ECHO reporting!

[Thedelldays]

yes, no-one was happy about not making playoffs, but certain factions of the media put 2+2 together and made 2.5 million! It didnt take a rocket scientist to work out the real reason why ML wasnt there but british media being british media decided it must be down to not making playoffs. I thought it was just the americans that cooked up conspiracy theories.

agree..but the solent say that what they were told is 100% true..yet not a mention about them from NC..

 

if he is angry with them..then I will assume no more merrington or even blackmore next season then...as he started all this..

[JustMike]

I have seen their response to queries on twitter and they merely say that they stick 100% what they said last Saturday as factual.

 

factual in terms of a mate of a mate that may have known someone once

[JustMike]

agree..but the solent say that what they were told is 100% true..yet not a mention about them from NC..

 

if he is angry with them..then I will assume no more merrington or even blackmore next season then...as he started all this..

 

mmm i guess we will see. will we then get our own super duper radio station back

[CanadaSaint]

I dont think the Echo should not do a story because it might upset Cortese

 

Especially as it was being discussed all over place including this forum

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22341

 

Absolutely. We need them to cover these issues - not shy away because they fear Cortese's reaction. What the hell kind of journalism would that be?

 

Using their own 'logic', the people telling the Echo to STFU shouldn't be responding to the controversy by posting pro-Pardew opinions on here, singing pro-Pardew songs, or booing Cortese at Wembley.

 

All of these things are the checks and balances that help to keep things on the straight and narrow.

 

And Cortese sees them and reads things into them just as we all do.

[Thedelldays]

mmm i guess we will see. will we then get our own super duper radio station back

if I hear blackmore on the radio at SMS for the solent next season..I will take it that the solent were correct..

[JustMike]

if I hear blackmore on the radio at SMS for the solent next season..I will take it that the solent were correct..

 

yes, correct about ML not being happy but as i said, none of us were chuffed we had missed out. Was also thinking, if the solent source was nailed on 100% why didnt they make more of a song and dance about it? from what i recall there was nothing much from solent the week after

[BARCELONASAINT]

I have seen their response to queries on twitter and they merely say that they stick 100% what they said last Saturday as factual.

 

Unless they got a quote directly from NC himself it is at best 3rd hand information which cannot be substantiated....all it is ....FACT someone told them something they could not prove one way or the other so they decided what the hell we will print this it doesn't matter we cannot prove this and it may be a load of b*llocks!!

[John B]

Unless they got a quote directly from NC himself it is at best 3rd hand information which cannot be substantiated....all it is ....FACT someone told them something they could not prove one way or the other so they decided what the hell we will print this it doesn't matter we cannot prove this and it may be a load of b*llocks!!

 

You raise an interesting point - why did SFC not answer the questions the Echo were asking to substantiate the story

[Thedelldays]

yes, correct about ML not being happy but as i said, none of us were chuffed we had missed out. Was also thinking, if the solent source was nailed on 100% why didnt they make more of a song and dance about it? from what i recall there was nothing much from solent the week after

they said it just before kick off. then spoke at HT...by then, it was all over the stadium...blackmore said he had JUST SPOKEN to someone very close to Markus (not NC) etc....

 

I then switched off after the final whistle...then it was in the paper etc..

 

Like I said..if what Blackmore has done has been made up..I fully expect him not to be covering saints at SMS next season...

 

If he is there, then........................

[John B]

they said it just before kick off. then spoke at HT...by then, it was all over the stadium...blackmore said he had JUST SPOKEN to someone very close to Markus (not NC) etc....

 

I then switched off after the final whistle...then it was in the paper etc..

 

Like I said..if what Blackmore has done has been made up..I fully expect him not to be covering saints at SMS next season...

 

If he is there, then........................

 

Although I was at the game it was not until I got home that I heard about from my brother who heard about from Siolent

[BARCELONASAINT]

You raise an interesting point - why did SFC not answer the questions the Echo were asking to substantiate the story

 

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever been in a position where you have heard people gossiping about you?...and the gossip be wide of the mark?

 

what did you do? rise above it and think "I'm better than that, i'm not even going to dignify that rubbish with a response"....or have you jumped up and down like a child demanding they retract those nasty untrue words???

 

I know what i do!!

[John B]

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever been in a position where you have heard people gossiping about you?...and the gossip be wide of the mark?

