explorer saint Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Well done Blackpool, expect they might do something about their 'away end side' now
locks heath saint 2 Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Well done Blackpool` you`ve got Brett Ormarod` enjoy your year and see if you can better Derby`s points tally, could be a tough year, Good luck Who knows. Nice to see the Welsh not getting to the Prem, from the abuse they give the English every week, seems they don`t want to play us anyway, maybe they would prefer Airbus UK Etc LOL.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Was going to ask about Steve Crainey. He was shocking when he came here from celtic under strachan i think. Seems to be doing ok now. Strachan bought a lot of ****.
VectisSaint Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Strachan bought a lot of ****. Given Strachan left 3 days after Crainey joined this is a daft statement. Clearly Crainey is not crap, but was probably shell shocked when the man that signed him left. Has made a half dcent career since with Leeds and Blackpool.
eelpie Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 It's a great story and still shows that success can be achieved without having to spend great sums of money. Looking back on it now, it really does make a bit of a mockery of burley's efforts. So very true
Dalek2003 Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 How can they lose ? Even if they finish rock bottom, it is an awful lot of money in the bank, especially for a club like Blackpool !
Badger Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Pleased for Brett Ormerod and an unfashionable club going up. Hope they don't 'do a Burnley or Derby'.
tommi Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Ormerod ram his fecking arse of for us, fair play to him. Real shame for Dave Jones though, such a top bloke.
tommi Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Strachan bought a lot of ****. Agreed... Neil MCcann ?? Quantity over quality, a fatal mistake
saintkiptanui Posted 22 May, 2010 Posted 22 May, 2010 Ormerod ram his fecking arse of for us, fair play to him. Real shame for Dave Jones though, such a top bloke.I didn't want to meet his pet dog:(
paulwantsapint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Congratulations Ormerod & Euell BBC & Match of the day must be scared of what will come out of Holloway's mouth every week
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Wonder if Blackpool will be able to finish building their ground now and replace that bit of scaffolding for away fans.
SaintRobbie Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 I spent all evening singing; 'They've got Brett Ormerod!' Chuffed for Blackpool and chuffed for Brett... a fairy tale for him, he's a legend in Blackpool already and he just cemented that for life. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/23/blackpool-cardiff-championship-playoff-final 'Brett Ormerod – 7 The Blackpool hero. Lucky not to be booked when he needlessly caught Marshall early on, but proved a willing runner and finished the first half by stabbing home what must be one of the most important goals in Blackpool's history.' CONGRATULATIONS BRETT!
Victor Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Happy for Brett, not really a fan at Blackpool though. Hopefully they get spanked next year. Yeah! Really, really, spanked, by the lovely MU, Bolton, Stoke, Liverpool etc.. These are the fantastically lovely sides that really deserve to be in the Premiership. Blackpool - bloody intruders, sooner they are back down in league one the better!
sadoldgit Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 It's a great story and still shows that success can be achieved without having to spend great sums of money. Looking back on it now, it really does make a bit of a mockery of burley's efforts. Maybe, or maybe it just proves the point that spending money does not guarante success. I watched Inter Milan win the biggest club competion this side of the planet - how much didthey spend on their team compared with the likes of Barcelona, Real Mdrid, Chelsea even? What about the othe managers who failed to match Hollway even though they spent more money or had a more expenive team? Strachan is seen as being a better manager for us than Burley...where did his team end up? Pardew spent money and had a good season but didn't finish about teams with cheaper players. If putting a successful side togther was an exact science the teams would cancel each other out. Managers get two chances a season to put a side togther and if this do not gel quickly they are going to struggle. Burley was pragmatic enough to realise how tough it is to maintain a strong, consistant campaign. That is why he said that the target was the play offs. Ver, very difficlut to deliver automatic promotion and he knew it. He did deliver the play offs and that Sanits side were as good as any of the top 6 teams, just not as consistant as the top two. Redknapp, who many think is an excellent manager, told us that we would "go up f'sure" - during his stint as a CCC manager for us was that ever likely? But you don't have a pop at his feeble efforts. In the last few years the Saints have only been a decent competitive side in two seasons. Pardew's season and Burley's only full season. No doubt if Pardew doesn't get us up next up next seaosn he will be slagged off too. If only it was that simple.
