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dubai_phil

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Think this should be one for fans everywhere to Mail to Nick Clegg - he wants to scrap stupid laws/rules.

 

We're allowed to FLy ENgland flags down here during the World Cup & all the bars are full of them. So can fly the flag in a Muslim Country but cannot do it in UK in case it offends Muslims.

 

Utter boll1x

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anothersaintinsouthsea

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Think this should be one for fans everywhere to Mail to Nick Clegg - he wants to scrap stupid laws/rules.

 

We're allowed to FLy ENgland flags down here during the World Cup & all the bars are full of them. So can fly the flag in a Muslim Country but cannot do it in UK in case it offends Muslims.

 

Utter boll1x

 

Has anyway actually ever heard a muslim in this country say that an England flag offends them?

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saint boggy

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Has anyway actually ever heard a muslim in this country say that an England flag offends them?[/QUOTE]

 

 

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!:smt038

read the article and it states its for H&S reasons NOT anything to do with offending anyone....i know a few people of ethnic minority and they have no problem whatsoever and in fact are getting mightily p1ssed off that these rules are being turned round and (small-minded) people are blaming THEM for these "rules"

SOME people need to get their heads out of the sand and stop believing the sh1t that The Sun is trying to stir up......:mad:

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Has anyway actually ever heard a muslim in this country say that an England flag offends them?

 

None of the Muslims/Sikhs/Hindus/Rastas that I teach/mentor/work with give a toss.

 

I wear a small CosG lapel pin and have done for years and no one has ever said owt and I teach in mosques & temples as well as classrooms.

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rpb

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There must be more to this than meets the eye

 

Could be - I know that to put up a banner across the road in Southampton requires you to have £6m worth of insurance (at least it did ten years ago)

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None of the Muslims/Sikhs/Hindus/Rastas that I teach/mentor/work with give a toss.

 

I wear a small CosG lapel pin and have done for years and no one has ever said owt and I teach in mosques & temples as well as classrooms.

 

What the hell has the Cuban Organic Support Group got to do with anything?

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saint boggy

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So i take it you will not be wearing an england top nor watching the games either ??

 

Very chavvy

 

wtf has that got to do with anything???? :confused: i ,of course, will be watching and cheering on England, but that doesn't mean i have to try and prove some point to all the Johnny Foreigners that i LOVE this country by hanging a piece of cloth from my bedroom window,thankyou very much. I mean, i LOVE chocolate, but i wouldn't cover my house in Galaxy wrappers, would i!

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Ludwig

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...do me a favour and go out on the streets of Southampton and ask every foreigner you see if they are offended by our flag.......... then come back here with your results.....

 

I don't speak to foreigners out of principle.

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So i take it you will not be wearing an england top nor watching the games either ??

 

Very chavvy

 

I won't be wearing an England top FFS. Chavvy as it gets.

 

People who wear colours of any sort to the pub to watch the telly are a bit silly.

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Sheaf Saint

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Interesting that the article mentions that he claims he was told to take them down because they are racist, but he doesn't actually say that at all in the video interview. Nothing like sensationalising a non-story eh?

 

I could well understand this sort of frothing scare-mongering in The Sun or The Express, but I'm actually quite surprised to find the Echo doing it as well. I know it's an utter rag and I would never waste my money on it, but I did not think they would stoop this low.

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wtf has that got to do with anything???? :confused: i ,of course, will be watching and cheering on England, but that doesn't mean i have to try and prove some point to all the Johnny Foreigners that i LOVE this country by hanging a piece of cloth from my bedroom window,thankyou very much. I mean, i LOVE chocolate, but i wouldn't cover my house in Galaxy wrappers, would i!

 

My point exactly, i don't personally fly a flag, nor would i, but you have stereotyped the people that do as chav's.

 

Surely that makes you as bad as those stereotyping the foreigners ??

 

I don't think the majority that fly the flag do it to be against the foreigners, some just do it as they think they are being patriotic and supportive, who are we to judge them ??

 

And for the record, what difference does it make to wear an england top or club shirt ?? I do at times yes, i am certainly not snobbish enough to look down at anyone else that does.

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Interesting that the article mentions that he claims he was told to take them down because they are racist, but he doesn't actually say that at all in the video interview. Nothing like sensationalising a non-story eh?

 

I could well understand this sort of frothing scare-mongering in The Sun or The Express, but I'm actually quite surprised to find the Echo doing it as well. I know it's an utter rag and I would never waste my money on it, but I did not think they would stoop this low.

