ART Posted 5 May, 2010 Share Posted 5 May, 2010 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8136582.McMenemy_urges_huge_support_for_Pardew/ At long last McMenemy has won back my respect. This statement goes a hell of a way to really reuniting the present with the demons of the past. Thank you Lawrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 5 May, 2010 Share Posted 5 May, 2010 At long last McMenemy has won back my respect. This statement goes a hell of a way to really reuniting the present with the demons of the past. Thank you Lawrie. Has he sent Pardew an invoice for his comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 5 May, 2010 Share Posted 5 May, 2010 .but would rather we put all our eggs in obee basket... Thanks, I already know I'm a basket case but would rather it weren't spread around on here thanking you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2010 Share Posted 5 May, 2010 Can't we do both? a good team should be able to. Agreed, as long as we don't have to work around players being ineligible or cup-tied then we would be fine. Good cup runs often help to bolster a good league run, its all about a winning mentality. They also allow a few squad players to get games without seriously weakening the side which is a benefit in the long term. Definitely would not do any harm to successfully defend the JPT and win the 3rd Division. Just one trip to Wembley next season will do me fine, no play-off lotteries are required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 At long last McMenemy has won back my respect. This statement goes a hell of a way to really reuniting the present with the demons of the past. Thank you Lawrie. He speaks from experience with the Alan Ball going to Man City scenario, when the board make no effort to keep him. Maybe you could say he has been "Once Bitterne" or maybe not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Trousers? care to comment - the boy speaks da truth! I just provided the rope. Everyone else provided their own petard. Citizens of this country should take responsibility for their own actions rather than blame the nanny state.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2010 At long last McMenemy has won back my respect. This statement goes a hell of a way to really reuniting the present with the demons of the past. Thank you Lawrie. So, the Daily Mail article was a useful catalyst then? I knew that it was a force for good all along... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Ah, now you've isolated the problem - moving goalposts. I thought it was just muddy pitches. Yeah, it was first trialled by Platini as a strategy for France to qualify for the WC Finals, but in the end he fould handball easier to get past the referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 I agree 100%. Cortese seesm to come from the Lowe school of PR gaffes. He started the fire and he could quite easily put it out with a few well chosen words of support. Nothing too fancy, just that he and the manager would be sitting down to look at the plans for taking the club a stage further next season. As far as I know his only public utterance about Pardew has been negative and critical. If I have missed anything supportive then I apologise fully, but I don't think I have. Even Lawrie Mac has jumped on the bandwagon now. This could all have been nipped in the bud but is getting out of control not because of the media, but because the CEO choses to let the debate rage on. He could end it tomorrow if he wished to. EXACTLY. Now we are getting there. So why hasn't Cortese nipped it in the bud then? I've been a devil's advocate so far on this thread, trying to do no more than try to put myself where I think Cortese might actually be. As you say, even LM has felt it appropriate to support Pardew in the absence of anything from NC. Maybe it's as simple as NC never responds to stuff in the press, but some statement of intent BEFORE the season closes (when the real silly stuff starts) would be a very good thing for him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 EXACTLY. Now we are getting there. So why hasn't Cortese nipped it in the bud then? I've been a devil's advocate so far on this thread, trying to do no more than try to put myself where I think Cortese might actually be. As you say, even LM has felt it appropriate to support Pardew in the absence of anything from NC. Maybe it's as simple as NC never responds to stuff in the press, but some statement of intent BEFORE the season closes (when the real silly stuff starts) would be a very good thing for him to do. It's probably an old business tactic of keeping your manager sharp and on the ball. Maybe he hasn't denied it to make sure AP stays focused for next season and that should the club not be in the top six/two by Christmas, that the axe may fall. A bit of a risk on Cortese's part if true as Pardew may feel unsupported and leave anyway and withit, make the fanbase unhappy with a situation that could be avoided. Mind you, as this is mere speculation, for all we know, they could have an excellent working relationship but decide not to portray this publically. Time will tell....