Ladbrokes suspend all bets

alpine_saint · 10 May, 2010

Cortese should hang his head in shame.

Yeah. He only rescued the club. Wot a bastard.

tisspahars · 10 May, 2010

To respond to the Ladbrokes bit - my (extremely well educated) guess is that the truth of the matter is that rather than Ladbrokes "suspending betting" which sounds very dramatic, it merely wasn't something they had a market on and they advised this guy to try an independent rather than a national bookie to get his bet on. In what market would they have been betting exactly? They wouldn't hold a "next Saints manager" market before Pardew went, and they wouldn't hold a "next div 1 manager to go" market in the post season. And they certainly certainly wouldn't have an individual "will he go" market for a Div 1 manager. The Ladbrokes thing is a red herring imo....

tisspahars · 10 May, 2010

I wish i'd read your post before bothering with mine, Verbal!

The9 · 10 May, 2010

The poin is. After 4 major signings in jan. We could not get any better

Record after first 23 matches :

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280~20091226,00.html

Pld 23 W 10 D 8 L 5 FA 41-27 Pts 38

Record in the last 23 matches

Pld 23 W 13 D 6 L 4 FA 44-20 Pts 45

I've removed the -10 altogether as a constant applied throughout the whole season.

So we won more matches, drew fewer, lost fewer, scored more, conceded less and got more points in the second half of the season than in the first half.

Exactly what measure of "getting better" are you using ?

The9 · 10 May, 2010

Hughes had Mega Money at Man City ...... and FAILED

Yeah terrible failure, considering where they were the season before, and all of the success Mancini has brought since... :confused:

Don't get "sacked by a bunch of impatient money men with no knowledge of football" confused with failure. Hughes is an excellent manager who has had successes everywhere he's managed.

Which is not to say I'd rather he took over from Pardew at the moment, I have every faith in the job Pardew has done so far and is doing, and I'd rather he didn't.

Micky · 10 May, 2010

Today I am mostly agreeing with Delldays.

Ummm, bad day huh.....???

Giordano · 10 May, 2010

New bosses same as the old bosses.

Four legs good, two legs bad.

Is it worth supporting a club that has no values anymore. That does not understand or care for loyalty? If the club has not got those values anymore then its not sfc.

I support the principles of SFC, namely a hants based family club that plays open attractive football in good humour and with flair. A club known for its hospitality and formerly a favourite other team for many because of our style of play, particularly because of our defiance and courage repeatedly in the face of adversity. Great and loyal supporters, faithful forever.

If we ditch Pardew "for not getting promoted" this year gone past ( and in the absence of other stuff i dont know about) then the club is reduced to being run by a bunch of cu@ts who dont give a fig for the values.

They may as well have let us die back them instead of turning us into the term of abuse most hurled at us - scum. If we ditch Pardew like that then we are well worthy of the title.

The9 · 10 May, 2010

More to the point, are any bookies taking bets on Pardew still being Saints manager in August, and what ridiculously ungenerous odds would you get when trying to bet on that one ?

Anyone remember the Skate on here claiming Redknapp would get the boot at Pompey the week of the Panorama bung programme ? He only lasted about another 18 months before leaving of his own accord...

Crispypie · 10 May, 2010

I thought Hughes was a t**t when he played against us,

I thought Hughes was a t**t when he played for(?) us,

I thought Hughes was a t**t when he managed,

I still thinks he's a t**t,

No thanks

Badger · 10 May, 2010

I thought Hughes was a t**t when he played against us,
I thought Hughes was a t**t when he played for(?) us,
I thought Hughes was a t**t when he managed,
I still thinks he's a t**t,

No thanks

Totally agree.

Or as David Mellor used to say on 606 "thats a very good point and eloquently argued".

SaintNeil90 · 10 May, 2010

Complete ********! I work there and they never had a market for this and they wouldnt open one either!

SaintNeil90 · 10 May, 2010

To respond to the Ladbrokes bit - my (extremely well educated) guess is that the truth of the matter is that rather than Ladbrokes "suspending betting" which sounds very dramatic, it merely wasn't something they had a market on and they advised this guy to try an independent rather than a national bookie to get his bet on. In what market would they have been betting exactly? They wouldn't hold a "next Saints manager" market before Pardew went, and they wouldn't hold a "next div 1 manager to go" market in the post season. And they certainly certainly wouldn't have an individual "will he go" market for a Div 1 manager. The Ladbrokes thing is a red herring imo....

