capitalsaint Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 No doubt the club have already decided and Gecko obviously knows what he's doing but a few alternatives to add to the fun... Uploaded with ImageShack.us top right for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 (edited) What I'd like to know, pardon my ignorance, is what happened to the two red roses from the early badges? Oddly enough the City Coat of Arms (granted 1575, but originating in 13th century) has two white roses above one red rose, which seems to give some precedence to the House of Lancaster over the House of York. Perhaps someone could illuminate why the reversal occurred? Also, if we we are going to have a nostalgic re-run of an original shirt, should we not have a badge on it that matches that style and sentiment? The one we have currently is only fitting for the era of ball-choking shorts and curly perms. IMO of course. Edited 18 May, 2010 by hughieslastminutegoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Anyone got the know how to create a petition online that we can forward onto the relevant people? Some may argue its not worth whinging about but in this special year it would be good to get it right..... rather than absolutely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Anyone got the know how to create a petition online that we can forward onto the relevant people? Some may argue its not worth whinging about but in this special year it would be good to get it right..... rather than absolutely wrong. I fear it will be too late for this year as I expect the kit will be in production now. Worth a try though and even if it's too late for this year why not celebrate the start of the Liebherr era with a new permanent crest from 2011-2012. At they very least it should ensure that whoever designed the new badge is not commissioned again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Just for comparison here is what Leicester City did for their 125 year anniversary in 2009/10... Link to article - http://www.lcfc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10274~1638227,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 That is rubbish too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 I fear it will be too late for this year as I expect the kit will be in production now. Worth a try though and even if it's too late for this year why not celebrate the start of the Liebherr era with a new permanent crest from 2011-2012. At they very least it should ensure that whoever designed the new badge is not commissioned again in the future. Absolutely. The least they could have done is come up with a few choices and have a poll on the OS to let people choose. Better still run a competition to let fans design one in which case GS's contribution would have won no doubt. Afterall the new owners did say they wanted to connect with the fans more...:cool: Like you say, a petition will show to them that this does matter to us and in future we'd like a say if possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Just for comparison here is what Leicester City did for their 125 year anniversary in 2009/10... Link to article - http://www.lcfc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10274~1638227,00.html That is rubbish too. It is..... but at least they drew the line at giving the fox a red nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Absolutely. The least they could have done is come up with a few choices and have a poll on the OS to let people choose. Better still run a competition to let fans design one in which case GS's contribution would have won no doubt. Afterall the new owners did say they wanted to connect with the fans more...:cool: Like you say, a petition will show to them that this does matter to us and in future we'd like a say if possible... I'm not necessarily one for plebiscites on these things. Online votes can be maliciously skewed. Perhaps a postal ballot with each ST holder having one vote would be fair - no chance for disinterested parties to mess with the result then. Having said that, that would be costly and time consuming. I just wish they had come up with an effort which didn't look as though a distinct lack of ideas beyond "colour the edge gold and stick the dates on" has lead them to plonking a tokenistic and gormless red blod with "125" slap bang in the middle of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 A final thought for now, in the interest of fairness... we have not seen where this badge sits on the new kit; if it is against a red background then the blob might not look so bad. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 (edited) I'm not necessarily one for plebiscites on these things. Online votes can be maliciously skewed. Perhaps a postal ballot with each ST holder having one vote would be fair - no chance for disinterested parties to mess with the result then. Having said that, that would be costly and time consuming. I just wish they had come up with an effort which didn't look as though a distinct lack of ideas beyond "colour the edge gold and stick the dates on" has lead them to plonking a tokenistic and gormless red blod with "125" slap bang in the middle of it. Yep, an online poll would be a terrible idea. It could be influenced by non Saints fans, or more to the point Pompey fans. Also the public has in general poor taste and shouldn't be trusted to make decisions. Edited 18 May, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 I'm not necessarily one for plebiscites on these things. Online votes can be maliciously skewed. Perhaps a postal ballot with each ST holder having one vote would be fair - no chance for disinterested parties to mess with the result then. Having said that, that would be costly and time consuming. I just wish they had come up with an effort which didn't look as though a distinct lack of ideas beyond "colour the edge gold and stick the dates on" has lead them to plonking a tokenistic and gormless red blod with "125" slap bang in the middle of it. A final thought for now, in the interest of fairness... we have not seen where this badge sits on the new kit; if it is against a red background then the blob might not look so bad. Fingers crossed. True true. it just comes across that it didnt really mean much when the colouring in department were redesigning it. I hope you're right about it sitting right on the red sash .... although Im not sure the retro look and a cartoon badge will go together.... time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Yep, an online poll would be a terrible idea. It could be influenced by non Saints fans. Also the public has in general poor taste and shouldn't be trusted to make decisions. Twas just an idea. We'll just have to wait (and cringe) whenever anything like this comes up again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 all that needs to change in the badge is the lottery ball 125. I cannot believe the club are going to run with this overpowering errorr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 all that needs to change in the badge is the lottery ball 125. I cannot believe the club are going to run with this overpowering errorr. Too late anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 (edited) top right for me For me too but I'd make the crown bigger and have a halo around/over it. I wouldn't be adverse to keeping the waves between the top and bottom roses though. Edited 18 May, 2010 by krissyboy31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 My two penneth as someone who has spent a life in marketing... 1. Design is subjective. One man's Olympic logo is another man's turd. 2. The designer often doesn't get what he wanted or intended due to a client thinking they know best and disastrously altering a concept. 