Club 'transparency' worse than ever?

[Matthew Le God]

So you were wrong then to say it was The Mail and all others were rehashing....that ounce of common sense didn't stretch that far then!

 

He stated FYI that his source was an insider within the club......as a researcher you should know that you don't always give away contacts names do you.

 

I hope it is all rubbish and Pardew gets to stay I think he deserves it.

 

The Daily Mail rumours predate the BBC Solent reports after the Southend game.

 

The Solent reports add what to the original rumour?

 

Nothing except a suggestion Liebherr not being there may be due to him being upset. At no point did they raise the point it may have been impossible for Liebherr to get home from the game.

[StuRomseySaint]

Ooo-Er the 'Happy Clappers' TM are revolting:rolleyes:

 

I think Happy Clappers are pretty disgusting too.

[Smirking_Saint]

I am having a slow work day, Southampton are the only team out of the current League 1 who do not have season tickets on sale, Huddersfield, Millwall and Charlton all have theirs on sale.

 

As I said, we are the only club not to have them on sale at the moment. There may well be a reason for this, but as customers, we deserve to know why.

 

I think you find you are wrong,

 

MLG is the SI FM guru and so has more knowledge than god himself.

 

If he has spoken it must be true

[stevegrant]

Adam Blackmore is clearly a fool for suggesting Liebherr wasn't their because he was upset. He clearly didn't look any deeper as to other possible reason why a man that lives in Switzerland may not be at the stadium when it was expected that air space would be closed close to the game ending.

You really have no idea how the media works.

 

Why do you think Solent have been first with the vast majority of Saints-related news since the takeover? Blackmore is very pally with Cortese (some may argue that if Cortese told him to jump, he'd ask how high) and as a result gets first scoop on all the news.

[swannymere]

I think Happy Clappers are pretty disgusting too.

 

You're turning into one Stu, what's with the need to know everything? It's like your having withdrawal symptoms! FFS it's not that long 'til the World Cup GET A GRIP MAN.

[Matthew Le God]

You really have no idea how the media works.

 

Blackmore wasn't sure in his suggestion that the reason was that Liebherr was upset. He said it was a possible reason. Surely a man with good connections would be a little more sure. He ignored any other possible reason such as flight restrictions. Or maybe his source either isn't a good one or is not telling him everything.

[StuRomseySaint]

You're turning into one Stu, what's with the need to know everything? It's like your having withdrawal symptoms! FFS it's not that long 'til the World Cup GET A GRIP MAN.

 

I want my f*cking season ticket...

 

That is all.

[dune]

You're turning into one Stu, what's with the need to know everything? It's like your having withdrawal symptoms! FFS it's not that long 'til the World Cup GET A GRIP MAN.

 

I've long thought Stuey wanted to be Nick Illingsworth.

[Matthew Le God]

An interesting choice of story from the OS today...

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2050176,00.html

[StuRomseySaint]

You're all a bunch of c*nts.

 

Happy Clappy, Student and Nick Illingsworth in one thread?

 

Please lock this pile of sh!t.

[Give it to Ron]

The Daily Mail rumours predate the BBC Solent reports after the Southend game.

 

The Solent reports add what to the original rumour?

 

.

 

That there is a meeting today to decide Pardews future.

[Matthew Le God]

That there is a meeting today to decide Pardews future.

 

Again he wasn't 100% about that. Surely if he trusted his source he'd sound a little more confident?

[Toadhall Saint]

An interesting choice of story from the OS today...

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2050176,00.html

 

Interesting that they have a "programme to follow" - I'm assuming Pards has given them the said programme?

[Matthew Le God]

Interesting that they have a "programme to follow" - I'm assuming Pards has given them the said programme?

 

More likely to be Nick Harvey the fitness coach. Though perhaps in conjunction with Pardew.

[JRM]

Look, I understand that Saints supporters are a speculative lot. Let's face it, the years of Lowe and Co, didn't and don't exactly make for calm environment training. But people need to cool down a bit. The news will come out, as it will, when the time is right for it to come out. Do you think it'll be any different or better just because it comes out a day or two earlier..?

 

That wasn't my point.

The whole communications nature of the club is all wrong at the moment and gives an impression of paranoia that they want to keep things secret.

