The Eton Rifles

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Kudos to the Mirror in revealing the truth behind a potential Tory government:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/

 

"We came out of it naturally the worst:

Beaten and bloody, and I was sick down my shirt.

We were no match for their untamed wit,

Though some of the lads said they'd be back next week.

 

Hello-Hurrah - it's the price to pay to the Eton Rifles.

Hello-Hurrah - I'd prefer the plague to the Eton Rifles."

[Wes Tender]

Kudos to the Mirror in revealing the truth behind a potential Tory government:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/

 

"We came out of it naturally the worst:

Beaten and bloody, and I was sick down my shirt.

We were no match for their untamed wit,

Though some of the lads said they'd be back next week.

 

Hello-Hurrah - it's the price to pay to the Eton Rifles.

Hello-Hurrah - I'd prefer the plague to the Eton Rifles."

 

Kudos? What Kudos do they gain, this red top rag, for printing garbage?

 

Or did you mean that they gain kudos in the stakes for being amongst the best examples of a comic masquerading as a newspaper?

 

And you, who are so obviously one of Labour's class warriors, lapped it up, even accepting that because it was published in that rag, it must be the truth.

 

If you weren't so naive and gullible, you'd realise that it is the increasingly desperate scare tactics of the bust flush that is the Labour party, struggling to convince the electorate that they have the answers to the problems that they themselves created. What a shame that this rag is mostly read by Labour supporters anyway, so the Mirror is pushing on an open door with them. I very much doubt that their readership includes many teachers, nurses and policemen, as mostly they have more intelligence than to read that chip paper wrapper.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Kudos? What Kudos do they gain, this red top rag, for printing garbage?

 

Or did you mean that they gain kudos in the stakes for being amongst the best examples of a comic masquerading as a newspaper?

 

And you, who are so obviously one of Labour's class warriors, lapped it up, even accepting that because it was published in that rag, it must be the truth.

 

If you weren't so naive and gullible, you'd realise that it is the increasingly desperate scare tactics of the bust flush that is the Labour party, struggling to convince the electorate that they have the answers to the problems that they themselves created. What a shame that this rag is mostly read by Labour supporters anyway, so the Mirror is pushing on an open door with them. I very much doubt that their readership includes many teachers, nurses and policemen, as mostly they have more intelligence than to read that chip paper wrapper.

 

Ironic as we all know that if a damning of Labour policy was printed in The Sun it would 'determine the election'...

 

I don't read the Mirror, I saw the headline on BBC Breakfast news this morning and investigated further...2,400 Police officers and 14,200 teachers? While the numbers seem very 'accuarate', it still highlights, even though they probably are preaching to the converted, that under a Tory government, thanks to these public sector cuts, crime will go up and quality of education will decline.

[Wes Tender]

Ironic as we all know that if a damning of Labour policy was printed in The Sun it would 'determine the election'...

 

I don't read the Mirror, I saw the headline on BBC Breakfast news this morning and investigated further...2,400 Police officers and 14,200 teachers? While the numbers seem very 'accuarate', it still highlights, even though they probably are preaching to the converted, that under a Tory government, thanks to these public sector cuts, crime will go up and quality of education will decline.

 

I reiterate. What concrete proof do you have of these figures? I venture to suggest that there is no evidence whatsoever, so it is a total fabrication and one that you are gullible enough to swallow. Thankfully, enough of the electorate are savvy enough not to believe everything they hear and vote on their own understanding or experiences of what the real situation might be.

[Scummer]

Some awful scaremongering in there.

 

First they say:

 

And by axing child tax credits and free nursery places, Mr Cameron and his shadow chancellor George Osborne will hammer the poorest.

 

But then tucked away at the bottom:

 

Other casualties will include child tax credits for middle income families

 

The Child Tax credits cut will only impact couples earning around £50k and upwards. Hardly the poorest. Plus that will be largely negated by the reversal of the NI increase.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I reiterate. What concrete proof do you have of these figures? I venture to suggest that there is no evidence whatsoever, so it is a total fabrication and one that you are gullible enough to swallow. Thankfully, enough of the electorate are savvy enough not to believe everything they hear and vote on their own understanding or experiences of what the real situation might be.

 

I challenge you to find me proof that it ISN'T going to happen...

 

Gordon Brown on 5Live this morning by the way for the next 30 mins...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/connect/

[Wes Tender]

I challenge you to find me proof that it ISN'T going to happen...

