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[Mr Saints]

Does anyone know where the Mark Hughes link has actually come from?

 

Was it just a 'heard it from a steward' or has anyone heard something concrete?

 

Thought I'd ask as his name keeps cropping up but obviously nothing in the press linking him.

[St. Jason]

Although the media were talking bout Pardew's job hanging by a thread?

 

In fairness all the media seem to be doing at the minute is asking the question "what's going on" nobody on Late KO said his job was hanging by a thread, just that they didn't know what was going on!

[JustMike]

west ham board meet with zola today to discuss future, if zola gets the boot its only going make the AP rumours worse

[NickG]

Does anyone know where the Mark Hughes link has actually come from?

 

Was it just a 'heard it from a steward' or has anyone heard something concrete?

 

Thought I'd ask as his name keeps cropping up but obviously nothing in the press linking him.

 

saw someone on here saying it was because someone thought Nick Holmes (who was at the game) was Hughes.

[NickG]

Keegan - "Pardew has done a very very excellent job this season"

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8157760.Keegan_joins_Pardew_backers/?ref=rss

[ericofarabia]

west ham board meet with zola today to discuss future, if zola gets the boot its only going make the AP rumours worse

 

I wonder if AP has a get clause of his own that would allow him to move if a Prem club were to come a calling :confused:

 

I seem to remember him saying when he was first appointed, something along the lines of the only other club in our league position he'd even think about joining would have been West Ham Utd ...... here we go with the old spiritual home bollix again :cool:

 

I sincerely hope Zola keeps his job

[ericofarabia]

Keegan - "Pardew has done a very very excellent job this season"

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8157760.Keegan_joins_Pardew_backers/?ref=rss

 

WTF did they get that picture of KK from :confused:

 

I wonder how many weeks / months ago KK made that quote

[trousers]

Does anyone know where the Mark Hughes link has actually come from?

 

Was it just a 'heard it from a steward' or has anyone heard something concrete?

 

Thought I'd ask as his name keeps cropping up but obviously nothing in the press linking him.

Weston and Derry (if memory serves me correctly) heard that Hughes may have been at st mary's when saints were playing up at tranmere and that it was suspected that cortese wasn't at tranmere...

[thorpie the sinner]

I went to bed last night after reading 'Pards gone', yet here we are this morning with no more news!!! this darn rumour mongering site, pah!!!!!!!

 

All I really want to hear about are the fantastic new players we are being linked with this summer!!! Actually signing Calderon would be a start!!

[Window Cleaner]

How about this for a devious scenario.

 

 

Club builds up speculation about AP's future precisely by saying nothing because there's really nothing to say, pulls a programme with no explanation, rumours of sackings and meetings abound,Club announces everything rosy in the garden, AP confirmed for next season, ST sales announced, fans fall over themselves with delight and swamp SMS with ST requests, result ? 19000 or so STs sold in the first month.

[stmusicdude]

How about this for a devious scenario.

 

 

Club builds up speculation about AP's future precisely by saying nothing because there's really nothing to say, pulls a programme with no explanation, rumours of sackings and meetings abound,Club announces everything rosy in the garden, AP confirmed for next season, ST sales announced, fans fall over themselves with delight and swamp SMS with ST requests, result ? 19000 or so STs sold in the first month.

 

Now wouldnt that be great!!

sadly I think our season ticket sales MIGHT go down

[lordswoodsaints]

See this is where my opinion is vastly different to many I think. If he had already "gone" in that he knows he's gone I think it would be in the public domain. If it's he's gone in a decison has been made but No one ( AP included) wasn't told yet, then I will give NC more credit & think only his closest advisors would know. the LAST people i would expect to KNOW before it was official would be any one at the echo to be honest. There must be a gulf of difference between it being accepted around the club that NC isn't happy to the fact that a decision has now been made & the party ( in this case AP) not being informed.

 

I also no longer think IF he's is going that NC has lined up Mark Hughes.

I think that if NC & AP have a fragile relasionship it goes way beyond the fact we missed the "playoffs" Come on we have ALL heard that interview a few months back where he implied playoffs was goal but that didnt mean we had to go up. As I said earlier too I can't see him thinking ok we missed promotion lets sack him, after all we still have to get out the league & we do have the momentum.

 

We actually know nothing .. & can twist everything we hear to fit the gossip & rumour ML stayed at home .. no programme .. thats really ALL we have yet ML staying at home when there was a very clear risk getting back after game could be awkward makes sense really? so that leaves the programme & i think those that have seen it have said it's NOT due to comments made?