 

My point regarding season tickets was a more general observation, we have potential for a larger season ticket fanbase, we have had great opportunities to advertise season tickets like the 50k at Wembley and thousands of hits the official site would have had around then.

If they put them on sale at the start of June it is hardly going to capture the attention of those not looking our for details.

And doing a mailing is not as effective marketing as having your customers infront of you, like we had for games in the run in to the season.

[shurlock]

OP - total rubbish.

 

We live in such a kneejerk media culture that Im glad the club isnt spinning and fobbing us off with instant updates that play the transparency card but are really nothing of the sort.

 

Obviously real transparency is better than no transparency but if you think the 'transparency' that is passed off in today's media is nothing but manipulation that adds to the murk and is playing the reader, you're a naive fool.

 

Im glad that Cortese doesnt feel the need to stoop to Lowe-type stunts or have his hand forced by agenda-pushing, profit-chasing opportunists like the Mail or the Echo.

Edited 12 May, 2010 by shurlock

[Saint_clark]

If there is no announcement at all by the end of today, can we assume that there wasn't a meeting after all?

[alpine_saint]

Now when NC took over I thought that the club was in the right hands, he seemed a shrewd character, he took no sh!t but also he seemed to look after the clubs fans.

 

Now, we are fast approaching June and the club have not released prices of Season Tickets, I believe this is going to prove a massive mistake, especially if, as expected Cortese sacks Pardew... as regardless of who is the new manager, the 'feel-good' factor will be wiped out.

 

The club have done nothing to come forward and confirm or deny rumours as to why the club pulled the football programmes on Saturday, if it was an innocent reason, it would have not taken much to give the reasons... I have spoke to a few people who have looked through the programme and none can find an obvious reason in the programme.

 

We have not had any sort of statement from Marcus Liebherr... a simple statement on his thoughts about the season would have done so much for good PR.

 

The club have not stepped forward and rubbished any rumours so far this year.

 

I do not know of a single person who has recieved a personal reply from Cortese about any issues, it seems everything is passed on to Dave Luker. Say what you like about Lowe, he did take time to engage with fans, and if he didn't, he passed it on to Cowan.

 

I can't help feeling that the club is less transparent than when Lowe was in charge... and NO that doesn't mean I am calling for Saints Trust to reform.

 

The club is no longer a plc, its a private venture.

 

What do you expect, exactly ? ML, and NC as his appointed CEO, can do what the hell they want.

[Give it to Ron]

Just appeared on Twitter:

 

solentsport

 

Stories of a meeting today between #saintsfc chairman Nicola Cortese and Alan Pardew are wide of the mark.

[Scummer]

Just appeared on Twitter:

 

solentsport

 

Stories of a meeting today between #saintsfc chairman Nicola Cortese and Alan Pardew are wide of the mark.

 

Aren't they stories that Solent themselves started?

[Thedelldays]

Just appeared on Twitter:

 

solentsport

 

Stories of a meeting today between #saintsfc chairman Nicola Cortese and Alan Pardew are wide of the mark.

Looks like they have kissed and made up then

 

Or NC is just carrying on with his line of not responding to speculation

[S-Clarke]

Aren't they stories that Solent themselves started?

 

don't think so - i only remember it being announced on the FL Show on saturday night.

[trousers]

An interesting choice of story from the OS today...

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2050176,00.html

 

Can anyone translate the last paragraph in that piece for me:

 

"Then I will be back for pre-season which will be a bit of a nightmare for everyone, but we will get through it and be ready for the start of the new season. We have a programme to follow and we will need to do that, otherwise we will be found out."

 

Thanks

[dune]

Can anyone translate the last paragraph in that piece for me:

 

"Then I will be back for pre-season which will be a bit of a nightmare for everyone, but we will get through it and be ready for the start of the new season. We have a programme to follow and we will need to do that, otherwise we will be found out."

 

Thanks

 

Translation: Then I will be back for pre-season which will be tough with a new manager to impress, but we will get through it and be ready for the start of the new season. We have a programme to follow and we will need to do that, otherwise we will be found out

[capitalsaint]

Can anyone translate the last paragraph in that piece for me:

 

"Then I will be back for pre-season which will be a bit of a nightmare for everyone, but we will get through it and be ready for the start of the new season. We have a programme to follow and we will need to do that, otherwise we will be found out."