 

Gordon Brown on 5Live this morning by the way for the next 30 mins...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/connect/

 

I challenged you first and it is you who believe this crap, not me.

 

Gordon Brown is a liar, attempting to scaremonger the electorate into saving his sorry arse, aided and abetted by virtually the only rag that hasn't abandoned Labour.

 

Planet Zog is going to collide with Earth tomorrow. You read it here first. I challenge you to disprove it.

[IamLeGod]

I challenge you to find me proof that it ISN'T going to happen...

 

Gordon Brown on 5Live this morning by the way for the next 30 mins...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/connect/

 

Is that how it works now? Typical Left wing-garbage. Guilty until proven innocent.

 

Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg are in a secret pact to take power, then once their pass a law that allows them to show up at any door in the country, stroll in and rape any woman in the house.

 

Prove it isnt going to happen. About as much grounding in fact as your argument. God I hate Labour.

[Wade Garrett]

Kudos? What Kudos do they gain, this red top rag, for printing garbage?

 

Or did you mean that they gain kudos in the stakes for being amongst the best examples of a comic masquerading as a newspaper?

 

And you, who are so obviously one of Labour's class warriors, lapped it up, even accepting that because it was published in that rag, it must be the truth.

If you weren't so naive and gullible, you'd realise that it is the increasingly desperate scare tactics of the bust flush that is the Labour party, struggling to convince the electorate that they have the answers to the problems that they themselves created. What a shame that this rag is mostly read by Labour supporters anyway, so the Mirror is pushing on an open door with them. I very much doubt that their readership includes many teachers, nurses and policemen, as mostly they have more intelligence than to read that chip paper wrapper.

 

There you go again Wes. Insulting people because they don't have the same view as you.

[trousers]

No, the Mirror is right...Labour's Britain is much fairer....

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272512/20-000-benefits-father-seven-children-video-games--pay-huge-booze-bill.html

[1976_Child]

Christ alive people! Haven't you got it yet?

 

There is no more money left! There will be cuts. The only way to cut the sort of amounts needed is to reduce the public sector head count. It is mathematics. This is why, who ever forms the next government, I predict that there will be bloody revolution in our streets:

 

a) If the cuts are made there will have to be such pain that those people who got used to a comfortable existence courtesy of the state - never mind how necessary they are - will be out on the streets rioting or

 

b) If the cuts are not made the bond market will implode and the entire country will grind to a halt like Greece, and once again people will be on the streets rioting.

 

A good investment right now would be in a company which makes riot gear for the police! This is not going to be peaceful.

[trousers]

Surely there aren't thick people out there who will riot at the first sign of necessary cuts...oh...

 

And then there'll be the even less bright people who blame the Tories (if they get in power) for the riots...

 

Mr Cameron will secretly be a relieved man if he has no overall majority on Friday. Outright victory will be a poisioned challice

[buctootim]

Christ alive people! Haven't you got it yet?

 

There is no more money left! There will be cuts. A good investment right now would be in a company which makes riot gear for the police! This is not going to be peaceful.

 

I reckon most people know deep down the boom of the past has been paid for by borrowing and the next few years are going to be painful. Thats why there has been record paying down of private debts. They'll be the occasional strike but I dont think we are going to see the 1970s or 80s over again.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Is that how it works now? Typical Left wing-garbage. Guilty until proven innocent.

 

Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg are in a secret pact to take power, then once their pass a law that allows them to show up at any door in the country, stroll in and rape any woman in the house.

 

Prove it isnt going to happen. About as much grounding in fact as your argument. God I hate Labour.

 

I will HAPPILY eat humble pie if I am proved wrong in a few years time...

[Gemmel]

Surely there aren't thick people out there who will riot at the first sign of necessary cuts...oh...

 

And then there'll be the even less bright people who blame the Tories (if they get in power) for the riots...

 

Mr Cameron will secretly be a relieved man if he has no overall majority on Friday. Outright victory will be a poisioned challice

 

Absolutely. I am a Torie, but even if he gets the majority, it is as you say "A poisioned chalice" . A hung parliment, might sort out the voting system, but that's as good as it gets.

[Saint George]

Kudos to the Mirror in revealing the truth behind a potential Tory government:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/

 

"We came out of it naturally the worst:

Beaten and bloody, and I was sick down my shirt.

We were no match for their untamed wit,

Though some of the lads said they'd be back next week.

 

Hello-Hurrah - it's the price to pay to the Eton Rifles.

