Why was 'Arry so ****e for us?

[CB Fry]

 

West Ham .. When he left (sacked) they were as good as relegated and financial woes followed immediately, and Redcrapp had spent a small fortune on rubbish there.

 

 

Roeder led WHU to seventh the following season, and they only went down on the last day the season after that.

 

So if you are blaming Redknapp for a relegation two years after he left then yes, it was all his fault.

[saintkiptanui]

Harry clearly has talent, he initially saved Pompey, rejuvenated them etc. He has transformed Spurs this season.

 

Could he successfully manage a bigger club than Spurs? I would say yes.

SHHHH!!! back to your tadley caravan

[Seaford Saint]

What's wrong with my caravan? You window cleaner you!

[saintkiptanui]

It's got dirty windows, volcanic ash you see.

[sadoldgit]

As Graham Souness said, "How can anyone called Rupert know anything about football?"

 

Which actually said more about Graeme Souness than it did about Lowe. At least Lowe could spell his name right!

 

I am still waiting for Mr Souness to say, "How can anyone called Nicola know anything about football?"

[Daren W]

I think the most obvious answer is that given money, Redknapp is a great manager.

Without money and having to rely on his own ability and nouse, and then he's actually pretty poor. At Spurs he's unsurprisingly very good, would he be so good at Hull or Burnley? You'll never know as he'd never take the job...

 

The harsh truth is that he ended the season worse off than when he started it, which speaks volumes. But above all, and it's been said before on here, for a professional manager to show such little passion or care for the job in hand is a disgrace. For that alone the man is a c**t....

[John Boy Saint]

Having been to a few training sessions at Staplewood out on the pitch I was amazed that match training only seemed to last 80 minutes, about the same time on the clock on matchdays when we seemed to run out of puff; dragging defeat from the teeth of victory.

The bloke also talked alot of cobblers about the players fitness he said after humiliation at Hull (I think) "don't talk to me about player fitness, these boys are super fit athletes" we could all see that the team had a shadow of the fitness they had under WGS.

This season he has been riding his luck at Spurs.

[dubsaint]

Did well at Bournemouth, got West Ham into Europe, got Pompey promoted and won the FA Cup (please dont go on about bankrupting Pompey, that wasn't his fault, he didn't run the clubs finances if a manager is given money to spend to improve the team they'll spend it) now got Spurs into the champions league. yet for us he was awful, the only place he has failed. And before you all jump on the band wagon a bout what a tosser he is, i seem to remember when Hoddle left a lot of people wanted Redknapp as manager then and were disapointed he didn't get it.

 

He didnt want to be at the club, from day one..............how could he manage a team with that attitude

[westofshannonsaint]

He didn't care....

 

...his heart wasn't in it....

 

When teams are fighting relegation, there's nothing worse than having a manager who simply doesn't care

 

... heart wasn't in the job.

 

Hence why I despise him.

 

And this is the reason why if I ever bump in to him I will tell him exactly why he's lower in my esteem than dogsh*t on my shoe. If his 'eart wasn't in it he shouldn't have taken the money....lying, bankrupting, twitchy little tw*t - I despise & begrudge the air that he breathes.

 

...He used to refer to us in the 3rd party...

 

all of the above, but it always p*ssed me off when he reffered to us as "the club/they"

 

I don't accept we had a crap team -

 

how many current premiership players played under saggychops at Saints?

 

...For all his faults I can't see Lowe having many plain brown envelopes in the club's finance office.

 

'arry cant operate without his dodgy dealings, even the taxman knows it.

[I remember Paul Rideout!]

Could well be. That would explain his thumbs up to Mad Milan after the Krap Nottarf capitulation. :mad:

Always thought this was the case, like everyone has said he was unenthuastic and down the players from day 1.

 

I've always wondered whether the alleged dodgy payments stopped after the twitch left nottarfkrap?

 

Just some thoughts!

[The Saturday Boy]

Harry's guide to success -

 

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8751_6137283,00.html

[hughieslastminutegoal]

i still maintain he was undercover, sent by Mandaric and the skates

 

..and when he'd done his job on us, went back to the skates... hang on, I don't usually like conspiracy theories.....

Edited 7 May, 2010 by hughieslastminutegoal

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Roeder led WHU to seventh the following season, and they only went down on the last day the season after that.

 

So if you are blaming Redknapp for a relegation two years after he left then yes, it was all his fault.

 

They were practically skint when Roeder took over. Any WHU fan will tell you that. Why did WHU sack him?

[david in sweden]

Bournemouth went bust.

