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ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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Personally I think Pardew is playing a dangerous game. I think the stories are being fed to the press by him to put pressure on Cortese (by generating the upswell of fan sentiment that this thread represents).

 

The question for me is why:

- does he feel pressured by NC and is fighting to insure his position.

- is he looking for additional investment / commitment

- is he looking for a longer contract?

- is he looking for an 'out' - to West Ham or similar - "I had to go because the chairman didn't support me" yada yada yada.

 

I don't know, but it can't serve Cortese for the press to whip up fan anger.

 

(FWIW, I'd like him to stay as I think changing the manager leads to squad reshaping that we can ill afford this season).

 

 

You so easily forget your buddy, Rupert Bear and his friends at The Mail.:mad:

 

Not forgetting Murray and his boyzz at the Echo..:finga:

 

Blackmore and Merrington at Solent.:smt096

 

Last but not least the naughty little, I am ITK more than anyone gang, who hang on this forum and around ex Directors in the stands at St Marys...

 

 

 

I personally would not trust any of the motley crowd mentioned .

above..:rolleyes:

 

This is where all the Shiiite stirring is coming from...;)

 

 

I am sure Pards will be reassured by your little vote of confidence...Alain.

 

 

COYRS

BARCELONASAINT

BARCELONASAINT

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AP was most likely the best candidate at the time. He had two very bad periods of management (end part) at WHU and his period at Charlton was also shocking......he needed a 2nd chance and Saints needed experience.

 

Ap's appointment was therefore win/win.

 

However AP has been backed like no other manager in L1 and spent a considerable amount of money (more than everyone in L1, 90% in CCC and 50% in the prem) part of this luxuory comes objectives/targets and AP (like me) would agree that top 6 was achievable start of the season.

 

Bottom line he failed (despite the boards backing) and he is now either given a 2nd chance (risk) or we get a new man (risk)

 

what's the lesser of two evils - only NC and ML can decide.

 

I for one trust there judgement.

 

I dont often agree with your arguements on here and sometimes think you just post looking for an arguement....however here i 100% agree with what you say.

 

You are right on NC and ML can decide....i just hope we keep what we have because there is no replacement for continuity for the fans, staff or players.

NickG

NickG

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AP was most likely the best candidate at the time. He had two very bad periods of management (end part) at WHU and his period at Charlton was also shocking......he needed a 2nd chance and Saints needed experience.

 

Ap's appointment was therefore win/win.

 

However AP has been backed like no other manager in L1 and spent a considerable amount of money (more than everyone in L1, 90% in CCC and 50% in the prem) part of this luxuory comes objectives/targets and AP (like me) would agree that top 6 was achievable start of the season.

 

Bottom line he failed (despite the boards backing) and he is now either given a 2nd chance (risk) or we get a new man (risk)

 

what's the lesser of two evils - only NC and ML can decide.

 

I for one trust there judgement.

 

I suspect, if you put it to a vote, with either saints fans or football journalists you would be in a tiny minority of people who viewed Pardew's season's work as a failure - possibly totally alone.

 

I would like to trust their judgement, but that is yet to be evidenced.

NickG

NickG

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Ladbrokes have suspended all bets on Pardew being sacked and have told anyone wanting to place said bet they'd have to go to an independent agent. The said bookmaker also said Hughes was his replacement!

 

I realise this has been touched on in other threads but this rumour is gaining massive speed and with the bookies suspending bets it looks imminent!

 

For me this is worrying, Mr Liehberr and Cortesse said this was a 5 year plan, after year 1 I feel we've made massive progress, I feel Alan has formed the basis of a great team capable of winning the league 1 title next year and would be gutted if he was sacked, both for me and more importantly him! I feel he has earned the right to have a full pre-season and a shot at the title next year. I also wonder what sort of message it sends out to the rest of football if we were to sack him, what would be the clubs stance if Hughes fails to get us promoted next year?

 

Lowe made a huge error in sacking Pearson, do we really want to go down the same route again?

 

Your thoughts please, would you be p1ssed if we sacked him, would Hughes replacing him soften that, is success at all costs the way we want our club run???

 

411 posts in, has anyone tried to place a bet with Ladbrokes on this?:confused:

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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The thing we have lacked is continuity, keeping the same Manager and the nucleus of a 'team' over a prolonged period is what we crave.