Hello-Hurrah - I'd prefer the plague to the Eton Rifles."

 

Sounds to me that someone's getting a little worried that Nannys teat's about to dry up....not surprising really.....What with half a Nation suckling at it for so long.

[1976_Child]

I reckon most people know deep down the boom of the past has been paid for by borrowing and the next few years are going to be painful. Thats why there has been record paying down of private debts. They'll be the occasional strike but I dont think we are going to see the 1970s or 80s over again.

 

I think people who, and I hesitate to say it, are educated and bright will know that there is pain to come. The problem is that vast, vast numbers of people have absolutely no comprehension of how the economy works, how the monetary system works or even have a basic understanding as to the difference between money and wealth.

 

To a lot of people, money and wealth are the same thing. They have been so brainwashed by the relative prosperity of the last 30 years that the abstraction of money from the physical world of wealth and sweat has become the norm. It is however still an abstraction. The government has no money, and now that the country's mineral deposits and fossil-fuels have been depleted almost no remaining true wealth. Money is an analog for productive labour. Take away the production, or inputs to production such as physical resources and capital, and the 'money' has no value.

 

Now don't go thinking I am a capitalist evangelist. I am not. But this is the way the monetary and government-sponsored welfare state is currently constructed and without fundamentally changing the system you will see big public dissatisfaction when the easy-money tap is turned off. None of the parties are looking critically at the root cause of the problems we face. And almost no one in the country at large has any real understanding of it either.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Sounds to me that someone's getting a little worried that Nannys teat's about to dry up....not surprising really.....What with half a Nation suckling at it for so long.

 

I have not/never have been 'suckling' Saint George. I am worried that I will be forced to quit my job!

[1976_Child]

I have not/never have been 'suckling' Saint George. I am worried that I will be forced to quit my job!

 

what do you do Thorpe?

[GenevaSaint]

what do you do Thorpe?

 

Teacher I believe.

[buctootim]

I think people who, and I hesitate to say it, are educated and bright will know that there is pain to come. The problem is that vast, vast numbers of people have absolutely no comprehension of how the economy works, how the monetary system works or even have a basic understanding as to the difference between money and wealth.

 

To a lot of people, money and wealth are the same thing. They have been so brainwashed by the relative prosperity of the last 30 years that the abstraction of money from the physical world of wealth and sweat has become the norm. It is however still an abstraction. The government has no money, and now that the country's mineral deposits and fossil-fuels have been depleted almost no remaining true wealth. Money is an analog for productive labour. Take away the production, or inputs to production such as physical resources and capital, and the 'money' has no value.

 

Now don't go thinking I am a capitalist evangelist. I am not. But this is the way the monetary and government-sponsored welfare state is currently constructed and without fundamentally changing the system you will see big public dissatisfaction when the easy-money tap is turned off. None of the parties are looking critically at the root cause of the problems we face. And almost no one in the country at large has any real understanding of it either.

 

Can't disagree with most of that. I just hope that the proportion of the population who 'get it' are greater than you fear. As somebody who tends towards Labour, I do think their unforgivable error over the past 10 years has been to allow public spending to rise as a % of GDP during a protracted period of economic growth. Running a surplus and paying off debt during the good times is what they should have been doing so that you have room to borrow and stimulate the economy when the recession inevitably comes around again, ie now.

[1976_Child]

Running a surplus and paying off debt during the good times is what they should have been doing so that you have room to borrow and stimulate the economy when the recession inevitably comes around again, ie now.

 

Which is what Keynesian economics is correctly about. It gets my heckles up when I hear people, usually on the left but also Tory, who bleat on and on about having a 'Keynesian approach to recessions'. Brown did pay down some of the debt in the early years but only with the windfall from selling the 3G mobile phone licenses. Otherwise it was all spend, spend, spend.

[buctootim]

Which is what Keynesian economics is correctly about. It gets my heckles up when I hear people, usually on the left but also Tory, who bleat on and on about having a 'Keynesian approach to recessions'. Brown did pay down some of the debt in the early years but only with the windfall from selling the 3G mobile phone licenses. Otherwise it was all spend, spend, spend.

 

Yes they tend to remember the part about spending your way out recession, whilst having conveniently forgotten the controlling spending part during economic expansions.

[1976_Child]

Yes they tend to remember the part about spending your way out recession, whilst having conveniently forgotten the controlling spending part during economic expansions.

