Do you still want Pardew as our manager?

[chrisobee]

So you don't believe it when the Solent reported that markus did not go yesterday as he was not happy with the progress come end of the season

 

Not in the least, pure speculation.

[trousers]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't it supposed to be a five year plan to get back to the Premier league.

 

Most businesses that set a 'x year plan' would hope to see the plan realised sooner. It's simply a 'worst case' target. Most successful business men try to beat any targets set, not just match them...

[Window Cleaner]

This is what I've been slightly amused about this season. Everyone sees the happy / cuddly mr liebherr on match days and with that brief visual information comes the automatic assumption that he's a fluffy bunny rabbit.

 

How do we KNOW that he isn't a wolf in sheep's clothing? Answer: we don't

 

 

 

Although some of might surmise that he might be a man who isn't all that keen on spending money without it producing the specifically targeted results.

[SaintRobbie]

We need consistency for the next 5 years. We need Pards, as we all know he'll deliver if supported. I voted definitely keep him.

 

That said, would Ricky Lambert play for Mark Hughes? Too right he would!

[Cabrone]

AP should definitely stay, looking at the final table I'd say he's done a good job.

 

We finished on 73 points but remove the -10 and we are on 83 = mid playoff position, 3 points off automatic.

 

If we'd have beaten say Brentford at home and Stockport away last August we'd be up now.

 

However the delayed team rebuild due to the takeover shenanigins + our idiot of an ex chairman torpedo'd us this season.

 

Our form after those first 10 games was automatic promotion form and we'll only get better next season.

 

I fully expect AP to automatically promote us next season.

[Under Weststand]

After the disaster of the last close season, the way we went into the season we've done exactly what I expected. we started slow as AP did a quick fix rebuild, with quite a few loans & a few good buys to see us through to Jan. He then put in place what he hopes will be the back-bone of the team we all hope will take us back up next season. We've finished the season strongly & are looking strong in this league for next season. So absolutely stick with him now, it would be crazy IMHO to change the manager again. I really hope that all these crazy rumours yesterday & today are just Bulls**t!

I fully expect us to be challenging strongly for Automatic promotion next season, & December is a more realistic time to judge AP & the progress he's made. We need some stability as a club for once.

[JackFrost]

Pardew has 93% backing on here currently

[ALWAYS_SFC]

YES

 

Without a second thought..

[St Marco]

I wonder if nc,pardew etc will be aware of this poll as it is pretty conclusive.

[Chin Strain]

This.

 

Nicola Cortese and Markus Liebherr are far more important to SFC than AP. If NC does decide he cannot work with AP then we must accept it and move on.

 

Bang. On.

[trousers]

Pardew has 93% backing on here currently

I'm still surprised that people feel they can answer the question posed categorically without knowing what the alternative(s) may or may not be.

 

If the question was: cortese has lined up Kevin Keegan, do you want Pardew to stay? My answer would be "no"

 

If the question was: cortese has lined up an average run of the mill manager , do you want Pardew to stay? My answer would be "yes"

 

Ask yourself the same two questions (replacing "kevin keegan" with a manager of your choice whom you believe would be a better option than Pardew) and see if you get the same answer.

[dune]

Or ask yourself ... if Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't get on would you rather see a clean break now or later?

[derry]

Or ask yourself ... if Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't get on would you rather see a clean break now or later?

 

Alan Pardew has done a decent job. A poor demoralised team, points deduction and not a lot of time at the start. A good squad with a winning mentality at the end.

 

Taking that a stage further does anybody really think that a good manager, taking the present squad, no points deduction and with further strengthening couldn't win this league next season. Alan Pardew included.

 

Markus Leibherr and Nicola Cortese are successful people who have bought a football club and have a dream like all of us. They obviously know what they want, apart from success. I think part of the problem is they aren't seeing the sort of football they want. A lot of games this season has seen us humping the ball up front, maybe they don't want their club to play this way and just aren't enjoying it. I know if I wasn't happy, in their place I would make changes. I also think the Waigo situation could possibly could be a problem, if Cortese who brought him in wants to keep him and Pardew doesn't.

 

We certainly have the players to play passing football, the third goal yesterday was a delight to watch.

 

There may be nothing in this, but the lack of comment from the club over the last week, with the Echo running a 'Pardew must stay' campaign, makes me think that there is substance or at least a level of serious dissatisfaction.

Edited 9 May, 2010 by derry

[B Rabbit]

Wonder who the 6 pillocks are who said 'Definately not'....

 

Can understand the i'ndifferent' and if 'someone else was interested' who was high profile for instance...just can't see how anyone here would not think he is doing well.

[Tractor_Saint]

Can understand the i'ndifferent' and if 'someone else was interested' who was high profile for instance...just can't see how anyone here would not think he is doing well.