 

Thanks

 

it will be a nightmare because of all the fitness and running they'll have to do, if they don't follow the fitness plan throughout the summer they'll be found out either by the coaches who notice they're looking fat and can't run, or by opposing teams who are fitter.

[Scummer]

Can anyone translate the last paragraph in that piece for me:

 

"Then I will be back for pre-season which will be a bit of a nightmare for everyone, but we will get through it and be ready for the start of the new season. We have a programme to follow and we will need to do that, otherwise we will be found out."

 

Thanks

 

They are going to be worked f'ing hard in pre-season. They have a training/fitness programme which they have to follow, and if they don't then it'll be another slow start in the league.

[View From The Top]

Can anyone translate the last paragraph in that piece for me:

 

"Then I will be back for pre-season which will be a bit of a nightmare for everyone, but we will get through it and be ready for the start of the new season. We have a programme to follow and we will need to do that, otherwise we will be found out."

 

Thanks

 

"I'm not allowed to become a fat bast*rd over the summer"

[swannymere]

You're all a bunch of c*nts.

 

Happy Clappy, Student and Nick Illingsworth in one thread?

 

Please lock this pile of sh!t.

 

 

Made my day, SRS the Happy Clappy, Student Media Tart:finga:

[Danish Saint]

How about we all relax a bit... go outside... get from fresh air....and enjoy the summer?... There's a World Cup to be played!

[John B]

How about we all relax a bit... go outside... get from fresh air....and enjoy the summer?... !

 

It is very cold over here otherwise I would

[benjii]

There's no issue, there's no problem, it's only the tiny minority that post on here that are getting a fit of the vapours.

 

This is correct IMO.

[benjii]

OP - total rubbish.

 

We live in such a kneejerk media culture that Im glad the club isnt spinning and fobbing us off with instant updates that play the transparency card but are really nothing of the sort.

 

Obviously real transparency is better than no transparency but if you think the 'transparency' that is passed off in today's media is nothing but manipulation that adds to the murk and is playing the reader, you're a naive fool.

 

Im glad that Cortese doesnt feel the need to stoop to Lowe-type stunts or have his hand forced by agenda-pushing, profit-chasing opportunists like the Mail or the Echo.

 

:smt041 exactly.

[benjii]

You really have no idea how the media works.

 

Why do you think Solent have been first with the vast majority of Saints-related news since the takeover? Blackmore is very pally with Cortese (some may argue that if Cortese told him to jump, he'd ask how high) and as a result gets first scoop on all the news.

 

- Cortese: "Mr Liebherr's not here today. He's upset." [because he can't get here]

 

- Solent: "Markus Liebherr isn't coming because he's upset".

[Matthew Le God]

- Cortese: "Mr Liebherr's not here today. He's upset." [because he can't get here]

 

- Solent: "Markus Liebherr isn't coming because he's upset".

 

That sums the media up very well.

 

Nothing like some ignoring of the full picture to stir up some controversy/ratings/increase circulation.

[derry]

It could be that we no longer need the season ticket money to fund operations and transfers.

[benjii]

It could be that we no longer need the season ticket money to fund operations and transfers.

 

Indeed.

 

Not sure why people are so desperate to part with their money as soon as possible. As long as some sort of loyalty discount, analogous to the previous advance offers, is offered to existing ST holders then I really don't see what the problem is.

[Pilchards]

interesting comments from someone on the mail online thingy...

says the away kit is nice and the home one needs some loving, plus we are close to another deal.

[saint_stevo]

Indeed.

 

Not sure why people are so desperate to part with their money as soon as possible. As long as some sort of loyalty discount, analogous to the previous advance offers, is offered to existing ST holders then I really don't see what the problem is.

 

Probably because the longer it is left, the longer the payments go on for, i.e running into Xmas and January

[View From The Top]

Indeed.

 

Not sure why people are so desperate to part with their money as soon as possible. As long as some sort of loyalty discount, analogous to the previous advance offers, is offered to existing ST holders then I really don't see what the problem is.

 

Because if you are buying a few and paying monthly they were all paid off before Xmas.

[StuRomseySaint]

Indeed.