 

what did you do? rise above it and think "I'm better than that, i'm not even going to dignify that rubbish with a response"....or have you jumped up and down like a child demanding they retract those nasty untrue words???

 

I know what i do!!

 

Well there you go

 

Often however Organisations do clarify the situation

[Avenue Saint]

i think its fair to say echo have fallen in a lot of peoples estimations in recent times.

[St Marco]

You raise an interesting point - why did SFC not answer the questions the Echo were asking to substantiate the story

 

Why should they answer it? I think this is a key point to this whole thing.

The defence of The Echo has been along the lines of "Well if NC said something earlier it would not have got to the point it did". Which is 100% right.

 

However the only reason it got to the point it did was by The Echo running a story that they actually did not know was true or not. When they pressed the print button the editor knew that it was ******** what they were reporting. They knew they had no evidence to support their view. All they had was a misinterpretation of NC words a few months previous where he said he wanted to reach the playoffs. They spun their negative web on those words such is how media works.

 

The Echo ran with the story and because NC has said nothing they acted as if it was true, that silence must mean they were right. When really all it was, was NC not wanting to talk to them. If someone had been talking crap about you around town would you want to answer questions for them if they knock on your door oneday? Obviously not, you would ignore them.

The Echo acted like some national paper making up their own minds based on the back of nothing but speculation. Which as we now know was speculation they created themselves.

 

What i find damning is their tone in their articles around this issue. They were like out for blood, as much negative info as they could get in there.

Soon as the truth came out and we learn Pardew was staying they had no emotion in their report, none of the venom of which they had used in the previous day's. They did not sound happy he was staying.

[Saint Fan CaM]

For the record, I've just sent the Mail Online a broadside for this rubbish...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1278237/Take-Southampton-season-job-safe-Alan-Pardew-told.html?ITO=1490

[John B]

For the record, I've just sent the Mail Online a broadside for this rubbish...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1278237/Take-Southampton-season-job-safe-Alan-Pardew-told.html?ITO=1490

 

So Pardew will still be here if we are in League 1 at the end of next season

[Thedelldays]

So Pardew will still be here if we are in League 1 at the end of next season

I would confidently say NOT

[Gingeletiss]

You raise an interesting point - why did SFC not answer the questions the Echo were asking to substantiate the story

 

You know John, you're like a faulty tap, you keep dripping on. You have a style akin to a certain Miserableoldgit, who also went on like you do, regardless of the reply's.

 

Why should SFC respond to every poxy rumour, one I hasten to add, that you perpetuated no end. Read NC reply again, if they were to do so, they'd never get any real work done. Face it, the Echo, along with the Mail the BBC, and several posters on here, were bang out of order, and well wide of the mark.

[John B]

Why should they answer it? I think this is a key point to this whole thing.

The defence of The Echo has been along the lines of "Well if NC said something earlier it would not have got to the point it did". Which is 100% right.

 

However the only reason it got to the point it did was by The Echo running a story that they actually did not know was true or not. When they pressed the print button the editor knew that it was ******** what they were reporting. They knew they had no evidence to support their view. All they had was a misinterpretation of NC words a few months previous where he said he wanted to reach the playoffs. They spun their negative web on those words such is how media works.

 

The Echo ran with the story and because NC has said nothing they acted as if it was true, that silence must mean they were right. When really all it was, was NC not wanting to talk to them. If someone had been talking crap about you around town would you want to answer questions for them if they knock on your door oneday? Obviously not, you would ignore them.

The Echo acted like some national paper making up their own minds based on the back of nothing but speculation. Which as we now know was speculation they created themselves.

 

What i find damning is their tone in their articles around this issue. They were like out for blood, as much negative info as they could get in there.

Soon as the truth came out and we learn Pardew was staying they had no emotion in their report, none of the venom of which they had used in the previous day's. They did not sound happy he was staying.

 

Well I think we will have to differ

 

I think SFC should have been more forthcoming but you dont

 

By not coming out and supporting Pardew earlier perhaps SFC has left a very slight impression that there was something in the rumours.

 

I follow Politics quite closely where what is important is not what is not said but what is not said

[stevegrant]

Why should SFC respond to every poxy rumour

I'm intrigued as to what you would consider a major enough rumour that the club should respond to...