 

It's nothing new! If you remember the Biblical story about Joseph and his amazing technicoloured coat you will see that when pharaoh hired Joseph to sort the country out, Joseph (being a good Keynesian, and having interpreted pharaoh's dreams correctly) set about saving a certain amount of the harvest each year for seven 'boom' years. Then the recession (drought) came and Egypt was sitting pretty and could feed its people. However Joseph's brothers where starving so they trekked to Egypt prepared to buy grain (go into deficit). However he brothers' current account deficit did not also widened as there was only one currency in those days: gold!

 

Edited 5 May, 2010 by 1976_Child

[Wes Tender]

There you go again Wes. Insulting people because they don't have the same view as you.

 

Well, if you believe what that rag has fabricated, what would you call yourself?

 

You say further down that you will happily eat humble pie if you are proved wrong, but that infers that the article is not the gospel truth and that it might not come to pass, doesn't it?

 

If somebody is prepared to vote on the basis of something written in a red top, where the article is written on behalf of one party attempting to smear their main rival and where there is no factual basis for it, then what would you call them? Naive and gullible seems to hit the mark pretty well.

[Wilko]

Kudos to the Mirror in revealing the truth behind a potential Tory government:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/

 

"We came out of it naturally the worst:

Beaten and bloody, and I was sick down my shirt.

We were no match for their untamed wit,

Though some of the lads said they'd be back next week.

 

Hello-Hurrah - it's the price to pay to the Eton Rifles.

Hello-Hurrah - I'd prefer the plague to the Eton Rifles."

 

David Cameron is a fan of this song.

 

Paul Weller said: "If you don't even get what this is about, you're not up to running a country."

 

I agree with Paul.

[Wade Garrett]

Well, if you believe what that rag has fabricated, what would you call yourself?

 

You say further down that you will happily eat humble pie if you are proved wrong, but that infers that the article is not the gospel truth and that it might not come to pass, doesn't it?

 

If somebody is prepared to vote on the basis of something written in a red top, where the article is written on behalf of one party attempting to smear their main rival and where there is no factual basis for it, then what would you call them? Naive and gullible seems to hit the mark pretty well.

 

I suppose Sun readers who vote Tory are 'enlightened'.

 

You seem unable to respect an alternative point of view, resorting to insults and petty name calling.

[scotty]

just on a side note, that jam song was brilliant. Going underground was even better tho

[teamsaint]

last I looked, (any time in the last 40 years) the conservatives looked after their own ("our people" as maggie said), cut taxes for the rich, and didn't give a stuff about unemployment as it keeps the workers grateful to have a jo at all.

 

Thats what they will do if they get in.

 

Beats me why any normal person on a footy website would want that to happen, but its a free country.............if not, with murdoch in charge, a free press.

[dune]

I suppose Sun readers who vote Tory are 'enlightened'.

 

You seem unable to respect an alternative point of view, resorting to insults and petty name calling.

 

A Jedi uses his powers for knowledge and defense...never to attack.

[IamLeGod]

just on a side note, that jam song was brilliant. Going underground was even better tho

 

Good point.

[scotty]

Good point.

 

nothing gets past me mate

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Read how the Tories have 'sorted out' Hammersmith and Fulham since they came to power...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poverty-and-injustice-in-david-cameronrsquos-model-borough-1962318.html

 

Charging disabled people for care and turning away a pregnant hoimeless women amongst other things! Feckin disgraceful...good luck everyone!

[GenevaSaint]

Read how the Tories have 'sorted out' Hammersmith and Fulham since they came to power...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poverty-and-injustice-in-david-cameronrsquos-model-borough-1962318.html

 

Charging disabled people for care and turning away a pregnant hoimeless women amongst other things! Feckin disgraceful...good luck everyone!

 

It's all a lie Thorpe, those damn left wing papers have made it all up :-D

[Wes Tender]

I suppose Sun readers who vote Tory are 'enlightened'.

 

You seem unable to respect an alternative point of view, resorting to insults and petty name calling.

 

It wasn't an alternative point of view. It was a fabrication. Calling somebody naive or gullible isn't name-calling. It is an expression of opinion.

 

People only read the Sun for page three and other titillating stuff. Nobody takes their news any more seriously than they do the Mirror's. Both are the journalistic equivalent of comics.

[Wade Garrett]

It wasn't an alternative point of view. It was a fabrication. Calling somebody naive or gullible isn't name-calling. It is an expression of opinion.

People only read the Sun for page three and other titillating stuff. Nobody takes their news any more seriously than they do the Mirror's. Both are the journalistic equivalent of comics.