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8149091.Benali__Keep_faith_in_Pardew/ And today it is Franny's turn to come out in support of AP. The Echo article even goes as far as to say that .... Quote "Chairman Nicola Cortese is unhappy that despite handing Pardew £3m for new players Saints have failed to finish in the top six in League One." ... unquote .... without actually providing any quotes or facts to back up this statement :smt011:smt099 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 (edited) I believe the case is... At the start of the season Pardew was suppossed to be judged after 18 months. However, he promised the board that if he was given enough finanical backing to bring in his targets he would ensure Saints got to the play-offs minimum. That is what Corstese was reffering to in his indepth interview when he kept saying the target was the play-offs esp after the expensive players were bought in. Therefore as far as Cortese in concered AP has failed. Not in our view but his. But Pardew has played the media game very welll by constanly saying i will be judged after 18 months, so if he does get the chop he comes up looking rosy. Personally i think he should def be kept on. The progress made in the first season has been brillaint considering the turonover of players and a wonderful day at Wembley. It would be foolish to remove him now. It all depends on whether he can keep his realtionship with Cortese. More signings like Papa won't help, because he was certainly not Pardew's signing. Edited 6 May, 2010 by forever a red and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 the facts are this. Nope, you are presuming an awful lot. It may be right, but you don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Originally Posted by Weston Saint Pardew intends to stay. He is going nowhere unless pushed. Cortese may have had his differences with Pardew but he is not about to push him out. The business plan is still intact, just! Plans will start for next season soon after the last game on Saturday. Discussions will take place on who will be released and what target positions are to strengthen/cover. Preparations for next season will start after a short break. Automatic promotion is the only playing target next year. Why has Cortese not commented on the speculation? - Because he sees no need to comment on such speculation. It is a consistant approach from him Except these stories wouldn't be doing the rounds if he hadn't mouthed off in public in the first place. I have no problem with NC pushing AP and the team to do well but he should have done it behind closed doors. I agree 100%. Cortese seesm to come from the Lowe school of PR gaffes. He started the fire and he could quite easily put it out with a few well chosen words of support. Nothing too fancy, just that he and the manager would be sitting down to look at the plans for taking the club a stage further next season. As far as I know his only public utterance about Pardew has been negative and critical. If I have missed anything supportive then I apologise fully, but I don't think I have. Even Lawrie Mac has jumped on the bandwagon now. This could all have been nipped in the bud but is getting out of control not because of the media, but because the CEO choses to let the debate rage on. He could end it tomorrow if he wished to. Why not look at what actually happened rather than this twisted interpretation. Cortese has deliberately kept this low key and not fuelled the fire, over something blatently started by Pardew. This all came about because of Pardew's comments in the programme notes, that he had prioritised the cups. When Cortese was asked why they had prioritised the cups, he simply replied "No, the league is the top, top priority". He never made any negative comments regarding Pardew or allowed any discourse of the differing views between himself and Pardew, he simply stated what the objective was and simply left it at that. Now I am pretty sure in private he made his position patently clear and what was expected, but he never did it in public. When your manager directly confronts your plans in such a manner, most chairmen would have either kicked his arse down the road or we would have heard about it in far more detailed terms. Considering everything, I don't think you find the slightest fault with Cortese's actions, only praise. No ego, just the practical desire to achieve the best outcome in what easily could have developed into a sheitefest. Cortese never demanded we reach the play off's, only that we maximised our chances of doing so, something Pardew never took fully on board. Even after all of this, Cortese is not about to cut off his nose to spite his face and will stick with Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 This thread rolls on and on, the boys in The Mail editorial offices must be ****ing themselves with mirth at how stupid are the leemings lining up to see who can jump furthest out from the edge of the cliff; how many are logged on to The Mail website to see if there are any 'latest' stories? Crikey, even the Big Mac's been suckered into opening his gob and spewing forth mumbo-jumbo gobbledy-gook although let's face it that's not too difficult! Truth is many people in football and the media will be jealous of where we are right now and will pull any trick in the book to try and destablisise our ship and stop it becoming a force again in football. Before you say 'Yep! Charlie's off with the little people again', always remember that when somebody wins, everyone else loses - Saints success in future will be at the expense of others. If you want to stop a juggernaut, best to do it before it gathers too much momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Why not look at what actually happened rather than this twisted interpretation. Cortese has deliberately kept this low key and not fuelled the fire, over something blatently started by Pardew. This all came about because of Pardew's comments in the programme notes, that he had prioritised