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 maybe, or maybe it just proves the point that spending money does not guarante success. I watched inter milan win the biggest club competion this side of the planet - how much didthey spend on their team compared with the likes of barcelona, real mdrid, chelsea even? What about the othe managers who failed to match hollway even though they spent more money or had a more expenive team? Strachan is seen as being a better manager for us than burley...where did his team end up? Pardew spent money and had a good season but didn't finish about teams with cheaper players. If putting a successful side togther was an exact science the teams would cancel each other out. Managers get two chances a season to put a side togther and if this do not gel quickly they are going to struggle. Burley was pragmatic enough to realise how tough it is to maintain a strong, consistant campaign. That is why he said that the target was the play offs. Ver, very difficlut to deliver automatic promotion and he knew it. He did deliver the play offs and that sanits side were as good as any of the top 6 teams, just not as consistant as the top two. Redknapp, who many think is an excellent manager, told us that we would "go up f'sure" - during his stint as a ccc manager for us was that ever likely? But you don't have a pop at his feeble efforts. In the last few years the saints have only been a decent competitive side in two seasons. Pardew's season and burley's only full season. No doubt if pardew doesn't get us up next up next seaosn he will be slagged off too. If only it was that simple. yawwwn like it or not..burley will be remembered by nearly all saints fans as an appalling manager.. he will be remembered by scotland fans as an appalling manager.. he is out of work and will probably never work in the top flight in England again...thank god
LostBoys Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Congratulations to Blackpool. Quite astonishing they cannot be the absolutely dire side we played up there in a draw two seasons ago - we were equally dire and Surman tried to chip the keeper from the left when we had three players completely free on the right of the penalty box and the rest is history.
JackFrost Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 (edited) Maybe, or maybe it just proves the point that spending money does not guarante success. I watched Inter Milan win the biggest club competion this side of the planet - how much didthey spend on their team compared with the likes of Barcelona, Real Mdrid, Chelsea even? Well they bought Etoo, Milito, Motta, Lucio, Sneijder and Pandev all in the 2009/2010 season. All key players and that comes to well over £30 million. So Inter did spend a lot of money on very good players (more than Chelsea by the way) which resulted in them winning the Champions League. So it's a very good example of spending money does go a long way to guaranteeing success What about the othe managers who failed to match Hollway even though they spent more money or had a more expenive team? Strachan is seen as being a better manager for us than Burley...where did his team end up? Er 4th in the PL wasn't it? Largely through getting the best out of players such as Beattie, Marsden, Niemi etc. Burley was pragmatic enough to realise how tough it is to maintain a strong, consistant campaign. That is why he said that the target was the play offs. Ver, very difficlut to deliver automatic promotion and he knew it. He did deliver the play offs and that Sanits side were as good as any of the top 6 teams, just not as consistant as the top two. It's called negative ambition and achieving the bare minimum with one of the best squads in the league, and only achieving it because of other clubs failures near the end of the season. Redknapp, who many think is an excellent manager, told us that we would "go up f'sure" - during his stint as a CCC manager for us was that ever likely? But you don't have a pop at his feeble efforts. Sorry who thinks Redknapp was an excellent manager for us? He never wanted to be here and me and I'm sure the majority of fans don't look back on his reign with any satisfaction. Redknapp did a very poor job for us and I'm sure most people on here would agree. the last few years the Saints have only been a decent competitive side in two seasons. Pardew's season and Burley's only full season. No doubt if Pardew doesn't get us up next up next seaosn he will be slagged off too. If only it was that simple. That was because Burley had a squad which was one of, if not the best in the Championship, a squad let down by a poor manager who rewarded mediocrity and insisted on changing a winning side. Burley's and Pardew's managerial situations are similar in the way they have one of the stronger teams in the division and are among the favourites for promotion Burley achieved 75 points from 46 games when he got us to the play offs, Pardew last season achieved 73 points from 46 games. In other words saints under Pardew finished the season with just 2 points less than Burley did WITH A 10 POINT DEDUCTION. and that was without the luxury of 6 months in charge the previous season like Burley had. Pardew has been 'very good' so far. Burley was 'very mediocre' at best Edited 23 May, 2010 by JackFrost
John B Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Well they bought Etoo, Milito, Motta, Lucio, Sneijder and Pandev all in the 2009/2010 season. All key players and that comes to well over £30 million. So Inter did spend a lot of money on very good players (more than Chelsea by the way) which resulted in them winning the Champions League. So it's a very good example of spending money does go a long way to guaranteeing success Er 4th in the PL wasn't it? Largely through getting the best out of players such as Beattie, Marsden, Niemi etc. It's called negative ambition and achieving the bare minimum with one of the best squads in the league, and only achieving it because of other clubs failures near the end of the season. Sorry who thinks Redknapp was an excellent manager for us? He never wanted to be here and me and I'm sure the majority of fans don't look back on his reign with any satisfaction. Redknapp did a very poor job for us and I'm sure most people on here would agree. That was because Burley had a squad which was one of, if not the best in the Championship, a squad let down by a poor manager who rewarded mediocrity and insisted on changing a winning side. Burley's and Pardew's managerial situations are similar in the way they have one of the stronger teams in the division and are among the favourites for promotion Burley achieved 75 points from 46 games when he got us to the play offs, Pardew last season achieved 73 points from 46 games. In other words saints under Pardew finished the season with just 2 points less than Burley did WITH A 10 POINT DEDUCTION. and that was without the luxury of 6 months in charge the previous season like Burley had. Pardew has been 'very good' so far. Burley was 'very mediocre' at best I would like to suggest Burley was mediocre Pardew is good
redkeith Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 If I was Brett Omerod, I would be happy with a few run outs next season, if Blackpool decide to beef up their squad, safe in the knowledge that I had scored the most valuable goal in football history. Brett Ormerod, the £90 Mllion man !
