Daily Mail: "Pardew faces Saints axe"

[Professor]

This sounds like cheap Daily Mail rubbish, just recycling an old story that wasn't true then either. Cortese has put Pardew under pressure and so he should.

 

As for whether AP stays or goes, I can't see that it matters. There are plenty of decent managers out there, and change does no harm if its for the better.

[St Marco]

So he say's only yesterday he is in the market for a new striker.

 

Which doesn't sound like someone thinking they are about to be sacked. Which means someone above Pardew has leaked something Cortese might have said to them. Which is very unlikely. Cortese is obviously a business professional, i doubt he would gossip like that.

 

As for those thinking he should be sacked. And the "plenty of decent" managers thing. I hope we don't get what you wish for. Because so many times this club has changed from someone doing well and building for the future to someone who has well and truely fecked things up. The reason we have been where we are for so long is this attitude. Pearson was supposedly crap, look at what he has now done. Stop making the same stupid mistakes. We have won nearly 50% of our games this year. That is the best record by a Saints manager. Get real.

[Red and White Army]

 

I am frustrated by his negativity and the teams sh*te performance sometimes, however.

 

{b]His[/b] negativity ???

 

Hahahahaha!!! Your lack of self-awareness helps explain why your opinions are worthless and trite.

[1976_Child]

Complete bull****. If this happens I will streak around Fratton Park on a match day, in front of both fans.

 

assuming we are ever to play them again.....

[stmusicdude]

More stalking, more abuse, nothing new to say...:smt015

yes but enough about you what about the post lol

[Badger]

Pardew is very sure he will be judged after 18 months, so I think he is safe. Also, Cortese isn't stupid.

 

He said in his interview with solent "I don't believe in short term managers"

 

So surely this means he won't sack a manager after just one season, and a manager who has done very very well.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Utter garbage. How can we have promotion form since October 1st but have choked? We lost and drew games that other teams also lost and drew...

 

God this site beggars belief. Should I have seen some sort of health form before signing up asking me whether I'd had a labotomy that I missed?

 

Did we, or did we not fail to capitalise on an opportunity at Xmas?

The answer is Yes.

Did we or did we not fail to win some highly winnable games in the last dozen games?

The answer is Yes.

So it isn't garbage.

And my point is that NC may well look at the reasons why, rather than take a rose-tinted look back at the whole season. Because goal posts do move, and actual events change perspectives.

Maybe he will think that it wasn't AP's fault, but that it was a lack of the right qualities in certain areas which we will try to rectify in the summer, but I'm not so sure that he won't think the second stemmed from the former.

[doddisalegend]

Alright this is a bit tounge in cheek but according to the League managers assocation Pardew is the seventh best performing manager in all leagues so if we're going to replace him we need to do it with one of the managers in 6th to first spot to get a better manager

 

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/awards/tissot-league.html

 

Of those only two are reasonably likely to come to our club. They are Kenny Jacket and Steve Cotterill which would people like? Another alternative is that Bristol city lie 15th in the table with according to the table no manager (I know they have Coppell now). Maybe a whole new way of doing things for us, just let the players sort themselves out and see where it goes;-)

[jam]

Alright this is a bit tounge in cheek but according to the League managers assocation Pardew is the seventh best performing manager in all leagues so if we're going to replace him we need to do it with one of the managers in 6th to first spot to get a better manager

 

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/awards/tissot-league.html

 

Of those only two are reasonably likely to come to our club. They are Kenny Jacket and Steve Cotterill which would people like? Another alternative is that Bristol city lie 15th in the table with according to the table no manager (I know they have Coppell now). Maybe a whole new way of doing things for us, just let the players sort themselves out and see where it goes;-)

 

That table doesn't appear to take the circumstances at the club into account (existing squad, money to spend, that sort of thing). It's also a short time period so to me misleading.

 

For example, would anyone suggest that (all things considered) Benitez has performed better than Moyes this season?