West Ham are going bust.

Saints went bust.

Portsmouth went bust.

Tottenham...........?

 

YES I noticed that, too. He's a very convincing talker is... 'arry.

If Spu*s give him £40 million next season - they will soon be on the list after their Euro exit.

 

I've noticed that HR is always first in the lifeboat, whilst the praisng the captain and crew for their courage and dedication.

 

His farewell speeches bring everyone to tears, BE TOLD SPURS ..you heard it here first !

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Harry clearly has talent, he initially saved Pompey, rejuvenated them etc. He has transformed Spurs this season.

 

Could he successfully manage a bigger club than Spurs? I would say yes.

 

What is there to managing a bigger club than Spurs?

You have lots of money.

You "speak" to lots of agents.

You buy players who are already successful.

If they don't work for you, go out and buy some more who are already successful.

Get someone else to take training.

As long as it works, you keep your job, and everyone thinks you're great.

If it doesn't work especially well, you get a nice fat payoff, and you get another job on the basis that you've managed a big club.

 

It's a nice carrousel if you can get on it.

Edited 7 May, 2010 by hughieslastminutegoal

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Harry clearly has talent, he initially saved Pompey, rejuvenated them etc. He has transformed Spurs this season.

 

Could he successfully manage a bigger club than Spurs? I would say yes.

 

What is there to managing a bigger club than Spurs?

You have lots of money.

You "speak" to lots of agents.

You buy players who are already successful.

If they don't work for you, go out and buy some more who are already successful.

Get someone else to take training.

As long as it works, you keep your job, and everyone thinks you're great.

[Turkish]

Having been to a few training sessions at Staplewood out on the pitch I was amazed that match training only seemed to last 80 minutes, about the same time on the clock on matchdays when we seemed to run out of puff; dragging defeat from the teeth of victory.

The bloke also talked alot of cobblers about the players fitness he said after humiliation at Hull (I think) "don't talk to me about player fitness, these boys are super fit athletes" we could all see that the team had a shadow of the fitness they had under WGS.

This season he has been riding his luck at Spurs.

 

Do me a favour, you dont luckily finish fourth in the premier league above the likes of City, Liverpool and Villa. They have beaten Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City twice, you dont do that just by being lucky.

[Turkish]

I think the most obvious answer is that given money, Redknapp is a great manager.

Without money and having to rely on his own ability and nouse, and then he's actually pretty poor. At Spurs he's unsurprisingly very good, would he be so good at Hull or Burnley? You'll never know as he'd never take the job...

 

The harsh truth is that he ended the season worse off than when he started it, which speaks volumes. But above all, and it's been said before on here, for a professional manager to show such little passion or care for the job in hand is a disgrace. For that alone the man is a c**t....

 

But he has got the best out of the players who were underperforming before he was there. Gomes looks a decent keeper now, Bale, Huddlestone, Pavelechenko (SP) were all stuggling before he was there, i think he is also a good man manager and gets the best out of his players too. never did it for us.

[Cricketphilly]

I am friendly with one of our players at that time. He told me that Harry had nothing to do with training at all. This flies against the accepted wisdom that Harry seems to spend a lot of time on the training ground with his players. This suggests he was unmotivated/disinterested, as to why I obviously have no idea.

The player concerned said he was the worst manager he had played under!

[Seaford Saint]

What is there to managing a bigger club than Spurs?

You have lots of money.

You "speak" to lots of agents.

You buy players who are already successful.

If they don't work for you, go out and buy some more who are already successful.

Get someone else to take training.

As long as it works, you keep your job, and everyone thinks you're great.

 

Ask man city, arsenal liverpool Newcastle etc etc past and present managers.....arguably bigger clubs than spurs. Redknapp divides opinion on this website. I was sorry he left the club, others couldn't stand him and were glad he left. There's no denying his track record....ours is the blemish on his record book.

[Turkish]

He did get the best out of Crouch, Prutton, Phillips, maybe Camara and Quashie. Just a shame he got the worst out of every defender.

 

Crouch wasn't even playing when he joined us so could only improve, i dont think he got the best out of Phillips at all, Prutton was banned for 10 games!! Camera was good one game then **** the next, Quashie was okay. overall i would only say Crouch was a success.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Crouch wasn't even playing when he joined us so could only improve, i dont think he got the best out of Phillips at all, Prutton was banned for 10 games!! Camera was good one game then **** the next, Quashie was okay. overall i would only say Crouch was a success.

 

..and he was signed by Sturrock, and not played (IMO) because RL wanted to get more money for BT.

