Daily Mail: "Pardew faces Saints axe"

[Bearsy]

I think there's something in this.

 

Pardew keeps bringing up in the press the 18 months he was allegedly promised, and I think that's aimed squarely at Cortese.

 

I hope they kiss and make up, another change of manager is not what we need at the moment IMO.

[corsacar saint]

Since when has anything or anybody linked to the tories,ever told the truth.

That said I hope AP,is given till at least christmas.

[Window Cleaner]

If we had got more points from the first 10 games, then AP would not have summised that we needed to add a lot more quality than we had at that time, and so would not have kept adding so many (better) players to the squad. Possible result? We would not have had such fantastic runs of results later on. Just a thought

 

But our best run came when we had none of the latest additions.It's probably just coincidental that it was before the JPT got serious and that we probably played no really good sides.Connolly was fit most of that period as was Murty

(or I think he was,haven't checked) Hammond and Morgan was the bog standard midfield pairing and at the first hurdle after Morgan got injured we lost at Leeds.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

The take the story with "a pinch of salt" thread...

Edited 4 May, 2010 by ALWAYS_SFC

[Bucks Saint]

But our best run came when we had none of the latest additions.It's probably just coincidental that it was before the JPT got serious and that we probably played no really good sides.Connolly was fit most of that period as was Murty

(or I think he was,haven't checked) Hammond and Morgan was the bog standard midfield pairing and at the first hurdle after Morgan got injured we lost at Leeds.

 

Not disputing the thrust of what you say, but I am willing to bet my piggy bank (I havent checked either) that a lot of points were won, particularly in the fantastic Oct / Nov run, with the help of the players added after the season started

[1976_Child]

The take the story with "a pinch of salt" thread...

 

it is in the Mail so must be true

[Toadhall Saint]

No quotes, no facts, no evidence - a 'non-article' if I ever saw one.

 

Was my first thought.

[Window Cleaner]

Not disputing the thrust of what you say, but I am willing to bet my piggy bank (I havent checked either) that a lot of points were won, particularly in the fantastic Oct / Nov run, with the help of the players added after the season started

 

 

the line up in the match before Leeds was something like

 

Bart,James,Jaidi,Perry,Harding,Morgan,Hammond,Lallana,Antonio,Connolly,Lambert; Wotton came on often enough and Mellis and Trotman played their part. Murty played really few games for us, probably about the first 10 or 12 after that he got injured most of the time and was replaced by James.Then again we only played middling and poor teams most of the time;When the real tests like Leeds and Colchester came along we weren't so good.It was a team that could p*ss on Oldham though which we couldn't again at home later in the season.

[1976_Child]

Some mentioned above that it was the failed takeover bid which was really to blame. If Pards had a month more to get the team prepared and new talent in then we would have been in the playoffs.

 

So, a little bit of the blame, it hurts me to say, must rest with MLT for getting hooked up with the failed bid and giving it credibility.

 

Not that I actually 'blame' anyone. Personally, I have thoroughly enjoyed this season and am looking forward to next season with much eagerness. We are the club to beat next season and I hope we get off to a flying start and stay right up at the top all season.

[doddisalegend]

the line up in the match before Leeds was something like

 

Bart,James,Jaidi,Perry,Harding,Morgan,Hammond,Lallana,Antonio,Connolly,Lambert; Wotton came on often enough and Mellis and Trotman played their part. Murty played really few games for us, probably about the first 10 or 12 after that he got injured most of the time and was replaced by James.Then again we only played middling and poor teams most of the time;When the real tests like Leeds and Colchester came along we weren't so good.It was a team that could p*ss on Oldham though which we couldn't again at home later in the season.

 

So now we know who to blame for not reaching the play offs and for our bad start. Once Murty stopped playing we got better;)

[Redondo Saint]

I am not a Daily Mail hater and read it on line most days.

 

However, this paper also stated that West Brom are looking at signing "ex Saints STAR Van Damme".

 

Clearly not a lot of credibility can be given to both articles!

[sadoldgit]

Why ?