[doddisalegend]

That table doesn't appear to take the circumstances at the club into account (existing squad, money to spend, that sort of thing). It's also a short time period so to me misleading.

 

For example, would anyone suggest that (all things considered) Benitez has performed better than Moyes this season?

 

Well I did say it was tounge in cheek and yes it's only over the last quarter of the season. Intrestingly if you look back over the other quarters of the season AP has been in the top ten of managers in the last three quarters based purely on matches played and results.

Edited 5 May, 2010 by doddisalegend

[Capel Saint]

Did we, or did we not fail to capitalise on an opportunity at Xmas?

The answer is Yes.

Did we or did we not fail to win some highly winnable games in the last dozen games?

The answer is Yes.

So it isn't garbage.

And my point is that NC may well look at the reasons why, rather than take a rose-tinted look back at the whole season. Because goal posts do move, and actual events change perspectives.

Maybe he will think that it wasn't AP's fault, but that it was a lack of the right qualities in certain areas which we will try to rectify in the summer, but I'm not so sure that he won't think the second stemmed from the former.

 

Trouble is, even with a good side you are not going to win all your games. That is football. Shopw me one League One this season that did not lose to teams they, on paper, should have won. I can't think of any.

 

It is ok for a Chariman wanting the club to be successful but there are countless examples of Clubs changing Manager when the current encumbent doesn't get instant results. Just see the merry go round at QPR and their current League Position as an example of continaully changing a manager.

 

Pardew isn't the perfect manager and will no doubt make some mistakes however, next season he has the advantage of a stabalised squad, a stabalised coaching team, not having to get rid of a -10 point deficit, a team with a much better winning mentality and most likely some transfer funds to tweak and improve the squad for next season. So I hope that Pardew is left to get on with it and give Saints the best chance of achieving automatic promotion next season.

[Legod Third Coming]

Did we, or did we not fail to capitalise on an opportunity at Xmas?

The answer is Yes.

 

Not really, the answer is we then played eight of nine games away from home. Should we have won some of those games? Of course, but our record against Wycombe, Tranmere and Brentford for example is exactly the same or better than Leeds, Charlton, Millwall and Swindon...

 

Did we or did we not fail to win some highly winnable games in the last dozen games?

 

answer is Yes.

 

Is it? Did we not also win some games we should not? Like Norwich away, thrashing Huddersfield (came into the game on 10 game unbeaten run)? Beating Yeovil who the previous week had held Millwall to a draw? Thrashing MK Dons away - Norwich lost 2-0 there...

 

And my point is that NC may well look at the reasons why, rather than take a rose-tinted look back at the whole season. Because goal posts do move, and actual events change perspectives.

 

Maybe he will think that it wasn't AP's fault, but that it was a lack of the right qualities in certain areas which we will try to rectify in the summer, but I'm not so sure that he won't think the second stemmed from the former.

 

Over the last ten games of the season before our fate was sealed our results were:

 

WWWDWWWWDW

 

Now, find me a better record in any league? That really shows us throwing key games doesn't it? Feeling the pressure? Not having a winning mentality - like scoring 90th minute winners, 88th minute equalisers...

 

We were bloody unlucky that the team behind us in the current form league during April (where we played 7, won 5, drew 2 scored 14 and conceded 6 goals) were Huddersfield...

 

Ferking hell, finally we have a team to be proud of, a manager who knows what he's a doing and the lunatics want a change...

 

I give up, I fecking well give up.

[S-Clarke]

Over the last ten games of the season before our fate was sealed our results were:

 

WWWDWWWWDW

 

Now, find me a better record in any league? That really shows us throwing key games doesn't it? Feeling the pressure? Not having a winning mentality - like scoring 90th minute winners, 88th minute equalisers...

 

We were bloody unlucky that the team behind us in the current form league during April (where we played 7, won 5, drew 2 scored 14 and conceded 6 goals) were Huddersfield...