[hoozonside10]

For the record, I've just sent the Mail Online a broadside for this rubbish...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1278237/Take-Southampton-season-job-safe-Alan-Pardew-told.html?ITO=1490

 

 

I bet it doesn't get published. At least the Echo publish the negative comments. I let rip at the Daily Mail on their online story/fabrication - funnily enough it didn't get published, yet on here

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1277623/Alan-Pardew-faces-Southampton-sack-club-line-Steve-Cotterill-replacement.html

 

Pretty much all the comments published are anti SFC club comments (ie other clubs fans saying we must be mad etc..)

 

The Echo may be sad, but the Mail just stinks and is a filthy rag - at least the red tops are honest about what they are and aren't ashamed about it.

[krissyboy31]

I bet it doesn't get published. At least the Echo publish the negative comments. I let rip at the Daily Mail on their online story/fabrication - funnily enough it didn't get published, yet on here

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1277623/Alan-Pardew-faces-Southampton-sack-club-line-Steve-Cotterill-replacement.html

 

Pretty much all the comments published are anti SFC club comments (ie other clubs fans saying we must be mad etc..)

 

The Echo may be sad, but the Mail just stinks and is a filthy rag - at least the red tops are honest about what they are and aren't ashamed about it.

Yes, I did with Sales column yesterday. That never got published either! More likely to get a disparaging remark published of Pravda than the Daily Fail!!

[Gingeletiss]

I'm intrigued as to what you would consider a major enough rumour that the club should respond to...

 

We've had players going to Celtic, manager going to Celtic, Manager being sacked, discord between Chairman and Manager.

 

Come on Steve, NC is right, if he had to defend his position on every little bit of tittle tattle, then he'd be slated on here for being to in our face.

[Thedelldays]

We've had players going to Celtic, manager going to Celtic, Manager being sacked, discord between Chairman and Manager.

 

Come on Steve, NC is right, if he had to defend his position on every little bit of tittle tattle, then he'd be slated on here for being to in our face.

this was different..this started by someone who is contrated/associated with the club..and they maintain that what they were told is correct..

[John B]

You know John, you're like a faulty tap, you keep dripping on. You have a style akin to a certain Miserableoldgit, who also went on like you do, regardless of the reply's.

 

Why should SFC respond to every poxy rumour, one I hasten to add, that you perpetuated no end. Read NC reply again, if they were to do so, they'd never get any real work done. Face it, the Echo, along with the Mail the BBC, and several posters on here, were bang out of order, and well wide of the mark.

 

Ok you think there was nothing in the rumours I dont know maybe maybe not

 

All I know is that Pardew is still manager which I fully expected as he has done a good job and sacking him would have been a PR disaster.

 

NC does not seem to realise how the UK press works which is probably not surprising really but I think he should do something to accomodate them.

 

 

Of course he should not answer every rumour but there are other people in the club who could liase with the press to point them in the right direction instead of having a confrontational stance.

[aintforever]

This whole thing is a storm in a tea cup, the Echo have the right to report what they want, le Tiss and Big Mac have every right to comment on speculation and Cortese can say what he likes - it just doesn't really matter.

 

One thing though, if Cortese is serious about getting us to the prem then he had better get used to press specualtion, at the moment he hasn't experiences 1% of what Lowe had to go through and he never banned the Echo once.

[up and away]

Ok you think there was nothing in the rumours I dont know maybe maybe not

 

All I know is that Pardew is still manager which I fully expected as he has done a good job and sacking him would have been a PR disaster.

 

NC does not seem to realise how the UK press works which is probably not surprising really but I think he should do something to accomodate them.

 

 

Of course he should not answer every rumour but there are other people in the club who could liase with the press to point them in the right direction instead of having a confrontational stance.

 

I would not argue that there was something behind these rumours, but I am fairly sure no one has the ear of Cortese. Just because Cortese reviews all his options does not mean he is going to take up any of those other options. In time I expect us all to get used to Cortese just giving the odd couple of interviews per season and hopefully the rest will take care of itself.

 

If the Echo think Cortese will change his mind over editorial pressure, I just do not see that happening. You may well be able to highlight points that indicate Cortese has changed his mind, but without him coming straight out and stating that was his intention, it's all ****ing in the wind.

 

As for Alan Blackmore, I don't believe there will be any vendetta against him, he's pretty genuine. First he was sure, then unsure, then sure again but I believe what he says. What I am unsure about is the interpretation given to him.

[djharvey]

I'm intrigued as to what you would consider a major enough rumour that the club should respond to...