 

I was behind AP this season and will be behind him next season. I have simply questioned some of the things he has done, expressed my frustration at some performances and results, and questioned how NC sees things.

 

My call to support next seasons manager is perfectly reasonable.

 

If you can't see why Alpine you really do need to get out more.

 

Your idea of getting behind a manager is laughable and I suspect the only time you would really get behind Pardew if he was standing on the edge of a cliff. Goodness knows what the poor bloke needs to do to gain your support - win 3 in 13 maybe?

 

Why do you put so much store in Cortese exactly? Like Lowe, he does not have a football background. He also seems to have little idea about managing a football team.

 

Most Saints fans seems to appreciate what Pardew has done for the club this season and are looking forward to next season with lots of optimism. It is a shame that Cortese cannpt come out and back his manager and it is a shame you can't get behind a decent manager, but that is your problem.

[Redondo Saint]

Not engaging the press regarding gossip is in my opinion the right policy.

 

Let's wait and see, either way, the investment from ML will not be wasted and I am sure we can expect further funds being made available to the playing squad and infrastructure.

 

NC and ML have embarked on a journey and will not alter course despite the press or sporadic emails from fans.

 

Let's continue to enjoy the ride!

[JackFrost]

If Pardew leaves, Cortese is going to make himself very unpopular

[up and away]

Would be massively dissapointed if this is true.

 

It may be Marcus' money, but i've had the time of my life following Pardew's team.

 

Just hope it is, as suggested by many, to be utter rubbish

 

I am pretty certain this story is a rehash of all the earlier stories. Pardew blurting out that he concentrated on the cups and Cortese firmly giving him the direction he expects him to take. The signings in January were definitely for making a push towards the play offs, but I cannot see any definite line in having to make them, but to maximise our chances of doing so.

 

As for Liebherrs money, we have clearly seen what Pardew is like without it, so that would never balance in a life time. The only reason Cortese would be getting rid of Pardew is if he cannot trust him to concentrate on the league or Pardew has shown interest in another position, either of those and I would expect him to be gone.

 

Pardew has certainly done enough to be here next season and I expect the squad to be far better than this season with his expertise and Liebherrs money. My one lingering doubt is that I cannot see a Pardew team with a defensive spine to it, something needed to grind out results. Automatic has to be clear next season and if Cortese cannot see that at what ever position in time, then I expect him to be decisive.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It seems to me if the owner of a football club and his Chairman give their manager a lot of money to spend on transfers and wages , then it's perfectly reasonable that they are entitled to demand a certain level of performance to show for that investment . This is the 'flip side' of that particular coin , and while we will all (doubtless) have our say about it SFC really is their club and their business in the final analysis - as fans are just 'along for the ride' as they say .

 

People keep telling me that stability and patience are the keys to long term success , and while it's fair to say I'm not 100% convinced that is necessarily entirely true , on balance I'd still like to see Alan Pardew given the time to show what he can do next season - he deserves the chance .

 

I only wish Nigel Pearson had been shown that same consideration , for the more I see of the man , the more I am convinced that his departure was a minor tragedy for this football club .

[saintjinksie]

Fair play to cortese, glad he has come round to my way of thinking. he has done an average/poor job with the best squad in the league.

[Matthew Le God]

I only wish Nigel Pearson had been shown that same consideration , for the more I see of the man , the more I am convinced that his departure was a minor tragedy for this football club .

 

Far from it. If Pearson had been the manager last season and kept Saints up, Rupert Lowe may still be in charge.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Far from it. If Pearson had been the manager last season and kept Saints up, Rupert Lowe may still be in charge.

 

I wasn't trying to rewrite history , all I'm saying is that if the timing had been different and NP had received the same sort of opportunity that AP has then we might well have done rather better than we have in my opinion .

 

Not something that I could ever prove of course , just a honest reflection on how this fan happens to feel about it .

[croydonsaint]

All said and done this is not a particularly hard league to get out of. Surely what ever the case Pardew should be given until December and then by all means review his position.If we are top 2, then lets carry on, if not then fair enough lets consider [please note i said consider], making a change.