 

 

Shame.

 

Totally agree.....

 

 

However without any facts I thought I'd try and analyse the unfounded rumours starting way back when.

 

Coppell seen at SMS. Was he the first choice?

 

WGS seen at Staplewood, my rumour sources (unfounded) say he was offered the job but turned it down because he couldn't work with someone in the new team/ (Imagined at the time to AO who didn't last long)

 

AP gets the job, experienced, wise old head grumbles from the fans but widely welcomed BUT was he 3rd Choice? If so there are the first doubts.

 

Rumours that NC is let's say "Highly Strung"

 

Unfounded rumours indicate that NC is on a whopping bonus to get to the PL figures bandied around from 500k to 5mil.

 

January window comes along, NC & AP take the gamble buy the players, the team gets chopped and changed so doesn't gel as quickly as it should leading to inconsistent results in games we should win.

 

NC is not happy, as much for seeing his cheque delayed by at least a year.

 

It is at the end of the day all about the money. NC's background in Banking & High Finance shows he has a track record and this very public deal will have pushed his stock (market value) higher. He COULD earn huge bonuses back in that sector.

 

So IMHO NC is mad as hell that he has to wait another year for his bonus cheque and the chance to cash in on his credibility. In his own mind he probably thinks that AP has cost him that year AND a good bonus cheque.

 

So putting oneself in those shoes. You just got screwed out of a couple of million quid for a Stinking Pot of Paint....

 

 

Game Over AP, rationale is probably no where near that board room, just anger

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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I dont often agree with your arguements on here and sometimes think you just post looking for an arguement....however here i 100% agree with what you say.

 

You are right on NC and ML can decide....i just hope we keep what we have because there is no replacement for continuity for the fans, staff or players.

 

I agree - he deserves a 2nd shot. Continuity is important and we played well towards the end of the season.

 

Carry that onto next season and we will win the league.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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AP was most likely the best candidate at the time. He had two very bad periods of management (end part) at WHU and his period at Charlton was also shocking......he needed a 2nd chance and Saints needed experience.

 

Ap's appointment was therefore win/win.

 

However AP has been backed like no other manager in L1 and spent a considerable amount of money (more than everyone in L1, 90% in CCC and 50% in the prem) part of this luxuory comes objectives/targets and AP (like me) would agree that top 6 was achievable start of the season.

 

Bottom line he failed (despite the boards backing) and he is now either given a 2nd chance (risk) or we get a new man (risk)

 

what's the lesser of two evils - only NC and ML can decide.

 

I for one trust there judgement.

 

No one was saying that at the start of the season though NC decided that at christmas. The money argument only works for me if AP had spent all that money last August. He spent most of the money at Christmas and once those extra players bedded in we've been at the top or near the top of the form table ever since. Thats why keeping AP is not a risk he has already proved that given the team he has now we will **** all over most of this league, we will still lose/draw some games but we will win most as we have done for the last quarter of the season. If NC and ML can't see the improvement under AP this season I'm very worried.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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I suspect, if you put it to a vote, with either saints fans or football journalists you would be in a tiny minority of people who viewed Pardew's season's work as a failure - possibly totally alone.

 

I would like to trust their judgement, but that is yet to be evidenced.

 

NICK - im not trying to argue....i'm just pointing out the facts.

 

AP failed this year as his one objective was to reach the top 6 (he didnt do that - at any stage)

 

- How many L1 teams (ever) have spent 3m+ and failed to get promoted? None

- How many spend £3m and fail to reach the playoffs? None

 

AP was not backed financially to win the JPT. His target was top 6 in L1

ohwhenthesaints

ohwhenthesaints

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Perhaps someone should make a DVD of all our games from last year and let NC watch it to realise how far we've come this season. I will be gutted if AP is sacked after giving us our best season in years and can see a few of our best players leaving if he does go.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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NICK - im not trying to argue....i'm just pointing out the facts.

 

AP failed this year as his one objective was to reach the top 6 (he didnt do that - at any stage)

 

- How many L1 teams (ever) have spent 3m+ and failed to get promoted? None

- How many spend £3m and fail to reach the playoffs? None

AP was not backed financially to win the JPT. His target was top 6 in L1

 

You have to balance those facts with the fact that not one team that has ever had a points deduction has ever been promoted.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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You have to balance those facts with the fact that not one team that has ever had a points deduction has ever been promoted.