[broncoboy]

Harry is the master of the media/

 

Cheeky chappie always ready with a quote

 

The media love him similar to Portsmouth having the best supporters in the world.

 

He buys success everytime e,g David James on big money.

 

Skips out when it starts to go tits up.

 

Harry Rednapp complete ****

[Leicestersaint]

Bournemouth went bust.

West Ham are going bust.

Saints went bust.

Portsmouth went bust.

Tottenham...........?

 

Exactly - and he is a complete and utter ***** ****.

[labibs]

But he has got the best out of the players who were underperforming before he was there. Gomes looks a decent keeper now, Bale, Huddlestone, Pavelechenko (SP) were all stuggling before he was there, i think he is also a good man manager and gets the best out of his players too. never did it for us.

 

To be fair, he wasn't playing Ro Pav or Bale at all for the start of this season and only gave them a start as he had injury problems. As soon as they were given a chance to play, they performed. I don't agree Huddlestone was struggling. He also heavily slated Gomes when he first took over.

 

He's done well there, but he took over an expensively assembled squad, full of players who had a lot of collective experience. He then spent a lot of money on top of that (Defoe, Crouch, Palacious, Kaboul are £50m alone). it's hardly working miracles is it?

[Turkish]

To be fair, he wasn't playing Ro Pav or Bale at all for the start of this season and only gave them a start as he had injury problems. As soon as they were given a chance to play, they performed. I don't agree Huddlestone was struggling. He also heavily slated Gomes when he first took over.

 

He's done well there, but he took over an expensively assembled squad, full of players who had a lot of collective experience. He then spent a lot of money on top of that (Defoe, Crouch, Palacious, Kaboul are £50m alone). it's hardly working miracles is it?

 

None of them were getting in the side so weren't performing, Bale looked very average when he did. Whatever he did to Gomes worked as he is twice the keeper he was when he joined. And as for the money, well you've still got to spend it properly, just look at Liverpool, £200m and this is probably the worst Liverpool side since in 15 years.

[Prince Jazzbo]

I think the following sums up Harry perfectly.

 

When Billy Bonds was WHU manager he was having a few issues with the Board, at the time Harry was his assistant. He apparently told Billy Bonds that he fully supported him in his dispute with the Board, and that if Billy resigned he would go with him, and he wouldn’t take the manager’s job. Soon after Billy Bonds was offered a non football related role and Harry was installed as the manager. Billy resigned from the club and Harry took the job full time.

 

Make of that what you will.

[Capel Saint]

Harry is the master of the media/

 

Cheeky chappie always ready with a quote

 

The media love him similar to Portsmouth having the best supporters in the world.

 

He buys success everytime e,g David James on big money.

 

Skips out when it starts to go tits up.

 

Harry Rednapp complete ****

 

Exactly. He plays the media brilliantly because he will always give them a quote and the sports journos think he's great hence why they were unbelieavably linking him with the England job last year.

 

Also, he will never admit to being wrong and will never apologise. If they lose it is always the team/ref/conditions/pitch fault and never his fault.

 

As mentioned previously by other posters, he is only successful if he is given a large transfer kitty.

 

At West Ham he nearly sent them into admin when he bought in international flops such as Florin Radiciou, Paulo Futre and Markus Boogers who each only played a handful of games due to having continual injuries and not being able to handle the quickness of the Prem. There is certainly no love lost there with the West Ham fans as they considered him a disaster and showed what can go wrong if you give Redkrapp open purse strings.

[Super_Uwe]

Yeah, to be fair, Rupert would still have been a **** if he'd been called Graeme. Souness is a **** manager, Lowe or no Lowe. He wanted an excuse to leave and he got it. Wasn't doing a great job anyway, messing MLT around, bringing money-grabbers in and nearly getting relegated.

 

As for Harry, he was ****e for us because his heart was never in it. That's why I hate the guy. Would never mind someone just not being good enough like Portvliet but trying hard. Yet after all the people who'd given everything to keep the club up all those years, Harry came along and did a half-arsed job with no respect for the fans, club or history.

 

He could, and no doubt would, have kept us up if he'd really been commited to it. We had some good players, great goalscorers, just needed some leadership and a defender. He signed Bernard, Davenport, made Claus of all people captain, played his crippled son and clearly didn't give a toss. He didn't even bother to spend the money he had for a striker in the CCC. Although Fuller was clearly a good buy, that one was the fans fault.

 

Agree with almost everything there, but I don't totally agree with the comments about Fuller.