 

Not sure what making a change now would achieve. It would, i would imagine send all the wrong signals to the players, which were mainly Pardews recruits.

I am this thread is responding to lazy journalism, trying to fill a few column inches.

 

Would be nice at the end of the season for Cortese to give his end of year report and hopefully some strong backing to his management team who under the circumstances i dont think have done a bad job.

[amsterdam]

I think we should fire him and get a new manager in. And if that new manager hasn't won us the UEFA Champions League before he has found his way to Staplewood he also should be sacked. In fact Cortese should sign the contract of employment with the new manager at SMS and then keep phoning him every thirty seconds to ask why he hasn't won the UEFA cup yet. If he gets to the front gates of Staplewood and the cup is not in the trophy cabinet at SMS then the security guards should not let him in.

 

We need this sort of tough attitude to success.

 

Nice one! Did you ever work for Philip Morris International (ironically also based in CH)?!

 

I think some of the Alpine-baiting is a bit harsh on here - he's big and ugly enough to defend his own corner, but he's also right in this instance.

 

As fans, we are generally happy/satisfied with AP, especially the squad and team he has built in a very short time. But WE don't set the targets (and don't know what the specific targets were). If AP in January said "Give me 2m and I'll finish in the play-offs", then he has obviously under-achieved, and as a results-orientated businessman, NC has got to decide whether AP was unfortunate or over-estimating his abilities...

 

AP has stated he wants to bring in 3-4 CCC-level players during the summer (which won't be cheap), and us fans are all rubbing our hands in anticipation, but NC again has to decide whether this is AP being a kid in a toy shop or whether this is a sound business investment in the medium term.

 

So (agreeing with Alpine) AP has my full support (and appreciation for what he has done this season), but if NC feels he needs a change, then so be it.

 

Oh! And to those who keep going on about "consistency" in management - I see your point (as a child of the Big Mac generation, and the examples of Ferguson and Wenger), but I think this is a bit of a red herring; our decline was not due to the turnover of managers, but the quality of those managers and the financial support they were given; Chelsea, anyone?

[Rebel]

I am not a Daily Mail hater and read it on line most days.

 

However, this paper also stated that West Brom are looking at signing "ex Saints STAR Van Damme".

 

Clearly not a lot of credibility can be given to both articles!

 

and at one point they referred to him as a striker - and to qoute Shakespeare 'neither a striker nor a star he be' at Saints!

[Rebel]

lets not start likening Cortese to Lowe! please no!

 

Lowe admitted he was not a football man - but a jolly hocky sticks, rugby loving fox hunting member of the upper classes - which means he knew nothing about football and looked down on us not even as customers but a captured market to be made mugs off! I doubt they even played football as his school - probably such stupid version of the Eton Wall Game!

 

Now Cortese is a Swiss Italian - which probably means he grew up playing and watching football - so he probably knows as much about football as most Saints fans. He's also hinted that he's been involved in sports finance before - so he probably know's about the business side of sport than Lowe as well!

 

lets not confuse Lowe with a good businessman - he was a City Boy - and hopefully we've all learnt by now that they actually know very little about business but an awful lot about taking other people money and taking big bonuses for nothing!

 

its easy to captain a ship when the wind is blowing in the right direction - but as soon as we hit a storm and saw some rocks Lowe was out of his depth (a paddling pool with water wings on)

 

so far Corteses has shown more business know how and an better understanding of the fans in one season than Lowe ever did in his ten

 

now Pardew hasn't done a bad job, but he hasn't done a great job either - and at one stage the play-offs looked very possible - so it is disappointing for all that we didn't make it

 

and AP has to take the blame for that as manager (at times he got the tactics wrong, at times the team selections and the substitutes)

 

And NC is right to ask some difficult questions as to why we failed to make the play-offs

 

I'd expect answers to those questions - and good ones - if I was NC - not excuses - but I would give AP at least another season to prove he is the right man in the right job at the right time

 

if the answers he gives are just excuses maybe NC is right to look for a replacement

 

part of the problem is I think the goalposts moved during the season - from a top half finish to a play-off place - and money was spent on this basis in January

 

but then I think both AP and NC underestimated how much of a rebuild the team needed at the start of the season!

