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St_Tel49

St_Tel49

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I think regardless of any rumour that to get rid of pardew is madness, but if he is going it isn't because of bad results,there must be something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about,something more serious.

 

Personally I believe that he is going/gone and the decision was made weeks/months ago.....I don't know why but nc and ml must have good reason to act.

Perhaps pardew has been approached by another club and has expressed an interest to leave,this could have been in January just after asking for funds to buy players......I know if I was ml this would have ****ed me off.

Have you anything at all to substantiate what you think. This all sounds ******** to me

Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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I don't think Hughes would come here. He is about the most in demand manager not currently in a job and must be looking for a Prem role. Not even ML's cash would make him come here.

 

Did anyone else see the piece in yesterdays Mail? I don't have a lot of time for Samuels but he wrote a piece on the Pards being sacked rumours and said he could be replaced by a foreign manager who would be more easy for Cortese to control....

 

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madruss

madruss

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The Daily Mail seem to be the ones that think this has legs.

 

Why is what they say any more reliable than someone posting on here?

 

They've got no source, no pictures, just a claim of a meeting.

 

In fact weren't they the ones that said WGS was definitely the new Leeds manager after he left us

revolution saint

revolution saint

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I actually think Cotterill is a good manager and he'd get us playing good football. He knows the lower leagues well and could be a good manager for us.

 

However, given a choice between him and Pardew who'd have a side he knew well and a full pre season I'd take Pardew every day. If we lined up someone earth shattering I could see the logic but not Cotterill. The relationship between NC and AP must be really bad if this is the case.

Tractor_Saint

Tractor_Saint

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I think if Pardew goes it's under his own steam and not a push from the club. I hope he doesn't but then there have been managers in the past that have talked the walk but, when it came to it, walked.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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Lets not get carried away here - AP has done an OK job....NO more. If he goes we replace him and I trust the board to pick the right man.

 

AP had an objective - that objective was achievable and with the financial backing AP must admit failure. Yes (IMO) he most likely deserves a 2nd chance, but..........

 

He has not had great fortune in his last few jobs

 

- With WHU Pardew was criticized after seeing West Ham through their worst run of defeats in over 70 years.

 

- Vilified @ Charlton for "taking the club backwards"

 

- Saints: Backed with BIG BIG $$'s, signed many top players, won JPT, ultimately failed to make playoffs.

 

Not great reading.......

 

Is he irreplaceable - don't be so daft!!

Tractor_Saint

Tractor_Saint

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Lets not get carried away here - AP has done an OK job....NO more. If he goes we replace him and I trust the board to pick the right man.

 

Easy q then changing on a minutely basis - currently:

 

AP

or

Cotterill

?

 

(did make me laugh quoting you and seeing :

[/b]job....

 

Blimey - and I'm nearly 40 :)

Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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Cotterill is vastly overrated. Notts Co had a much better squad than everyone else as they got them all on huge wages. To remove Pardew for Cotterill would be a huge insult to AP and Cortese had better have a very good reason if AP goes at all!

stmusicdude

stmusicdude

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Lets not get carried away here - AP has done an OK job....NO more. If he goes we replace him and I trust the board to pick the right man.

 

AP had an objective - that objective was achievable and with the financial backing AP must admit failure. Yes (IMO) he most likely deserves a 2nd chance, but..........

 

He has not had great fortune in his last few jobs

 

- With WHU Pardew was criticized after seeing West Ham through their worst run of defeats in over 70 years.

 

- Vilified @ Charlton for "taking the club backwards"

 

- Saints: Backed with BIG BIG $$'s, signed many top players, won JPT, ultimately failed to make playoffs.

 

Not great reading.......

 

Is he irreplaceable - don't be so daft!!

 

At last we agree about something! it's silly to sugest he is irreplaceable nearly every manager is & will be at some point bar the lucky few.

However WHO a manager is replaced people makes up weather the actual replacement was worth the gamble.

Many things make the "luck" mangers have & teams work & EVERY manager NEEDS luck as well as skill, desire passion & many other skills but ALSO they need the momentum & backing from the players. As it stands AP does seem to have both these important factors.. We wait & see cos I really dont think we will hit ground running if AP goes & Steve cotterill or mark hughes come ..

NickG

NickG

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Lets not get carried away here - AP has done an OK job....NO more. If he goes we replace him and I trust the board to pick the right man.

 

AP had an objective - that objective was achievable and with the financial backing AP must admit failure. Yes (IMO) he most likely deserves a 2nd chance, but..........

 

He has not had great fortune in his last few jobs

 

- With WHU Pardew was criticized after seeing West Ham through their worst run of defeats in over 70 years.