the cups. When Cortese was asked why they had prioritised the cups, he simply replied "No, the league is the top, top priority". He never made any negative comments regarding Pardew or allowed any discourse of the differing views between himself and Pardew, he simply stated what the objective was and simply left it at that. Now I am pretty sure in private he made his position patently clear and what was expected, but he never did it in public. When your manager directly confronts your plans in such a manner, most chairmen would have either kicked his arse down the road or we would have heard about it in far more detailed terms. Considering everything, I don't think you find the slightest fault with Cortese's actions, only praise. No ego, just the practical desire to achieve the best outcome in what easily could have developed into a sheitefest. Cortese never demanded we reach the play off's, only that we maximised our chances of doing so, something Pardew never took fully on board. Even after all of this, Cortese is not about to cut off his nose to spite his face and will stick with Pardew. I'll buy that. Nice One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Ridiculous cheap shot by low life journo who can't even spell 'handsome'. Probably a jealous Skate. Despite the -10 and inheriting the crappest squad ever Pards got us up to 7th and probably will finish with a points total that would have made the play offs in a different year. And he won a cup at Wembley. If Cortese gets rid of him he is off his rocker. Why would he be off his rocker ??? By Xmas, we had cleared the -10, and were 10 points from 6th Two months later, with all Pardews NEW additions, we were 16 points from 6th, but still in the FA and JPT Cups At that stage, Pardew decided to opt for the chance to get to Wembley, (and he succeded ) The cost of that however, was the chance to push for a Top Six spot I am sure that Cortese "released" monies for team building to allow the Team to go for the Play Offs In that context, Pardew had priorities elsewhere, and we had too much to catch up after Wembley For those that say " At the start of the season, Pardew had to cope with a weak Team and -10", I say yes he did, but I go back to my earlier point that the -10 had been cleared, by the old Team by Xmas, which left us 10 points from sixth Finally, with all the supposed talent that Pardew has brought in, I just cannot wait for next season to see games like the Swindon or Oldham ones, where all Pardew's tactical plan is to hump the ball up in the air at every opportunity. IMHO, with the Team that Pardew ended up with he under achieved I'm not sure which way Cortese will jump. Upon reflection, Pardew has shown to be tactically lacking, but a good timekeeper By that I mean that he does not know how to change tactics DURING a game, and you can set your watch as to when Barnard is subbed Coppel's gone, which IMHO, he was aware that HE would not get the SMS job So, on the basis that I do not want "proven" wastes of spaces like Dowie, Ince etc etc, I guess Cortese should stick with what he's got:D:D:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 It's provided nearly 300 posts of mirth and merriment, long may it continue It's also provided me with a tongue twister to use with my Italian students of English. They always have problems with "w"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 If you are frustrated by the team's sh*te performance (and how do you know living in Austria?) why don't you have a pop at the team instead of Pardew. As for his "negativity", you are having a laugh aren't you? Apart from the fact that you are the most negative bloke on the planet, go look at the stats, the points total (and add in 10 for the actual total), the goals scored, the fact that we have the leading scorer, Pardew's recent quotes in the Echo about next season, the cup win, the decent players signed...... You accuse me of having nothing to say but all you ever do is snipe, witter and criticise. You are almost silent when we win but drop a point or three and you are straight on peddling your usual tripe. There is not one manager who doesn't not make mistakes in a season, not one team that doesn't lose games that, on paper, they should win. Doesn't stop you heaping your usual bile on the poor bloke's head though does it..even though your are a very very very long was away and have to rely on 3rd hand reports to base your biggotted opinions on. It is quite obvious that you are just waiting for Pardew to trip up. We have had the best season in years, actually won something, are building for better things but you seem to find absolutey no joy in this. To read your posts they could have been written in any of the recent "dark" seasons. It was the same under Burley when we reached the play offs - constant carping, whinging and slagging. You even had a pop at the manager when we won 6-0 at Wolves FFS. Strangely though you supported wholeheartedly a manager who only manged to pick up 3 wins in 13 games? You also seem to have taken Cortese to your heart...it will be interesting to see how that little love affair plays out if he doesn't sack Pardew by Christmas if we are not 10 points clear at the top of the table. For goodness sakes man, lighten up and try and enjoy this stuff. Either that or let your doctor know that the pills he is prescibing you are not working. more of the same....:smt015: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 more of the same....:smt015: Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn It's ok for you to go on & on & on & on negatively all season, then