 

Take 10 points off Norwich and they are still 1st

Take 10 points off Saints and they are 7th

 

;)

 

(I'm not saying I want Pardew to leave)

ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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Minutes of the last meeting.

Appraisal of this season.

Restate/reset any goals in the five year plan.

Retained list.

New targets/transfers in.

Pay rise for Pards and ottery for a fantastic season.

Vote on bringing woggy back into the fold.

Vote on whether Rupert will be the new club fans liason officer.

Any other business.

 

 

SIMPLE....hopefully...

 

 

COYRS

 

 

 

APOLOGIES to ESB1980........You had already put the agenda out........

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Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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No one was saying that at the start of the season though NC decided that at christmas. The money argument only works for me if AP had spent all that money last August. He spent most of the money at Christmas and once those extra players bedded in we've been at the top or near the top of the form table ever since. Thats why keeping AP is not a risk he has already proved that given the team he has now we will **** all over most of this league, we will still lose/draw some games but we will win most as we have done for the last quarter of the season. If NC and ML can't see the improvement under AP this season I'm very worried.

 

I agree things have improved. All I’m doing is pointing out reason why NC may look elsewhere.

 

Keep seeing posts like “I’ll be amazed if he’s sacked” and “OMG this cant be real”

 

Wake up – football is a results game.

 

If I was chairman and I outspent the whole league (almost combined) then I would be questioning the 26 league games we failed to win in.

 

26 games is too many for a side that splashed out so much cash.

 

For the record I think AP should be given next year to show what he can do.

 

Stick with him or replace him – for me they both offer equal risks.

 

p.s If he does go then the results are presumably not the only deciding factor. Like you say things have improved on the pitch, but have the off it?

We don’t know the relationship that NC and AP have – perhaps they just can’t work together? The failure to reach the playoffs maybe NC’s excuse?

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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You have to balance those facts with the fact that not one team that has ever had a points deduction has ever been promoted.

 

AP's target wasnt promotion - it was the playoffs.

 

Leeds made the palyoffs after starting on -15 and they diodnt spend £3m+

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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Take 10 points off Norwich and they are still 1st

Take 10 points off Saints and they are 7th

 

;)

 

(I'm not saying I want Pardew to leave)

 

It's more than just the points though it's the after shock of admin and the effect of the -10pts hanging over the players these things are bound up with the physical points deduction. We can't say how Norwich would have done with a points deduction becuase they didn't have one, but lets start with did Norwich have to rebuild they backroom staff and scouting network back up from scratch this year?.Thus the fact still stands no team with a points deduction has ever been promoted. There's probably a good reason for this...........

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doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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AP's target wasnt promotion - it was the playoffs.

 

Leeds made the palyoffs after starting on -15 and they diodnt spend £3m+

 

Quite. So why are NC and AL upset (if they are). Play offs don't equal promotion we could have scrapped playoffs lost and still be exactly where we are right now. Leeds still didn't get promoted though and kept the squad they came down with unlike us.

pimpin4rizeal

pimpin4rizeal

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Thereby demonstrating your complete naiivety of the situation for all to see.

 

ML and NC are a package; the understanding is that it was NC that got ML interested in us.

 

Therefore no NC, no ML. Or are you so self-opinionated that you would bet the future of the club on being right ?

 

Everyone else is fully aware and agreeing that in a straight "him or me" discussion, AP would lose.

 

What the hell is wrong with you ?

 

100 percent right alpine. everyone needs to stop moanin about cortese the reason pardew is doing a good job is because nc and ml make his life easy with funds

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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The thing we have lacked is continuity, keeping the same Manager and the nucleus of a 'team' over a prolonged period is what we crave.

 

 

Shame.

 

Not me, I want a team (and a Manager) who can go to Brentford, Exeter and Wycombe and kick ass.

SNSUN

SNSUN

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If NC sacks Pardew I will be incredulous.

 

Ipecac will help you with that problem.

 

Sacking Pardew would be a mightily stupid decision, I think he's had a good first season and genuinely is the man to take us up.