 

Not sure why people are so desperate to part with their money as soon as possible. As long as some sort of loyalty discount, analogous to the previous advance offers, is offered to existing ST holders then I really don't see what the problem is.

 

Because...

 

1) People paying on installments will end up paying right up to/past Xmas for them.

 

2) People who are paying up front have more money in March/April than they will have in the summer... preffering to spend their money on beer and holidays.

[Tartarus112]

Love the way everyone is getting so worked up over a few little things like season tickets and programmes. They don't mean anything and if they did they'll say in due course. Cortese is trying to build a successful club and as fans we need to accept we can't know everything about the club and it's reasons. That's modern football. I personally have complete faith that Cortese knows what he's doing and trust him with our club. As for the feel good factor going, surely that's because we didn't make the play offs and nothing to do with management. If they came out tomorrow and said we were going to build a new stadium then we'd all be happy as larry again.

[Arizona]

I'm confused by this. How hard is it exactly just to NOT spend the money you were planning on spending on an ST? Why can't you save the money you were going to spend on installments in April and May for November and December?

[Saint_clark]

I'm confused by this. How hard is it exactly just to NOT spend the money you were planning on spending on an ST? Why can't you save the money you were going to spend on installments in April and May for November and December?

 

I don't get it either. Personally I am already putting money aside as we can tell roughly how much they are going to be. I'd rather pay it all in one go and then not worry about it.

[StuRomseySaint]

I'm confused by this. How hard is it exactly just to NOT spend the money you were planning on spending on an ST? Why can't you save the money you were going to spend on installments in April and May for November and December?

 

Because I spend all my money on beer and holidays in the summer.

 

What part of that don't you understand?

[trousers]

Are we a laughing stock yet?

[The9]

I'm confused by this. How hard is it exactly just to NOT spend the money you were planning on spending on an ST? Why can't you save the money you were going to spend on installments in April and May for November and December?

 

It's pretty tricky actually, there's always something else I can spend disposable income on, and usually do.

 

I'd rather it got deducted from my account straight away, preferably spread thinly throughout the year, or in manageable sums for a shorter period.

 

It was great last season when the ST sales were so ar5ed up that the payments were 0% over only 6 months, I'd take that, but I'd rather know how much it's going to be as soon as possible.

[The9]

Love the way everyone is getting so worked up over a few little things like season tickets and programmes. They don't mean anything and if they did they'll say in due course..

 

"A few little things" like the main ticket income for the club next season as well as a long-term source of revenue, not to mention keeping the fanbase in the dark and treating them dismissively by not making a usual product available and then not explaining why...

 

...what exactly do you regards as a "big" issue if the club's funding, the ability of people to watch matches, and the owner and chairman's relationship with the fans aren't ?

[corky morris]

NC was a private banker. I deal with them all the time, indeed spent a decent amount of time with them in Geneva. IMHO they are a certain breed. They are mostly fiercly bright, very conservative & their priority is to look after the primary needs of their clients. I would summarise them as control freaks if I was pushed. They are very conscious of keeping things private & will provide information on a pre-determind & agreed before hand basis.

Who are/is NC's client? Is it us the fans or is it ultimately ML?

FWIW I think NC is looking after ML's aspirations & objectives. If they are both disappointed they will share that with AP in a very civilised are organised manner. They will expect him to be able to articulate in some detail what has worked out & what has not & indeed what he intends to do to improve things.

IMHO they will not fire him on a whim. They will express concern/disapointment with certain things & offer an upcoming period of review (maybe Christmas) for him to deliver on their objectives.

By their very nature they are not public figures or will not go out to court publicity. Things will be kept 'off the radar'. They will not be too triumphalist in success & equally not be too aggressive in disappointment.

Cards will be held close to their chests & shared when they see fit. Believe me, even though there is frustration with season ticket details & lack of public support for AP there will be a plan being upheld behind the scenes.

I think we are getting carried away with a number of little things (some may think they are big things) & that they are conducting their business behind closed doors & simply dont feel the need right now to say anything else. You can come up with as many conspiracy theories as you like, but I aint buying them.

If they want to fire AP - he will be the first to hear once the decision has been taken by the executive (NC & ML). IMHO NC was expressing a genuinely held view that we should have made the play-offs when he spoke in March/April. I dont see what is wrong with that. That in itself does not mean AP is going to be fired.

