Professor Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 I'd be looking longer term if I were him. Dropping to CCC will put him out of the limelight anyway (and thus quash any international aspirations he may still yearn for) so, in terms of his career, it would be no less damaging to drop two leagues in the short term...IMHODon't think a player can have any international aspitrations above u-21 unless playing in the Prem. Surman could do worse than have season in DIV1 with a side that gets auto promotion, but is there any reason for Saints to prefer him against other options just because he's been here before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 (edited) Actually I wasn't having a go at Surman. I am just wondering why there is so little interest... genuinely. I'd have thought more Clubs in the CCC WOULD have been connected with him to be honest. But I guess it's only early days in the transfer window. What I'd really like to know from those with connections to Drew is would he actually come back if he was asked this summer?Not asked the question but I suspect he would. Reason for no other enquiries is that he is still under contract with Wolves and as far as I know he has not been put on the transfer list. We have a world cup just about to start and I suspect until that is over we will hear very little about transfers. Sheffield Utd we after him when he signed for Wolves so they might come back if he is to move on. I expect Pardew to do the same but wages might be a stumbling block. I do not know what Drew earnes but it is quite a bit more than he previously earned with Saints. Edited 20 May, 2010 by Weston Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 I expect Pardew to do the same but wages might be a stumbling block. I do not know what Drew earnes but it is quite a bit more than he previously earned with Saints. Not enough to break the proposed salary cap at Po***muff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Don't think a player can have any international aspitrations above u-21 unless playing in the Prem. Surman could do worse than have season in DIV1 with a side that gets auto promotion, but is there any reason for Saints to prefer him against other options just because he's been here before? I agree Prof. The problem is we are unable to debate this without knowing exactly who Alan Pardew may have in mind instead of Surman. So far Pards has both surprised and impressed me with the quality of players he has attracted, the evidence would suggest that Pardew could just as easily find someone as good if not better than Surman for his position as he did when he landed Connolly, Lambert etc. Added to the equation is the fact that no-one knows if Surman actually wants to return or if he'd prefer to move to a CCC club knocking on the door of the Premiership like Forest where a number of the players he grew up with here at Southampton are already playing. Would I like him in the squad? Yes I guess I would, he's a supporter, decent player who was certainly one of the few in the Wotte/Lowe team who was CCC quality rather than League 1 or 2 and had some potential. But, would I be be disappointed if Pardew threw up an alternative? No... because I trust Pardew's judgement given his track record thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 (edited) Not asked the question but I suspect he would. Reason for no other enquiries is that he is still under contract with Wolves and as far as I know he has not been put on the transfer list. We have a world cup just about to start and I suspect until that is over we will hear very little about transfers. Sheffield Utd we after him when he signed for Wolves so they might come back if he is to move on. I expect Pardew to do the same but wages might be a stumbling block. I do not know what Drew earnes but it is quite a bit more than he previously earned with Saints. If Pardew went for him I'd be happy. If Drew turned him down due to wages it would be understandable but damaging to his perceived image as a True Saint. To be honest, if I was Surman and Pardew came knocking, I'd jump at the chance of returning. A year in League 1 and a promotion (and who knows another JPT Trophy?) before romping through the CCC on the way to the Premiership in 2 years at his age must be attractive to anyone, especially if you are a supporter of the club. Edited 20 May, 2010 by SaintRobbie spellink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 It would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall listening to conversations between Adam Lallana and Drew during this last year. In my opinion Adam has progressed most as a footballer from actually playing, albeit two divisions lower, whilst Surman most likely earned much more. I wonder what they are recommending to each other now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 It would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall listening to conversations between Adam Lallana and Drew during this last year. In my opinion Adam has progressed most as a footballer from actually playing, albeit two divisions lower, whilst Surman most likely earned much more. I wonder what they are recommending to each other now? wasn't there a thread about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Not correct according to my contact, his father. Weston, sorry just for clarification (if you feel able) which part is incorrect: that Saints approached Wolves to take Surman on loan in Jan or that Surman turned it down because he wouldn't drop 2 divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Spoken to my Wolves contact and as far as they know there has been no contact between SFC & WWFC but his agent is hawking him about. The WWFC club secretary is on annual leave until next Friday as no transfers will be made before then, or so I've been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Weston, sorry just for clarification (if you feel able) which part is incorrect: that Saints approached Wolves to take Surman on loan in Jan or that Surman turned it down because he wouldn't drop 2 divisions?No loan approach in January so he had nothing to turn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Spoken to my Wolves contact and as far as they know there has been no contact between SFC & WWFC but his agent is hawking him about. The WWFC club secretary is on annual leave until next Friday as no transfers will be made before then, or so I've been told.I suspect nothing will happen until after the world cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsteward Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 heard a rumour that sam vokes will join on a season long loan deal for saints. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/wolverhampton_wanderers/8691542.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Would love to see Vokes here on loan. A good back-up for Rickie although if he were to join, I'd imagine Wolves would want assurances that he'd play regularly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 heard a rumour that sam vokes will join on a season long loan deal for saints. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/wolverhampton_wanderers/8691542.stm That rumour doesn't really tie in with that link though. It sounds like he's going back to try and get a first team spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 We can do better. Much better. Some people's expectations are a bit unrealistic IMO. Iwelumo would be a great signing, he is at a Prem club currently, has loads of experience and has goals in him at this level and the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 That rumour doesn't really tie in with that link though. It sounds like he's going back to try and get a first team spot. Could work in his favour, with a solid season in 2010/11 he could then be in a better position to challenge for a first team spot in 2011/12. Still only being 20 would be also be ideal for his development. May be a case of one of Jutkiewicz or Vokes on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 I don't get why people wouldn't want Surman back. I'll admit, I don't go to games as often as a lot of posters here, but Surman looked excellent in most of the games I watched him in. Also, we're at a lower level now, plus there's no doubting Surman's love for the club. I think he'd be an excellent addition to the squad and would love to see him back. I agree ...some people seem to forget that he is as much Saints as almost anyone.. we have / have had.. on staff and he was " forcibly sold " (and cheap at the price) in order to have money to pay the other players last summer (before ML / NC appeared on the scene). As others have mentioned, he's not world-class but as good as anyone we have in CM and one season in L1 ..and the prospect of better days in CCC are better than sitting on the Wolves bench...given the situation - I'm sure the clubs can come to a 50/50 deal or something of the sort. Wolves can't complain too much they " stole him" in the first place. Sign him, say I ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 How many more goals would "Super Lambo" get with Surman's driving runs and measured crosses from the by line ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 How many more goals would "Super Lambo" get with Surman's driving runs and measured crosses from the by line ? 15 No, 8 No, 34. Not sure really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 How many more goals would "Super Lambo" get with Surman's driving runs and measured crosses from the by line ? Surman doing driving runs into the box? He was by far one of the slowest players I've ever seen in a Saints shirt. That said I was always in the 'I don't rate Andrew Surman' minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Surman doing driving runs into the box? He was by far one of the slowest players I've ever seen in a Saints shirt. That said I was always in the 'I don't rate Andrew Surman' minority. He's never had 'pace', but has a good engine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 He's never had 'pace', but has a good engine though. Perhaps that's because he was working under a regime that didn't do enough with the players fitness levels? I remember hearing about a number of players leaving Saints around that time who were found out by their new club to be someway off full fitness. Kenwyne Jones was one if I remember correctly. Personally I think Surman coming to us would be a win-win situation and many would be surprised at how good he seems in comparison with some of our current players (as good as they might be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 (edited) I know someone who works at Wolves in an player admin role so I contacted them after reading the thread this morning. Surman was told last week that he could look for a new club as he wasn't required at WWFC. 8 players including Chris Iwelumo and Richard Stearman were given the same message. Make of that what you will Mr VFTT, After so many telling you were wrong thought this deserved its credit! Edited 8 June, 2010 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 We should have a hall of fame for threads where people were actually proved to be truly ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 Just seen drew about 20 mins ago near chilworth roundabout.....doesn't contribute much to this thread but I'd thought I would let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 going north or south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 Mr VFTP, After so many telling you were wrong thought this deserved its credit! VFTT surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 thank you - ty1ngd n0w coRRected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 8 June, 2010 Mr VFTT, After so many telling you were wrong thought this deserved its credit! Thank you. I don't post rumours, not my style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 going north or south? Not sure tbh,he was stood on the southbound side of Winchester road,looked like he was waiting for a lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 saints signing hitching to st marys shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 Not sure tbh,he was stood on the southbound side of Winchester road,looked like he was waiting for a lift. Blimey he only got married on Saturday and now she has thrown him out knowing she can now have half of his money. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 saints signing hitching to st marys shocker! You'd have thought if MM was so keen to get rid of him, he'd have paid the taxi fare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 He's never had 'pace', but has a good engine though. Like my Austin Metro; wouldn't want that back either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 We should have a hall of fame for threads where people were actually proved to be truly ITK. Yep, I agree. And one for people full of the brown stuff. And, my personal favorite, one where the press has made a statement and been full of ****. Mods, bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 I am always ITK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 On the mail website now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 On the mail website now. No big deal - they probably got it from here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 On the mail website now. Link mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 Link mate? Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 Link mate? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1279223/Andrew-Surman-set-Southampton-return-12-months-leaving-Wolves.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 I know Surman is a huge fan, but it's very unlikely he'll end up here! Wolves only bought him for £1M, so they would probably take a small loss on him At something like £700k I'd be very surprised if a CCC didn't take a chance on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 June, 2010 Share Posted 8 June, 2010 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1279223/Andrew-Surman-set-Southampton-return-12-months-leaving-Wolves.html That's an article from 18th May - posted on here at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 9 June, 2010 Share Posted 9 June, 2010 (edited) On SSN now - MM "accepts that Surman may leave". Still seems unlikely to me, though. Edited 9 June, 2010 by Shroppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 9 June, 2010 Share Posted 9 June, 2010 On SSN now - MM "accepts that Surman may leave". Still seems unlikely to me, though. surman set to sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 June, 2010 Share Posted 9 June, 2010 surman set to sign ITK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 June, 2010 Share Posted 9 June, 2010 surman set to sign For who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 9 June, 2010 Share Posted 9 June, 2010 ITK? I would say not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 9 June, 2010 Share Posted 9 June, 2010 I would say not! 95% certain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 9 June, 2010 Share Posted 9 June, 2010 Ok, benefit of the doubt, that will do for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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