Ladbrokes suspend all bets

[Window Cleaner]

Whether this is true or not I don't know, but I don't feel that Cortese is backing Pardew 100% and get a feeling that we might have another manager this summer.

 

 

 

Can't really see that myself. The only reason that I could see that would provoke the sacking of AP is that the money spent during the season HAD to produce at least a place in the play-offs.

 

4 million £ is a lot of money for our level and it could just be that it had a hangman's rope attached to it.Ruthless to be sure but possible I suppose.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

I am sure all this is rumour mill bullsh1t and we should stop perpetuating it by starting threads, calling 606 etc. If Pardew stays, we go up next season imo. If he goes, a rebuilding process starts and it won't matter if it's Hughes, Hoddle or fecking Mourinho - we would stand less chance of going up than if we have stability and Pardew. FFS have we learnt nothing?

[Window Cleaner]

I am sure all this is rumour mill bullsh1t and we should stop perpetuating it by starting threads, calling 606 etc.

 

 

 

And exactly what are we supposed to do with our spare time until pre-season starts?;)

[sammysaint]

Mark Hughes done very well with blackburn and i feel this season done well with city and was harshly sacked, but makes me laugh how he was anoyed how he was treated and the same thing is happening to AP, i wonder what the players think are they all behind the manager?.

 

Thank You AP your a legend IMO we have had 2 good managers since WGS who would of taken us back to promise lands of championship table topping and the prem league, AP NP were not given time disgraceful power heads Lowe and NC to Blame.

[rolosfc]

I would keep Pardew over Hughes in the lower leagues any day. You can see by his signings already in Lambert Punch and Fonte that he knows how to spot a player at this level.

 

I very much doubt Hughes would come to us anyway, surely he would get a better offer from a Prem club. If we got rid of Pardew now it would rank up there with Sturrock and Pearson leaving, both totally unjustified and landed us in a mess.

 

I thought these days were over after getting rid of Lowe but maybe not.

[Window Cleaner]

Mark Hughes done very well with blackburn and i feel this season done well with city and was harshly sacked, but makes me laugh how he was anoyed how he was treated and the same thing is happening to AP, i wonder what the players think are they all behind the manager?.

 

Thank You AP your a legend IMO we have had 2 good managers since WGS who would of taken us back to promise lands of championship table topping and the prem league, AP NP were not given time disgraceful power heads Lowe and NC to Blame.

 

 

 

Mark Hughes suffered from all the players that were foisted onto him because the Sheikh Whatisname fancied splashing a shedload of cash to prove that he was the bee's danglers.He had players who had no real competence to play in the EPL, ball jugglers,pi*ss artists and one goal wonders.

 

I saw an interview given by Torres the other day, he says that you have to be really apt to succeed in the EPL and that you need to count on a packet of injuries every season because of the pace and ferocity of the game. Wenger says it takes 18 months at least to adapt to the pace of the game.

[dubai_phil]

OK you local uberfans in Woolston. It's gone 9am, get useful and bumble down to the local Ladbrokes and get some independent confirmation for us.

 

We'd try and Google it ourselves, but as you know we get hit by a Swat Team Raid for just thinking the word Gam*le let alone typing it into Google

[doddisalegend]

It might be Pardew's been offered another job and we're looking to replace him. Coventry?

 

No Mk Dons

[Master Bates]

Can I have a go?

 

No, Real Madrid

[torsaint]

Six months ago Cameron was certain to win in a landslide. So, all bets were off. Look what happened there.

[Window Cleaner]

Six months ago Cameron was certain to win in a landslide. So, all bets were off. Look what happened there.

 

But he did win the election...in England, in fact the UK will now be possibly partially governed by separatists from various provinces who will no doubt profit from the situation to obtain outrageous amounts of money in various "development" packages for their scrawny (and costly) regions.I do not believe that the Conservatives and Democrats will reach an acceptable deal so Brown will continue to do his diabolical worst at the expense of the(English) taxpayer..

Edited 10 May, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[alpine_saint]

Personally, I consider this to be very bad news. There seems to be so much rumour doing the rounds that something is going to happen - no smoke without fire...