 

Ferking hell, finally we have a team to be proud of, a manager who knows what he's a doing and the lunatics want a change...

 

I give up, I fecking well give up.

 

crazy isn't it?

 

in a normal season, if we win on sat - we will have gained 83 points which in any league is a fantastic amount, and we are bloody unlucky that it hasn't gained us a playoff place.

 

what have we done wrong this season that deserves so much questioning? We have been a class apart really, and only the idiots cannot see this.

[skinner05]

HUDDERSFIELD HUDDERSFIELD

 

Got to laugh at that comment below the article saying you would have easily made the play offs without the 10 point deduction

 

That easy that it would have come down to the last game and then probably come down to goal difference

 

That said, it would be mental if you sacked him

[Give it to Ron]

HUDDERSFIELD HUDDERSFIELD

 

Got to laugh at that comment below the article saying you would have easily made the play offs without the 10 point deduction

 

That easy that it would have come down to the last game and then probably come down to goal difference

 

That said, it would be mental if you sacked him

 

Look at our goal difference you plonker!!! Do you think we would of put our 2nd string defence and forward line last Saturday if we were still in with a shout?

Christ you are really defensive of your team...I hope you go up at least then we won't have to put up with your dopey posts!

[jam]

Well I did say it was tounge in cheek and yes it's only over the last quarter of the season.

 

Sorry - missed the big winky on your post! (and couldn't see a blushing one for myself...)

[Saint Without a Halo]

Some mentioned above that it was the failed takeover bid which was really to blame. If Pards had a month more to get the team prepared and new talent in then we would have been in the playoffs.

 

So, a little bit of the blame, it hurts me to say, must rest with MLT for getting hooked up with the failed bid and giving it credibility.

 

Not that I actually 'blame' anyone. Personally, I have thoroughly enjoyed this season and am looking forward to next season with much eagerness. We are the club to beat next season and I hope we get off to a flying start and stay right up at the top all season.

 

To blame MLT is taking "cause and effect" to the extreme a bit like the Chaos theory behind a butterfly flattering its wings causing undue catastrophies on the other side of the world.

MLT was trying to save the club he served so well and still loves, as we all were in our own way. Surely better to ask why we were where we were in the first place?

[RonManager]

To blame MLT is taking "cause and effect" to the extreme a bit like the Chaos theory behind a butterfly flattering its wings causing undue catastrophies on the other side of the world.

MLT was trying to save the club he served so well and still loves, as we all were in our own way. Surely better to ask why we were where we were in the first place?

 

I love the English language!!

[Saint Without a Halo]

I love the English language!!

 

The W's have it!

[chrisobee]

I love the English language!!

 

Lol, a superb effort

[benjii]

Over the last ten games of the season before our fate was sealed our results were:

 

WWWDWWWWDW

 

Now, find me a better record in any league? That really shows us throwing key games doesn't it? Feeling the pressure? Not having a winning mentality - like scoring 90th minute winners, 88th minute equalisers...

 

We were bloody unlucky that the team behind us in the current form league during April (where we played 7, won 5, drew 2 scored 14 and conceded 6 goals) were Huddersfield...

 

Ferking hell, finally we have a team to be proud of, a manager who knows what he's a doing and the lunatics want a change...

 

I give up, I fecking well give up.

 

Abso-flipping-lutely.

[Frank's cousin]

Well only Norwich have lost less games all season, by one... sure we have had a few few too many draws, but most of those were early season when we were on catch up...

 

Dod we 'fail to capitalise on the situtaion at Christmas'? ... NO. IMHO...because we have done amazingingly well since we got past the -10 points barrier - From taht moment on we have average 2.08pts a game which IS league winning form... unfortunately we tend to look at the few defeats and draws in that time as failing to capitalise , when the reality is the earlys season poor form as the side was effectively re built + the minus 10 meant despite averaging over 2.08 since October it was simply not enough.

