TopGun Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 £531M losses, and yet these unions continue to hold the company to ransom Every single person who goes on strike should be sacked, absolute tossers I tend to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 I've changed my stance on this, after finding out about the bullying nature of the Union staff, the ridiculous things they've been doing, and also finding out some interesting information on the Union, how it is run, and what they've been doing to some staff, I wholeheartedly say they should go **** themselves. I will also further emphasise that this short sighted outlook will have massive consequences to the staff in question IF they continue with these strikes. Overpaid, underworked morons. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2010 still these sort of unions actions have no place in the UK in 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 I will laugh my head off if BA goes bust and the commie trolley dollies end up on the dole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 Our regional unite offer is nothing but a thig and a bully, so its a unite trend not a BA trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 Sadly Dell days still these sort of unions actions have no place in the UK in 2010 There actions are getting far worse and you have only just seen the beginnning of them flexing their muscle power! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 Will we have the return of the red jacket brigade re writting history and telling stories.. Be on the lookout for any of these Macarthy boyzz infiltrating this forum.. I hope it does not get toooo hot out there on the picket line for my old Uncle Duncan.... Not at his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 One of the union leaders was wearing a suit with a polo shirt buttoned up to the top on the telly the other day. That's the sort of class of person we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 21 May, 2010 Share Posted 21 May, 2010 Unite Trade Union Emails Reveal Extent of Communist Party Network in Britain The leaked emails from senior Unite official and British Communist Party (BCP) executive member Graham Stevenson, as published by a daily newspaper, have revealed the full extent of how the extremist crank left has extended its influence throughout the establishment. http://www.europeantruth.co.uk/uaf%20and%20unite.html Thanks Stan, for that Freudian Slip and the broken link to the BNP site. (Here) was the link word which went to this site: http://bnp.org.uk/?q=2010/03/unite-trade-union-emails-reveal-extent-of-communist-party-network-in-britain Fortunately that page cannot, now, be found. I don't believe that Leopards can change their spots, even by changing their forum name and avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 strikes may be called off... the holding this company to ransom are making me sick to be honest...striking over perks now...do these people not realise that europe/UK is in the sh1t...? the protesters that stormed the building to have a pop at walsh are an embarrassment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 strikes may be called off... the holding this company to ransom are making me sick to be honest...striking over perks now...do these people not realise that europe/UK is in the sh1t...? the protesters that stormed the building to have a pop at walsh are an embarrassment.. They should be flogged and chained to their trolleys, how dare they attempt to stand up for what they believe in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Surely if the BA management had done their jobs properly and tried to find a compromise,rather than try to suddenly change the workers pay and conditions,then the workers would not feel the need to strike? People only tend to strike as a last opion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 They should be flogged and chained to their trolleys, how dare they attempt to stand up for what they believe in! or they should be thankful they have a job....like the rest of us who do ATM..not as if they work in a victorian sweat shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 or they should be thankful they have a job....like the rest of us who do ATM..not as if they work in a victorian sweat shop. But thats exactly what management want everyone to think.Like a lot of people,i havent had a payrise for two years,yet the cost of living keeps getting higher.There has to be a point when the workers say enough is enough.After all,withdrawing your labour is the only bargaining tool you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 But thats exactly what management want everyone to think.Like a lot of people,i havent had a payrise for two years,yet the cost of living keeps getting higher.There has to be a point when the workers say enough is enough.After all,withdrawing your labour is the only bargaining tool you have. Exactly, it would seem that agreement has been almost reached on at least two occasions. A change of conditions by agreement is much easier to attain than just imposing your will which, I think, is why this is dragging on. I think Mr Walsh is more bullish because he feels the climate is ripe to beat ten bales out of the Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 But thats exactly what management want everyone to think.Like a lot of people,i havent had a payrise for two years,yet the cost of living keeps getting higher.There has to be a point when the workers say enough is enough.After all,withdrawing your labour is the only bargaining tool you have. they could leave and find new jobs..not as if BA are in the sh1t is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Exactly, it would seem that agreement has been almost reached on at least two occasions. A change of conditions by agreement is much easier to attain than just imposing your will which, I think, is why this is dragging on. I think Mr Walsh is more bullish because he feels the climate is ripe to beat ten bales out of the Union. You surprise me Your tree hugging posts over the years suggested you were a Liberal, not a militant I'm glad Duncan got sacked & I hope all his strikers receive their P45's very soon too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 You surprise me Your tree hugging posts over the years suggested you were a Liberal, not a militant I'm glad Duncan got sacked & I hope all his strikers receive their P45's very soon too I'm not glad ff got sacked, but he deserved to be fired imo because it seems like he took far too much time off doing his union work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 they could leave and find new jobs..not as if BA are in the sh1t is it But why should they?A lot of people have put in years of service and have made a carreer from their jobs.When they appiled for a job at BA,they were given a list of terms and conditions which included working hours,pay,perks etc.Now BA want to completely change all of these. Now im all for management going to the unions and asking if they can come to an agreement concerning these,but its totally unfair to impose these changes regardless. Also dont forget that the BA workers all volunteered for a pay cut a couple of years ago to try and help the company through the ressession. This is how they are repayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 But why should