 

if we stick with AP, keep the core of the team and invest in strengthening the squad we will go up next season

 

anything less than that and we are rolling the dice a bit and hoping for some luck!

[Julian H. Cope]

The only things I would ask is that if NC is going to do it, he needs to do it NOW, not later, and that all of those of you that really sulk over this find it in yourselves to get behind the new manager next season - its not his fault.

 

I never tire of your rhetoric, more please.

[sadoldgit]

Say that Cortese does get rid of Pardew this summer and the replacement fails not only to get us promoted but also fails to even make the play offs....where does that leave Cortese?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

The only things I would ask is that if NC is going to do it, he needs to do it NOW, not later, and that all of those of you that really sulk over this find it in yourselves to get behind the new manager next season - its not his fault.

 

Real lol moment!

 

I'd call it irony.

[doddisalegend]

All said and done this is not a particularly hard league to get out of. Surely what ever the case Pardew should be given until December and then by all means review his position.If we are top 2, then lets carry on, if not then fair enough lets consider [please note i said consider], making a change.

 

Not sure what making a change now would achieve. It would, i would imagine send all the wrong signals to the players, which were mainly Pardews recruits.

I am this thread is responding to lazy journalism, trying to fill a few column inches.

 

Would be nice at the end of the season for Cortese to give his end of year report and hopefully some strong backing to his management team who under the circumstances i dont think have done a bad job.

 

I'm sure the likes of Leeds, Wednesday and Notts Forest may disagree.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Millwall have the same number of points as us since that point, we have a better goal difference. We are the 2nd best team in the league since 1st October.

 

This may be true, BUT we did have the chance at Xmas to really make a run count, and failed to do so. And we failed when it came to putting real pressure on Huddersfield, especially galling after trouncing them.

 

It is very harsh, yes, but at critical points we choked. And I think NC will be looking hard at that weakness because, despite the goals, where was our control when it came to playing the minnows? There was a lack of nous at critical times. NC will be a hard task master as I don't think he's one to sit back with his glass of Chateaux Margaux and recall just the good bits without seriously focussing on the bits that went wrong.

 

IMO Pardew will go. How its dressed up will be interesting.

[alpine_saint]

If you can't see why Alpine you really do need to get out more.

 

Your idea of getting behind a manager is laughable and I suspect the only time you would really get behind Pardew if he was standing on the edge of a cliff. Goodness knows what the poor bloke needs to do to gain your support - win 3 in 13 maybe?

 

Why do you put so much store in Cortese exactly? Like Lowe, he does not have a football background. He also seems to have little idea about managing a football team.

 

Most Saints fans seems to appreciate what Pardew has done for the club this season and are looking forward to next season with lots of optimism. It is a shame that Cortese cannpt come out and back his manager and it is a shame you can't get behind a decent manager, but that is your problem.

 

More stalking, more abuse, nothing new to say...:smt015

[beatlesaint]

Far from it. If Pearson had been the manager last season and kept Saints up, Rupert Lowe may still be in charge.

 

Very unlikely.....unless you think Pearson could have saved us from administration.

[Matthew Le God]

Very unlikely.....unless you think Pearson could have saved us from administration.

 

May have reduced the chances of Barclays calling in the overdraft if it looked like the club was going to remain in the Championship.

[redder freak]

The Mail story could be wishful thinking on the part of those who don't want to see Saints succeed, to stir up feeling against Pardew.

 

I agree that it would be a disaster for the club if he left in the summer. It would mean yet another manager taking a couple of months to gel with the players and build team morale. Another lost season with another manager who would probably fail, because it's hard to imagine a better manager than Pardew at League 1 level.

 

Unless perhaps we could persuade Alex Ferguson to join Saints. His job must be under pressure, like Pardew. Man U have only won a tin-pot trophy this season, the same as Saints. HCDAJFU at this level, IMO.