 

Fair enough, my intolerant, know-it-all friend.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

David Cameron is a fan of this song.

 

Paul Weller said: "If you don't even get what this is about, you're not up to running a country."

 

I agree with Paul.

 

Typical Eton Boy Dave not having a clue what the actual song is about and having no understanding about working class people.

 

I'd rather eat my own faeces than vote for that knob.

[Wes Tender]

Fair enough, my intolerant, know-it-all friend.

I don't claim to know it all. But I'll fight my corner and call it how I see it. I called Thorpe- Le- Saint those things because his opening post declared that the Mirror had "revealed the truth" behind a potential future Conservative Government.

 

Do you believe that the article was the truth, when it could only be conjecture?

[Wilko]

Typical Eton Boy Dave not having a clue what the actual song is about and having no understanding about working class people.

 

I'd rather eat my own faeces than vote for that knob.

 

Indeed.

 

I'm set for a long night in Weston-super-Mare. The incumbent Tory, a Cambridge graduate from a £24k-a-year private school and lives in a huge mansion outside of town, is facing a battle with the Lib Dem, who went to a local state school and llives in a town centre terrace. I know who I think is better representative of the constituency.

[Wes Tender]

Indeed.

 

I'm set for a long night in Weston-super-Mare. The incumbent Tory, a Cambridge graduate from a £24k-a-year private school and lives in a huge mansion outside of town, is facing a battle with the Lib Dem, who went to a local state school and llives in a town centre terrace. I know who I think is better representative of the constituency.

 

Nick Clegg had a privileged private education at Caldicott and Westminster. He comes from and also married into families from a wealthy background.

 

Blair's education was similarly privileged, at a private Prep School followed by Fettes College, dubbed the Eton of the North.

 

And yet, how often do we hear criticism of Cameron, about how much of a toff he is and yet nothing about Blair and Clegg?

 

There are just too many hypocritical class warriors on the left of British Politics.

 

As to whether to choose somebody who has had a superb education and whose ownership of a sizeable property reflects their success in life, or somebody else whose education was average and whose lack of success in life was exhibited by their humble abode, well, that's a hard choice, isn't it?

 

You see how easy it is to turn on its head? Presumably, as a man of principle, you won't be voting for Clegg's party because of his expensive private education and big house. Brown is the one of the three from a humbler background. Will you be voting for him?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Nick Clegg had a privileged private education at Caldicott and Westminster. He comes from and also married into families from a wealthy background.

 

Blair's education was similarly privileged, at a private Prep School followed by Fettes College, dubbed the Eton of the North.

 

And yet, how often do we hear criticism of Cameron, about how much of a toff he is and yet nothing about Blair and Clegg?

 

There are just too many hypocritical class warriors on the left of British Politics.

 

As to whether to choose somebody who has had a superb education and whose ownership of a sizeable property reflects their success in life, or somebody else whose education was average and whose lack of success in life was exhibited by their humble abode, well, that's a hard choice, isn't it?

 

You see how easy it is to turn on its head? Presumably, as a man of principle, you won't be voting for Clegg's party because of his expensive private education and big house. Brown is the one of the three from a humbler background. Will you be voting for him?

 

Correct, and dont forget Ed Balls and Harriot Harman, class warriors who also attended fee paying schools.

 

The problem with Labour is the double standards. They send their own children to private schools whilst playing the class warriors. Look at that great leftie Diane Abbot, opposed to private schools and yet sends her offspring to one.

Who came from a normal middle class family and went on to become Prime Minister, a certain Mrs M Thatcher a grocer's daughter.

 

To all the right on lefties in the Labour party, when are you going to have a female leader, the dinosaur's in the Tory party did it a generation ago?

Surely Maggie ticks all their boxes, female and not posh. It's about time Labour moved into the new century and gave a woman a chance.

[badgerx16]

To all the right on lefties in the Labour party, when are you going to have a female leader, the dinosaur's in the Tory party did it a generation ago?

Surely Maggie ticks all their boxes, female and not posh. It's about time Labour moved into the new century and gave a woman a chance.

As a result of Maggie, the chances of another female party leader are very slight for the forseeable future. ( Not prejudice, the view of my wife - who happens to have a politics degree ).

[Lord Duckhunter]

As a result of Maggie, the chances of another female party leader are very slight for the forseeable future. ( Not prejudice, the view of my wife - who happens to have a politics degree ).