claim you support Alan Pardew ... If people respond to this they are stalking!! or repetitive .. The ONLY thing that can mean is you over evaluate you opinion & take yourself far to seriously. It's ok for you to have your views & express them so let others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Why not look at what actually happened rather than this twisted interpretation. Cortese has deliberately kept this low key and not fuelled the fire, over something blatently started by Pardew. This all came about because of Pardew's comments in the programme notes, that he had prioritised the cups. When Cortese was asked why they had prioritised the cups, he simply replied "No, the league is the top, top priority". He never made any negative comments regarding Pardew or allowed any discourse of the differing views between himself and Pardew, he simply stated what the objective was and simply left it at that. Now I am pretty sure in private he made his position patently clear and what was expected, but he never did it in public. When your manager directly confronts your plans in such a manner, most chairmen would have either kicked his arse down the road or we would have heard about it in far more detailed terms. Considering everything, I don't think you find the slightest fault with Cortese's actions, only praise. No ego, just the practical desire to achieve the best outcome in what easily could have developed into a sheitefest. Cortese never demanded we reach the play off's, only that we maximised our chances of doing so, something Pardew never took fully on board. Even after all of this, Cortese is not about to cut off his nose to spite his face and will stick with Pardew. Far too sensible a post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn It's ok for you to go on & on & on & on negatively all season, then claim you support Alan Pardew ... A classic mistake. The inability to see that these issues can be mutually exclusive. Besides, I have not gone on & on negatively all season, I have given praise where due, such as the brave Haily Mary tactical changes which won the Yeovil game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 A classic mistake. The inability to see that these issues can be mutually exclusive. Besides, I have not gone on & on negatively all season, I have given praise where due, such as the brave Haily Mary tactical changes which won the Yeovil game. Lol! post of the year from Cpt Whinge!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Why not look at what actually happened rather than this twisted interpretation. Cortese has deliberately kept this low key and not fuelled the fire, over something blatently started by Pardew. This all came about because of Pardew's comments in the programme notes, that he had prioritised the cups. When Cortese was asked why they had prioritised the cups, he simply replied "No, the league is the top, top priority". He never made any negative comments regarding Pardew or allowed any discourse of the differing views between himself and Pardew, he simply stated what the objective was and simply left it at that. Now I am pretty sure in private he made his position patently clear and what was expected, but he never did it in public. When your manager directly confronts your plans in such a manner, most chairmen would have either kicked his arse down the road or we would have heard about it in far more detailed terms. Considering everything, I don't think you find the slightest fault with Cortese's actions, only praise. No ego, just the practical desire to achieve the best outcome in what easily could have developed into a sheitefest. Cortese never demanded we reach the play off's, only that we maximised our chances of doing so, something Pardew never took fully on board. Even after all of this, Cortese is not about to cut off his nose to spite his face and will stick with Pardew. All I see here is your interpretation of what happened. Wheather you felt NC was crictical of AP or not thats how it came across to me (judging by posts others on here too) and more importantly the press. Just google AP and NC and you'll come across a dozen stories about NC being critical/unhappy with AP. It doesn't matter what NC intended he came across to many (not you granted) as critical becuase of comments he made in the press. As for the playoffs BBC interview listen from around 13.00mins he clearly states he want's playoffs, Also he was upset about the cups over league postion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8565161.stm As the chairman he has every right to give AP a kick up the back side if he feels it's deserved. Just not in public where it opens the club up to this sort of crap which won't go away until AP leaves/is pushed or NC comes out in support of the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Don’t assume because I don’t agree with constant criticism that I don’t see a few flaws, however I'm yet to see a manager who doesn’t get it wrong, i'm yet to see a team that doesn’t have a "poor period" or bad run. YOU seem to think if people don’t agree with your constant snipping at AP that we are in this blind camp where we think everything in the garden is rosey .. Like I keep asking why try & patronise those of us that don't agree if your argument is so strong? accepted or not you "come over as" a sad & rather annoying at times poster, that even in the good moments wants to snap, snip moan & winged .. someone said once you needed to get out more .. that or just accept that just coz people don’t agree with you ( a lot of people) they might still have valid points. In