[Legod Third Coming]

This may be true, BUT we did have the chance at Xmas to really make a run count, and failed to do so. And we failed when it came to putting real pressure on Huddersfield, especially galling after trouncing them.

 

It is very harsh, yes, but at critical points we choked. And I think NC will be looking hard at that weakness because, despite the goals, where was our control when it came to playing the minnows? There was a lack of nous at critical times. NC will be a hard task master as I don't think he's one to sit back with his glass of Chateaux Margaux and recall just the good bits without seriously focussing on the bits that went wrong.

 

IMO Pardew will go. How its dressed up will be interesting.

 

Utter garbage. How can we have promotion form since October 1st but have choked? We lost and drew games that other teams also lost and drew...

 

God this site beggars belief. Should I have seen some sort of health form before signing up asking me whether I'd had a labotomy that I missed?

[alpine_saint]

This may be true, BUT we did have the chance at Xmas to really make a run count, and failed to do so. And we failed when it came to putting real pressure on Huddersfield, especially galling after trouncing them.

 

It is very harsh, yes, but at critical points we choked. And I think NC will be looking hard at that weakness because, despite the goals, where was our control when it came to playing the minnows? There was a lack of nous at critical times. NC will be a hard task master as I don't think he's one to sit back with his glass of Chateaux Margaux and recall just the good bits without seriously focussing on the bits that went wrong.

 

IMO Pardew will go. How its dressed up will be interesting.

 

Reckon you make some good points. But I reckon AP will still be here in August.

[Thedelldays]

I'm sure the likes of Leeds, Wednesday and Notts Forest may disagree.

it is not a hard league...no way should it be hard with what we have

 

plymouth have won this league with wotton as the captain..lol

[Legod Third Coming]

it is not a hard league...no way should it be hard with what we have

 

plymouth have won this league with wotton as the captain..lol

 

That proves the point. Well done.

[Thedelldays]

That proves the point. Well done.

that it is easily winnable with frees and loans..?

 

SWINDON TOWN...is all that needs to be said

 

new manager, no money, little pre season, players from non league, even more no money,

 

I wonder what sort of response danny wilson would get if he was pardews replacement (if the story in the paper is true)

[St. Jason]

The only things I would ask is that if NC is going to do it, he needs to do it NOW, not later, and that all of those of you that really sulk over this find it in yourselves to get behind the new manager next season - its not his fault.

 

I'm so sick of being told to "stop sulking" and "get behind the new man" When Lowe got rid of Pearson you all said the same thing as well as "he's unproved" and " see what he does in the Championship" well he's done pretty good!

 

Pardew has had a great season, he's started building something here, we are winning games, a lot of games. I've been to Wembley, and seen my great team win a trophy, I've seen my team overcome -10 and compete for a play-off place against all the odd's. You say that "rest assured if nc gets shot of ap whoever he brings in will be good" like who, who's better qulified with a better record than Pardew?

 

Lets not make the same mistake we made when we let Pearson go, Pardew, Liehber and Cortesse signed up for a 5 year plan, I've enjoyed year 1, can't wait for year 2 and can only dream about where we'll be after year 5!!

[NickG]

More stalking, more abuse, nothing new to say...:smt015

 

:confused:

[Thedelldays]

I'm so sick of being told to "stop sulking" and "get behind the new man" When Lowe got rid of Pearson you all said the same thing as well as "he's unproved" and " see what he does in the Championship" well he's done pretty good!

 

Pardew has had a great season, he's started building something here, we are winning games, a lot of games. I've been to Wembley, and seen my great team win a trophy, I've seen my team overcome -10 and compete for a play-off place against all the odd's. You say that "rest assured if nc gets shot of ap whoever he brings in will be good" like who, who's better qulified with a better record than Pardew?

 

Lets not make the same mistake we made when we let Pearson go, Pardew, Liehber and Cortesse signed up for a 5 year plan, I've enjoyed year 1, can't wait for year 2 and can only dream about where we'll be after year 5!!

 

 

what will you think if the stories turn out to be true..?

will NC still have your backing..?

[doddisalegend]

that it is easily winnable with frees and loans..?

