saint.tom.clancy Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Good point ........ He's always been MOTM and got Rave reviews every time he's played Why we bought him I'll never know:cool: I think he's done a good job when called upon, a few mishaps but then if he was perfect he wouldn't be playin in L1 would he? Great cover none the less.
LostBoys Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Source? Oh its the Echo there isn't one - wait for the Mail to pick it up tomorrow
Chez Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 (edited) I get the feeling that Pardew doesn't trust Mills in the same way he didn't trust Gillett or James. I personally like Mills, but in one or two sub appearances, Bristol Rovers especially, he came on and didn't do a job. He had a few decent games, but that rovers defeat will no doubt live in Pardews memory. I don't understand anyone that thinks signing a player better than we have is a bad move. Pardew is not going to sign a left back and totally ignore our right back requirements. What he is going to do is pick up a bloody decent left back on a tribunal fee. Brilliant move. Shoudl he want to move Mills on, there will be no shortage of takers on loan or to buy btw. Getting Molyneux off the wage bill is another matter. We could end up with Antonio, Adomah, Dawson, Dickson and Calderon all for next to nothing. Dickson is the fella that ran all the way down our left to set up their goal by the way. Also Harding will not be converted to a right back. Not a chance. Edited 19 May, 2010 by Chez
Saint_clark Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Weird. Harding is fantastic and Mills is more than capable at this level. Only reason I can see this happening is if Pardew is planning to cash in on Harding.
Saints foreva Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 He can also play left mid, we lack cover on the wings at the moment.
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 I posted on the Brentford forum and got this response: I wouldn't want Harding as a swap for Dickson to be truthful. I truly think that you'll get my drift after you see this lad play. He's strong, good in the air, fast as feck, runs all game and is a nightmare to play against. Most right wingers are in his pocket and most right backs are made to look ordinary when he's about. I don't often give high praise but he is a bit special.
Saint_clark Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Hmm, I could also say to them - I wouldn't want Dickson as a swap for Harding to be truthful. I truly think that you'll get my drift after you see this lad play. He's strong, good in the air, fast as feck, runs all game and is a nightmare to play against. Most right wingers are in his pocket and most right backs are made to look ordinary when he's about. I don't often give high praise but he is a bit special.
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Hmm, I could also say to them - I wouldn't want Dickson as a swap for Harding to be truthful. I truly think that you'll get my drift after you see this lad play. He's strong, good in the air, fast as feck, runs all game and is a nightmare to play against. Most right wingers are in his pocket and most right backs are made to look ordinary when he's about. I don't often give high praise but he is a bit special. Harding is a very good player and one I like... but he's not 'fast as feck'
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Hmm, I could also say to them - I wouldn't want Dickson as a swap for Harding to be truthful. I truly think that you'll get my drift after you see this lad play. He's strong, good in the air, fast as feck, runs all game and is a nightmare to play against. Most right wingers are in his pocket and most right backs are made to look ordinary when he's about. I don't often give high praise but he is a bit special. Just saying! I hope he can play LM as well because may be good backup for Lallana. Oh and I wouldn't say Harding is fast!
Chez Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 I posted on the Brentford forum and got this response: I wouldn't want Harding as a swap for Dickson to be truthful. I truly think that you'll get my drift after you see this lad play. He's strong, good in the air, fast as feck, runs all game and is a nightmare to play against. Most right wingers are in his pocket and most right backs are made to look ordinary when he's about. I don't often give high praise but he is a bit special. Loving that, it sounds as though Dickson is mustard, although I wonder how well they know Harding. Harding would get this description from me: He's extremely strong, a bully in fact. He's excellent in the air, quick enough and runs all game, overlapping and delivering decent crosses. He's a nightmare play against. Every right winger this season, except one, has been in his pocket. Take Lambert out of the equation and he was our player of the season. At this level he is superbe. So they sound pretty similar in terms of effectiveness. Brilliant.
Saint_clark Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Harding is a very good player and one I like... but he's not 'fast as feck' Neither was Dickson. That run he made for the goal he was at full pelt, but was no faster than Harding. I think we'd be taking an unnecessary risk getting rid of Harding and signing Dickson.
Chez Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Harding is a very good player and one I like... but he's not 'fast as feck' you are right, but equally to say most full backs were in his pocket does him a diservice as all but one were. The question is will Dickson sign without some sort of assurance that he will play week in week out? Hope so. A top notch squad will get us the title.