This is correct

Toadhall Saint · 10 May, 2010

Complete ********! I work there and they never had a market for this and they wouldnt open one either!

Lets close the thread.

Matthew Le God · 10 May, 2010

New bosses same as the old bosses.
Four legs good, two legs bad.

Is it worth supporting a club that has no values anymore. That does not understand or care for loyalty? If the club has not got those values anymore then its not sfc.

I support the principles of SFC, namely a hants based family club that plays open attractive football in good humour and with flair. A club known for its hospitality and formerly a favourite other team for many because of our style of play, particularly because of our defiance and courage repeatedly in the face of adversity. Great and loyal supporters, faithful forever.

If we ditch Pardew "for not getting promoted" this year gone past ( and in the absence of other stuff i dont know about) then the club is reduced to being run by a bunch of cu@ts who dont give a fig for the values.

They may as well have let us die back them instead of turning us into the term of abuse most hurled at us - scum. If we ditch Pardew like that then we are well worthy of the title.

But what if Pardew agreed to getting extra funds in January on the condition that he'd finish in the playoffs? He "may" have dug the hole for himself.

Norwich have spent no where near what Pardew has on players and backroom staff. Paul Lambert had no pre season with the team and joined 3 weeks later than Pardew joined Saints and also after a 7-1 home defeat. Norwich were also a mess in the summer in terms of their squad.

Take 10 points away from Norwich and they are still 1st.

Take 10 points away from Saints and they are 7th.

I don't want Pardew to go, but he should have done better given the gulf in resources at his disposal compared to the 23 other clubs in League One. Stick with him and Saints "should" win the league. But a "possible" agreement in January that Pardew has now broken may mean that Cortese has a reason to let him go.

Edited 10 May, 2010 by Matthew Le God

Thedelldays · 10 May, 2010

But what if Pardew agreed to getting extra funds in January on the condition that he'd finish in the playoffs. He "may" have dug the hole for himself.

Norwich have spent no where near what Pardew has on players and backroom staff. Paul Lambert had no pre season with the team and joined 3 weeks later than Pardew joined Saints and also after a 7-1 home defeat. Norwich were also a mess in the summer in terms of their squad.

Take 10 points away from Norwich and they are still 1st.
Take 10 points away from Saints and they are 7th.

I don't want Pardew to go, but he should have done better given the gulf in resources at his disposal compared to the 23 other clubs in League One. Stick with him and Saints "should" win the league. But a possible agreement in January that Pardew has now broken may mean that Cortese has a reason to let him go.

Very very well put

scotty · 10 May, 2010

Very very well put

...and regarding the first paragraph, entirely speculative.

chrisobee · 10 May, 2010

...and regarding the first paragraph, entirely speculative.

You mean pretty much like all of this thread

JibMcdo · 10 May, 2010

Very very well put

I'm interested in your response to The9's post above directed to you.

Matthew Le God · 10 May, 2010

...and regarding the first paragraph, entirely speculative.

I did use the terms "what if" and "may".

It has been confirmed by Cortese in interview that the club spent more in January than intended originally. It is out of this world to speculate that the additional spending came with conditions.

Sour Mash · 10 May, 2010

New bosses same as the old bosses.
Four legs good, two legs bad.

Is it worth supporting a club that has no values anymore. That does not understand or care for loyalty? If the club has not got those values anymore then its not sfc.

I support the principles of SFC, namely a hants based family club that plays open attractive football in good humour and with flair. A club known for its hospitality and formerly a favourite other team for many because of our style of play, particularly because of our defiance and courage repeatedly in the face of adversity. Great and loyal supporters, faithful forever.

If we ditch Pardew "for not getting promoted" this year gone past ( and in the absence of other stuff i dont know about) then the club is reduced to being run by a bunch of cu@ts who dont give a fig for the values.

They may as well have let us die back them instead of turning us into the term of abuse most hurled at us - scum. If we ditch Pardew like that then we are well worthy of the title.