they?A lot of people have put in years of service and have made a carreer from their jobs.. because the company is on the verge of going bust...up and down the country, people in the private sector have been taking cuts in some way or another...even in the forces we have seen cut after cut after cut..even when the country was throwing cash around, we got cut.. why should these people have all their perks that cost money when the company/country is on the verge of going bust..? they are already the industry leaders in pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 I'm not glad ff got sacked, but he deserved to be fired imo because it seems like he took far too much time off doing his union work. Dune without unions you would not have things like a minium wage,workers rights(although these are dwindling fast) and things like guaranteed minium number of holidays. Cant ever believe any form of management giving these things away out of the goodness of their hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 You know what, I've changed my mind. B*llocks to the " Saints fan so I'll say best wishes " You lot are f*cking up innocent peoples holiday / business plans etc over f*ck all, your staff are not being treated in an inhumane way... deal with it or f*ck off. And you don't get any sympathy for me that you haven't got a job. Tough sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Dune without unions you would not have things like a minium wage,workers rights(although these are dwindling fast) and things like guaranteed minium number of holidays. Cant ever believe any form of management giving these things away out of the goodness of their hearts. Management would be forced to offer favourable perks if our country wasn't a mecca for immigrants. While foreigners keep flooding in from Poland etc workers will never get the best deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 they wanted to strike this time over their freebees.... I have seen the lavish hotels and stop overs these trolly dollys get..I have met a few on my travels around the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 because the company is on the verge of going bust...up and down the country, people in the private sector have been taking cuts in some way or another...even in the forces we have seen cut after cut after cut..even when the country was throwing cash around, we got cut.. why should these people have all their perks that cost money when the company/country is on the verge of going bust..? they are already the industry leaders in pay For what its worth i think one of the things we should never cut is the armed forces. But to get back to the subject,i bet most of the high up people in management who make the decisions concerning BA walk away with golden handshakes,despite their lack of ability to save BA. Like i said earlier,how much is scare mongering and how much is real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Management would be forced to offer favourable perks if our country wasn't a mecca for immigrants. While foreigners keep flooding in from Poland etc workers will never get the best deal. I think thats another can of worms to be opened at another time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 For what its worth i think one of the things we should never cut is the armed forces. But to get back to the subject,i bet most of the high up people in management who make the decisions concerning BA walk away with golden handshakes,despite their lack of ability to save BA. Like i said earlier,how much is scare mongering and how much is real? I think (like the fireman stike) this is a complete selfish waste of time for a group of people who already have it quite good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 For what its worth i think one of the things we should never cut is the armed forces. But to get back to the subject,i bet most of the high up people in management who make the decisions concerning BA walk away with golden handshakes,despite their lack of ability to save BA. Like i said earlier,how much is scare mongering and how much is real? The numpty nobbers like FF are going on strike to try and get perks from a company who has just announced losing half a billion pounds. Their action is costing BA another 100 million, all the stupid c*nts are too thick to realise they are simply banging more nails in the BA coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 For what its worth i think one of the things we should never cut is the armed forces. But to get back to the subject,i bet most of the high up people in management who make the decisions concerning BA walk away with golden handshakes,despite their lack of ability to save BA. Like i said earlier,how much is scare mongering and how much is real? Its usually those at the top that are creaming the most out of company's that are also the last out the door. Cost cutting usually starts with the staff at the bottom while the fat cats sit tight collecting there bonus's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 The numpty nobbers like FF are going on strike to try and get perks from a company who has just announced losing half a billion pounds. Their action is costing BA another 100 million, all the stupid c*nts are too thick to realise they are simply banging more nails in the BA coffin. Everyone knows how bad BA are doing at the moment,but what are those who work for them suppose to do?Just let management do what they like? If your boss said to you Stu that your pay was getting cut by a large amount and you have to work twice as hard,would you go along with it,or try to do something about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 I didn't realise, until I heard it on the news yesterday, that something like 11% of the Heathrow cabin crew live in Europe and rely on those 'perks' to commute to and from work :shock: And I think I'm right in that the perks can only be used to fill up otherwise empty seats so don't actually cost the company anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Everyone knows how bad BA are doing at the moment,but what are those who work for them suppose to do?Just let management do what they like? If your boss said to you Stu that your pay was getting cut by a large amount and you have to work twice as hard,would you go along with it,or try to do something about it? Yes I would do something about it. I worked for Norwich Union a few years ago, they had a review and said that my bonus and commision was being restructured and I would lose 40% of my pay if I worked 25% harder... what did I do? I quit and got another job. Why do you think they are cutting money mate? Because they have been losing hundreds of millions each year! They are not doing it to pocket money! They are doing it to save money and keep the company afloat! I could never go on strike knowing full well that I would be ruining many childrens holiday etc, stopping people from seeing their families and leaving people stranded across the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 I didn't realise, until I heard it on the news yesterday, that something like 11% of the Heathrow cabin crew live in Europe and rely on those 'perks' to commute to and from work :shock: And I think I'm right in that the perks can only be used to fill up otherwise empty seats so don't actually cost the company anything? ah...no wonder they