Without thinking about NC, ask yourself what your view of a Swiss private banker would be? Would you expect him to be mouthy or loud? Brash, arrogant?

From my experience they are far more considered & retiring. Absolutely they can be ruthless, but it normally comes after a period of reflection.

I have a client who NC is a client of. They tell me, off the record that he is a ba$t@rd to deal with. All over them, asking questions, keeping them on their toes. In theyre opinion it is not at all pleasant, but they keep taking him back to his agreed objective & then he may moan a bit, but he is back on track.

Does anybody remember RL on MOTD after we beat Blackburn talking about how Sturrock was not facing the sack?? What did he do the next day? Fired him. NC would not do that. He has let AP know, publicly that he is expecting more which IMHO is letting AP know that he needs to deliver - if he does not - he will be fired. The time table is the point of question.

As I say, this is all my opinion & whilst I dont want AP fired I do think NC/ML have a plan that they wish to execute & they will do all in their power to deliver on it.

[Redondo Saint]

SFC is a private company and that is the end of it and I am not concerned by the internal workings provided there remains investment.

 

My issue is that yet again SFC are creating news and gossip as a result of manager speculation. As a fan of SFC I am so ****ed of with negative news regarding the club.

 

NC needs to sh#t or get off the pot with AP's position - It's time to close out this subject and he is the one that has the responsbility. Player rumours, etc, he can keep quiet about, but this issue needs to be resolved.

[ottery st mary]

NC was a private banker. I deal with them all the time, indeed spent a decent amount of time with them in Geneva. IMHO they are a certain breed. They are mostly fiercly bright, very conservative & their priority is to look after the primary needs of their clients. I would summarise them as control freaks if I was pushed. They are very conscious of keeping things private & will provide information on a pre-determind & agreed before hand basis.

Who are/is NC's client? Is it us the fans or is it ultimately ML?

FWIW I think NC is looking after ML's aspirations & objectives. If they are both disappointed they will share that with AP in a very civilised are organised manner. They will expect him to be able to articulate in some detail what has worked out & what has not & indeed what he intends to do to improve things.

IMHO they will not fire him on a whim. They will express concern/disapointment with certain things & offer an upcoming period of review (maybe Christmas) for him to deliver on their objectives.

By their very nature they are not public figures or will not go out to court publicity. Things will be kept 'off the radar'. They will not be too triumphalist in success & equally not be too aggressive in disappointment.

Cards will be held close to their chests & shared when they see fit. Believe me, even though there is frustration with season ticket details & lack of public support for AP there will be a plan being upheld behind the scenes.

I think we are getting carried away with a number of little things (some may think they are big things) & that they are conducting their business behind closed doors & simply dont feel the need right now to say anything else. You can come up with as many conspiracy theories as you like, but I aint buying them.

If they want to fire AP - he will be the first to hear once the decision has been taken by the executive (NC & ML). IMHO NC was expressing a genuinely held view that we should have made the play-offs when he spoke in March/April. I dont see what is wrong with that. That in itself does not mean AP is going to be fired.

Without thinking about NC, ask yourself what your view of a Swiss private banker would be? Would you expect him to be mouthy or loud? Brash, arrogant?

From my experience they are far more considered & retiring. Absolutely they can be ruthless, but it normally comes after a period of reflection.

I have a client who NC is a client of. They tell me, off the record that he is a ba$t@rd to deal with. All over them, asking questions, keeping them on their toes. In theyre opinion it is not at all pleasant, but they keep taking him back to his agreed objective & then he may moan a bit, but he is back on track.

Does anybody remember RL on MOTD after we beat Blackburn talking about how Sturrock was not facing the sack?? What did he do the next day? Fired him. NC would not do that. He has let AP know, publicly that he is expecting more which IMHO is letting AP know that he needs to deliver - if he does not - he will be fired. The time table is the point of question.

As I say, this is all my opinion & whilst I dont want AP fired I do think NC/ML have a plan that they wish to execute & they will do all in their power to deliver on it.

 

This is excellent.....You remind me of my old tutor....Shakespeare.

 

I hope everyone takes the time to read this.=D>