 

Failing to win say 2 more in the first 15 is what we should be saying was dissapointing, NOT the odd hick up since October... we will have those next season as well but if we average 2.08 and end up with 95 points we will be automatically promoted....

[eelpie]

Surely better to ask why we were where we were in the first place?

 

Before swallowing your beer say 'Why were we where we were?' three times.

 

Anyone know any others?

[iansums]

We also have to take into account what a peculiar season it has been. Currently just 3 points separating 2nd and 6th position. And then 18 points separating 6th to 9th. This has made it more difficult than before to reach the play-offs.

[chrisobee]

Before swallowing your beer say 'Why were we where we were?' three times.

 

Anyone know any others?

 

Done, easy

[S-Clarke]

We also have to take into account what a peculiar season it has been. Currently just 3 points separating 2nd and 6th position. And then 18 points separating 6th to 9th. This has made it more difficult than before to reach the play-offs.

 

yep.

 

in any normal season (and in all the leauges other than L1) we would be going into the last game v Southend with a chance of finishing 6th.

 

but we could be 10pts off.

 

crazy season.

[RedFear]

Over the last ten games of the season before our fate was sealed our results were:

 

WWWDWWWWDW

 

Now, find me a better record in any league? That really shows us throwing key games doesn't it? Feeling the pressure? Not having a winning mentality - like scoring 90th minute winners, 88th minute equalisers...

 

We were bloody unlucky that the team behind us in the current form league during April (where we played 7, won 5, drew 2 scored 14 and conceded 6 goals) were Huddersfield...

 

Ferking hell, finally we have a team to be proud of, a manager who knows what he's a doing and the lunatics want a change...

 

I give up, I fecking well give up.

 

yep, spot on

 

no sensible thinking person can suggest pardew started the season with the team he wanted. he only started to get close in january, it could even be argued he still isnt there yet.

 

our first ten games were our pre-season and to think we still almost made the play offs (most seasons we would have!). he has been excellent for us

[Village Saint]

Yes, it is only the Daily Snail but I'm with MM in thinking a statement from Cortese would not go amiss. Unlike some I would be upset if Pardew left and think it would be a huge mistake. More upheaval and uncertainty when IMO it's clearly not needed is not the way to make progress, have we still not learnt the lessons of the past ? If it ain't broke don't fix it, an oft used phrase I know but in this case a simple and plain truth.

 

More worryingly still it does after all prove definitively that Cortese has absolutely no idea about football - not unlike some previous Chairmen. If this deos happen look forward to a season with a new manager wanting a totally new squad who will inevitably take some time to bed in and indeed maybe wont! It will be touch and go in thsoe circumstances as to whether we could then make the playoffs even without a 10 point penalty. Swapping a pretty certain play-off spot and probable automatic promotion for a gamble - total madness.

[Badger]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8136582.McMenemy_urges_huge_support_for_Pardew/

[IamLeGod]

Wreckless journalism, No basis on any form of fact.

 

Mere speculation. Not even an attempt to twist a comment from the Saints hierarchy.

[Window Cleaner]

Wreckless journalism, No basis on any form of fact.

 

Mere speculation. Not even an attempt to twist a comment from the Saints hierarchy.

 

And yet Lawrie feels that he needs to add his farthing's worth all the same.

 

Once again he's said something when the best thing to do was say nothing.

 

Still may be he got a free lunch out of it or something like that.

[The Kraken]

And yet Lawrie feels that he needs to add his farthing's worth all the same.

 

Once again he's said something when the best thing to do was say nothing.

 

Still may be he got a free lunch out of it or something like that.

 

Or maybe he got called up by a journalist and offered his opinion. Shock horror.

 

LM has no official attachment to the club so, quite frankly, is under no obligation whatsoever to do the "best thing" and "say nothing". And it's not as if his opinion is massively out of left field; most (sane) people would actually agree with what he's saying.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I cannot believe this ridiculous thread made from a

****ty rag of a newspaper is still running.

 

It is utter made up/rehashed tripe...