desperately want to keep these PERKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Yes I would do something about it. I worked for Norwich Union a few years ago, they had a review and said that my bonus and commision was being restructured and I would lose 40% of my pay if I worked 25% harder... what did I do? I quit and got another job. Why do you think they are cutting money mate? Because they have been losing hundreds of millions each year! They are not doing it to pocket money! They are doing it to save money and keep the company afloat! I could never go on strike knowing full well that I would be ruining many childrens holiday etc, stopping people from seeing their families and leaving people stranded across the world. I feel for the children, they need their holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 I feel for the children, they need their holidays. Didn't you when you were a kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 ah...no wonder they desperately want to keep these PERKS Of course they do, if it's the only way they can afford to get to work. Tell me TDD, do members of the armed forces still get free / travel concessions? If they travel in uniform? They always used to, as did the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Of course they do, if it's the only way they can afford to get to work. they could pay to commute..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 I've edited my post TDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Didn't you when you were a kid?I went to the Isle of wight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Exactly, it would seem that agreement has been almost reached on at least two occasions. A change of conditions by agreement is much easier to attain than just imposing your will which, I think, is why this is dragging on. I think Mr Walsh is more bullish because he feels the climate is ripe to beat ten bales out of the Union. Huntigdon accused me of being militant with the above. By my reckoning this----------> But why should they?A lot of people have put in years of service and have made a carreer from their jobs.When they appiled for a job at BA,they were given a list of terms and conditions which included working hours,pay,perks etc.Now BA want to completely change all of these. Now im all for management going to the unions and asking if they can come to an agreement concerning these,but its totally unfair to impose these changes regardless. Also dont forget that the BA workers all volunteered for a pay cut a couple of years ago to try and help the company through the ressession. This is how they are repayed. must be communist! I agree with you by the way as it's exactly what I was saying ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Of course they do, if it's the only way they can afford to get to work. Tell me TDD, do members of the armed forces still get free / travel concessions? If they travel in uniform? They always used to, as did the police. NO, basically... you can apply for travel warrants but they have cut these back so much over the years so many perks/pay allowances have been cut back or "renamed" over the years I have lost count..not once to put more (or even the same) money in our pockets..they changed the pension scheme in 2005 too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 they wanted to strike this time over their freebees.... I have seen the lavish hotels and stop overs these trolly dollys get..I have met a few on my travels around the world And where do you stay on stopovers in places like Dubai or whatever port there is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 And where do you stay on stopovers in places like Dubai? hotels...? your point..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 hotels...? your point..? Could you desctribe these hotels please, are they lavish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Could you desctribe these hotels please, are they lavish? they can be nice...but I dont work for BA...? I am in the armed forces that faces a new cut almost daily and ahs done so for the 11 years I have been in.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 Of course they do, if it's the only way they can afford to get to work. Tell me TDD, do members of the armed forces still get free / travel concessions? If they travel in uniform? They always used to, as did the police. That's b*llocks. You get 4 Travel Warrants a year to get you from barracks to your home. Travel in uniform? You have only been allowed to wear uniform when off-duty for a few years... so you talk rubbish.... typical women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 I think if a company is losing as much money as BA is the directors are entitled to make whatever changes they want. If my company was doing a similar thing I would be grateful to have a job. I think what is happening now is a sign of things to come. People are happy to talk about the recession but when it comes to having to make changes themselves (ie: work harder for less) then they are not prepared to do sacrifice anything. I think we can expect similar things when the Tories rightly start laying of teachers, police etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 they can be nice...but I dont work for BA...? I am in the armed forces that faces a new cut almost daily and ahs done so for the 11 years I have been in.. No you don't work for BA. You get what you signed up for, along with total obedience (and I don't mean that disparingly) while BA employees get what they signed up for. When it comes to change you obviously have no recourse to any action if you are told your conditions are changing. For BA employees they have a right to take legally organised action including withdrawing their labour when changes are imposed when negotiation could well have got the same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 That's b*llocks. You get 4 Travel Warrants a year to get you from barracks to your home. Travel in uniform? You have only been allowed to wear uniform when off-duty for a few years... so you talk rubbish.... typical women. I asked a question - because I didn't know how it is these days (hence my use of the phrase 'it always used to be the case' - this implies 'some time ago'). What IS your problem Stu? Is there anyone in the world you're not angry with? You could get help you know...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 May, 2010 Share Posted 23 May, 2010 No you don't work for BA. You get what you signed up for, along with total obedience (and I don't mean that disparingly) while BA employees get what they signed up for. When it comes to change you obviously have no recourse to any action if you are told your conditions are changing. For BA employees they have a right to take legally organised action including withdrawing their labour when changes are imposed when negotiation could well have got the same result. What would your thoughts be about them if you had booked a wedding in Jamaica and BA went on strike meaning that neither you or your guests could get there, costing you and your guests thousands of pounds and cancelling your wedding day. Would you turn round and say with a smile " nevermind, they are allowed to strike, it's their right " Course you would.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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