 

And I can't understand people who write in Orange However, don't forget there are also people that can vote on this forum who are not Saints fans (some fishy few from down the road for instance).... Sad, I know, but I suppose that's democracy for you ...

[John B]

Wonder who the 6 pillocks are who said 'Definately not'....

 

Can understand the i'ndifferent' and if 'someone else was interested' who was high profile for instance...just can't see how anyone here would not think he is doing well.

 

He maybe doing OK so could somebody else I would have thought

 

 

But he failed in getting to the playoffs although I never thought getting there was feasible others might have

[yarb101]

No, simply that I don't believe it is from him. Agreed no one knows but but based on albeit limited information I'd bet a pound to a penny that if anything is afoot it is down to NC. As I stated I don't know but neither does anyone on here but that is my instinct and my opinion and will remain so unless anything happens to change my mind.

 

I seem to recall that total control of the club in all matters was given to NC by ML when he was appointed as Chairman and ML was taking a back seat.

 

Based on those facts, to be honest, I am a little surprised as to how many home games he actually attended last season.

[krissyboy31]

He maybe doing OK so could somebody else I would have thought

 

 

But he failed in getting to the playoffs although I never thought getting there was feasible others might have

 

Would have thought that would account for the votes for possible change of manager if certain alternatives became available but not the 'definites!'

[derry]

He maybe doing OK so could somebody else I would have thought

 

 

But he failed in getting to the playoffs although I never thought getting there was feasible others might have

 

After 23 games we were 7 points off the playoffs. After adding Fonte, Barnard, Puncheon and Otsemobor, 23 games later we were still 7 points off the playoffs.

 

May be that the owners just don't think that was a good result after the investment in January.

[John B]

Would have thought that would account for the votes for possible change of manager if certain alternatives became available but not the 'definites!'

 

I must admit I find it unbelieveable that we are even talking about changing our manager.

 

 

In the autumn I thought a successful season would be tenth or so in the League and success in the JPT

 

 

So I think the team was very successful but perhaps my sights were too low

[Thedelldays]

After 23 games we were 7 points off the playoffs. After adding Fonte, Barnard, Puncheon and Otsemobor, 23 games later we were still 7 points off the playoffs.

 

May be that the owners just don't think that was a good result after the investment in January.

agree with that..at the 23 point mark..the owners probably expected the playoffs with those additions

[krissyboy31]

After 23 games we were 7 points off the playoffs. After adding Fonte, Barnard, Puncheon and Otsemobor, 23 games later we were still 7 points off the playoffs.

 

May be that the owners just don't think that was a good result after the investment in January.

 

But that's more to do with the unbelievable runs that the likes of Millwall, Swindon and Huddersfield went on than a failure on our behalf.

[Thedelldays]

But that's more to do with the unbelievable runs that the likes of Millwall, Swindon and Huddersfield went on than a failure on our behalf.

at that point, at 23 games...everything was in our own hands

[stu0x]

I'm still surprised that people feel they can answer the question posed categorically without knowing what the alternative(s) may or may not be.

 

If the question was: cortese has lined up Kevin Keegan, do you want Pardew to stay? My answer would be "no"

 

If the question was: cortese has lined up an average run of the mill manager , do you want Pardew to stay? My answer would be "yes"

 

Ask yourself the same two questions (replacing "kevin keegan" with a manager of your choice whom you believe would be a better option than Pardew) and see if you get the same answer.

Keegan (or indeed anyone else) would be no *guarantee* of a better performance than Pardew.

 

How about Steve Mclaren? He's looking pretty good right now. I bet no one on here (or anywhere) would have wanted him as manager 12 months ago, mind.

 

The FACT of the matter is, this team this year performed to automatic-promotion level. If we hadn't already had the -10 (and therefore been out of contention), there is absolutely no way we would have fielded a weakened team against Gillingham. So even with the now-famous lack of preseason, terrible start to the finish, we would have ended the season in 2nd, and been promoted.

 

I'm not quite sure how you improve on automatic promotion, or what it is that some people actually want.

 

If you bin Pardew now, you are 90% sure to undo a good amount of the work that has been done this season.

 

Show me a manager who has gone into a club and finished top 2 *in their first season*, and I'll show you a hundred who have gone into a performing club and turned it into a mediocre one.

 

The FACTS are that under Pardew, this season the team has performed well enough to be promoted without the points penalty. Anything about any other manager is pure conjecture, nothing more.

[krissyboy31]

at that point, at 23 games...everything was in our own hands

 

Not really. We were chasing the likes of Colchester and MK Dons in the play-off positions and managed to reel them in and overtake them. We just had too many teams between us and the top 6 and 3 of those teams ended up with the chance of automatic promotion on the final day.

 

Back in February I thought we would finish with 74 points and that would be only good enough for 7th or 8th place. That view was shouted down because 74 was deemed to be enough to make the play-offs. We ended up one point short of that but still 7 points short of 6th. Most seasons we would have qualified.