Yet another lunatic on the forum. :smt038

Sour Mash · 10 May, 2010

I thought Hughes was a t**t when he played against us,
I thought Hughes was a t**t when he played for(?) us,
I thought Hughes was a t**t when he managed,
I still thinks he's a t**t,

No thanks

Are you honestly saying you would be unhappy with Mark Hughes being Saints manager? Plenty of people I would class as tw**s have made great managers.

dubai_phil · 10 May, 2010

But what if Pardew agreed to getting extra funds in January on the condition that he'd finish in the playoffs? He "may" have dug the hole for himself.

Norwich have spent no where near what Pardew has on players and backroom staff. Paul Lambert had no pre season with the team and joined 3 weeks later than Pardew joined Saints and also after a 7-1 home defeat. Norwich were also a mess in the summer in terms of their squad.

Take 10 points away from Norwich and they are still 1st.
Take 10 points away from Saints and they are 7th.

I don't want Pardew to go, but he should have done better given the gulf in resources at his disposal compared to the 23 other clubs in League One. Stick with him and Saints "should" win the league. But a "possible" agreement in January that Pardew has now broken may mean that Cortese has a reason to let him go.

Fair and true.

However in comparison what quad did Norwich START the season with? Did they retain the bulk of their CCC squad or was it torn to pieces?

We started with a squad that was not good enough for the CCC and lost Surman, Dyer, McGoldrought, BWP, our loan defenders and others.

saintray · 10 May, 2010

I feel this is a load of tosh, I work for ladbrokes and There is no evidence we are ever taking bets on this let alone suspending them. Unless this was just a southampton area bet?

Saint Fan CaM · 10 May, 2010

But what if Pardew agreed to getting extra funds in January on the condition that he'd finish in the playoffs? He "may" have dug the hole for himself.

Norwich have spent no where near what Pardew has on players and backroom staff. Paul Lambert had no pre season with the team and joined 3 weeks later than Pardew joined Saints and also after a 7-1 home defeat. Norwich were also a mess in the summer in terms of their squad.

Take 10 points away from Norwich and they are still 1st.
Take 10 points away from Saints and they are 7th.

I don't want Pardew to go, but he should have done better given the gulf in resources at his disposal compared to the 23 other clubs in League One. Stick with him and Saints "should" win the league. But a "possible" agreement in January that Pardew has now broken may mean that Cortese has a reason to let him go.

Sorry, but that arguement is flawed....

a. You cannot isolate Norwich and Saints because of the -10 pt deduction alone - the reason Saints didn't get into the play-offs actually was because 6 other teams had VERY good seasons. AP could do NOTHING about that, because we beat most of those teams anyway!

b. We started the season with a poor, poor squad. AP has had to spend significant money to persuade decent players to come here to get us into a mentality and league position that MIGHT be able to gain promotion at the first attempt. The squad was SERIOUSLY damaged goods when he arrived on the scene and without the significant changes he's made we would not be anywhere near the play-offs - in fact we would quite likely be relegated again.

Window Cleaner · 10 May, 2010

Fair and true.

However in comparison what quad did Norwich START the season with? Did they retain the bulk of their CCC squad or was it torn to pieces?

We started with a squad that was not good enough for the CCC and lost Surman, Dyer, McGoldrought, BWP, our loan defenders and others.

Norwich signed a lot of players last summer, unfortunately Gunn didn't know what to do with them, Lambert obviously did. I think they had virtually a whole new defence, a loan keeper and Holt was definitely signed only last summer.

No idea what they spent but doubt if it was very much.

benjii · 10 May, 2010

New bosses same as the old bosses.
Four legs good, two legs bad.

Is it worth supporting a club that has no values anymore. That does not understand or care for loyalty? If the club has not got those values anymore then its not sfc.

I support the principles of SFC, namely a hants based family club that plays open attractive football in good humour and with flair. A club known for its hospitality and formerly a favourite other team for many because of our style of play, particularly because of our defiance and courage repeatedly in the face of adversity. Great and loyal supporters, faithful forever.

If we ditch Pardew "for not getting promoted" this year gone past ( and in the absence of other stuff i dont know about) then the club is reduced to being run by a bunch of cu@ts who dont give a fig for the values.

They may as well have let us die back them instead of turning us into the term of abuse most hurled at us - scum. If we ditch Pardew like that then we are well worthy of the title.

What a drama queen.

SaintRichmond · 10 May, 2010

Are you honestly saying you would be unhappy with Mark Hughes being Saints manager? Plenty of people I would class as tw**s have made great managers.