context we have had one of our best seasons in over 30 years, not many top it. & you have constantly moaned about everything. I rem in one game a absolutely stunning free kick was scored ( you didn’t have comms you just knew the opposition had scored & without a bat of the eyelid you ranted off about school boy error .. yes was a school boy error.. yours for not knowing the facts!! You actually come over happier when you have something to complain about. YOUR get out clause when people state this is either to put them down or whinge that it's boring. how ironic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Don’t assume because I don’t agree with constant criticism that I don’t see a few flaws, however I'm yet to see a manager who doesn’t get it wrong, i'm yet to see a team that doesn’t have a "poor period" or bad run. YOU seem to think if people don’t agree with your constant snipping at AP that we are in this blind camp where we think everything in the garden is rosey .. Like I keep asking why try & patronise those of us that don't agree if your argument is so strong? accepted or not you "come over as" a sad & rather annoying at times poster, that even in the good moments wants to snap, snip moan & winged .. someone said once you needed to get out more .. that or just accept that just coz people don’t agree with you ( a lot of people) they might still have valid points. In context we have had one of our best seasons in over 30 years, not many top it. & you have constantly moaned about everything. I rem in one game a absolutely stunning free kick was scored ( you didn’t have comms you just knew the opposition had scored & without a bat of the eyelid you ranted off about school boy error .. yes was a school boy error.. yours for not knowing the facts!! You actually come over happier when you have something to complain about. YOUR get out clause when people state this is either to put them down or whinge that it's boring. how ironic!! And what are you doing if you arent putting me down. Talk about hypocrisy. The only person I accuse of being boring is SOGGY. Because his posts are all the same. He goes on about LM taking years to get anywhere, Burley's points average, Pearsons "3 in 13"...etc...etc...etc...ad nauseam. And whether you like it or not, he is stalking me. He's on a permanent wind-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 All I see here is your interpretation of what happened. Wheather you felt NC was crictical of AP or not thats how it came across to me (judging by posts others on here too) and more importantly the press. Just google AP and NC and you'll come across a dozen stories about NC being critical/unhappy with AP. It doesn't matter what NC intended he came across to many (not you granted) as critical becuase of comments he made in the press. As for the playoffs BBC interview listen from around 13.00mins he clearly states he want's playoffs, Also he was upset about the cups over league postion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8565161.stm As the chairman he has every right to give AP a kick up the back side if he feels it's deserved. Just not in public where it opens the club up to this sort of crap which won't go away until AP leaves/is pushed or NC comes out in support of the manager. I am not saying Cortese was not critical of Pardew, you just cannot have two such differing view points without something being amiss. What I would say is that as a rebuke, Cortese's reaction was as minimal as you can get without commenting. Remember, all he said was that the league was the top, top priority. If you also listen further in that interview he fully accepted there is no guarantees that it would be possible to make the play off's. The point he stressed is that when the manager comes and asked for big signings in the January window, their purpose is not for cup games but the league. He never states the play off's have to be a must do, but the top priority. As for what Cortese says in public is down to style and he prefers to keep these things to about 2-3 per year. If Cortese was not keeping Pardew on, there is no way he would bother sitting down with Pardew to plan the way ahead. I don't see any ego or spite here, just someone who wants to get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 If Pardew is sacked it will be a disaster. He's built a solid team. With a few additions and a decent pre-season with the nucleus still intact, we are really going places next season. Sacking Pardew would be focking ridiculous IMO and I would have to seriously question the sanity of Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 If Pardew is sacked it will be a disaster. He's built a solid team. With a few additions and a decent pre-season with the nucleus still intact, we are really going places next season. Sacking Pardew would be focking ridiculous IMO and I would have to seriously question the sanity of Cortese. A little dramatic I would have thought - Although I dont see the point of getting rid of Pardew a replacement would probably be able to get us promoted with the squad of players we have. It would probably be a diaster if we lost Lambert but not if we lost Pardew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie@home Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Ricky is obviously AP's blue-eyed boy, who plays every game and is constantly praised by Pardew. He also says that he can play up to Premiership level. Pardew would have no problem getting a job with this season's record of either 80 or 83 points without the deduction. Who do you think he might bid for, if he turned