 

AP hasnt done enough for me to get the whole of next season; I have some worries about his tactics and ability to motivate the team for 2 matches a week, especially when the first one is a mid-winter trip to a northern sh*t-hole with a cow field of a pitch, but he also has not done enough wrong for me to be replaced this summer. If it was not for the -10 points, we would have been promoted.

 

NC isnt stupid; even if he is impatient, I feel he will appreciate what AP achieved last year.

 

BUT

 

Maybe the trust has gone - what if he made it clear that promotion was the goal this season, and AP ignored him and focussed on the cups, and then AP manipulated the fan base with his "poor me, I'm under pressure" comments to the press ?

 

Working partnerships are complex issues, and maybe NC doesnt have the confidence in AP he should have.

[stmusicdude]

Personally, I consider this to be very bad news. There seems to be so much rumour doing the rounds that something is going to happen - no smoke without fire...

 

AP hasnt done enough for me to get the whole of next season; I have some worries about his tactics and ability to motivate the team for 2 matches a week, especially when the first one is a mid-winter trip to a northern sh*t-hole with a cow field of a pitch, but he also has not done enough wrong for me to be replaced this summer. If it was not for the -10 points, we would have been promoted.

 

NC isnt stupid; even if he is impatient, I feel he will appreciate what AP achieved last year.

 

BUT

 

Maybe the trust has gone - what if he made it clear that promotion was the goal this season, and AP ignored him and focussed on the cups, and then AP manipulated the fan base with his "poor me, I'm under pressure" comments to the press ?

 

Working partnerships are complex issues, and maybe NC doesnt have the confidence in AP he should have.

 

wow great post mr!

[John B]

wow great post mr!

 

My sentiments too

[alpine_saint]

wow great post mr!

 

Sarcasm ?

[stmusicdude]

No alps i meant it dude

[stmusicdude]

The ONLY thing I keep thinking is when AP went in dec early jan for more players he made the mistake f saying this will get us in the top 6 & has been taken at his word?

[alpine_saint]

The ONLY thing I keep thinking is when AP went in dec early jan for more players he made the mistake f saying this will get us in the top 6 & has been taken at his word?

 

I would hazard a guess here : yes.

[Colinjb]

My sentiments too

 

I agree, a very good and balanced post Alpine.

 

I personally feel Pards should have the full 18 months he seemingly was initially given so that we can see if he can carry the good form we've had into the new season, it would be a great shame if he left after only allowed to do 'half' the job.

[Window Cleaner]

I agree, a very good and balanced post Alpine.

 

I personally feel Pards should have the full 18 months he seemingly was initially given so that we can see if he can carry the good form we've had into the new season, it would be a great shame if he left after only allowed to do 'half' the job.

 

for me that would depend on exactly how much more money he thinks he needs to get the job done.

I think we've spent far more this season than the final product merits.

 

If he is now saying (for example) that he needs to spend another 1.5 million on players and contract another 1 million a season on wages and bonuses then I"d tell him to get lost.

[miserableoldgit]

I agree, a very good and balanced post Alpine.

 

I personally feel Pards should have the full 18 months he seemingly was initially given so that we can see if he can carry the good form we've had into the new season, it would be a great shame if he left after only allowed to do 'half' the job.

Bloody Hell!! Seven words I never thought I would see in the same sentence!! What`s even more surprising is that I agree with them!!

[stmusicdude]

it's still just rumour but Mark Hughes would worry me. One the one hand it would show intent i guess on the other I worry what he could do in league 1. Either way while I might disagree with what happens ( we dont really know yet) Who ever is in charge will get my support at the games next season unless we start playing crap every game.

 

How ironic I moaned at Alps & can see me moaning If who ever comes in dosent start delivering lol oops my bad

 

To me the stupidness of it is we DO now have to stay another season who ever is in charge. I think AP has proved he has a shot at it & a good chance so why change? unless it's coz you said bla bla? that doesnt smell of sensible successfull business to me it more like a child!