 

How about you make one up, contact the echo and solent, let them create a right old fuss about it, and we will see if the club respond!

 

NO, thought not!

 

I would just prefer the local press to invetsigate rumours but then report on fact!

[LostBoys]

This is purely down to very poor quality journalism on both the radio and Echo. I do not see why the club should respond to this rubbish and certainly not comment on the Mail. The club has said all information will be published on the OS first and of course this sidelines Solent and the Echo. Shame

[SaintRobbie]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8163607.Cortese_hits_out_at_Saints_legends/?ref=rss

 

still criticising Cortese but look at the comments after - on their site!

 

Brilliant comments from real fans. Keep pasting the Echo every time they publish negative stuff! Time to get behind the team.

 

A formal apology from the Echo would be nice.

[Thedelldays]

NC has it made...any sticky patches we have from now on, all he has to do is mention the Echo in a bad way and the fans will just do the work for him

[SaintRobbie]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22535

 

Have to say mods... I think the above warrants a thread in its own right. Separate debating point that singles out individuals rather than the Echo as a whole. I think it should be re-instated.

[djharvey]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22535

 

Have to say mods... I think the above warrants a thread in its own right. Separate debating point that singles out individuals rather than the Echo as a whole. I think it should be re-instated.

 

Bravo!:-)

[miserableoldgit]

NC has it made...any sticky patches we have from now on, all he has to do is mention the Echo in a bad way and the fans will just do the work for him

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn`t.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

The print is an incestuous business and it would be a miracle if Charlie Sale (Daily Hate) did not know the Echo editor. With both knowing a certain ex Southampton Board member I'd think there is enough fuel for some mischief making.

[SFC Forever]

Radio Solent were the ones who 'broke' the news, they should be getting it in the neck.

 

 

 

And their source which was supposedly very close to Markus was probably a journo from the Echo

[SaintRobbie]

I hear we're all hooligans now.... is that right?

 

Daily Echo sports editor been to the Rupert Lowe school of fan management?

[Al de Man]

I took this photo at SMS today. It's safe to say that the football club still hold a grudge.

 

[Saint_clark]

That is genius Al, is that for real?

[stmusicdude]

agree..but the solent say that what they were told is 100% true..yet not a mention about them from NC..

 

if he is angry with them..then I will assume no more merrington or even blackmore next season then...as he started all this..

 

didn't realise NC & ML ran the BBC

[sadoldgit]

I'd be very worried if the local newspaper was in the pocket of the club/CEO. The club has its own websire and matchday programme and can publish wht it wants. The newspaper should refelct the issues and concerns of the supporters rather than spoon feed them nice morsals of spin.

 

Both Lowe and Coretese fell out with the Echo which is probably a healthy thing = shows that they are not going to bend up and drop 'em.

 

Some of the stories will b unhelpful but don't they ask the same things that we do on here? Isn't that there job? ASk difficult qiestions. If the club then chose not to respond people can draw their own conclusions. If they draw the wrong conclusions the club have had an opportunity to put that right.

 

Take the recent debacle about Pardew's job. It came about because of Cortese's lack of public support for the manager - not because the Echo was mischief making. All he had to do was to congratulate Pardew on the cup win an say that he would be working with him to ensure promotion next season but no, he only came out and said something once the world and his dog were parading their support for the manager. His statement when it came was not great either. Hitting out at Saints legends when you were the making of the whole mess isn't going to win you many friends unless you are in the minority who want Pardew out.

[Thedelldays]

 

Take the recent debacle about Pardew's job. It came about because of Cortese's lack of public support for the manager - not because the Echo was mischief making. All he had to do was to congratulate Pardew on the cup win an say that he would be working with him to ensure promotion next season but no, he only came out and said something once the world and his dog were parading their support for the manager. His statement when it came was not great either. Hitting out at Saints legends when you were the making of the whole mess isn't going to win you many friends unless you are in the minority who want Pardew out.

you really have no idea..

 

public support...what was that, 10th highest spenders in the whole country..despite being in division 3....

 

nope, no sign of support there

[miserableoldgit]

Sog = 19c?

[John B]

Sog = 19c?

 

No

 

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[Crispypie]

With respect guys,

 

what ever you think about what NC should or should not say if there is one thing that stands out above all this season, its if there is a story that NC doesnt like and feels he doesnt need to lower himself to respond to then he wont! However we think the press works or the media "needs to be on his side" he seems to be doing pretty well without it.