Chez Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 I think we'd be taking an unnecessary risk getting rid of Harding and signing Dickson. Harding's going nowhere after the season he's just had surely?
Saint_clark Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Harding's going nowhere after the season he's just had surely? I agree, but having two left backs good enough to play in the CCC seems a bit odd. One of them is gonna get p*ssed off very quick. I wouldn't be surprised to see either Dickson turn us down or, if we sign him, Harding to leave.
Bakovnetski Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Sound piece of business if we could pull it off. Fish can also play there but IMO would be better given free reign at left MF depending on form. Seabourne is a centre back with a left peg not a LB. Now all we need is Calderon and AN Other at RB.
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Brentford's local paper which has quotes. Daily Echo take note! Although not quotes saying he is going to Saints but that he is on his way from Brentford and speculation Saints are monitoring. http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-sport/west-london-brentford-fc/2010/05/19/brentford-seek-ryan-dickson-replacement-109642-26475923/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 They seem to think he can do a job at LM as well.
Chez Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Brentford's local paper which has quotes. Daily Echo take note! Although not quotes saying he is going to Saints but that he is on his way from Brentford and speculation Saints are monitoring. http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-sport/west-london-brentford-fc/2010/05/19/brentford-seek-ryan-dickson-replacement-109642-26475923/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Mills would be ideal for them.
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 May end up being a similar thing that happened with Paterson & Barnard.
John B Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 I agree, but having two left backs good enough to play in the CCC seems a bit odd. One of them is gonna get p*ssed off very quick. I wouldn't be surprised to see either Dickson turn us down or, if we sign him, Harding to leave. I agree I would have thought if we buy players they would go into the starting team I cant see the point of a LB on the bench
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 May end up being a similar thing that happened with Paterson & Barnard. But seems like a bit of a waste of money unless he will be playing LM. Mills is a perfectly good backup.
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 But seems like a bit of a waste of money unless he will be playing LM. Mills is a perfectly good backup. Without Papa Waigo and Antonio maybe Pardew wants Dickson, Lallana and Puncheon for the wide positions. I still think Antonio may come back so it would be two from Dickson, Antonio, Lallana and Puncheon for the two wide midfield roles and Dickson can cover Harding aswell.
corky morris Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Interesting. I though Mills has done a cracking job at LB when called on. I could see him pushing Harding next season. He came on at LM & was substituted last season so I am a long way from being convinced he can compete with Lallana.
Third Division South Days Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Harding's going nowhere after the season he's just had surely? A first class signing. A minor critiscism of Harding is that he has a dodgy throwin (particularly when taken quickly). He's been foul throwed on several occasions. I would think another LB would be to strengthen the squad not to replace.
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Without Papa Waigo and Antonio maybe Pardew wants Dickson, Lallana and Puncheon for the wide positions. I still think Antonio may come back so it would be two from Dickson, Antonio, Lallana and Puncheon for the two wide midfield roles and Dickson can cover Harding aswell. Now that I would agree with (IF that is Pardew's plan). Then we just need a pacy striker, a CB, two RBs and a CM and we are sorted.
Chez Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 But seems like a bit of a waste of money unless he will be playing LM. Mills is a perfectly good backup. Similar scenario happened at Wolves three sesons ago when they signed Matthew Jarvis from Gillingham when his contract expired (they agreed a fee rather going to tribunal). He didn't go straight into their side but was quite clearly an emerging talent (shame we didn't buy him when we had the chance). Look at him now. If the quality is there snap it up. I agree don't buy squad players, but do buy emerging talent.
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Lol just bet a Brentford fan a tenner that Lallana will only leave this year for an upper prem team.
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Similar scenario happened at Wolves three sesons ago when they signed Matthew Jarvis from Gillingham when his contract expired (they agreed a fee rather going to tribunal). He didn't go straight into their side but was quite clearly an emerging talent (shame we didn't buy him when we had the chance). Look at him now. If the quality is there snap it up. I agree don't buy squad players, but do buy emerging talent. Surprising that he would be happy to come here as backup when if he is as good as they say, then he would walk into most teams in this league and some in the league above.