 

Let it go...

[BARCELONASAINT]

Complete rubbish printed by two garbage newspapers.

Why people think NC has to make a statement is beyond me. I am sure the only person he needs to speak to is AP if he has not already made it very clear that he is happy with where AP has taken us and he will honour the contract HE GAVE AP.

 

Enough said on the subject!!!

[Thedelldays]

More worryingly still it does after all prove definitively that Cortese has absolutely no idea about football - not unlike some previous Chairmen. If this deos happen look forward to a season with a new manager wanting a totally new squad who will inevitably take some time to bed in and indeed maybe wont! It will be touch and go in thsoe circumstances as to whether we could then make the playoffs even without a 10 point penalty. Swapping a pretty certain play-off spot and probable automatic promotion for a gamble - total madness.

why would a new manager need a totally new squad..?

 

what is wrong with...

 

kelvin

harding

fonte

morgan

hammond

lallana

barnard

conolly

lambert

 

pretty much pards' best players also..

[70's Mike]

why would a new manager need a totally new squad..?

 

what is wrong with...

 

kelvin

harding

fonte

morgan

hammond

lallana

barnard

conolly

lambert

 

pretty much pards' best players also..

 

do not know why?

 

BUT they always appear to

[Thedelldays]

do not know why?

 

BUT they always appear to

well, they really would not have to at saints would they....

 

SHOULD pardew be replaced..

 

I wonder how many new players lambert got in at norwich..?

[Victor]

Why were we where we were when we were where we were?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I cannot believe this ridiculous thread made from a

****ty rag of a newspaper is still running.

 

It is utter made up/rehashed tripe...

 

Let it go...

 

Trousers? care to comment - the boy speaks da truth!

[chrisobee]

Why were we where we were when we were where we were?

 

Because we were, simples

[chrisobee]

Trousers? care to comment - the boy speaks da truth!

 

It's provided nearly 300 posts of mirth and merriment, long may it continue

[itchen]

Did we, or did we not fail to capitalise on an opportunity at Xmas?

The answer is Yes.

Did we or did we not fail to win some highly winnable games in the last dozen games?

The answer is Yes.

So it isn't garbage.

And my point is that NC may well look at the reasons why, rather than take a rose-tinted look back at the whole season. Because goal posts do move, and actual events change perspectives.

Maybe he will think that it wasn't AP's fault, but that it was a lack of the right qualities in certain areas which we will try to rectify in the summer, but I'm not so sure that he won't think the second stemmed from the former.

 

Ah, now you've isolated the problem - moving goalposts. I thought it was just muddy pitches.

[Weston Saint]

Pardew intends to stay. He is going nowhere unless pushed.

 

Cortese may have had his differences with Pardew but he is not about to push him out.

 

The business plan is still intact, just!

 

Plans will start for next season soon after the last game on Saturday. Discussions will take place on who will be released and what target positions are to strengthen/cover.

 

Preparations for next season will start after a short break. Automatic promotion is the only playing target next year.

 

Why has Cortese not commented on the speculation? - Because he sees no need to comment on such speculation. It is a consistant approach from him.

[NickG]

agree, apart from Pardew is selling next season to players with the target being champions.

[doddisalegend]

Pardew intends to stay. He is going nowhere unless pushed.

 

Cortese may have had his differences with Pardew but he is not about to push him out.

 

The business plan is still intact, just!

 

Plans will start for next season soon after the last game on Saturday. Discussions will take place on who will be released and what target positions are to strengthen/cover.

 

Preparations for next season will start after a short break. Automatic promotion is the only playing target next year.

 

Why has Cortese not commented on the speculation? - Because he sees no need to comment on such speculation. It is a consistant approach from him.[/QUOTE]

 

Except these stories wouldn't be doing the rounds if he hadn't mouthed off in public in the first place. I have no problem with NC pushing AP and the team to do well but he should have done it behind closed doors.

[sadoldgit]

What are you on about ?