 

IMHO he was never properly fit when he joined, but when he did finally get the games under his belt he did very little to endear himself to the fans. Time has shown that he is actually a good player - certainly plenty good enough for the Champ - and it's frustrating that his time with us was so poor.

 

I've seen him play for Stoke quite a few times and watched him really putting a proper shift in - he never did that for us. Again, you could possibly argue he probably didn't want to be here either.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Exactly. He plays the media brilliantly because he will always give them a quote and the sports journos think he's great hence why they were unbelieavably linking him with the England job last year.

 

Also, he will never admit to being wrong and will never apologise. If they lose it is always the team/ref/conditions/pitch fault and never his fault.

 

As mentioned previously by other posters, he is only successful if he is given a large transfer kitty.

 

At West Ham he nearly sent them into admin when he bought in international flops such as Florin Radiciou, Paulo Futre and Markus Boogers who each only played a handful of games due to having continual injuries and not being able to handle the quickness of the Prem. There is certainly no love lost there with the West Ham fans as they considered him a disaster and showed what can go wrong if you give Redkrapp open purse strings.

 

I thank you......

[Capel Saint]

I thank you......

 

You're welcome!

[Professor]

I thought Rednapp did OK for Saints. In the relegation season he was given a reasonable budget for the January window to try to rescue the team from going down and I think he brought in 5 players. Limited by who was available but they did OK and ultimately only went down by 1 goal. If the team had scored one more goal to convert a draw into a win, we would have stayed in the Prem that year, which in turn might have changed Rednapp's attitude to staying at Saints, and he may not have returned to Pimpy.

[Turkish]

I thought Rednapp did OK for Saints. In the relegation season he was given a reasonable budget for the January window to try to rescue the team from going down and I think he brought in 5 players. Limited by who was available but they did OK and ultimately only went down by 1 goal. If the team had scored one more goal to convert a draw into a win, we would have stayed in the Prem that year, which in turn might have changed Rednapp's attitude to staying at Saints, and he may not have returned to Pimpy.

 

I assume you had just had a boot when you wrote that. He was ****e for us. We finished bottom and deservedly so. Games that stick in my mind apart from the obvious embarassment at Fratton Park are the 2-3 loss at home to Villa after being 2-0 up, 2-2 v 'Boro when we were 2-0 at 90 minutes. When you cant hold onto two goal leads you dont deserve to stay up. Although rumour has it he tried to sign Micheal Dawson and Andy Reid who were both at Forest at the time i think and got knocked back by Rupert, if we'd have got those two i think it would have sorted us out.

[Berkshire Saint]

I assume you had just had a boot when you wrote that. He was ****e for us. We finished bottom and deservedly so. Games that stick in my mind apart from the obvious embarassment at Fratton Park are the 2-3 loss at home to Villa after being 2-0 up, 2-2 v 'Boro when we were 2-0 at 90 minutes. When you cant hold onto two goal leads you dont deserve to stay up. Although rumour has it he tried to sign Micheal Dawson and Andy Reid who were both at Forest at the time i think and got knocked back by Rupert, if we'd have got those two i think it would have sorted us out.

 

Dunno about Dawson. But the Reid one was us offering them Kenton and Ormerod plus a couple of million for him. The offer was accepted but he rejected us and went to Spurs.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Fish out of water.

[SaintRobbie]

Did well at Bournemouth, got West Ham into Europe, got Pompey promoted and won the FA Cup (please dont go on about bankrupting Pompey, that wasn't his fault, he didn't run the clubs finances if a manager is given money to spend to improve the team they'll spend it) now got Spurs into the champions league. yet for us he was awful, the only place he has failed. And before you all jump on the band wagon a bout what a tosser he is, i seem to remember when Hoddle left a lot of people wanted Redknapp as manager then and were disapointed he didn't get it.

 

Rupert Lowe and the plc regime is the reason why Arry couldnt/wouldnt perform.

 

- Made Arry look foolish with Sir Clive Woodward from the start.

 

- Bred a Club that had such an appalling Boardroom that it had lost touch with the footballing part of the Club (something Arry has actually said time and again).

 

- Had already forced the purchase of mediocre players and even Arry was unable to find enough replacements in the January window to overcome the loss of quality Lowe had presided over.

 

- The club was miserable, already defeatist and fractured.

 

- Arry is only successful when given an open cheque book... something Lowe was never going to allow, even if it meant staying up in the Premier League.

 

Arry is a good manager, not a miracle worker.

Edited 9 May, 2010 by SaintRobbie