NickG Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 http://www.griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73734&page=3
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Weird. Harding is fantastic and Mills is more than capable at this level. Only reason I can see this happening is if Pardew is planning to cash in on Harding. I hope not Dan is a cracking player, I assume as some have said Mills will be the one replaced. Having said that Mills has played well when called upon the odd mistake or bad game but you could say that about every player in the squad I reckon. Signing good quaility players is great I just can't help feeling left back is one of the least important areas that we need to strengthen at the moment.
the mick channon windmill Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 this guy is quality, i have a mate who is a season ticket holder at brentford and he has been raving about him for a while now. He also told me a couple of months ago that he knows someone in the club who has told him that a few championship clubs have been sniffing round after him but he has his heart set on signing for saints. Harding was my player of the season behind lambert and lallana last season and it would be harsh to drop him but perhaps there is room for both in the team somehow. If not the competition will do the team no harm at all and if dickson is better then get him in the team ahead of harding
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 this guy is quality, i have a mate who is a season ticket holder at brentford and he has been raving about him for a while now. He also told me a couple of months ago that he knows someone in the club who has told him that a few championship clubs have been sniffing round after him but he has his heart set on signing for saints. Harding was my player of the season behind lambert and lallana last season and it would be harsh to drop him but perhaps there is room for both in the team somehow. If not the competition will do the team no harm at all and if dickson is better then get him in the team ahead of harding I would be very disappointed in the club for their lack of loyalty if this is the case.
toofarnorth Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 He's a natural winger who Brentford have converted into a LB, so he will be able to cover both Harding and Lallana. May signal the end of Mills? And holmes
Scudamore Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 I would be very disappointed in the club for their lack of loyalty if this is the case.
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Yeah hilarious. Harding was player of the season apart from Lambert. To then dump him would be incredibly harsh. I hope he stays with us and is first choice next season.
Scudamore Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Yeah hilarious. Harding was player of the season apart from Lambert. To then dump him would be incredibly harsh. I hope he stays with us and is first choice next season. I find it pretty funny that you expect loyalty from anyone other than a fan in football yes. Also it's a squad game for god's sake...competition for spots in the team is healthy.
SFC Forever Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Quote: Originally Posted by JibMcdo He's a natural winger who Brentford have converted into a LB, so he will be able to cover both Harding and Lallana. May signal the end of Mills? If that is the case it could be a very good move.
Jackie@home Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 If this guy is the League One equivalent of Bale he could play in front of Dan. With Antonio and Papa no longer there, another option would be to play Lallana on the right on occasions, as Puncheon is inconsistent. I really don't want Harding dropped - he's been excellent this season and given his all. It's not like Dickson has proved himself at a higher level like Fonte.
david in sweden Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 There are a lot of decent facts within that report. I'm not suggesting that adds any credibility to the rumour, it just makes a nice change to read something in the press that isn't full of errors. Of course, you're right Ponty..this could be just another rumour, but he fits the pattern that I (and others) had written about earlier, namely good young players (mostly under 25), with some League experience playing in teams that they are TOO good for, are soon out of contract..or available for a small fee. Whether this one comes off or not..time will tell... but AP probably had a little note book all season with names of players who gave us a hard time when we played them... Seabourne and Puncheon (OK over 25) are already here..and a few more will doubtless follow....together with a couple of CCC players ...and as I predict AT LEAST one Prem.player.
krissyboy31 Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Yeah hilarious. Harding was player of the season apart from Lambert. To then dump him would be incredibly harsh. I hope he stays with us and is first choice next season. It would be harsh but if we are to sign somebody better (not saying this guy is but definitely has more pace) then he takes over as number one choice. That is the facts of life! If ,as we probably all agree, Harding is a decent player at this level, then if we get somebody better, we have bloody good options. Now to sort out the right-back problem!
david in sweden Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Surprising, wouldn't have thought we needed another LB. Looks that way perhaps, but IMHO we need TWO of every position ..in case of injuries, suspensions, loss of form etc....we will never know what might have happened had Murty played all season. He began so well...and that injury finished him for the season. If we have that scenario in any other position we must have good cover EVERYWHERE.
doggface Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Surprised we are looking at another LB but for me Mills has been very inconsitant. I saw him play some good games (wembley) and one or 2 shockers.
krissyboy31 Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Who? The one that run past Lloyd James at St Mary's like he wasn't there, pulled it back from the by-line to set up Brentford's equaliser.
Thedelldays Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 The one that run past Lloyd James at St Mary's like he wasn't there, pulled it back from the by-line to set up Brentford's equaliser. we were not that good then...and james is slow
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 Seabourne and Puncheon (OK over 25) are already here Over 25? Seaborne and Puncheon are 23 years old.
krissyboy31 Posted 19 May, 2010 Posted 19 May, 2010 we were not that good then...and james is slow He is, granted but it was like Usain Bolt running past Geoff Capes.
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