 

I dont think this will change any time soon so we will have to get over it, sorry!

 

C.

[Clifford Nelson]

I have got no connection with the Echo, so no axe to grind. But I am convinced that the day newspapers, whether we like their reporting or not, stop reporting what they think are news, and start bowing and scraping at anybody's door, then this nation will be in a perilous state.

 

I'm somewhat worried that the idea of a free press seems to be an oddity to NC, because the press on the continent behave in much the same way as ours in relation to news.

[captainchris]

I have just e-mailed the ECHO asking them to address the poor reporting that has eminated from them. I have stated that they should be supporting OUR local club and not undermining them.

They have lost credibility and numerous readers.

Here' my message:

 

Mr Murray,

 

Please can you urgently look into the saga that has been unfolding between OUR local team SAINTS and the poor reporting that seems to be eminating from the ECHO.

I really am fed up with the negative rumours that seem to want to undermine the club and supporters of OUR club.

Surely you will sell more papers by giving good honest facts in tandem with OUR club.

It is clear to the vast majority of supporters that there has been poor reporting and Mr Cortese will not allow you to put the clubs prospects in jeopardy.

 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE sort out this depressing situation. The ECHO is losing credibility & readers.

 

 

E-mail them today, they need to hear us! newsdesk@dailyecho.co.uk

 

I'm very sorry but I don't agree with tethering the Echo reporting to what Mr Cortese wants. Even Lowe didn't try to do this and the Echo virtually put every log they they had on the fire to stoke up anti Lowe rhetoric.

 

The new owners are doing some great things for the club but the anti Echo stance is not one of them. Is sensoring the press really ever a good thing - no, very rarely....

 

One other thing about the new owners, the corporate facilities are nothing short of dreadful. Plastic glasses for an evening event I recently attended there - quite unbelievable - apparently they deem it too dangerous to give people glasses in the Le Tissier suite.........

 

Soooo.......Good stuff on the pitch but other things ........not particularly good at all!

[Victor]

Dear Reader,

 

Thank you for your comments and concerns.

 

In common with all media channels in the UK, the Echo is a cynical beast that reflects the nasty suspicious circle of news reporting spawned by Alistair Campbell over the past 13 years.

 

Spin and counter spin sell papers, you should know that. Nobody buys papers that print good news and even when they do, such is their own sense of distrust that they would prefer to believe the bad than good.

 

We can't help that for more than a decade you have been treated as a moron by the incumbent government who have removed your personal liberty, responsibility and undermined your own good judgement.

 

However, with the dawn of a new era of optimism, perhaps we can all look forward with open minds and unity? If it sells any papers, we'll let you know.

 

Kind regards

Daily Echo Editor

 

 

You don't think there'll be any spin on the £6billion cuts to be announced today, or that the expression 'efficiency savings' is not spin?

 

And spin is not exclusive to whatever government is in power - Daily Mail, Sun, ITN, The Saints OS, Simon Cowell (no, it is not 'unbelievable' that an 81-year-old lady can sing and get most of the notes right) et al..

 

If you think the government treat you like a moron and let them treat you like a moron, you are a moron. Try keeping your eyes and ears open, get out more and then make your own mind up.

[miserableoldgit]

No

 

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TBF I was thinking in more of a "Brothers in Arms" sort of way.

[SaintRichmond]

I'm very sorry but I don't agree with tethering the Echo reporting to what Mr Cortese wants. Even Lowe didn't try to do this and the Echo virtually put every log they they had on the fire to stoke up anti Lowe rhetoric.

 

The new owners are doing some great things for the club but the anti Echo stance is not one of them. Is sensoring the press really ever a good thing - no, very rarely....

 

One other thing about the new owners, the corporate facilities are nothing short of dreadful. Plastic glasses for an evening event I recently attended there - quite unbelievable - apparently they deem it too dangerous to give people glasses in the Le Tissier suite.........

 

Soooo.......Good stuff on the pitch but other things ........not particularly good at all!

 

Agreed, a poor show from a supposed "Professional" outfit

 

It may change once they have sorted the "In House" catering situation

 

However, should anyone conected with the Heirarchy at SMS be viewing this site ...

 

I know of Three Pubs, One in the City, and Two on the outskirts, who went down the road of Plastic glasses

 

In each case, the Punters voted with their feet and stayed away

 

All three of them have reverted back to REAL glasses:cool: