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Do you still want Pardew as our manager?

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Do you want Pardew in charge next season  

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  1. 1. Do you want Pardew in charge next season

    • Absolutely Yes
      1091
    • Definitely Not
      7
    • Only replace him if a certain other manager was interested
      38
    • Indifferent
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dune

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Looks like common sense is shining through in the poll. MUST stay.

 

Uninformed common sense though it must be said. I remember that fountain of philosophy that is Jimmy Case talking about Saints troubles a few years ago and who am I or anyone to disagree with him? He described a football club as a triangle comprised of the fans, the team and it's management, and the board, and he went on to say that for a club to be successful all 3 points of the triangle must be united. We as fans may well be happy with things, the team and manager may well have had a good season, but if the board (or in this instance Nicola Cortese) isn't 100% happy then the triangle is broken.

 

As i posted on another thread it has been clear for sometime that all isn't well between Alan Pardew and Nicola Cortese. NC made a public statement basically instructing AP to buck his ideas up and start delivering results, and so insued a battle of ego's with AP making several comments to the press which were basically digs in retaliation to what NC had said. As it goes I think NC was wrong to go public like he did, and I can't really blame AP for having a dig back, but ultimately these exchanges heralded the end of a working relationship so under these circumstances i'm inclined to think that the status quo in untenable looking forward because the damage has been done and something will have to give, and in a employer versus employee disagreement such as this is I can only see one outcome.

 

This is all reading between the lines and I may well have misjudged the situation, but if AP does have to go then it has happen now so that it doesn't impact too much on the start of next season.

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Katalinic

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i think we should have got Gary Johnson while he was available, will do well with peteborough next year.

 

Compared to AP? Are you serious? If he goes, and I hope he doesn't, we should be aiming a tad higher than Gary Johnson.

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Leslie Charteris

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AP has carried out a root and branch restructuring of the team, staff, everything. If he goes that will go and we will have to start again which will set us back.

I've just been looking back at a league table from the middle of January and Saints have scored more points than any team except Millwall. That is good form and AP deserves to continue the work next season.

 

If the rumour is true, and I really hope not, it says more about NC than AP, and it says to me meglomaniac with a fragile ego and someone, right or wrong, will not countenance arguement or dissent. If AP goes, I sense troubled times ahead or maybe NC will appoint a European noname lapdog (sound familiar?). I have heard Jurgen Klinsmann's name mentioned in dispatches...

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saintjinksie

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Compared to AP? Are you serious? If he goes, and I hope he doesn't, we should be aiming a tad higher than Gary Johnson.

 

gary johnson is tactically sound and has a great record of over achieving with crap squads, imagine what he could do with our money. He got yeovil to the football league for the first time where they are now well established. bristol promoted to the championship and to the playoffs in first year. And by far his best achievement was recommending we buy pahars when he was latvia boss!

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Katalinic

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gary johnson is tactically sound and has a great record of over achieving with crap squads, imagine what he could do with our money. He got yeovil to the football league for the first time where they are now well established. bristol promoted to the championship and to the playoffs in first year. And by far his best achievement was recommending we buy pahars when he was latvia boss!

 

Lower league manager - always has been always will be.

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patred44

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No, that was emailed in by someone who, like us, has no real idea.

 

no.. someone emailed there was a rumour he was about to get the chop.

 

The woman said in answer to that email that there was a meeting Wednesday about that.

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chrisobee

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no.. someone emailed there was a rumour he was about to get the chop.

 

The woman said in answer to that email that there was a meeting Wednesday about that.

 

In other words there might be a meeting on Wednesday but it could if it happens be about anything smiley-confused013.gif

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VectisSaint

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no.. someone emailed there was a rumour he was about to get the chop.

 

The woman said in answer to that email that there was a meeting Wednesday about that.

Thought so, I was going to rewind on the Sky box to check but then remembered I had switched channel. Doh.

 

Seems odd that only the Beeb have this though.

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Thedelldays

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Will be on i-player later !

the solent reported that markus was not at the game because he was unhappy with the end result/progress of the season

 

they also said that all of this will "come to a head" within the next week

 

what all that means, I have no idea

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chrisobee

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the solent reported that markus was not at the game because he was unhappy with the end result/progress of the season

 

they also said that all of this will "come to a head" within the next week

 

what all that means, I have no idea

 

Can't imagine ML missing the game as he was unhappy at our progress, rather like throwing his toys out of the pram and we know that is 100% not in his nature. I'm sure there is a much simpler ( but less controversial ) reason but that wouldn't create something to talk/write about would it.

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Thedelldays

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Can't imagine ML missing the game as he was unhappy at our progress, rather like throwing his toys out of the pram and we know that is 100% not in his nature. I'm sure there is a much simpler ( but less controversial ) reason but that wouldn't create something to talk/write about would it.

how do you know what is or is not in his nature...you just see a big fat man and think he is all cuddly..

 

just saying what the solent were reporting before the game..why they had to say that I have no idea..

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Saint Bones

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For sure. Suicide to get rid of him now.

 

Give him all of next season. He has a clean slate ( no -10 points ), a team he has made his own and also that is beggining to remember how to win.

 

Considering we were prtty much at our lowest point in our most recent history ( or possibly ever ) when AP took over I think he has done a great job.

 

Looking at the poll it shows over 90% of Saints web fans want him to stay - I daresay the general public would feel the same as well

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how do you know what is or is not in his nature...you just see a big fat man and think he is all cuddly..

 

just saying what the solent were reporting before the game..why they had to say that I have no idea..

Sh*t stirring media, think we will have to get used to this.
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After going 1 - 0 down to relegated Southend, and then just after we equalised, to see a striker subbed for a defensive midfielder, I was ready to say that Pardew didn't know what he was doing.

 

Then the team goes on to score 2 more goals and we win 3 - 1. It's just as well Pardew is the football manager and I'm not, because he proved that he certainly did know what he was doing!!!

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ohwhenthesaints

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After going 1 - 0 down to relegated Southend, and then just after we equalised, to see a striker subbed for a defensive midfielder, I was ready to say that Pardew didn't know what he was doing.

 

Then the team goes on to score 2 more goals and we win 3 - 1. It's just as well Pardew is the football manager and I'm not, because he proved that he certainly did know what he was doing!!!

 

The thought that ran through my head was that he was possibly giving Wotton his last run out as a Saints player. Can't see him being needed next season really.

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Red and White Russ

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Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't it supposed to be a five year plan to get back to the Premier league. If all the rumours are true about AP's imminent dismissal are true, has NC and ML suddenly reduced that to a two year plan because they are a bit miffed about our non-promotion this year. I'm all for ambition from these guys, but a touch of common sense wouldn't go amiss here.

 

I am, for the first time, starting to worry about our new owner's judgement.

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Saint_clark

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Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't it supposed to be a five year plan to get back to the Premier league. If all the rumours are true about AP's imminent dismissal are true, has NC and ML suddenly reduced that to a two year plan because they are a bit miffed about our non-promotion this year. I'm all for ambition from these guys, but a touch of common sense wouldn't go amiss here.

 

I am, for the first time, starting to worry about our new owner's judgement.

 

It's still only a rumour at this stage remember. But if Pardew was sacked it would certainly make me worry about Cortese.

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70's Mike

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The thought that ran through my head was that he was possibly giving Wotton his last run out as a Saints player. Can't see him being needed next season really.

 

If not as a player he will be a coach at SMS, the younger players really appreciate his advice and support both in games and training.

all teams have a joker who keeps morale up and Wotton is ours at present

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M271

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The replacement of Pardew would be madness, not just because of the manager but the knock on effect to back room staff, players brought in by Pardew, morale, uncertainty etc..

 

How ever (potentially) good a new manager may be he will have to have time to settle and have a team in his style built up. We cannot afford another season of rebuilding.

 

Pardew record since mid January when his current squad was finally asssembled is 13 W, 5 D and 3 L which equals 44 points from 21 matches that would be 96 points if that form was over the whole season, that to me means that he has done a good job and deserves to have at least another season with us.

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dubai_phil

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Look at a close example - a club being rebuilt with big investment for the League they were in. The manager is doing a good job (not an outstanding job, but a good one).

The Board panic because they wanted success NOW, they fire the manager.

 

That really got Manchester City into the Champions League didn't it....

 

Who could know whether Sparky would have got them into the same position or would have turned a couple of their draws into wins.

 

Pardew has done a better than good job. IMHO this uncertainty came about because the Club tried to push for promotion with the investment in January. Our results during the season (when you remove the disasterous start) would have been promotion. Nothing we have seen shows that AP is incapable of at least maintaining that same team building/results ratio for next season.

 

If we have ANYTHING close to even an AVERAGE start to next season in comparison to this then we will go up, and with this team why on earth would that not happen?

 

Starting again with a new manager and a new back office team. Huge risk, huge costs and plain not needed right now.

 

Would happily trade a few bad results in midweek on muddy pitches for a full season with this team and the couple of additions it will need. We'll be in the mix from the start. Why risk change now?

 

Didn't work at City

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Look at a close example - a club being rebuilt with big investment for the League they were in. The manager is doing a good job (not an outstanding job, but a good one).

The Board panic because they wanted success NOW, they fire the manager.

 

That really got Manchester City into the Champions League didn't it....

 

Who could know whether Sparky would have got them into the same position or would have turned a couple of their draws into wins.

 

Pardew has done a better than good job. IMHO this uncertainty came about because the Club tried to push for promotion with the investment in January. Our results during the season (when you remove the disasterous start) would have been promotion. Nothing we have seen shows that AP is incapable of at least maintaining that same team building/results ratio for next season.

 

If we have ANYTHING close to even an AVERAGE start to next season in comparison to this then we will go up, and with this team why on earth would that not happen?

 

Starting again with a new manager and a new back office team. Huge risk, huge costs and plain not needed right now.

 

Would happily trade a few bad results in midweek on muddy pitches for a full season with this team and the couple of additions it will need. We'll be in the mix from the start. Why risk change now?

 

Didn't work at City

 

The reason that Pardew maybe on his way maybe that him and NC cannot work together and their relationship has broken down and not to do with results entirely.

 

 

From comments on here it appears that NC may not be an easy task master

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately we have to live with NC's decisions

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Thedelldays

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The reason that Pardew maybe on his way maybe that him and NC cannot work together and their relationship has broken down and not to do with results entirely.

 

 

From comments on here it appears that NC may not be an easy task master

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately we have to live with NC's decisions

This sums it up for me. Maybe pardew and cortese see differently about how to take the club forward

 

Remeber when NC said the cups were just "nice" and they came to saints to get us out of the league. Pardew admitted to putting the cups up there.

 

At the end of the day it is not Pardews money. Maybe markus demanded better? The longer we stay out of the prem the more potential capital markus is not getting

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CHAPEL END CHARLIE

CHAPEL END CHARLIE

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93.28% say ABSOLUTELY YES from 253 votes, seems pretty conclusive !

 

I seem to remember a similar percentage voted for Nigel Pearson to stay as manager two years ago - and look how much notice 'they' took of us then . :(

 

While we will have our say , it's as plain as the nose on your face that the only people who's views really count in this are Nicola Cortese and Markus Leibherr . That's the trouble with this voting business - everybody might be born equal , but some of us are more equal than others .

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chrisobee

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This sums it up for me. Maybe pardew and cortese see differently about how to take the club forward

 

Remeber when NC said the cups were just "nice" and they came to saints to get us out of the league. Pardew admitted to putting the cups up there.

 

At the end of the day it is not Pardews money. Maybe markus demanded better? The longer we stay out of the prem the more potential capital markus is not getting

 

You keep going out about the possibilty of it being ML who is demanding more but as far as I can see there is absolutely nothing to support this. Cortese on the other hand has shown an arrogant side to his nature and it's far more likely that any disharmony stems from him/his comments. His arrogance I can live with but given as I keep stating he knows less about football than most of us it would be absurd if that arrogance and his ego led to him deciding HE was going to give AP the chop. In no way is it good practice in any line of business for someone to openly question his manager so who could blame Pardew if he speaks out from his point of view. No doubt at all in my mind that the only way Pardew will leave if is Cortese forces him out and that would be sheer madness IMHO.

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SoccerMom

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I seem to remember a similar percentage voted for Nigel Pearson to stay as manager two years ago - and look how much notice 'they' took of us then . :(

 

While we will have our say , it's as plain as the nose on your face that the only people who's views really count in this are Nicola Cortese and Markus Leibherr . That's the trouble with this voting business - everybody might be born equal , but some of us are more equal than others .

 

Good point, Charlie. And, two years on, Leicester are where, now? The fans might know a thing or two... "they" ignore us at their - and the club's - peril.

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It is because you don't want to entertain the possibility that it COULD be from markus

 

You even said yourself that it would not be in his nature to be like this.... How on earth would you know

How would any of us know???

This is what I've been slightly amused about this season. Everyone sees the happy / cuddly mr liebherr on match days and with that brief visual information comes the automatic assumption that he's a fluffy bunny rabbit.

 

How do we KNOW that he isn't a wolf in sheep's clothing? Answer: we don't

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chrisobee

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It is because you don't want to entertain the possibility that it COULD be from markus

 

You even said yourself that it would not be in his nature to be like this.... How on earth would you know

How would any of us know???

 

No, simply that I don't believe it is from him. Agreed no one knows but but based on albeit limited information I'd bet a pound to a penny that if anything is afoot it is down to NC. As I stated I don't know but neither does anyone on here but that is my instinct and my opinion and will remain so unless anything happens to change my mind.

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Thedelldays

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No, simply that I don't believe it is from him. Agreed no one knows but but based on albeit limited information I'd bet a pound to a penny that if anything is afoot it is down to NC. As I stated I don't know but neither does anyone on here but that is my instinct and my opinion and remain so unless anything happens to change my mind.

So you don't believe it when the Solent reported that markus did not go yesterday as he was not happy with the progress come end of the season

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