With Mark Hughes incredible list of Managerial achievements, (highlighted by the almost complete Team at Man City ), who he led to a massive Top Ten in the Prem ......... no wonder Saints are after him

He LOOKS miserable, and he IS miserable .......... but if Cortese is stupid enough to think he could do a job for us, there is not a lot that us FANS can do abouy it

Back to the Dark Ages IMHO:cool:

SaintRichmond · 10 May, 2010

Yeah terrible failure, considering where they were the season before, and all of the success Mancini has brought since... :confused:

Don't get "sacked by a bunch of impatient money men with no knowledge of football" confused with failure. Hughes is an excellent manager who has had successes everywhere he's managed.

Which is not to say I'd rather he took over from Pardew at the moment, I have every faith in the job Pardew has done so far and is doing, and I'd rather he didn't.

KIndly elaborate ..... my memory has dimmed:cool:

Sour Mash · 10 May, 2010

With Mark Hughes incredible list of Managerial achievements, (highlighted by the almost complete Team at Man City ), who he led to a massive Top Ten in the Prem ......... no wonder Saints are after him

He LOOKS miserable, and he IS miserable .......... but if Cortese is stupid enough to think he could do a job for us, there is not a lot that us FANS can do abouy it

Back to the Dark Ages IMHO:cool:

OK, first of all, we could be debating about nothing, this is still all wild speculation and rumour.

Secondly, Hughes did well at Wales and VERY WELL at Blackburn. Hard to judge him on the short time he had at Man City, I'm not sure how much he was "managing" at the end and how much he was having "star" players such as Robinho forced on him. Still he didn't do too badly and Mancini hasn't done so much better.

Thirdly, if it wasn't for Cortese we wouldn't have Liebherr, Pardew, Lambert etc, etc. It's largely due to him, that we're in a position where we can be massively ambitious. I want us to keep Pardew, but if someone in a far better position than any of us decides that for whatever reason it's time for a change, then as unfortunate it may be for AP, I'll certainly back it.

70's Mike · 10 May, 2010

NC/ML can do what they like with the club but imo appointing Hughes, who has no experience of lower league football as a manager or player, would be a backward step.

AP should be given to 1St december to work with the squad he built i have not read anything on here which proves to me that Hughes is a better manager than Pardew in repect of league one

Red&White · 10 May, 2010

With Mark Hughes incredible list of Managerial achievements, (highlighted by the almost complete Team at Man City ), who he led to a massive Top Ten in the Prem ......... no wonder Saints are after him

He LOOKS miserable, and he IS miserable .......... but if Cortese is stupid enough to think he could do a job for us, there is not a lot that us FANS can do abouy it

Back to the Dark Ages IMHO:cool:

Agree totally :smt038

doubleonothing · 10 May, 2010

My Swansea City supporting mate informs me that Hughes is in the running to go there if Souza gets the boot.

Not sure if there is anything in this - just reporting what he told me!

OOO

saint_stevo · 10 May, 2010

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/alanpardew/

LOL

Edited 10 May, 2010 by saint_stevo

saintkiptanui · 10 May, 2010

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/alanpardew/

FFS what a load of boll*cks. Why doesn't evryone just shut the f*ck up and leave the chairman to it??? bunch of gimps.

saint_stevo · 10 May, 2010

pretty much what i thought.

although i am sure an online petition will really help sway him one way or another......lol

saintkiptanui · 10 May, 2010

pretty much what i thought.

although i am sure an online petition will really help sway him one way or another......lol

Facebook group as well that wants to march to St mary's and protest, what a bunch of morons, I don't think they realise without uncle Markus we would have been f*cked.

darren1 · 10 May, 2010

Ok so I've skipped a lot of the [posts so forgive if I've missed something, but WTF has Mark Hughes ever done in football apart from spend a lot of money and nearly get all of his clubs relegated??

Thedelldays · 10 May, 2010

Ok so I've skipped a lot of the [posts so forgive if I've missed something, but WTF has Mark Hughes ever done in football apart from spend a lot of money and nearly get all of his clubs relegated??

remind me which clubs have been relegated..?

saint_stevo · 10 May, 2010

he did pretty well at Blackburn.....not bad at Wales either and barely had a shocker at Citeh really eh

derry · 10 May, 2010

Record after first 23 matches :
http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10280~20091226,00.html

Pld 23 W 10 D 8 L 5 FA 41-27 Pts 38

Record in the last 23 matches
Pld 23 W 13 D 6 L 4 FA 44-20 Pts 45

I've removed the -10 altogether as a constant applied throughout the whole season.