up at any higher league club? The whole coaching set up is based around people he knows and recommended - starting again would be crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 6 May, 2010 Share Posted 6 May, 2010 Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn It's ok for you to go on & on & on & on negatively all season, then claim you support Alan Pardew ... If people respond to this they are stalking!! or repetitive .. The ONLY thing that can mean is you over evaluate you opinion & take yourself far to seriously. It's ok for you to have your views & express them so let others! Indeed! I see that not only has McMenemy come out and publically supported Pardew but so has Frannie Benali. I think a lot of fair minded people see what Pardew has done for this club and want him to stay and carry on. At the end of the day posters like Alpine can whine all they like but they are in the minority. I just wish Cortese would do the decent thing and come out publically and support Pardew. We have a decent manager and we need stability. I know that there are some on here who would change the manager every few games if the could but fortunately they will never be in a postion to run a football club so they can mouth off to their hearts content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 7 May, 2010 Share Posted 7 May, 2010 Thanks, I already know I'm a basket case but would rather it weren't spread around on here thanking you very much Two obee basket cases? I thought the other one had that particular market cornered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 7 May, 2010 Share Posted 7 May, 2010 Two obee basket cases? I thought the other one had that particular market cornered? Lol, unfortunately it appears to be heriditary and I'm likely to get worse which is a really frightening thought Come on UKIP'S!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 May, 2010 Share Posted 7 May, 2010 Indeed! I see that not only has McMenemy come out and publically supported Pardew but so has Frannie Benali. I think a lot of fair minded people see what Pardew has done for this club and want him to stay and carry on. At the end of the day posters like Alpine can whine all they like but they are in the minority. I just wish Cortese would do the decent thing and come out publically and support Pardew. We have a decent manager and we need stability. I know that there are some on here who would change the manager every few games if the could but fortunately they will never be in a postion to run a football club so they can mouth off to their hearts content. You dont seem to get it all. Its doesnt matter what McMenemy, Benali, or a lot of "fair minded people" think. Its what NC with his responsibility to MLs asset thinks that counts. And he has doubts. and you can "mouth off" all you like, its nothing to do with you. As for your call for stability...Peter Mandelson is calling for stability this morning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 7 May, 2010 Share Posted 7 May, 2010 Ridiculous cheap shot by low life journo who can't even spell 'handsome'. Probably a jealous Skate. Despite the -10 and inheriting the crappest squad ever Pards got us up to 7th and probably will finish with a points total that would have made the play offs in a different year. And he won a cup at Wembley. If Cortese gets rid of him he is off his rocker. I think we've all seen what happens when you keep changing managers and in my opinion Pards is doing a stirling job. Can't think that Cortese could find a better manager for us at this level. Hope he doesn't turn out to be another RL and start interfering with the football and putting pressure on regarding matters he knows little about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 7 May, 2010 Share Posted 7 May, 2010 A little dramatic I would have thought - Although I dont see the point of getting rid of Pardew a replacement would probably be able to get us promoted with the squad of players we have. It would probably be a diaster if we lost Lambert but not if we lost Pardew You are assuming that if we lost Pardew we wouldn't lose the nucleus of our squad?? This is unlikely to be the case, these players play for Pardew, a new face would cause upset. If Pardew was sacked, his coaching staff would probably walk to. This would be a right co(k up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 The excitement of finishing 7th should not hide the fact that the second half of the season contained too many disapointing performances amongst the good ones and raised questions about why some players were not used sufficiently. Based on where the team was in the table just before Christmas, and with the signings in January, Saints should have done better, but instead there were some very poor results against weak opposition. That does seem justification for the Chairman to ask the manager to account for why that happened and what he would do to ensure it does not happen next season. As for what if,... what if Pardew walked or was pushed? There are plenty of replacement managers available, not so many potential new owners. However much people like Pardew and respect him, he is replaceable, and if he went the club would still have Leibherr's resources behind it to attract a top class candidate. Norwich didn't do too badly despite changing their manager in August. First game in L1 they lost 7-1 but with the new manager (Paul Lambert) they only spent one season in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 We're on the right track. Pardew has made a few mistakes this season, but he hasn't