[scotty]

I'm still surprised that people feel they can answer the question posed categorically without knowing what the alternative(s) may or may not be.

 

If the question was: cortese has lined up Kevin Keegan, do you want Pardew to stay? My answer would be "no"

 

If the question was: cortese has lined up an average run of the mill manager , do you want Pardew to stay? My answer would be "yes"

 

Im assuming you're joking, I wouldnt want keegan here in any capacity whatsoever.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Pretty comprehensive IMO...

[St Marco]

Pretty comprehensive IMO...

 

Indeed, those 6 people who don't want him are a few obvious people on here and NC maybe made a few alt accounts to vote

[Window Cleaner]

I have gone for indifferent( because I am) If the players are good enough it doesn't matter who the manager is. A football manager used to remain in the shadows (none of us ever discussed the abilities of Ted Bates) Only the players count unless of course the manager is detrimental to their collective ability.

 

AP has done an OK job, others could have done easily as well,I really don't give a rat's arse if he is here next season or no. AP is not the Messiah, he's had a shedload of cash and has produced a reasonable result with it.If we had given the same means to say Danny Wilson or Kenny Jackett we would probably have done better.

[John B]

I have gone for indifferent( because I am) If the players are good enough it doesn't matter who the manager is. A football manager used to remain in the shadows (none of us ever discussed the abilities of Ted Bates) Only the players count unless of course the manager is detrimental to their collective ability.

 

AP has done an OK job, others could have done easily as well,I really don't give a rat's arse if he is here next season or no. AP is not the Messiah, he's had a shedload of cash and has produced a reasonable result with it.

.

 

I am with you on this

 

 

Dont believe if AP is sacked he will not be replaced with a decent manager.

 

 

I am not sure AP will be sacked but he will be under tremendous pressure to succeed.

[Arizona]

I have gone for indifferent( because I am) If the players are good enough it doesn't matter who the manager is. A football manager used to remain in the shadows (none of us ever discussed the abilities of Ted Bates) Only the players count unless of course the manager is detrimental to their collective ability.

 

AP has done an OK job, others could have done easily as well,I really don't give a rat's arse if he is here next season or no. AP is not the Messiah, he's had a shedload of cash and has produced a reasonable result with it.If we had given the same means to say Danny Wilson or Kenny Jackett we would probably have done better.

 

Tell that to Whisky George.

[St Marco]

I have gone for indifferent( because I am) If the players are good enough it doesn't matter who the manager is. A football manager used to remain in the shadows (none of us ever discussed the abilities of Ted Bates) Only the players count unless of course the manager is detrimental to their collective ability.

 

AP has done an OK job, others could have done easily as well,I really don't give a rat's arse if he is here next season or no. AP is not the Messiah, he's had a shedload of cash and has produced a reasonable result with it.If we had given the same means to say Danny Wilson or Kenny Jackett we would probably have done better.

 

As i said before, a manager is vital for getting players in. Money is not everything. While we hear about the players who want to earn vast amounts of money we rarely hear about the players who just want to achieve things.

The teams in Dubai have rich owners, they get players in, nobody cares.

Good managers attract good players, what happened here with Keegan is proof of that.

[Window Cleaner]

Tell that to Whisky George.

 

Hence the proviso "unless the manager is detrimental to their collective ability"

(or whatever I wrote)

[Window Cleaner]

As i said before, a manager is vital for getting players in. Money is not everything. While we hear about the players who want to earn vast amounts of money we rarely hear about the players who just want to achieve things.

The teams in Dubai have rich owners, they get players in, nobody cares.

Good managers attract good players, what happened here with Keegan is proof of that.

 

 

 

Didier Deschamps has taken Marseille to the French Championship this year but he doesn't buy the players. He recommends certainly but the club president and the general manager take it from there. Deschamps coaches what he has, as do the vast majority of continental "entraineurs" .They do not recruit, they make up the overall game plan and then leave it to the others.

I bet Guardiola doesn't hire and fire, he works with what the President gives him.

[s0108787]

After 23 games we were 7 points off the playoffs. After adding Fonte, Barnard, Puncheon and Otsemobor, 23 games later we were still 7 points off the playoffs.

 

May be that the owners just don't think that was a good result after the investment in January.

 

who on here could honestly forsee that huddersfield would go on the run they did after we spanked them?

 

If only their walsall result was different the night we also spanked Bristol Rovers, the league could look very different now!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

But that's more to do with the unbelievable runs that the likes of Millwall, Swindon and Huddersfield went on than a failure on our behalf.

 

The point is (as Nigel Pearson's Leicester City showed last season) that this impoverished division can (and frequently is) dominated by one or two really well organised and competently managed teams . It is entirely possible for such teams to almost literally sweep all before them . Millwall , Swindon ..etc are not formidable football powerhouses by any means - they've just managed to rise above the mediocre 3rd division standard much more consistently than we have .