 

- Vilified @ Charlton for "taking the club backwards"

 

- Saints: Backed with BIG BIG $$'s, signed many top players, won JPT, ultimately failed to make playoffs.

 

Not great reading.......

 

Is he irreplaceable - don't be so daft!!

 

Disagree - Pardew has done a good job. Turning around a squad with no balance, confidence or team spirit, winning a cup and building the form team in the country.

 

Its the squad he built and the players want to play for him.

 

Mgt record before us:

Reading

1st season div 2 play off final

2nd season automatic promotion

3rd season play offs

WHU

first season play off final

next winning play offs

FA cup final

 

 

Cotterill doesn't come close imho

saintkiptanui

saintkiptanui

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Cotterill is vastly overrated. Notts Co had a much better squad than everyone else as they got them all on huge wages. To remove Pardew for Cotterill would be a huge insult to AP and Cortese had better have a very good reason if AP goes at all!

 

So he took over county who were 3rd at the time and 13 points behind, they won almost every game and ended up 10 points clear playing good attcking football, County being very similar to us as thye had by far the best squad in the league as we will so therefore he will probaby deliver the title for us, don't see a problem although I hope Alan stays.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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even unpopular choices can be good..pardews appointment in the first place was met with many not being too chipper..

 

look at blackpool..I wonder how many would have welcomed hollaway with open arms last summer

 

(they now lead 3-2 away to forest after spending less than what lambert cost)

 

edit..now winning 4-2 away to forest (6-3 on agg)

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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I actually think Cotterill is a good manager and he'd get us playing good football. He knows the lower leagues well and could be a good manager for us.

 

However, given a choice between him and Pardew who'd have a side he knew well and a full pre season I'd take Pardew every day. If we lined up someone earth shattering I could see the logic but not Cotterill. The relationship between NC and AP must be really bad if this is the case.

 

Agree.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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I don't think it is an issue of ML or AP, I think it is AP or NC. Given a choice of the two right now I would go for AP.

 

Thereby demonstrating your complete naiivety of the situation for all to see.

 

ML and NC are a package; the understanding is that it was NC that got ML interested in us.

 

Therefore no NC, no ML. Or are you so self-opinionated that you would bet the future of the club on being right ?

 

Everyone else is fully aware and agreeing that in a straight "him or me" discussion, AP would lose.

 

What the hell is wrong with you ?

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Disagree - Pardew has done a good job. Turning around a squad with no balance, confidence or team spirit, winning a cup and building the form team in the country.

 

Its the squad he built and the players want to play for him.

 

Mgt record before us:

Reading

1st season div 2 play off final

2nd season automatic promotion

3rd season play offs

WHU

first season play off final

next winning play offs

FA cup final

 

 

Cotterill doesn't come close imho

 

You're right, Pard's has laid some really solid foundations at this club - from the players, to the coaches and even to the scouting network.

 

If you ignore the first 10 games, his performance on the field has been pretty good. 83 points is the real total we gained over 46 games, 3 points behind leeds. I don't count that as a failure considering what we started with.

 

If he does go it must primarily be down to NC and Pards clashing behind the scenes, there have been some disagreements on the targets for some time (if you look at Nicola's statement from February on the league not being good enough, and the cups not a priority etc)

 

Any new manager that comes into this club is lucky, because they take control of a ready made club which they don't need to do much with - Pard's has laid it all ready for them, which is why it's so harsh if he does get sacked.

 

Cotterill will probably get us promoted, but i must say his appointment wouldn't fill me with a massive amount of confidence - he's not in the same league as Pard's anyway, which is why I'd view it as a backwards step in the grand scheme of things.

 

I trust pard's to take this team to the premiership - and i believe he'd make if he's given the chance. Sadly, i don't think he will be.

Appy

Appy

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Why is what they say any more reliable than someone posting on here?

 

They've got no source, no pictures, just a claim of a meeting.

 

In fact weren't they the ones that said WGS was definitely the new Leeds manager after he left us

 

 

I don't think what they is reliable, i just commented that they think he is offski.

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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I remember the dread of last summer when we thought he was about to take over at SMS

 

he is a complete loon

 

Not quite as loony as your old mate Holloway though ;-)

I remember him being touted on here and shouted down mind you so was Billy Davies.

CWD

CWD

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I remember the dread of last summer when we thought he was about to take over at SMS

 

he is a complete loon

 

I remember this too, and in that case it all turned out to be a nothing story. This is why I am reasonably confident that we have a similar situation now with AP.

 

I firmly believe AP will be here next season. and FWIW i think Cotterill (although undoubtedly a good manager) would be a step sideways. He is of similar calibre to Pards imo

madruss

madruss

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even unpopular choices can be good..pardews appointment in the first place was met with many not being too chipper..