alpine_saint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Maybe, or maybe it just proves the point that spending money does not guarante success. I watched Inter Milan win the biggest club competion this side of the planet - how much didthey spend on their team compared with the likes of Barcelona, Real Mdrid, Chelsea even? What about the othe managers who failed to match Hollway even though they spent more money or had a more expenive team? Strachan is seen as being a better manager for us than Burley...where did his team end up? Pardew spent money and had a good season but didn't finish about teams with cheaper players. If putting a successful side togther was an exact science the teams would cancel each other out. Managers get two chances a season to put a side togther and if this do not gel quickly they are going to struggle. Burley was pragmatic enough to realise how tough it is to maintain a strong, consistant campaign. That is why he said that the target was the play offs. Ver, very difficlut to deliver automatic promotion and he knew it. He did deliver the play offs and that Sanits side were as good as any of the top 6 teams, just not as consistant as the top two. Redknapp, who many think is an excellent manager, told us that we would "go up f'sure" - during his stint as a CCC manager for us was that ever likely? But you don't have a pop at his feeble efforts. In the last few years the Saints have only been a decent competitive side in two seasons. Pardew's season and Burley's only full season. No doubt if Pardew doesn't get us up next up next seaosn he will be slagged off too. If only it was that simple. Hook, Line, Sinker, S-Clarke. I salute you sir. You demonstrate once again what a paddy SOGGY pulls when his beloved Georgie is questioned...
Stubby Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 I spent all evening singing; 'They've got Brett Ormerod!' Chuffed for Blackpool and chuffed for Brett... a fairy tale for him, he's a legend in Blackpool already and he just cemented that for life. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/23/blackpool-cardiff-championship-playoff-final 'Brett Ormerod – 7 The Blackpool hero. Lucky not to be booked when he needlessly caught Marshall early on, but proved a willing runner and finished the first half by stabbing home what must be one of the most important goals in Blackpool's history.' CONGRATULATIONS BRETT! It brought a lump to my throat when Brett knocked in the winner. One of the most hard-working players we've had in years.
david in sweden Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Congratulations Ormerod & Euell BBC & Match of the day must be scared of what will come out of Holloway's mouth every week yes but ... I tried to get the answer to this before but...isn't their FB Stephen Crainey also a former Saint ?... .but when... and under whose management ?
Saintandy666 Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 I loved the fact that in the BBC news report on it, you could hear Blackpool fans singing 'Who are we?!'.
NunoSaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 yes but ... I tried to get the answer to this before but...isn't their FB Stephen Crainey also a former Saint ?... .but when... and under whose management ? Yep - brought in the summer of 04 by sturrock I think.
La BoIS Saint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 yes but ... I tried to get the answer to this before but...isn't their FB Stephen Crainey also a former Saint ?... .but when... and under whose management ? Have you tried Google? It'ts really great. http://Www.google.com
VectisSaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Yep - brought in the summer of 04 by sturrock I think. Nope, bought by Strachan, made his debut 3 days before Strachan left. Never really got much of a look in under Sturrock, always a problem for a player when the manager who buys him leaves almost immediately. Luggy probably didn't see what WGS saw in him. Loaned to Leeds and then signed permanently and did well in spells punctuated by injury. Has proven to be a good player at Championship level, will be interesting to see if he can cut it in the Prem next season.
VectisSaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 I would like to suggest Burley was mediocre Pardew is good Burley was also assisted by having one of the best assistant managers in the game, Glyn Snodin. Without Snodin Burley demonstrated his complete and utter ineptness. Will have to wait and see how Strachan performs next season when he has had a pre-season to instill his fitness regime (ask Burley what a fitness regime is, he won't know, Burley was responsible for the biggest bunch of lardy players ever seen, Le Tiss would have looked positively athletic in comparison). Strachan cannot turn a team around mid-season, but longer term he will probably show he still has it. Holloway much as I dislike him, does seem to have been able to do something very special at Blackpool. Their fitness levels seem to be very high and by his own admssion he has played a very different style this season to anything he has done before. His time out of the game following his dismissal by Mandic does seem to have rejuvenated him. Most good managers do seem to benefit from a time away from the game especially after a failure, Strachan, Holloway, Cotterill and Pardew are testament to that. Maybe Burley will do the same, somehow I doubt it.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 We do seem to have a strange attitude towards sacked Managers in this Country. It's as if once they've failed somewhere they are put down as a failure. 2 of the big stories this year were Holloway and Roy Hodgson and yet at Leicester and Blackburn they both ended up relegated and sacked. If we had listened to Coventry supporters we'd never have appointed WGS. Abroad Managers seem to get sacked regulary, and still carry on with their careers. Like Holloway appears to have done, if Managers take time to consider why they failed and then change their approach in line with that thinking, they can come back stronger.
John B Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 We do seem to have a strange attitude towards sacked Managers in this Country. It's as if once they've failed somewhere they are put down as a failure. 2 of the big stories this year were Holloway and Roy Hodgson and yet at Leicester and Blackburn they both ended up relegated and sacked. If we had listened to Coventry supporters we'd never have appointed WGS. Abroad Managers seem to get sacked regulary, and still carry on with their careers. Like Holloway appears to have done, if Managers take time to consider why they failed and then change their approach in line with that thinking, they can come back stronger. It does help having good players I doubt we would be saying Pardew is good if Lambert had not scored so many goals.
VectisSaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 It does help having good players I doubt we would be saying Pardew is good if Lambert had not scored so many goals. Pardew didn't inherit Lambert though, part of being good is attracting good players to your cause (of course money helps as well in these footballing mercenary days). Pardew also brought Connolly, probably the best player in Division 3, and got some good performances out of a player who thought his career was finished. I hope very much that DC agrees a deal for next season.
JackFrost Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 We do seem to have a strange attitude towards sacked Managers in this Country. It's as if once they've failed somewhere they are put down as a failure. 2 of the big stories this year were Holloway and Roy Hodgson and yet at Leicester and Blackburn they both ended up relegated and sacked. If we had listened to Coventry supporters we'd never have appointed WGS. Abroad Managers seem to get sacked regulary, and still carry on with their careers. Like Holloway appears to have done, if Managers take time to consider why they failed and then change their approach in line with that thinking, they can come back stronger. . . .which Burley did not do when managing Scotland. Instead he made the same mistakes as he did here, playerd players out of position, couldn't get them fit etc. etc. Not the time out of the game may do him a lot of good and he may well come back and have future success at a club, but I can't see it happening somehow
John B Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Pardew didn't inherit Lambert though, part of being good is attracting good players to your cause (of course money helps as well in these footballing mercenary days). Pardew also brought Connolly, probably the best player in Division 3, and got some good performances out of a player who thought his career was finished. I hope very much that DC agrees a deal for next season. Just think money is the important thing and not Pardew as I doubt whether he would have come to SFC without it. I think he has done a very reasonable job so far I just hope he does better next when he will be under so much pressure - I feel a bit sorry for him really.
VectisSaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 Just think money is the important thing and not Pardew as I doubt whether he would have come to SFC without it. I think he has done a very reasonable job so far I just hope he does better next when he will be under so much pressure - I feel a bit sorry for him really. Cynical view, but true to an extent. Money however was not the lure for DC, well perhaps a little from the perspective of a little money (relatively speaking) or find a proper job. Money is clearly a big draw, but I suspect that Lambert was not just attracted by that, he could see a better prospect of moving up with AP than he could staying with the Gas.
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 May, 2010 Posted 23 May, 2010 For Holloway and Blackpool it is very much the case of "be careful what you wish for". I'd bet odds are less than 1-10 on for Holloway gone by December + Blackpool gone by January. They are about to get Tangerined!
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