 

is it possible the club can't comment because the ONLY person/s that know haven't informed those asked?

so the people asked would rather decline to comment than look stupid later?

 

Either way & i really don't want AP sacked I wish people would quit with the bashing of either ML or NC have more respect for what they have done for us ffs

 

I think regardless of any rumour that to get rid of pardew is madness, but if he is going it isn't because of bad results,there must be something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about,something more serious.

 

Personally I believe that he is going/gone and the decision was made weeks/months ago.....I don't know why but nc and ml must have good reason to act.

Perhaps pardew has been approached by another club and has expressed an interest to leave,this could have been in January just after asking for funds to buy players......I know if I was ml this would have ****ed me off.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Perhaps it's not about AP getting sacked atall. Perhaps it is the case that AP has been approached by West Ham about the possibility of him going if talks with Zola break-down? And AP has told NC that if the call comes, he will have to go. So, the meeting on Weds. could be to either ratify AP's departure to WH or to ratify the conditions of his continued management of Saints through the course of next season.

 

AND/OR it could be that all of this is complete carp and the NC/AP meeting on Weds. is to ratify the players AP wants to release versus those he wants to buy....i.e. a detailed strategy meeting.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

it could be that all of this is complete carp and the NC/AP meeting on Weds. is to ratify the players AP wants to release versus those he wants to buy....i.e. a detailed strategy meeting.

 

I think this will be it. Who's off, who he'd like to bring in and verification of a contract offer to Calderon. Please.

[NickG]

seems less quotes / substance to anything to do with Pardew leaving than there was about Allen buying us!

 

Hopefully just yet another made up rumour that goes around in circles coroborating itself

[Sour Mash]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/alanpardew/

 

 

LOL

 

Facebook group as well that wants to march to St mary's and protest, what a bunch of morons, I don't think they realise without uncle Markus we would have been f*cked.

 

Just further proof it it was needed of quite how thick some of our supporters are.

[Sour Mash]

Ah I see, so they pick the players, take training, sort out the tactics? So it is them that Alps should have ben slagging off all this time and not Pardew then?

 

Mr Liebherr has kindly stumped up some cash but is Pardew and his management team that are doing the business on the ground.

 

Pardew has done what any good manager with his resources would have done. He's done well, but nothing exceptional. On the other hand, having an ambitious bilionaire owner and the man who brought him to the club and is keeping him at the club IS something exceptional.

[Scudamore]

WTF did they get that picture of KK from :confused:

 

I wonder how many weeks / months ago KK made that quote

 

I'd hazard a guess that it would have been at a golf day

[CB Saint]

I have heard that NC views not reaching the play offs as a failure and blames AP entirely. I really hope this isn't the case but I trust the source of the info (and no I will not name names). I am becoming concerned.

[Sour Mash]

I have heard that NC views not reaching the play offs as a failure and blames AP entirely. I really hope this isn't the case but I trust the source of the info (and no I will not name names). I am becoming concerned.

 

That's fine, you don't need to name names. Give us an idea of what his role at the club or whatever is? And agree if you are wrong to never post on this board again?

[ottery st mary]

Weston and Derry (if memory serves me correctly) heard that Hughes may have been at st mary's when saints were playing up at tranmere and that it was suspected that cortese wasn't at tranmere...

 

Then again NC was at Tranmere and Hughes is going to a big club up North very shortly.:-$

[CB Saint]

That's fine, you don't need to name names. Give us an idea of what his role at the club or whatever is? And agree if you are wrong to never post on this board again?

 

WTF

 

I am only posting what I have heard. I am not a wum. You can believe it or not, I couldn't care less. I happen to believe what I have been told hence my concern.

[Sour Mash]

WTF

 

I am only posting what I have heard. I am not a wum. You can believe it or not, I couldn't care less. I happen to believe what I have been told hence my concern.

 

If I trusted a source enough to post that info on a public message board with that much certainty I'd happily back it up by saying I'd never post again if it was true. Do you trust your source or not? Roughly what is their role? You say you're not a wind up merchant, but you're just another in a long list of people who are chucking completely unsubstantiated rubbish onto this board. Or can you back up your information?

[CB Saint]

If I trusted a source enough to post that info on a public message board with that much certainty I'd happily back it up by saying I'd never post again if it was true. Do you trust your source or not? Roughly what is their role? You say you're not a wind up merchant, but you're just another in a long list of people who are chucking completely unsubstantiated rubbish onto this board. Or can you back up your information?