 

look at blackpool..I wonder how many would have welcomed hollaway with open arms last summer

 

(they now lead 3-2 away to forest after spending less than what lambert cost)

 

edit..now winning 4-2 away to forest (6-3 on agg)

 

The same Holloway that got Leicester relegated with plenty of money to spend?

 

This 'choosing a manager' lark is a pretty inexact science. If AP is sacked, his replacement will have very little margin for error or he'll be sacked too, and he'll be lucky if he gets anywhere near a year to achieve success.

 

As Man.City have found out, sacking a perfectly good manager doesn't always work

Badger

Badger

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Why is what they say any more reliable than someone posting on here?

 

They've got no source, no pictures, just a claim of a meeting.

 

In fact weren't they the ones that said WGS was definitely the new Leeds manager after he left us

 

I think the Mirror led the way with that one.

Badger

Badger

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I firmly believe AP will be here next season. and FWIW i think Cotterill (although undoubtedly a good manager) would be a step sideways. He is of similar calibre to Pards imo

 

I hope he will be here next season but don't have your confidence that he will be.

 

As for Cotterill,yes a good manager but not in same calibre as AP in my view,and unlikely to attract players of Lambert,or Fonte's quality.

Fowllyd

Fowllyd

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I remember the dread of last summer when we thought he [Tony Adams] was about to take over at SMS

 

he is a complete loon

 

I too remember that well, though I could never bring myself to believe the stories that he was on his way here. And didn't certain bookies apparently close their books on that particular bet at the time? Or, at the very least, install him as a hotter than hell favourite?

St. Jason

St. Jason

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Lets not get carried away here - AP has done an OK job....NO more. If he goes we replace him and I trust the board to pick the right man.

 

On what basis do you "trust the board to pick the right man"?

 

Would this be the same board who picked Pardew? If Pardew is now the wrong man that would their success rate in this field 100% wrong!!!!

 

I believe they were 100% right in appointing Pardew, I just don't get this complete blind loyalty to the board. Yes we should and will be eternally grateful for them taking over but surely we haven't relinquished our right to question their decisions??

CB Saint

CB Saint

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I can't help thinking that this will be the last day for AP. If it happens I will be dieappointed as I think it would be a mistake. NC needs to consider his public image here. Fair enough he had a spat with the local rag, but he needs to avoids getting a rep with the nationals otherwise who will want to work for him.

 

and to avoid upsetting Sour Mash again, all of the above is my opinion - no source, mole or inside info. :)

Legod Third Coming

Legod Third Coming

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On what basis do you "trust the board to pick the right man"?

 

Would this be the same board who picked Pardew? If Pardew is now the wrong man that would their success rate in this field 100% wrong!!!!

 

I believe they were 100% right in appointing Pardew, I just don't get this complete blind loyalty to the board. Yes we should and will be eternally grateful for them taking over but surely we haven't relinquished our right to question their decisions??

 

Best post on this subject bar none.

Alain Perrin

Alain Perrin

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Personally I think Pardew is playing a dangerous game. I think the stories are being fed to the press by him to put pressure on Cortese (by generating the upswell of fan sentiment that this thread represents).

 

The question for me is why:

- does he feel pressured by NC and is fighting to insure his position.

- is he looking for additional investment / commitment

- is he looking for a longer contract?

- is he looking for an 'out' - to West Ham or similar - "I had to go because the chairman didn't support me" yada yada yada.

 

I don't know, but it can't serve Cortese for the press to whip up fan anger.

 

(FWIW, I'd like him to stay as I think changing the manager leads to squad reshaping that we can ill afford this season).

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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On what basis do you "trust the board to pick the right man"?

 

Would this be the same board who picked Pardew? If Pardew is now the wrong man that would their success rate in this field 100% wrong!!!!

 

I believe they were 100% right in appointing Pardew, I just don't get this complete blind loyalty to the board. Yes we should and will be eternally grateful for them taking over but surely we haven't relinquished our right to question their decisions??

 

AP was most likely the best candidate at the time. He had two very bad periods of management (end part) at WHU and his period at Charlton was also shocking......he needed a 2nd chance and Saints needed experience.

 

Ap's appointment was therefore win/win.

 

However AP has been backed like no other manager in L1 and spent a considerable amount of money (more than everyone in L1, 90% in CCC and 50% in the prem) part of this luxuory comes objectives/targets and AP (like me) would agree that top 6 was achievable start of the season.

 

Bottom line he failed (despite the boards backing) and he is now either given a 2nd chance (risk) or we get a new man (risk)

 

what's the lesser of two evils - only NC and ML can decide.

 

I for one trust there judgement.

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