So we won more matches, drew fewer, lost fewer, scored more, conceded less and got more points in the second half of the season than in the first half.

Exactly what measure of "getting better" are you using ?

It's the fact we made no improvement on our position relative to the play off places since Christmas. After 23 matches - 7 points behind, after 46 matches and a expensively strengthened team, still 7 points behind.

sotonist · 10 May, 2010

Ok so I've skipped a lot of the [posts so forgive if I've missed something, but WTF has Mark Hughes ever done in football apart from spend a lot of money and nearly get all of his clubs relegated??

guiding blackburn to safety followed by three top ten finishes = almost relegated?

mcjwills · 10 May, 2010

It's the fact we made no improvement on our position relative to the play off places since Christmas. After 23 matches - 7 points behind, after 46 matches and a expensively strengthened team, still 7 points behind.

Most of the teams in the playoffs have showed that they have had potentially automatic promotion, as there was only four points between 2nd & 5th the gap and six points down to 6th position.

In 2005/2006 the gap was 8 points

In 2006/2007 the gap was 10 points,

In 2007/2008 the gap was 6 points,

In 2008/2009 the gap was 13 points.

The problem we had that this season the league was very strong, and our 10 point deduction was too much to catch up. the 7 point behind at the end that we were after 23 games showed even with a good run at the playoffs all the other strong teams were having a good run as well.

benjii · 10 May, 2010

It's the fact we made no improvement on our position relative to the play off places since Christmas. After 23 matches - 7 points behind, after 46 matches and a expensively strengthened team, still 7 points behind.

FFS

But we improved. If other teams maintained top form then obviously we weren't going to catch them.

FFS

If only we'd played with a bit more width and pace....

benjii · 10 May, 2010

I see mcjwills bothered to spell it out in a bit more detail.

Badger · 10 May, 2010

My Swansea City supporting mate informs me that Hughes is in the running to go there if Souza gets the boot.

Not sure if there is anything in this - just reporting what he told me!

OOO

I too hope he goes to Swansea...or West Ham...or Villa or whoever but not us.

Badger · 10 May, 2010

Most of the teams in the playoffs have showed that they have had potentially automatic promotion, as there was only four points between 2nd & 5th the gap and six points down to 6th position.

In 2005/2006 the gap was 8 points
In 2006/2007 the gap was 10 points,
In 2007/2008 the gap was 6 points,
In 2008/2009 the gap was 13 points.

The problem we had that this season the league was very strong, and our 10 point deduction was too much to catch up. the 7 point behind at the end that we were after 23 games showed even with a good run at the playoffs all the other strong teams were having a good run as well.

Interesting stats there.

Personally,I saw the -10pts as a (not insurmountable)handicap.I consider the lack of pre-season sorting and first 5 weeks of the season where AP was seeking to put together his squad as our undoing.

Thedelldays · 10 May, 2010

I too hope he goes to Swansea...or West Ham...or Villa or whoever but not us.

would you back him if he did come to us..?

Badger · 10 May, 2010

would you back him if he did come to us..?

Yes.I have followed Saints for too long not to support the team because of a managerial appointment that I was not keen on.Lets be honest after Branfoot,and some of the other flawed selections (Gray,Wigley) we have all had plenty of practice in putting aside our doubts and grievances.

Thedelldays · 10 May, 2010

Yes.I have followed Saints for too long not to support the team because of a managerial appointment that I was not keen on.Lets be honest after Branfoot,and some of the other flawed selections (Gray,Wigley) we have all had plenty of practice in putting aside our doubts and grievances.

fair enough..if the unthinkable happend...I wonder how many on here would quickly go against NC..which IMO would be plain stupid right now

Badger · 10 May, 2010

fair enough..if the unthinkable happend...I wonder how many on here would quickly go against NC..which IMO would be plain stupid right now

If NC axes AP then I expect the reasons,as I think you stated on an earlier post,may well not solely be due to results and progress but a conflict along the way.Shame if it happens and I hope it does not.

I will however await NC's 'Plan B' though before going off on one.

Lets remember above all else the debt of gratitude we owe NC and ML from 12months ago.

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