 

I can but I won't. AS I said before, believe it or don't believe it, your choice.

[Sour Mash]

I can but I won't. AS I said before, believe it or don't believe it, your choice.

 

Utterly pointless then. You could be completely right, you could be completely wrong. How can anyone on this board make any kind of judgement on the information you have posted without knowing you personally? Just don't get the point.

[suewhistle]

Hammers have just sacked Zola, is that grist to the mill of this thread?

[once_bitterne]

I don't think Hughes would come here. He is about the most in demand manager not currently in a job and must be looking for a Prem role. Not even ML's cash would make him come here.

 

Did anyone else see the piece in yesterdays Mail? I don't have a lot of time for Samuels but he wrote a piece on the Pards being sacked rumours and said he could be replaced by a foreign manager who would be more easy for Cortese to control....

[stmusicdude]

Think Hughes may well take west ham job as only other job that MIGHTcome up is Liverpool & Villa & he wouldnt get liverpool

[Psycrow]

Uncle Avram is the favourite for the WH job

[Give it to Ron]

Weston and Derry (if memory serves me correctly) heard that Hughes may have been at st mary's when saints were playing up at tranmere and that it was suspected that cortese wasn't at tranmere...

 

I also heard it from my nipper whose mates dad was the taxi driver who drove him to the meeting although he was told it was for DOF - Soton cabbies are never wrong are they??

[Glasgow_Saint]

I have heard that NC views not reaching the play offs as a failure and blames AP entirely. I really hope this isn't the case but I trust the source of the info (and no I will not name names). I am becoming concerned.

 

who told you this?

 

please PM me your source.

 

ta

[John Smith]

I do find it funny that some on here 'demand' factual 'evidence' of anything that is quoted. Let's face it, if you knew for fact that something was going on, this would be the 'last' place you'd post it. For one, I'd put a bet on. For 2, I would keep quiet and watch the pantomime go on and maybe drop a couple of ITK statements. But seriously, people on here really want signed statements from board members or managers and then that to be backed up with a taped conversation that is certified as not being tampered with!

 

It's the end of the season, let the rumours begin. Don;t demand what is not available, if you think you know something, share it, it may be right, it may be wrong, who cares, until the World Cup begins next month and if AP isn't dismissed, we have nothing to talk about...

[Sour Mash]

I do find it funny that some on here 'demand' factual 'evidence' of anything that is quoted. Let's face it, if you knew for fact that something was going on, this would be the 'last' place you'd post it. For one, I'd put a bet on. For 2, I would keep quiet and watch the pantomime go on and maybe drop a couple of ITK statements. But seriously, people on here really want signed statements from board members or managers and then that to be backed up with a taped conversation that is certified as not being tampered with!

 

It's the end of the season, let the rumours begin. Don;t demand what is not available, if you think you know something, share it, it may be right, it may be wrong, who cares, until the World Cup begins next month and if AP isn't dismissed, we have nothing to talk about...

 

Who has asked for any of that?

[Matthew Le God]

Uncle Avram is the favourite for the WH job

 

And Pardew has come in from 25/1 to 8/1 3rd favourite.

 

You have to keep in mind this odds are just reflecting the money being put on them. Many punters will just be putting the unrest stories and Pardew's West Ham past together and assuming he is off.

 

I then becomes a snowball effect with money following shortening odds as others think something must be happening if the odds tumble.

Edited 11 May, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Psycrow]

And Pardew has come in from 25/1 to 8/1 3rd favourite.

 

You have to keep in mind this odds are just reflecting the money being put on them. Many punters will just be putting the unrest stories and Pardew's West Ham past together and assuming he is off.

 

Absolutely right. Exactly why nobody should be basing their beliefs on the what the bookies are doing. They're just following the bets, which are following the rumours.

[Gorgiesaint]

As I've posted on the other Zola threads, Ian Abrahams on Talksport (who has good sources inside Upton Park) said this morning that Grant will be unveiled next week.

[The Fat Controller]

I have a gut feeling Pardew may well stay and the meeting on Wednesday is about bringing Mark Hughes in as Director of Football and to plan our promotion campaign, hence why he was down here at the weekend.