 

yes just more noncence from the echo again

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saint boggy

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My point exactly, i don't personally fly a flag, nor would i, but you have stereotyped the people that do as chav's.

 

Surely that makes you as bad as those stereotyping the foreigners ??

 

I don't think the majority that fly the flag do it to be against the foreigners, some just do it as they think they are being patriotic and supportive, who are we to judge them ??

 

And for the record, what difference does it make to wear an england top or club shirt ?? I do at times yes, i am certainly not snobbish enough to look down at anyone else that does.

SS, i never said these people were chavvy, i said it LOOKS chavvy. And i'm aware that most people put a flag out to show their support of England,BUT there are some who do it in order to "prove a point " .

I have no problem whatsoever with people wearing their team cololurs, but to get all precious about being told to take down flags that could potentially be a fire hazard (i know the risk is low, but all it takes is someone to walk past with a lit cigarette and WHOOSH!!) and to then start saying that he was told they are racist is just pathetic.......this guy (and the Echo) are just fanning the flames of racial hatred all because the poor baby was told he can't have his flags out.....aww, bless!

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Unfortunately, these various council chiefs miss the point when it comes to tolerance

 

They seem to think that removing flags is a way of bringing down barriers of racism and xenophobia

 

However, they have the opposite effect.

When English people cannot fly the flag of England in England, it actually raises the barriers of racism. It makes us angry and resentful of these foreigners impacting on our lives.

 

10 years ago, I lived in Norway for a short period. Fabulous country, but interestingly Norway is a country that has a reputation of International neutrality, however there are Norwegian flags in abundance.

 

As an immigrant, do you take offence to this? Of course not, it was nice to see Norwegians proud of their country.

 

We need to seriously re-address some of our ridiculous PC attitudes

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I notice more and more people joining groups on Facebook called (for example); "this is my country and I'll fly my flag if you don't like it, then leave" etc.

 

I haven't heard, read or seen a single news story where someone has been asked to take down a flag on the basis that it's racist or offensive. Am I not reading the right papers? Could someone find some links that have happened (let's say) in the last 2 months (i.e. not in 2002, 2006 or whenever)?

 

With reference the Echo story, looks like crap sensationalist journalism, again. If the flags were in communal areas and were a risk to health and safety (hanging too low, near a heat source etc.) then I could understand, but we haven't seen the pictures of where they were. It's a non-story.

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I notice more and more people joining groups on Facebook called (for example); "this is my country and I'll fly my flag if you don't like it, then leave" etc.

 

I haven't heard, read or seen a single news story where someone has been asked to take down a flag on the basis that it's racist or offensive. Am I not reading the right papers? Could someone find some links that have happened (let's say) in the last 2 months (i.e. not in 2002, 2006 or whenever)?

 

With reference the Echo story, looks like crap sensationalist journalism, again. If the flags were in communal areas and were a risk to health and safety (hanging too low, near a heat source etc.) then I could understand, but we haven't seen the pictures of where they were. It's a non-story.

 

In this instance I think the H&S argument was "used" because they looked tacky and lowered the tone.

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Is Fabio putting them all on a coach to do a tour of England's council estates as a morale

booster before flying out?

 

Not a tour exactly, but they will be driving through the estates on the way to the airport to pick up Terry, Defoe and Ashley Cole from their previous nights conquest flat.

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SS, i never said these people were chavvy, i said it LOOKS chavvy. And i'm aware that most people put a flag out to show their support of England,BUT there are some who do it in order to "prove a point " .

I have no problem whatsoever with people wearing their team cololurs, but to get all precious about being told to take down flags that could potentially be a fire hazard (i know the risk is low, but all it takes is someone to walk past with a lit cigarette and WHOOSH!!) and to then start saying that he was told they are racist is just pathetic.......this guy (and the Echo) are just fanning the flames of racial hatred all because the poor baby was told he can't have his flags out.....aww, bless!

 

He was on the 3rd floor wasn't he ?? You need to be an arsonist to set fire to the flag.

 

I agree with getting all precious but it seems to happen a lot more frrequently these days.

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Think this should be one for fans everywhere to Mail to Nick Clegg - he wants to scrap stupid laws/rules.

 

We're allowed to FLy ENgland flags down here during the World Cup & all the bars are full of them. So can fly the flag in a Muslim Country but cannot do it in UK in case it offends Muslims.

 

Utter boll1x

 

You're an idiot. This isn't the case and never has been. It wasn't the reason in this story and it hasn't been the reason in any story.

 

You believe tabloid journalism and rumour too much, but then you're the moron that said closing airports because of ash clouds was being PC.