 

I think the programme issue is unrelated. has NOTHING to do with what's going on in my view. Nor does ML not turning up The biggest indicator to me is the refusal to comment at all. They KNOW it's unhelpful

[stmusicdude]

Bloody Hell!! Seven words I never thought I would see in the same sentence!! What`s even more surprising is that I agree with them!!

it's ok disagreeing with ppl as long as if they post something you agree with & that's good tell them it was a bloody good post

[Saint Fan CaM]

There is one huge reason why AP should be given more time - MOMENTUM. No matter who the manager might be, he will need time to build up momentum in tactics, team mentality, coaching disciplines etc etc. AP has done that - ticked all the boxes - and to discard that for the sake of 6 months when we're one year into a 5 year plan would IMO be incredibly short-sighted and foolhardy at best. I just cannot believe NC would contemplate this scenario at this stage of the big plan unless there is something personal going on with AP - not out of the question I suppose, but I suspect it's all rumour mill nonsense.

[Frank's cousin]

for me that would depend on exactly how much more money he thinks he needs to get the job done.

I think we've spent far more this season than the final product merits.

 

If he is now saying (for example) that he needs to spend another 1.5 million on players and contract another 1 million a season on wages and bonuses then I"d tell him to get lost.

 

Thing is you really ahve to look at what has been achived AFTER that money was spent - not over the whole season, eg at the start when the squad was quite different and the starting 11 over those first 10 games now almost unrecognisable... If you look at what has been axchieved say since the end of October and certainly since we got passed the 0 points marker we have averages over 2 points a game which is championship winning form and won a cup... Yes its possible that had we ignored the cups etc, and pards had done this or that, we should have made the playoffs but in any other season we would have and this season went against us as the teams in those positions had equal good runs... so IMHO, it was not the odd slip up, which is what most are blaming it on, but the period of rebuilding that led to a poor start that is th reason we missed out...

 

Now, I also at times have questioned Pards tactics, but thats the naure of football fans, but for me his achievements warrant another go, football logioc dictates continuity so deserves another go, but in the end it will all come down to what he agreed with NC...

 

... the question really is, what is the REAL scenario, the silence we have at the moment indicating the dissapointment and friction, or the hugs alround at Wembley?

[buctootim]

wow great post mr!

 

My sentiments too

 

Sarcasm ?

 

No alps i meant it dude

 

I thought it was a very good post too. See Alpine, people hate your (usual) lack of balance, not you!

[derry]

At times we played some decent stuff but also some route one rubbish. We were tactically exposed in some games such as Brighton (h), Swindon (h) and poor in a number of away games against poor opposition.

 

Alan Pardew did a decent enough job in division one bearing in mind the ability we were able to sign. Is he replaceable? Of course he is.

 

What we should really be concerned about is Markus Leibherr not enjoying owning Southampton FC. He has already said he would only be interested in owning the club if Nicola Cortese ran it on his behalf.

 

As far as I am concerned the two people we don't want to upset are ML and NC. If they don't like Alan Pardew for whatever reasons and they want to make a change then that's fine by me. Given a choice between ML/NC and Alan Pardew there is no contest.

[capitalsaint]

At times we played some decent stuff but also some route one rubbish. We were tactically exposed in some games such as Brighton (h), Swindon (h) and poor in a number of away games against poor opposition.

 

Alan Pardew did a decent enough job in division one bearing in mind the ability we were able to sign. Is he replaceable? Of course he is.

 

What we should really be concerned about is Markus Leibherr not enjoying owning Southampton FC. He has already said he would only be interested in owning the club if Nicola Cortese ran it on his behalf.

 

As far as I am concerned the two people we don't want to upset are ML and NC. If they don't like Alan Pardew for whatever reasons and they want to make a change then that's fine by me. Given a choice between ML/NC and Alan Pardew there is no contest.

 

i'm with you, people talk of making short-sighted decisions, but to side with a replaceable manager against one-of-a-kind billionaire owner and chairman would be the most short sighted decision of all! we're not in the premier league, we are in league 1, there ought to be plenty of managers who could get the highest spending team out of the league. I repeat, pardew has done well, but plenty others could with these resources.

[SaintRichmond]

Your right Hughes has no League 1 experience but could NC's thinking be that as our aim is the prem get in a prem manager now so we don't have to replace (cotterill) when we make the Prem?

 

For me this shouldn't even be on the agenda, Pardew deserves at least another year!

 

This whole situation does not make sense

 

One of the things that we all applauded re Leibherr and Cortese was that they seemed honest blokes with what they themselves stated was a FIVE YEAR PLAN

 

They also stated that Pardew's position would be reveiwed after EIGHTEEN MONTHS

 

The simple fact is, that if they renage on what they have categorically stated, then, in plain English, they will be seen to be liars

 

I personally don't think they are that, but what do others think??? :cool:

[DT]

Me too.