managed at this level before, so he is learning as well. He has done more than enough good things for the club to outweigh his errors. Getting rid of him would be madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 You are assuming that if we lost Pardew we wouldn't lose the nucleus of our squad?? This is unlikely to be the case, these players play for Pardew, a new face would cause upset. If Pardew was sacked, his coaching staff would probably walk to. This would be a right co(k up. I am not saying it is a good idea that Pardew goes but it wont be a disaster either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 I am not saying it is a good idea that Pardew goes but it wont be a disaster either Agree - If he stays, fine, but if he goes, the club would deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Luckily it's in the Mail so we can likely discount. But I agree, Cortese needs to come out, clear the air and back Pardew, otherwise this isn't going to go away. If he thinks we are going to find a better manager at this level, then he is as mad as Lowe. Come on Nicola, do the right thing. Lose Pardew and we risk losing a number of his signings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 (edited) I cannot believe some of the dross I read on here, If Pardew left now it would be a disaster for the club, We would be right back at square one. Ok the building might not have be done fast enough this season to please every one but just look back a year to the ruin that was SFC in May 2009. For my money the rebuilding in the last twelve months has been unbelievable and for any of the bricks to be removed now would be a serious backward step. No club wins every game and to finish seventh in the league from a -10 start and win a trophy is a fantastic effort by all concerned. Whilst I agree that Pardew is only one part of a larger team the last thing that SFC need at this time is to lose any of its main frame be it ,Leibher, Cortese , Pardew, Rickie Lambert or whoever, Now is time to continue the building process not tearing apart the great foundation thats been built in the last year. Edited 8 May, 2010 by saintstr1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 (edited) I am not saying it is a good idea that Pardew goes but it wont be a disaster either You are right it would be worse... I suppose you will say those dutch idiots could do it on your next post... Edited 8 May, 2010 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Originally Posted by John B I am not saying it is a good idea that Pardew goes but it wont be a disaster either You are right it would be worse... I suppose you will say those dutch idiots could do it on your next post... It makes sense to keep Pardew and there seems no indications from Cortese anything else is going to happen. But get some perspective, we have all clearly seen what Pardew can do without money and likewise Saints, both not very pretty. The one thing that really matters is Liebherr, Pardew just makes it up to the ankles on that aspect. As far as the Dutch idiots, it's nice to see you've kept informed on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 A new manager (if the unlikely happens) could quite well get us promoted first shout. We would have made the playoffs first go If it was not for 10 point penalty. Even with a crap pre season Paul lambert has not done bad despite having no pre season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 It makes sense to keep Pardew and there seems no indications from Cortese anything else is going to happen. But get some perspective, we have all clearly seen what Pardew can do without money and likewise Saints, both not very pretty. The one thing that really matters is Liebherr, Pardew just makes it up to the ankles on that aspect. As far as the Dutch idiots, it's nice to see you've kept informed on the subject. Please explain? "We have seen what Pardew could do without money" TBF it was more what could be done with a group of players,who together were not good enough coupled with the huge losing mentality at the club and of course the -10 point monkey on our backs. IMO any manager would have struggled to start well with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Lambert has done very very well. Pardew was faced with a much more difficult challenge and has also done very very well. There are hundreds of managers who haven't done as well which is the risk with changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Please explain? "We have seen what Pardew could do without money" TBF it was more what could be done with a group of players,who together were not good enough coupled with the huge losing mentality at the club and of course the -10 point monkey on our backs. IMO any manager would have struggled to start well with that. Think he means his time at charlton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Think he means his time at charlton I am asking about the response to my comment on the dutch boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 8 May, 2010 Share Posted 8 May, 2010 Change is both risk and opportunity. It is always a problem is that you don't know whether a change is for the better or the worse until after the event, but that doesn't make change a 'disaster'. Not changing is also a risk, so whilst keeping Pardew and his team is probably most fans' preferred option, it doesn't make success a guarantee and fans' views about the manager could change depending on how things go in the autumn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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