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Sheaf Saint

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I notice more and more people joining groups on Facebook called (for example); "this is my country and I'll fly my flag if you don't like it, then leave" etc.

 

Yeah me too. Depressing isn't it. There is a status update thing doing the rounds which I am ashamed to say a couple of friends of mine have fallen for hook line and sinker and posted as their status...

 

Police are going around to all pubs and clubs saying we cant wear our England tops for the football and we have

to take our england flags down, as it is offending people that aint from England! Now im NOT racist BUT this is taking the . This is England, we need to make a stand!! Would you remove your turban, if it... offended me?? ENGLAND!!!!!

 

I think it's about time I did some housekeeping on my facebook account and delete some of the morons I call friends.

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You're an idiot. This isn't the case and never has been. It wasn't the reason in this story and it hasn't been the reason in any story.

 

You believe tabloid journalism and rumour too much, but then you're the moron that said closing airports because of ash clouds was being PC.

 

OK so I am an idiot. Could you please quote all the incorrect interpretations I have made?

 

Let us start with the swimming pools that have regulations about swim wear and move onwards.

 

PC is a root of all evil. It stems from an Industry that has been hijacked from it's original ideas of promoting respect and understanding of alternative cultures into a Political Career.

 

Relationships between cultures are about respect, education and understanding. They are not about imposing edicts and insane laws.

 

PC is about instilling Fear in the population in case it MAY cause offence. That mindset has populated huge streams of the world including Health & Safety. They are not based on Facts they are based on Assumptions.

 

The Ash cloud caused H&S Jobsworths to implement the no fly zones IN CASE. It is like the idea a Policeman could be fined if he jumped into a river to save a drowning child because he did not wait to call in specialist equipment and trained staff.

 

The FACT is that the intentions started out, but because of idiotic statements and arrests and fines the world now will do nothing.

 

Live life as a Racial Minority for a while and you will see the wrongness of what these fools preach. Many of them have never set foot outside into the real world or travelled but seek to impose their ideas and ideology on others.

 

Intolerance and lack of respect are the evils that affect cultural relationships, that is about education and understanding, it is about ensuring that messaging in the education, media and culture learn.

 

Political Correctness is about toeing the party line and issuing edicts and laws that offend the people they are targetted AT and cause greater discontent and greater resentment, so poisoning the ability for REAL progress to be made. Political Correctness & Health & Safety is run by people looking to make the right impact so as to improve their career. They destroy the good that the true believers in the organisations actually achieve.

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I would be quite pleased that the council were taking such an interest in fire safety in I lived in these flats, especially after the tragic fire in Shirley. This is a complete non story, it is not down to PC. It may be excessive H&S but surely this is understandable in the current circumstances?

 

The Echo looks as though it is trying to appeal to the lunatic Daily Mail brigade.

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OK so I am an idiot. Could you please quote all the incorrect interpretations I have made?

 

Let us start with the swimming pools that have regulations about swim wear and move onwards.

 

PC is a root of all evil. It stems from an Industry that has been hijacked from it's original ideas of promoting respect and understanding of alternative cultures into a Political Career.

 

Relationships between cultures are about respect, education and understanding. They are not about imposing edicts and insane laws.

 

PC is about instilling Fear in the population in case it MAY cause offence. That mindset has populated huge streams of the world including Health & Safety. They are not based on Facts they are based on Assumptions.

 

The Ash cloud caused H&S Jobsworths to implement the no fly zones IN CASE. It is like the idea a Policeman could be fined if he jumped into a river to save a drowning child because he did not wait to call in specialist equipment and trained staff.

 

The FACT is that the intentions started out, but because of idiotic statements and arrests and fines the world now will do nothing.

 

Live life as a Racial Minority for a while and you will see the wrongness of what these fools preach. Many of them have never set foot outside into the real world or travelled but seek to impose their ideas and ideology on others.

 

Intolerance and lack of respect are the evils that affect cultural relationships, that is about education and understanding, it is about ensuring that messaging in the education, media and culture learn.

 

Political Correctness is about toeing the party line and issuing edicts and laws that offend the people they are targetted AT and cause greater discontent and greater resentment, so poisoning the ability for REAL progress to be made. Political Correctness & Health & Safety is run by people looking to make the right impact so as to improve their career. They destroy the good that the true believers in the organisations actually achieve.

 

The no-fly zone limits were in line with the standards originally agred between aircriaft manufacturers and airlines.

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norwaysaint

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Think this should be one for fans everywhere to Mail to Nick Clegg - he wants to scrap stupid laws/rules.