I would add my suspicion that a possible reason for all of this is that - maybe - Pards did talk to West Ham about taking over from Zola until the little Italian clung on, and that NC either was told or found out. I think it also possible that Pards has agreed to go or NC has asked Hughes to take over as his 'punishment'. When it gets this complex, I'd say relations have broken down.

Mind you, could all be balls and just our/my paranoia. I'm not a massive fan of Pards but would opt for a bit of stability right now, certainly over Hughes, who I remember seemingly not really trying for us under Dave Jones (over 50 apps, two goals), and creating hostility in the dressing room, largely because of the wages he was taking.

[Window Cleaner]

Me too.

I would add my suspicion that a possible reason for all of this is that - maybe - Pards did talk to West Ham about taking over from Zola until the little Italian clung on, and that NC either was told or found out. I think it also possible that Pards has agreed to go or NC has asked Hughes to take over as his 'punishment'. When it gets this complex, I'd say relations have broken down.

Mind you, could all be balls and just our/my paranoia. I'm not a massive fan of Pards but would opt for a bit of stability right now, certainly over Hughes, who I remember seemingly not really trying for us under Dave Jones (over 50 apps, two goals), and creating hostility in the dressing room, largely because of the wages he was taking.

 

I doubt that, if any friction exists it's about money spent and results obtained.

We are only top of our league in 1 respect, money spent and salarial mass.

[buctootim]

They also stated that Pardew's position would be reveiwed after EIGHTEEN MONTHS

 

The simple fact is, that if they renage on what they have categorically stated, then, in plain English, they will be seen to be liars

 

I personally don't think they are that, but what do others think??? :cool:

 

Based purely on the state of the team now, and second half of the season performaces I think AP has done a very good job. No-one really knows what else has gone on though - if anything (maybe the rumours are bull****). The rumours would only make sense if AP had given categorical assurances he hasnt delivered on or his professionalism is seriously in doubt for some other unknown (to us) reason.

Edited 10 May, 2010 by buctootim
stupidity

[norwaysaint]

Personally, I consider this to be very bad news. There seems to be so much rumour doing the rounds that something is going to happen - no smoke without fire...

 

 

Why do people use this idiotic phrase? One thing you should realise if you've been looking at this site for a while is there is always plenty of smoke without fire. This forum is made up of at least eighty percent unsubstantiated rumour.

 

It's a stupid phrase on all levels though. If I were now to announce that I know you're a rapist, would you accept that there must be some truth in it, as there's no smoke without fire? It's a stupid thing to say and often quite damaging.

[derry]

Thing is you really ahve to look at what has been achived AFTER that money was spent - not over the whole season, eg at the start when the squad was quite different and the starting 11 over those first 10 games now almost unrecognisable... If you look at what has been axchieved say since the end of October and certainly since we got passed the 0 points marker we have averages over 2 points a game which is championship winning form and won a cup... Yes its possible that had we ignored the cups etc, and pards had done this or that, we should have made the playoffs but in any other season we would have and this season went against us as the teams in those positions had equal good runs... so IMHO, it was not the odd slip up, which is what most are blaming it on, but the period of rebuilding that led to a poor start that is th reason we missed out...

 

Now, I also at times have questioned Pards tactics, but thats the naure of football fans, but for me his achievements warrant another go, football logioc dictates continuity so deserves another go, but in the end it will all come down to what he agreed with NC...

 

... the question really is, what is the REAL scenario, the silence we have at the moment indicating the dissapointment and friction, or the hugs alround at Wembley?

 

Interestingly Frank, we were 7 points off the play offs after 23 games at Christmas, brought in 4 players and are still 7 points off the play offs after 46 games, having made up no ground on the top six at all. I think it is the strengthening in January then the failure to reach the play offs that has done the damage.

 

After bringing in two centre backs and conceding the equaliser 20 seconds after scoring with a minute to go at Millwall on Jan 16th, allegedly led to NC questioning Alan Pardew that night. Which then led to the public statements by Pardew and Cortese. I think if it turns out that Pardew is leaving, the decision was pretty much made then.