 

SWINDON TOWN...is all that needs to be said

 

new manager, no money, little pre season, players from non league, even more no money,

 

I wonder what sort of response danny wilson would get if he was pardews replacement (if the story in the paper is true)

 

Sorry have I missed the bit where Swindon have been promoted:confused:

 

Also Swindon are hardly penniless if their owners choose to spend

 

League One top 5 (for what it's worth):

1 Sir Martyn Arbib (Swindon Town) £325m

2 Andrew Black (Swindon Town) £185m

3 Dean Hoyle (Huddersfield Town) £154m

4 Graham Ferguson Lacey (Millwall) £90m

5 Frank Van Wezel (Southend United) £72m

 

Plus Their manager came in half way through last season. They've had one player from non league and most of their loans are promising youngsters from EPL teams or Celtic. Apart from all that no your right Swindon says it all (of course if they lose next saturday and we win we'll have actually got more points than Swindon this year)

Edited 4 May, 2010 by doddisalegend

[Thedelldays]

like southend then..no money worries there then

 

swindon have spent f-all...

[St. Jason]

what will you think if the stories turn out to be true..?

will NC still have your backing..?

 

I'd really have to question NC's decision making, I can't see who's out there better qualified than Pardew?

 

Don't get me wrong, there's been games when I've questioned Pardew's tactic's and sub's, but on the whole I like him, I like his vision, I like his press conference and I love his passion!

 

At the start of the season most of us would have been pretty happy if we were promised what we've ended up with!

 

NC think long and hard, do we really want to start all over again? Do we really want to overhaul the playing staff again? If we're still in this league at the end of next season then yes, act swiftly and decisive like Coventry have, but lets give him a full pre-season and get behind him!!!

[Legod Third Coming]

that it is easily winnable with frees and loans..?

 

SWINDON TOWN...is all that needs to be said

 

new manager, no money, little pre season, players from non league, even more no money,

 

I wonder what sort of response danny wilson would get if he was pardews replacement (if the story in the paper is true)

 

Hahahah.

 

An easy league is one where lots of teams do well?

 

Look, how can a league be easy if anyone can win it? That is a total oxymoron.

 

It is easy for Manchester United or Chelsea to win the Premiership because no-one else can get close to them.

 

This league cannot be easy to win or the teams you perceive as being the big teams - Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Man City would have been able to win it at a canter. Surely this is just simple logic?

[sfc4prem]

it is not a hard league...no way should it be hard with what we have

 

plymouth have won this league with wotton as the captain..lol

 

Apparantly in Wotton's glory days at Argyle he would frequently score free kicks and had a decent goal tally to boot. He's a shell of what he used to be, but a nice guy nonetheless.

[Andy Durman]

What ridiculous statement is that ?

 

Who the f*ck do you think you are trying to put words in my mouth ?

 

I support AP.

I understand why NC may be thinking about changing manager

I have been annoyed by some of the teams efforts this season.

 

What in those statements is contradictory or controversial ?

 

Alpine I am merely quoting your own words. The ridiculous statement you refer to is your own.

[PokingFun]

The only things I would ask is that if NC is going to do it, he needs to do it NOW, not later, and that all of those of you that really sulk over this find it in yourselves to get behind the new manager next season - its not his fault.

 

Ha Ha Ha Ha ........ Oh the irony of the post!

[Thedelldays]

Hahahah.

 

An easy league is one where lots of teams do well?

 

Look, how can a league be easy if anyone can win it? That is a total oxymoron.

 

It is easy for Manchester United or Chelsea to win the Premiership because no-one else can get close to them.

 

This league cannot be easy to win or the teams you perceive as being the big teams - Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Man City would have been able to win it at a canter. Surely this is just simple logic?

it must be easy..we would have been in the playoffs if it was not for league 1...even starting the season with a mish mash team

[NickG]

Ha Ha Ha Ha ........ Oh the irony of the post!

 

either a joke or totally lacking in self-awareness?!

[Arizona]

Complete bull****. If this happens I will streak around Fratton Park on a match day, in front of both fans.