 

There is a lot of daft talk going on about the club after a season when we may have under achieved in the league- but football's a game of opinion.When you have spent millions out of your own pocket on buying Saints its obvious you want to see a pretty instant return on your investment - may be Pardew concentrating on the cups rather than the league may prove to be his downfall

[Matthew Le God]

I have a gut feeling Pardew may well stay and the meeting on Wednesday is about bringing Mark Hughes in as Director of Football and to plan our promotion campaign, hence why he was down here at the weekend.

 

What evidence do you have for that? So far all it is is claims by people on this forum.

 

I also very much doubt Mark Hughes would join a League One club as director of football. I doubt the club would meet his wages, or that he would want to be director of football of a League One club(he'd likely be looking for a managerial return) and it is creates tension between him and Pardew if things go badly.

Edited 11 May, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Chin Strain]

I don't think it is an issue of ML or AP, I think it is AP or NC. Given a choice of the two right now I would go for AP. Still, if NC gets rid of him and delivers Prem football in 4 seasons time he can say he was right.

 

I personally think Pardew has done more than enough this year to show he is the man for the job next season and that NC should come out and back him.

 

You're probably right, but why do you think NC has the ear of ML? Because ML trusts him implicitly. Without NC we wouldn't even have ML as NC was the one that stuck the opportunity under his nose. For that reason if NC goes I would feel nervous about how long ML would stay here.

 

I don't think AP should go, and think he deserves the chance next season. But, as someone said on here the other day, it very much depends on who comes in.

 

Ultimately people may differ on who the manager should be, but I would be staggered if NC took any decision that made us weaker for the start of next season. NC wants us to be a PL club asap. So do we.

 

Sure there may be differences in how this is approached, but NC also deserves a bit of trust and respect for actually giving us fans the opportunity to watch a decent team again.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by sadoldgit

I don't think it is an issue of ML or AP, I think it is AP or NC. Given a choice of the two right now I would go for AP. Still, if NC gets rid of him and delivers Prem football in 4 seasons time he can say he was right.

 

I personally think Pardew has done more than enough this year to show he is the man for the job next season and that NC should come out and back him.

You're probably right, but why do you think NC has the ear of ML? Because ML trusts him implicitly. Without NC we wouldn't even have ML as NC was the one that stuck the opportunity under his nose. For that reason if NC goes I would feel nervous about how long ML would stay here.

 

I don't think AP should go, and think he deserves the chance next season. But, as someone said on here the other day, it very much depends on who comes in.

 

Ultimately people may differ on who the manager should be, but I would be staggered if NC took any decision that made us weaker for the start of next season. NC wants us to be a PL club asap. So do we.

 

Sure there may be differences in how this is approached, but NC also deserves a bit of trust and respect for actually giving us fans the opportunity to watch a decent team again.

 

I could not agree more. There is no ego with Cortese, his one aim for the club is success in the most efficient manner. If he truly thought another manager would give him a significant edge, I am sure he would make that decision for the good of the club, not some petty spat. In the grand scheme of things the importance of Pardew relative to Cortese is negligible. Liebherr does not do a thing towards running the club apart from providing the finance. I expect he will have a meeting with everyone where they will tell him how much next season is going to cost and what he will be getting for that money, nothing more.

 

Although Cortese has not provided any finance, his involvement has been crucial for Saints and his continued involvement could still be. As good as Pardew has been, he just does not make it into this picture. Just have a look at everything that has happened to all the league clubs and you will soon see there is a lot you never even dreamt. To say we are lucky with Liebherr is one of the biggest understatements imaginable, with Cortese THE reason it came about and possibly for it's continuation.

[benjii]

I could not agree more. There is no ego with Cortese, his one aim for the club is success in the most efficient manner. If he truly thought another manager would give him a significant edge, I am sure he would make that decision for the good of the club, not some petty spat. In the grand scheme of things the importance of Pardew relative to Cortese is negligible. Liebherr does not do a thing towards running the club apart from providing the finance. I expect he will have a meeting with everyone where they will tell him how much next season is going to cost and what he will be getting for that money, nothing more.

 

Although Cortese has not provided any finance, his involvement has been crucial for Saints and his continued involvement could still be. As good as Pardew has been, he just does not make it into this picture. Just have a look at everything that has happened to all the league clubs and you will soon see there is a lot you never even dreamt. To say we are lucky with Liebherr is one of the biggest understatements imaginable, with Cortese THE reason it came about and possibly for it's continuation.

 

I agree with your sentiments completely.