 

However, I would like to hear a decision on his future THIS WEEK, one way or the other. We have stability for the first time in ages, let's not ruin that by letting this drag on until August before deciding his future. If he is to stay, tell him that, then let him go and sign the players we need for the promotion push. If he is to go, then do it - and bring someone else in immediately.

 

There will be many good Bosmans out there this summer - we need a stable manager in place to attract them.

stmusicdude

stmusicdude

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I dont often agree with your arguements on here and sometimes think you just post looking for an arguement....however here i 100% agree with what you say.

 

You are right on NC and ML can decide....i just hope we keep what we have because there is no replacement for continuity for the fans, staff or players.

 

I never agreed with his arguments but I did start to realise towards end of season that both him & alps are not saying what they say to be gimps or argue or whatever & do actually hold & make some very valid points so I had to re read a load of post's just to try listening to the point of view they made better, i think lots of us should do that

KK the 2nd

KK the 2nd

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411 posts in, has anyone tried to place a bet with Ladbrokes on this?:confused:

There were never any odds on offer or any book on this at Ladbrokes or any other bookie but why let the facts get in the way ....

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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so first post was a lie, which has been debated for 433 posts!

 

Looks like it and there will be alot more before next season starts I'd imagine. I really can't wait for the new season to start already, the summer is going to be full of rumours about players/staff leaving and coming thanks to all the ITKs

chrisobee

chrisobee

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so first post was a lie, which has been debated for 433 posts!

 

As I said 3 days ago :

 

" This is all so fantastic it beggars belief:

 

Firstly we would have to imagine Ladbrokes were ever taking bets on AP being sacked in the 1st place, highly improbable and I'm certainly not aware of there being any such market existing with Ladbrokes or any other bookmaker.

Secondly and assuming there was any market in the 1st place betting is then suspended, again nothing to substantiate that either as far as I'm aware.

Finally even if we allow ourselves to accept the above we're then supposed to believe Ladbrokes stated Hughes was the new manager. That really would be astonishing and is as likely as us winning every game for the next 4 years and at at the end of 2013/14 being crowned CL winners, PL winners for the 2nd time, FA Cup Winners and League Cup Winners for the 4th time in a row and throw in League 1 Champions and JPT winners 2010/2011, CCC wiinners 2011/12 and just for good measure a couple of UEFA Cup wins as well as we'd almost certainly qualify via the FA Cup.

Wow, what a great fantasy, I'm sure I'm sleep typing TBH !!

Oh and I nearly forgot that invariably if anyone starts a market on something like this it is Skybet and not Ladbrokes! "

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dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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I wish to claim my ITK badge. In my application I wish to submit post #2 in this thread....

 

:-)

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Jason viewpost.gif

Ladbrokes have suspended all bets on Pardew being sacked and have told anyone wanting to place said bet, they'd have to go an independent agent. The said bookmaker also said Highes was his replacement!

 

I realise this has been touched on in other threads but this rumour is gaining massive speed and with the bookies suspending bets it looks imminent!

 

For me this is worrying, Mr Liehberr and Cortesse said this was a 5 year plan, after year 1 I feel we've made massive progress, I feel Alan has formed the basis of a great team capable of winning the league 1 title next year and would be gutted if he was sacked, both for me and more importantly him! I feel he has earned the right to have a full pre-season and a shot at the title next year. I also wonder what sort of message it sends out to the rest of football if we were to sack him, what would be the clubs stance if Hughes fails to get us promoted next year?

 

Lowe made a huge error in sacking Pearson, do we really want to go down the same route again?

 

Your thoughts please, would you be p1ssed if we sacked him, would Hughes replacing him soften that, is success at all costs the way we want our club run???

 

 

Originally posted by Moi

OK it's late on a Sunday evening, so your link to this is where exactly?

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NickG

NickG

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am I the only one who thinks Pardew will still be here in August?

 

my guess for summer

 

Pardew will stay

 

we will sign RB, CM

 

Lambert will stay as will Fonte and Puncheon

 

Lallana / Schneiderlin will probably stay but could end up at a lower prem side.

 

seems less quotes / substance to anything to do with Pardew leaving than there was about Allen buying us!

 

Hopefully just yet another made up rumour that goes around in circles coroborating itself

 

or these!;)

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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or these!;)

 

Now you're just showing off and telling everyone that you don't have much work to do today and had time to go back through the 4,972 threads on the same subject :p

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