 

The Labour party will never have a female leader. Can you see the Brothers voting for one?

 

They have a very old fashioned approach to female's despite appearing to welcome them. Look at Brown's attitude towards "that women" Gillian Duffy, and Caroline Flint's resignation because she was just eye candy. They put the all women candidates up, to appear "right on", but would not let one anywhere near the leadership.There's a few old leftie hags like Beckett about (who are given Deputy Leader's jobs), but it's a male dominated party, who would never elect a women.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Typical Eton Boy Dave not having a clue what the actual song is about and having no understanding about working class people.

 

I'd rather eat my own faeces than vote for that knob.

 

Classic chippy attitude that holds so many people back in life.

[Wilko]

Nick Clegg had a privileged private education at Caldicott and Westminster. He comes from and also married into families from a wealthy background.

 

Blair's education was similarly privileged, at a private Prep School followed by Fettes College, dubbed the Eton of the North.

 

And yet, how often do we hear criticism of Cameron, about how much of a toff he is and yet nothing about Blair and Clegg?

 

There are just too many hypocritical class warriors on the left of British Politics.

 

As to whether to choose somebody who has had a superb education and whose ownership of a sizeable property reflects their success in life, or somebody else whose education was average and whose lack of success in life was exhibited by their humble abode, well, that's a hard choice, isn't it?

 

You see how easy it is to turn on its head? Presumably, as a man of principle, you won't be voting for Clegg's party because of his expensive private education and big house. Brown is the one of the three from a humbler background. Will you be voting for him?

 

I will deal with your points in turn.

 

1. Nick Clegg may have gone to an expensive private school, but he represents a party that has shown a commitment to redistribution of income. Unlike the Tories, who want to ensure the rich stay rich.

 

2. I am no fan of Tony Blair.

 

3. It's because Cameron is a Tory - the party of the toffs - and it's an easy criticism to level.

 

4. If a person goes to a massively expensive private school they already have a massive advantage over everybody else. That's just a fact, I'm afraid. Old boys networks definitely exist. Look at the way Cameron was given a top job in Tory central office, then another one with Granada television.

 

5. At the moment, we vote for a constituency candidate, not a party leader. However, one must look at things as a whole, not just on the level of the candidate. Clegg may have a privileged background, but at least he stands for more than simply maintaining the status quo in both the structure of society and the political system.

[Wes Tender]

I will deal with your points in turn.

 

1. Nick Clegg may have gone to an expensive private school, but he represents a party that has shown a commitment to redistribution of income. Unlike the Tories, who want to ensure the rich stay rich.

 

2. I am no fan of Tony Blair.

 

3. It's because Cameron is a Tory - the party of the toffs - and it's an easy criticism to level.

 

4. If a person goes to a massively expensive private school they already have a massive advantage over everybody else. That's just a fact, I'm afraid. Old boys networks definitely exist. Look at the way Cameron was given a top job in Tory central office, then another one with Granada television.

 

5. At the moment, we vote for a constituency candidate, not a party leader. However, one must look at things as a whole, not just on the level of the candidate. Clegg may have a privileged background, but at least he stands for more than simply maintaining the status quo in both the structure of society and the political system.

 

You're a bigot!

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Classic chippy attitude that holds so many people back in life.

 

Has not held me back Tory boy!

[trousers]

As a result of Maggie, the chances of another female party leader are very slight for the forseeable future. ( Not prejudice, the view of my wife - who happens to have a politics degree ).

This is possibly going to sound facecious and insincere but it's genuinely not intended that way, I'm simply genuinely interested....what does one learn about politics by doing a politics degree and what jobs does that help you qualify for? As I say, that question is always going to sound somewhat 'scoffing' in written form across the Internet so apologies in advance if it doesn't read well.

[trousers]

 

Has not held me back Tory boy!

I suspect he was generalising....something you wouldn't catch a labour voter doing of course... ;-)

[Wes Tender]

3. It's because Cameron is a Tory - the party of the toffs - and it's an easy criticism to level.

 

 

And Labour is the party of the horny-handed sons of toil, the cloth-capped workers and the bolshey Trade Unions.

 

The Liberals/Lib Dems are the party of muddle-headed bearded sandal wearers who have the crackpot ideas not properly thought through.

 

These are easy criticisms to level.

 

Of course, anybody with any sense would look beyond the stereotypical and have a closer look at the policies of the parties and make their judgments on them rather than the bigotted and outdated class war perceptions they hold