 

I do support AP, as I have made clear on frequent occasions.

 

I am frustrated by his negativity and the teams sh*te performance sometimes, however.

 

If you are frustrated by the team's sh*te performance (and how do you know living in Austria?) why don't you have a pop at the team instead of Pardew.

 

As for his "negativity", you are having a laugh aren't you?

 

Apart from the fact that you are the most negative bloke on the planet, go look at the stats, the points total (and add in 10 for the actual total), the goals scored, the fact that we have the leading scorer, Pardew's recent quotes in the Echo about next season, the cup win, the decent players signed......

 

You accuse me of having nothing to say but all you ever do is snipe, witter and criticise. You are almost silent when we win but drop a point or three and you are straight on peddling your usual tripe.

 

There is not one manager who doesn't not make mistakes in a season, not one team that doesn't lose games that, on paper, they should win. Doesn't stop you heaping your usual bile on the poor bloke's head though does it..even though your are a very very very long was away and have to rely on 3rd hand reports to base your biggotted opinions on.

 

It is quite obvious that you are just waiting for Pardew to trip up. We have had the best season in years, actually won something, are building for better things but you seem to find absolutey no joy in this. To read your posts they could have been written in any of the recent "dark" seasons. It was the same under Burley when we reached the play offs - constant carping, whinging and slagging. You even had a pop at the manager when we won 6-0 at Wolves FFS.

Strangely though you supported wholeheartedly a manager who only manged to pick up 3 wins in 13 games? You also seem to have taken Cortese to your heart...it will be interesting to see how that little love affair plays out if he doesn't sack Pardew by Christmas if we are not 10 points clear at the top of the table.

 

For goodness sakes man, lighten up and try and enjoy this stuff. Either that or let your doctor know that the pills he is prescibing you are not working.

[sadoldgit]

Pardew intends to stay. He is going nowhere unless pushed.

 

Cortese may have had his differences with Pardew but he is not about to push him out.

 

The business plan is still intact, just!

 

Plans will start for next season soon after the last game on Saturday. Discussions will take place on who will be released and what target positions are to strengthen/cover.

 

Preparations for next season will start after a short break. Automatic promotion is the only playing target next year.

 

Why has Cortese not commented on the speculation? - Because he sees no need to comment on such speculation. It is a consistant approach from him.[/QUOTE]

 

Except these stories wouldn't be doing the rounds if he hadn't mouthed off in public in the first place. I have no problem with NC pushing AP and the team to do well but he should have done it behind closed doors.

 

I agree 100%. Cortese seesm to come from the Lowe school of PR gaffes. He started the fire and he could quite easily put it out with a few well chosen words of support. Nothing too fancy, just that he and the manager would be sitting down to look at the plans for taking the club a stage further next season. As far as I know his only public utterance about Pardew has been negative and critical. If I have missed anything supportive then I apologise fully, but I don't think I have. Even Lawrie Mac has jumped on the bandwagon now. This could all have been nipped in the bud but is getting out of control not because of the media, but because the CEO choses to let the debate rage on. He could end it tomorrow if he wished to.

[Thedelldays]

Pardew intends to stay. He is going nowhere unless pushed.

 

Cortese may have had his differences with Pardew but he is not about to push him out.

 

The business plan is still intact, just!

 

Plans will start for next season soon after the last game on Saturday. Discussions will take place on who will be released and what target positions are to strengthen/cover.

 

Preparations for next season will start after a short break. Automatic promotion is the only playing target next year.

 

Why has Cortese not commented on the speculation? - Because he sees no need to comment on such speculation. It is a consistant approach from him.

 

good...lets give the cups a wide berth

[doddisalegend]

good...lets give the cups a wide berth

 

Can't we do both? a good team should be able to.

[Thedelldays]

Can't we do both? a good team should be able to.

we could..but would rather we put all our eggs in obe basket...and by going what weston has said (who is ITK) this will be the case..

 

that is good news IMO