[DT]

Based purely on the state of the team now, and second half of the season performaces I think NP has done a very good job. No-one really knows what else has gone on though - if anything (maybe the rumours are bull****). The rumours would only make sense if NP had given categorical assurances he hasnt delivered on or his professionalism is seriously in doubt for some other unknown (to us) reason.

erm...who is NP?

[buctootim]

erm...who is NP?

Bugger - got NC and AP mixed up into one strange individual in my mind

[SaintRichmond]

Me too.

I would add my suspicion that a possible reason for all of this is that - maybe - Pards did talk to West Ham about taking over from Zola until the little Italian clung on, and that NC either was told or found out. I think it also possible that Pards has agreed to go or NC has asked Hughes to take over as his 'punishment'. When it gets this complex, I'd say relations have broken down.

Mind you, could all be balls and just our/my paranoia. I'm not a massive fan of Pards but would opt for a bit of stability right now, certainly over Hughes, who I remember seemingly not really trying for us under Dave Jones (over 50 apps, two goals), and creating hostility in the dressing room, largely because of the wages he was taking.

 

Well, if Cortese wants to go back to the unrest and disharmony that we dad prior to Leibherr, then all he has to do is appoint Hughes, (who IMHO, is worse than Harry R )

 

At least when Redknap spends, he ends up with a team

 

Hughes had Mega Money at Man City ...... and FAILED

 

I really hope that Cortese is not going after a FAILURE. We will never get Promotion under Hughes, but we would get a split Club

 

Still, the signs aren't that good. I don't think Pardew was wearing colors on Sat ???

 

 

 

PS If Hughes can't be bothered to come to a Third Division Team, then perhaps Sven might be interested:D:):cool:

[Window Cleaner]

Interestingly Frank, we were 7 points off the play offs after 23 games at Christmas, brought in 4 players and are still 7 points off the play offs after 46 games, having made up no ground on the top six at all. I think it is the strengthening in January then the failure to reach the play offs that has done the damage.

 

After bringing in two centre backs and conceding the equaliser 20 seconds after scoring with a minute to go at Millwall on Jan 16th, allegedly led to NC questioning Alan Pardew that night. Which then led to the public statements by Pardew and Cortese. I think if it turns out that Pardew is leaving, the decision was pretty much made then.

 

 

 

Au just Derry, what many cannot see (because it's hidden in the shadows of the JPT) is that our results didn't get much better as a result of a second splashing of the cash. They remained essentially the same (or ever so slightly worse than ) as those in October and November.

[Jez]

erm...who is NP?

 

Bugger - got NC and AP mixed up into one strange individual in my mind

 

I think someone secretly wants Nigel Pearson to be our manager

[ottery st mary]

At times we played some decent stuff but also some route one rubbish. We were tactically exposed in some games such as Brighton (h), Swindon (h) and poor in a number of away games against poor opposition.

 

Alan Pardew did a decent enough job in division one bearing in mind the ability we were able to sign. Is he replaceable? Of course he is.

 

What we should really be concerned about is Markus Leibherr not enjoying owning Southampton FC. He has already said he would only be interested in owning the club if Nicola Cortese ran it on his behalf.

 

As far as I am concerned the two people we don't want to upset are ML and NC. If they don't like Alan Pardew for whatever reasons and they want to make a change then that's fine by me. Given a choice between ML/NC and Alan Pardew there is no contest.

 

 

derry...My old friend:partyman:

 

I was wondering, who the inner group were? (of old boyzz club at St Marys)

 

....Axe to grind group, in support of Murray and The echo ..recently hell bent on pushing NC out the door etc......

 

Now appear to have turned on Pards in a big way...OR is this a vague dig at NC again...

 

I understand you have never really been a big fan of Pards...opinions ..Oh! yay..

 

That inner circle of moaners and whingers that were never really accepting of ML, NC and Pards... I wonder who they really want in charge....:confused:

 

derry..I know you have your ear close to the ground....What the hell is going on.....Who is trying to unsettle our great club?

 

Keep up the good coaching.......Much room for improvement next season:smt038

 

Hope all the coffin dodgers are ok.....Hopefully Dave Marrington will get better at that radio lark...hopefully the football punditry as well.