 

That is the reason the continuance Alan Pardew's reign has been called into question , and although I think AP has done enough to stay in the job , the very fact that the question is being asked (it would seem) fails to outrage me quite as much as it does most others on here in all honesty .

 

"To those whom much is given, much is expected." - John F Kennedy

[scotty]

who on here could honestly forsee that huddersfield would go on the run they did after we spanked them?

 

If only their walsall result was different the night we also spanked Bristol Rovers, the league could look very different now!

 

Basically, its our own fault we couldnt quite catch them in to the playoffs. If we'd gone easy on them and just played for a 1-0 win, it wouldnt have sparked them into life.....

[John B]

Basically, its our own fault we couldnt quite catch them in to the playoffs. If we'd gone easy on them and just played for a 1-0 win, it wouldnt have sparked them into life.....

 

But they did lose their next match v Brentford I think

[theyin]

AP has got to stay....end of

[theyin]

The point is (as Nigel Pearson's Leicester City showed last season) that this impoverished division can (and frequently is) dominated by one or two really well organised and competently managed teams . It is entirely possible for such teams to almost literally sweep all before them . Millwall , Swindon ..etc are not formidable football powerhouses by any means - they've just managed to rise above the mediocre 3rd division standard much more consistently than we have .

 

That is the reason the continuance Alan Pardew's reign has been called into question , and although I think AP has done enough to stay in the job , the very fact that the question is being asked (it would seem) fails to outrage me quite as much as it does most others on here in all honesty .

 

 

surely it's simply down to our early season performances which can't be blamed on AP. A couple of the later lesser team results could be brought into the equation but imho that would be missing the point. every team has its dips

[sadoldgit]

This.

 

Nicola Cortese and Markus Liebherr are far more important to SFC than AP. If NC does decide he cannot work with AP then we must accept it and move on.

 

At the end of the day it is the manager and players that decides what happens on the pitch, not the money men...unless they don't spend any of it of course.

[sadoldgit]

Or ask yourself ... if Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese don't get on would you rather see a clean break now or later?

 

If they don't get on perhaps you need to ask why? Pardew seems a decent enough bloke. Cortese seems a bit up his own b*m. Maybe Cortese ought to try a bit harder?

[sadoldgit]

So you don't believe it when the Solent reported that markus did not go yesterday as he was not happy with the progress come end of the season

 

I heard he was unhappy that he wasn't able to make it to the game. Depends what you want to believe I suppose.

[doddisalegend]

I have gone for indifferent( because I am) If the players are good enough it doesn't matter who the manager is. A football manager used to remain in the shadows (none of us ever discussed the abilities of Ted Bates) Only the players count unless of course the manager is detrimental to their collective ability.

 

AP has done an OK job, others could have done easily as well,I really don't give a rat's arse if he is here next season or no. AP is not the Messiah, he's had a shedload of cash and has produced a reasonable result with it.If we had given the same means to say Danny Wilson or Kenny Jackett we would probably have done better.[/QUOTE]

 

I'm not sure how that works. If the players are good enough the manager doesn't matter in that case NC might as well do the Job himself. On the other hand you then say other managers would have done better surely they wouldn't as only the players ability count according to you. Also how do you know others would have done better? that statement is impossible to prove (unless you have a time machine).

[BridgnorthSaint]

That said definately no? I didn't realise they provided internet access in mental institutions!

'Definately no' ??? Who do they really think would want to take on our club that is likely to be better than Pards?

I can't believe we are even debating this. Money or not NC should be showing support for our manager right now.

[torsaint]

Wonder when we last had a manager with 92% support. Or any political leader or any businessman for that matter. Curious that noone seems to know Cortese. I rest my case m'lud.

[scotty]

Wonder when we last had a manager with 92% support. Or any political leader or any businessman for that matter. Curious that noone seems to know Cortese. I rest my case m'lud.

 

92% support on here. And Cortese is the guy dispensing Markus's cold hard cash.....he's entitled to a little input methinks

[SNSUN]

I one hundred thousand million billion trillion quadrillian infinity plus seven want Pardew to stay as manager.

 

The exceptions to this are: The Premiership saying they'll let us swap places with Man Utd if we lose Pardew, Someone pointing a gun to my head and telling me to vote differently or Pardew losing the plot and machine gunning down the entire squad.

[Minty]

I think this can be un-stickied now... nice to see the overwhelming majority in support of AP, but now we should put this episode behind us and concentrate on moving forward.

[chrisobee]

I think this can be un-stickied now... nice to see the overwhelming majority in support of AP, but now we should put this episode behind us and concentrate on moving forward.

 

Ahem, are you still a Moderator