 

If Pardew were to be sacked I would think he had been hard done by and I would wish him all the best (unless he went to Pompey!). I know, however, that in the long-term Liebherr and Cortese are far more important than Pardew is to Saints.

 

People are justfiably scared of changing managers because we have a recent history (with the notable exception of Crouch's superb appointment of Pearson, and Pards himself) of appointing awful candidates. I am confident any replacement would be a good replacement.

 

By the way, I also don't think Pards will be sacked (although I wouldn't rule out some sort of mutually agreed departure to West Ham).

[up and away]

I agree with your sentiments completely.

 

If Pardew were to be sacked I would think he had been hard done by and I would wish him all the best (unless he went to Pompey!). I know, however, that in the long-term Liebherr and Cortese are far more important than Pardew is to Saints.

 

People are justfiably scared of changing managers because we have a recent history (with the notable exception of Crouch's superb appointment of Pearson, and Pards himself) of appointing awful candidates. I am confident any replacement would be a good replacement.

 

By the way, I also don't think Pards will be sacked (although I wouldn't rule out some sort of mutually agreed departure to West Ham).

 

I don't think the intention at this moment is to sack Pardew but you have highlighted one issue. If Pardew is wanting cast iron guarantees he will not be sacked until given a further 6 months or so, I am not sure Cortese will give him that assurance. If Pardew were then to insist that he should be given the consideration for any approach that is made to him, then I would expect Cortese to bite the bullet and act immediately. I really doubt it would come about in such an agriculture fashion, but something more subtle along those lines could well promote action.

[hypochondriac]

If we get promotion next season and the prem in 4 years then frankly I don't care who is in charge.

[aintforever]

We all know how important Leibherr and Cortese are to SFC, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have an opinion.

 

I think it would be crazy because the team are playing well, the fans like him, the players like him and everything is set up to produce a winning side next year.

 

Also I think it's fair to give him a pre-season to mould his team how he wants and I don't think it sets a good example as a company if you show zero loyalty and sack people at he drop of a hat, it works both ways. If you want your staff, supporters etc to stay loyal don't ditch people at the first opportunity. Chuck Pards on the managerial scrap heap and Lambert might just think, **** you I'm off too.

[John Smith]

Who has asked for any of that?

 

I was going to attach all the quotes but then found there were far too many for me to bother and it would look like I was being OTT. Read the thread, you'll happily find a number of requests for proof or evidence.

 

I see you have made a few posts on this site, if you are here in the summer months, you'll know what I am saying is perfectly reasonable. Some people demand proof or evidence, I'm just stating it is unlikely 'any' information posted on here first is going to be nailed on.

 

Should have gone to 'SpecSavers'...

[saint_stevo]

Pardew now out to 20's with PaddyPower for West Ham job, 26's with Ladbrokes.

 

Hughes second favourite at 9/2

 

http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-specials/manager-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=86314

[Sour Mash]

I was going to attach all the quotes but then found there were far too many for me to bother and it would look like I was being OTT. Read the thread, you'll happily find a number of requests for proof or evidence.

 

I see you have made a few posts on this site, if you are here in the summer months, you'll know what I am saying is perfectly reasonable. Some people demand proof or evidence, I'm just stating it is unlikely 'any' information posted on here first is going to be nailed on.

 

Should have gone to 'SpecSavers'...[/QUOTE]

 

Ha ha, yeah you should have. There is plenty of people who are bored to death of posters on this site posting completely unsubstantiated rubbish. No one is asking for "signed evidence" or anything of the like, just not endless, speculative posts that do not in any way contribute towards our actual knowledge on the subject matter. Fair enough if people want to do it, but have the guts to put your balls on the line if you do so and back up what you're saying in some way, other wise it makes the posting completely pointless.

 

I am well aware what happens on this and many other forums, especially during the summer months and I accept there will always be speculation.

[NickG]

my guess for summer

 

Pardew will stay

 

we will sign RB, CM

 

Lambert will stay as will Fonte and Puncheon

 

Lallana / Schneiderlin will probably stay but could end up at a lower prem side.

[Window Cleaner]

My guess for the summer! if Ladbrokes suspend all bets like it says in the title they will go broke.

[Window Cleaner]

Keep up - since the OPs brothers girlfriends sisters dogs adopted son tried to put a bet on earlier today. ADMIN PLEASE LOCK THE THREAD - TIS POINTLESS UNFOUNDED DRIVEL (and loads of other threads yesterday and today covering the same ground)

 

 

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