 

COYRs

[Thedelldays]

 

 

 

Au just Derry, what many cannot see (because it's hidden in the shadows of the JPT) is that our results didn't get much better as a result of a second splashing of the cash. They remained essentially the same (or ever so slightly worse than ) as those in October and November.

The poin is. After 4 major signings in jan. We could not get any better

[mitch01]

I would be furious if Pardew went. He's done all he realistically could.

[September Saint]

Don't want AP to go but if ML/NC are determined they should do it NOW.

AP will get a handsome pay-off and will get another job easily (i.e Sheff. Wed)

Someone posted a few months ago that we were the Man. City of League 1 so how appropriate for Mark Hughes to join us. Will we get Mancini next?

[Kaiser Soze]

Cortese should hang his head in shame.

[buctootim]

Cortese should hang his head in shame.

Why? whats he done?

[Sour Mash]

At times we played some decent stuff but also some route one rubbish. We were tactically exposed in some games such as Brighton (h), Swindon (h) and poor in a number of away games against poor opposition.

 

Alan Pardew did a decent enough job in division one bearing in mind the ability we were able to sign. Is he replaceable? Of course he is.

 

What we should really be concerned about is Markus Leibherr not enjoying owning Southampton FC. He has already said he would only be interested in owning the club if Nicola Cortese ran it on his behalf.

 

As far as I am concerned the two people we don't want to upset are ML and NC. If they don't like Alan Pardew for whatever reasons and they want to make a change then that's fine by me. Given a choice between ML/NC and Alan Pardew there is no contest.

 

 

Agreed. Southampton FC is now in a great position because of Cortese and Liebherr, not because of Pardew.

[ericofarabia]

Okay boys and girls hows about getting back to the initial point raised in this fred, not should he be sacked or not ... but the "fact"that Ladbrokes aren't taking anymore bets on him getting the old heave ho :cool:

 

As Phil asked earlier, can't one of you get your arse down to Ladbrokes and see if you can or cannot make a bet on Pardew getting the sack..... that might help confirm/kick into touch this rumour as "Fact or Fiction" for the time being at least

 

I'd love to but I can't find any Bookies in The Dubai Yellow Pages

[djharvey]

Cortese should hang his head in shame.

 

? :confused:

 

Because of all the rumours flying around OR because you seem to be believing them all !

[carljack]

Personally, I consider this to be very bad news. There seems to be so much rumour doing the rounds that something is going to happen - no smoke without fire...

 

AP hasnt done enough for me to get the whole of next season; I have some worries about his tactics and ability to motivate the team for 2 matches a week, especially when the first one is a mid-winter trip to a northern sh*t-hole with a cow field of a pitch, but he also has not done enough wrong for me to be replaced this summer. If it was not for the -10 points, we would have been promoted.

 

NC isnt stupid; even if he is impatient, I feel he will appreciate what AP achieved last year.

 

BUT

 

Maybe the trust has gone - what if he made it clear that promotion was the goal this season, and AP ignored him and focussed on the cups, and then AP manipulated the fan base with his "poor me, I'm under pressure" comments to the press ?

 

Working partnerships are complex issues, and maybe NC doesnt have the confidence in AP he should have.

 

FOOKS MOI,Alps in well balanced post shocker! could not have been better summed up.Keep it up son!

[Verbal Kint]

Okay boys and girls hows about getting back to the initial point raised in this fred, not should he be sacked or not ... but the "fact"that Ladbrokes aren't taking anymore bets on him getting the old heave ho :cool:

 

As Phil asked earlier, can't one of you get your arse down to Ladbrokes and see if you can or cannot make a bet on Pardew getting the sack..... that might help confirm/kick into touch this rumour as "Fact or Fiction" for the time being at least

 

I'd love to but I can't find any Bookies in The Dubai Yellow Pages

 

Neither Ladbrokes, or any ther bookies, have been running a book on this. If Pardew were to get sacked it's likely a few of them might run a book on his replacement, but they certainly won't be doing anything before he's sacked (a big if). There simply isn't enough public interest for them to run a book on it. The only serious money they would take is sharp money from insiders, so it's a totally pointless exercise from their point of view.

 

Ladbrokes aren't taking bets on the manager of Bashley getting sacked either, does that mean it's happening?