 

We're allowed to FLy ENgland flags down here during the World Cup & all the bars are full of them. So can fly the flag in a Muslim Country but cannot do it in UK in case it offends Muslims.

 

Utter boll1x

 

OK so I am an idiot. Could you please quote all the incorrect interpretations I have made?

 

Let us start with the swimming pools that have regulations about swim wear and move onwards.

 

PC is a root of all evil. It stems from an Industry that has been hijacked from it's original ideas of promoting respect and understanding of alternative cultures into a Political Career.

PC is simply a blanket name for not discriminating irrelevantly and unfairly between gender, race and similar. It's just easier than saying racism, sexism etc every time. Note that it isn't not to discriminate, merely unfair discrimination. It has no connection in the least to health and safety.

Relationships between cultures are about respect, education and understanding. They are not about imposing edicts and insane laws.

Agreed, I don't see any insane laws in this story that have any connection to racism or similar, so that's pretty irrelevant.

 

PC is about instilling Fear in the population in case it MAY cause offence. That mindset has populated huge streams of the world including Health & Safety. They are not based on Facts they are based on Assumptions.

No, there is no connection between health and safety and being politically correct. That is simply a miscoception spread by a few people who cannot understand that they were told one activity was unacceptable for discrimination and another was unacceptable for entirely different reasons, often connected to over-zealous health and safety officials. You are clearly one such person.

 

The Ash cloud caused H&S Jobsworths to implement the no fly zones IN CASE. It is like the idea a Policeman could be fined if he jumped into a river to save a drowning child because he did not wait to call in specialist equipment and trained staff.

Yes, but this has nothing to do with political correctness, as you posted.

 

The FACT is that the intentions started out, but because of idiotic statements and arrests and fines the world now will do nothing.

This is still unrelated.

 

Live life as a Racial Minority for a while and you will see the wrongness of what these fools preach. Many of them have never set foot outside into the real world or travelled but seek to impose their ideas and ideology on others.

Which fools? You have read the story? They make it very clear this has nothing to do with racism, making your original comment pretty silly.

In addition, anybody making rules which targeted one cultural group's rights unfairly against another's, including white or British-born people, would automatically be being unfairly discriminatory, or non-PC. If you think white people are not being given their rights, you are preaching political correctness yourself, just under another name.

Intolerance and lack of respect are the evils that affect cultural relationships, that is about education and understanding, it is about ensuring that messaging in the education, media and culture learn.

Yes, tolerance and respect are basically political correctness. You may have decided you don't like the phrase, but that's what it means. You seem to have decided it's something else mainly based on unrelated health and safety issues.

 

Political Correctness is about toeing the party line and issuing edicts and laws that offend the people they are targetted AT and cause greater discontent and greater resentment, so poisoning the ability for REAL progress to be made. Political Correctness & Health & Safety is run by people looking to make the right impact so as to improve their career. They destroy the good that the true believers in the organisations actually achieve.

No, and anyone who believes that is what it means is, like you, misguided. There are plenty of officials out there making ignorant and wrong decisions for what they think are the right reasons. Imagine a doctor who makes poor diagnoses and gives wrong prescriptions, it doesn't make the concept of healthcare wrong. It just means it's sometimes applied by people who don't really get it.

 

Pretty easy to answer really.

Here's somebody more eloquent to explain things better and more entertainingly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo&feature=related

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The Ash cloud caused H&S Jobsworths to implement the no fly zones IN CASE.

 

Come on Phil, you are normally pretty sensible. My own personal view is that governments say, (and remember ATC is a Europe wide issue).. OK, you fly, but if anything happens you are on your own - you pay all the costs and compensation if anything happens, and if anything happens your CEO will be prosecuted. To be honest the airlines aren't prepared to do that and are quite happy to have the authorities to blame.

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Come on Phil, you are normally pretty sensible. My own personal view is that governments say, (and remember ATC is a Europe wide issue).. OK, you fly, but if anything happens you are on your own - you pay all the costs and compensation if anything happens, and if anything happens your CEO will be prosecuted. To be honest the airlines aren't prepared to do that and are quite happy to have the authorities to blame.

 

Yeah, eventually, after Willie Walsh went up and (for some unfortunately) managed to land again..

 

The original ban was one interpretation of a report by a previously unheard of operation. Articles in teh media indicated it was taken by one person on H&S reasons.

 

It wasn't (originally) based on any known facts or evidence. Hence why now there isn't a blanket ban. I may be wrong but the Torygraph & local media covered it in this manner

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