3. It's not always easy to judge something in one medium (print/screen) when it is intended for another (embroidery) - simple things like colours cannot be replicated in different media exactly. 4. Something new is always difficult to accept. People say 'why can't we have a logo like Coca Cola'. You can, just go back 100 years, design it and then spend billions of dollars promoting it... 5. Never ask the public for a concensus. The public don't know what works and doesn't in design terms, just what they 'like'. As an example, who would have thought an orange square was a good brand for a telephone company... And who would have voted for it? 6. Personally, I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Seems similar to this in many ways What they should have gone with What they ended up with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Another graphic designer here, I can't really avoid adding my versions... I'm not a big fan of logos that have too many icons contained within them, so I've tried to simplify it a bit. I'm a big fan of the 60s crest, so I've updated that idea: I've also incorporated that into a slightly altered version of the current one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 good efforts Roo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 I think i would have roo's golden ball lining and number on the planned crest instead of the bingo ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 18 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 18 May, 2010 No doubt the club have already decided and Gecko obviously knows what he's doing but a few alternatives to add to the fun... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Top Left for me! Soo much nicer than our current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Loving the second one Roo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 Another graphic designer here, I can't really avoid adding my versions... I'm not a big fan of logos that have too many icons contained within them, so I've tried to simplify it a bit. I'm a big fan of the 60s crest, so I've updated that idea: I've also incorporated that into a slightly altered version of the current one: Number 2 looks right, not sure about the font of 125 but at least it's a football not a bloody bingo ball or over-inflated snooker ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 IMO Gecko's is just a bit too busy for a complete redesign. Today's design culture demands we strip back to the bear bones what a brand or in this case a foortball club is about and start from there. The Cherrie's badge does it well IMO. It's football and they play in red, the use of the Soviet style hero and it's lacking of fuss is refreshing. Same goes for the Arsenal redesign. So what does Saints mean to us. Let's start with what's been associated in the past and see if they themselves work.... Water Red/White roses Bargate New Forest/Oak tree Shipping R&W Scarf Halo Football Wreath Crown Lions Justice R&W Stripes and a Bascinet (helmet) any of those of interest as a single signifier to help today's graphic designer streamline our badge? Is there anything else to ad to the list that says Southampton? Not much I'd say. It's bloody hard and you have to wonder who in their right mind would come up with the red nose. The more I see it, the more I have to check the calender to see April 1st has gone or start worrying myself with thoughts of a conspiracy within the club. Can someone put the 125 red nose on the original Ted Bates statue, come up with some pithy quote and proffer it up as something we can all email to the club letting them know of our dislike for the abomination they see fit to put upon us. One last thing, the Forest badge along with the adidas numbering on the back of their shirts (and pretty much all the 74/78 world cup squads) are a pair of design classics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 Can someone put the 125 red nose on the original Ted Bates statue, come up with some pithy quote and proffer it up as something we can all email to the club letting them know of our dislike for the abomination they see fit to put upon us. Here's the first part at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 IMO Gecko's is just a bit too busy for a complete redesign. Today's design culture demands we strip back to the bear bones what a brand or in this case a foortball club is about and start from there. The more I look at some of these ideas the more I would like to see us go back to the 60s crest we shared with the city, a less fussy design. I'd go something like... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 That reminds me of Sheffield United's badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 Another graphic designer here, I can't really avoid adding my versions... I'm not a big fan of logos that have too many icons contained within them, so I've tried to simplify it a bit. I'm a big fan of the 60s crest, so I've updated that idea: I've also incorporated that into a slightly altered version of the current one: The way you've put the 125 in the ball works much better than the red blob one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 can someone put roo's 'golden ball' on the planned one and seen what people think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 I'd agree that Gecko's design is a little too fussy: I'm not sure about the crown or the wreath, neither of which have strong associations with Saints. I'd like to keep the scarf as it represents us, the supporters, who are the most important element to the club. The red nose of the new one is definetely a NO, however. It really is nothing more than a plain background to show off the 125. Ain't it great we're having a reasoned discussion about the club crest? One look at the Pimply Takeover thread is enough to make anyone shudder at the memory of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 19 May, 2010 Share Posted 19 May, 2010 can someone put roo's 'golden ball' on the planned one and seen what people think Uploaded with ImageShack.us Improves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Uploaded with ImageShack.us Improves it. Thank you and that does look less in your face as the bingo ball. I would probably tweak that slightly and have a black edge to the halo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 The more I look at some of these ideas the more I would like to see us go back to the 60s crest we shared with the city, a less fussy design. I'd go something like... Uploaded with ImageShack.us ummm, that rocks. I think you've utilised the element of stripping it to the bear bones and utilising the one element that has always been southampton, ie the roses, and come up trumps. maybe the claim of Sheffield Utd is because of the prominence of black and the Saints at the bottom maybe too much.....it's the best yet though .........IMHO BTW how would you update it for the years past the 125th anniversary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 BTW how would you update it for the years past the 125th anniversary? Est. 1885 . Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Est. 1885 . Just a thought. granted, I was thinking more about the layout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Uploaded with ImageShack.us Improves it. That's much better than the thunderball version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 May, 2010 Share Posted 20 May, 2010 Just remember that when settling on the design the tattooist will need to be able to modify his previous work. All I want is 125 under the existing badge. Then next year I can get "Lambretta GT" put in front of it. One has to plan ahead...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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