Andy Durman Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Why ? I was behind AP this season and will be behind him next season. I have simply questioned some of the things he has done, expressed my frustration at some performances and results, and questioned how NC sees things. My call to support next seasons manager is perfectly reasonable. Please let me correct your misquote. You stated for us to get behind the new manager next season. This is very different to your watered down attempt to dig yourself out of another ridiculous statement. I for one will not discuss a new manager when we already have a manager who gave me my best footballing experience. Winning at Wembley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 What ! like you did this season for AP? some of us WILL give our support . in many ways .. unlike some What are you on about ? I do support AP, as I have made clear on frequent occasions. I am frustrated by his negativity and the teams sh*te performance sometimes, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 What we need is a Dutch manager from their lower leagues. That should do the trick! Total football is what is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Please let me correct your misquote. You stated for us to get behind the new manager next season. This is very different to your watered down attempt to dig yourself out of another ridiculous statement. What ridiculous statement is that ? Who the f*ck do you think you are trying to put words in my mouth ? I support AP. I understand why NC may be thinking about changing manager I have been annoyed by some of the teams efforts this season. What in those statements is contradictory or controversial ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 constant criticising is not supporting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Surprise surprise, the journalist responsible didn't put his name to the article... Reporters don't get to make the decision as to whether their by-line accompanies the story or not. The fact that it is bylined 'Daily Mail reporter' tells you it was not done by a staff member, but supplied by an agency or freelance. That would not necessarily be to protect them, but simply because as a non-staff member they would not warrant a by-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Just when I thought that we may have an undisturbed pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 id give him till christmas but its unforgivable if we are not promoted next season. pardews done quite a good job so far but not in the same league as what lambert done at norwich wiith a lot less money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I cast your mind back a few years to when one Georgio Burlinho was at the reigns, for the answer to your point. My posting is nowhere near as scathing or venomous towards Pardew now as it was to Burley then.. You know you really are something else. You whinge like a baby about insults yet love to throw them out. You go about debating & how people can't hadle them, yet IF we have a different view to you we are called all sorts .. I think your great at debates especially mass ones. The point was .. If the manager was changed get behind him ( that was you) what people are saying is but you didnt get behind AP, or if that's support lets NOT see it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I really doubt if NC wanted us to push for the play offs, I think he wanted us to be in the play-offs, it's true that we're in them if you add on the 10 points but only on goal difference. I doubt that the story is correct but I can see that the grounds are there for it to be.Now apparently we need to spend even more money for next season and I doubt that that will go down well. If I have a criticism of AP this season it is with his handling of the fringe players, I don't think he's done enough to either get shot of them or integrate them. Some of them have ongoing contracts and obviously aren't in his plans, so I'd think he needs to deal with that before he gets any more serious money to spend. Remember the poor start too! which was hardly Pardews fault given the squad he inherited! Agree that with the 10 points we are just in the playoffs on goal difference. This is the "glass half empty" view however the "glass half full" view shows that with the 10 points we are just 3 off leeds in the 2nd promotion place and we would have played a stronger team at Gillingham if it mattered! Also the number of points needed to make the play offs this year is unusually high which is hardly a help to anyone starting on -10 In my view Pardew has done more than enough to deserve the chance of showing what he can do next year! I for one hope he gets it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Lowe out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 You know you really are something else. You whinge like a baby about insults yet love to throw them out. You go about debating & how people can't hadle them, yet IF we have a different view to you we are called all sorts .. I think your great at debates especially mass ones. The point was .. If the manager was changed get behind him ( that was you) what people are saying is but you didnt get behind AP, or if that's support lets NOT see it!! Why, because I dont come out with "In AP we Trust" or "COYR" cliches ? What insults do I throw out ? I dish out NOTHING compared to what I receive. Come on, what have I called you ? Are you feeling left out or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 id give him till christmas but its unforgivable if we are not promoted next season. pardews done quite a good job so far but not in the same league as what lambert done at norwich wiith a lot less money Now, now ! Dont let facts get in the way of a good happy-clap session... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 constant criticising is not supporting! That's just rubbish what you wrote there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 In my view Pardew has done more than enough to deserve the chance of showing what he can do next year! I for one hope he gets it! I am sure that most people see it that way. I am slightly more objective but as I've said many times I'm OK if he stays and OK if he doesn't.Millwall and Norwich have both better records than us since game 9 and to me that is of no little importance.I'm sure NC will see it very objectively unless there were hard-line strings attached to the January recruitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 id give him till christmas but its unforgivable if we are not promoted next season. pardews done quite a good job so far but not in the same league as what lambert done at norwich wiith a lot less money The list of similarities with Norwich:...we are both in League One this season. Not even going to bother explaning this to you but safe to say its a nuts comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I think the Cortese/pardew stuff has been blown way out of proportion by the media. Cortese has actually only said he wanted the focus on the league rather than any JPT run. The paper version of this DM article is just a column filler amongst other stuff edited by Simon Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 That's just rubbish what you wrote there. lets not put it to a poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Millwall and Norwich have both better records than us since game 9. Millwall have the same number of points as us since that point, we have a better goal difference. We are the 2nd best team in the league since 1st October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Millwall have the same number of points as us since that point, we have a better goal difference. We are the 2nd best team in the league since 1st October. AP out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Play up Pompey... blah blah blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 In a bizarre coincidence, I just overheard the security guard in Croydon Sainsbury's issue forth the following to a colleague: "I think Southampton will get back in the Premiership with that manager." This got me thinking - even in the likely event said security official knows next to k'all, and certainly (hopefully) less than NC, our achievements this season under AP have created that perception. What psychological advantage for next year might we have earned from our comparative successes this season? And what might the appearance of going back to square one with a new manager cost us? I for one hope this is speculation with no real basis in fact, and that the only person responsible for ending Pardew's tenure with us before Christmas is the man himself, if he so chooses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Millwall have the same number of points as us since that point, we have a better goal difference. We are the 2nd best team in the league since 1st October. this is of course why I was very careful to specify since the 9th games (10th games was a shock horror home defeat for us by Bristol Rovers) At that point we had -1 point and Millwall had 10 points. Since then they have obtained 72 and we have obtained 71. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 this is of course why I was very careful to specify since the 9th games (10th games was a shock horror home defeat for us by Bristol Rovers) At that point we had -1 point and Millwall had 10 points. Since then they have obtained 72 and we have obtained 71. Ah, my apologies. Bit of a strange starting point to you to have chosen then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Ah, my apologies. Bit of a strange starting point to you to have chosen then... Not really, some would tell you that AP was severely warned by NC after the defeat by BR (sorry about the acronyms) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Remember the poor start too! which was hardly Pardews fault given the squad he inherited! Agree that with the 10 points we are just in the playoffs on goal difference. This is the "glass half empty" view however the "glass half full" view shows that with the 10 points we are just 3 off leeds in the 2nd promotion place and we would have played a stronger team at Gillingham if it mattered! Also the number of points needed to make the play offs this year is unusually high which is hardly a help to anyone starting on -10 In my view Pardew has done more than enough to deserve the chance of showing what he can do next year! I for one hope he gets it! Well I think it is Pardew's fault he should have done better with the team at the beginning of the season I am not suggesting that we should have won them all but we should have got a few more points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Why, because I dont come out with "In AP we Trust" or "COYR" cliches ? What insults do I throw out ? I dish out NOTHING compared to what I receive. Come on, what have I called you ? Are you feeling left out or something ? You won’t get me disagreeing that some of the put downs you get are uncalled for BUT you can be very belittling to others opinions & views yourself. You also use very wide spectrums to try to win your point. I wonder how many laughed when you said get behind the manager if AP is sacked .. because while you might feel & think you have been supportive, your attitude has been far from supportive .. & NO this doesn’t mean you need to go to the IN AP we trust .. WHY on earth do you need to try & patronise those that have this conversation with you? I do support AP but I don’t think I have ever done the in AP we trust or anything of that like . I feel there is a difference between unhappiness at some poor games we have played & harping on all the time about how certain things are unacceptable & not taking "reality" into account . Fed up of hearing how those who feel money can't buy success having what they are saying twisted from that to the money has made no difference. No one has ever said the money didn’t make a difference. On the point of AP we way exceeded your start of season predictions for our finnish , in fact we blew it away .. so what’s your issue exactly? Don't change what's not broke in football more than most sports, swapping & changing is damaging long term for a club, those that don't see that are blind or ignore it because can't cope with being wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I'm not surprised at the story because the signs have been there for some time. From NC's viewpoint, it's probably less a case of us not getting to the playoffs and more a case of where we blew important points. Here's one thing, though, that makes me think the report is inaccurate. NC has clearly had close contact with Coppell for some time, and there were rumours that he was the first choice ahead of AP, so why would Cortese sit back and let Coppell go to Bristol City if he was planning on firing AP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I'm not surprised at the story because the signs have been there for some time. From NC's viewpoint, it's probably less a case of us not getting to the playoffs and more a case of where we blew important points. Here's one thing, though, that makes me think the report is inaccurate. NC has clearly had close contact with Coppell for some time, and there were rumours that he was the first choice ahead of AP, so why would Cortese sit back and let Coppell go to Bristol City if he was planning on firing AP? Because Coppell may not want to work for NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Because Coppell may not want to work for NC So why did he keep turning up in the Directors' box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acersaint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I beleive that alpinesaint belongs to the "light blue touch paper and stand well back" brigade. We should award him a wooden spoon, a very large one, so he can keep on stirring. I mean he doesn't have a very open mind if he believes in the Daily Mail!! Can't wait for next season. I will be at SMS on Sat to show my appreciation to the team AND AP for the wonderful season we have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I'm not surprised at the story because the signs have been there for some time. From NC's viewpoint, it's probably less a case of us not getting to the playoffs and more a case of where we blew important points. Here's one thing, though, that makes me think the report is inaccurate. NC has clearly had close contact with Coppell for some time, and there were rumours that he was the first choice ahead of AP, so why would Cortese sit back and let Coppell go to Bristol City if he was planning on firing AP? Perhaps because Coppell thought Bristol City being in CCC already would be less stressful than it would be here. Hasn't he bailed out before? Whoever is in the job next season has a massive amount of pressure from not just the board but from fans and the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I'm not surprised at the story because the signs have been there for some time. From NC's viewpoint, it's probably less a case of us not getting to the playoffs and more a case of where we blew important points. Here's one thing, though, that makes me think the report is inaccurate. NC has clearly had close contact with Coppell for some time, and there were rumours that he was the first choice ahead of AP, so why would Cortese sit back and let Coppell go to Bristol City if he was planning on firing AP? I really doubt that Coppell was NC's first choice.Probably played some sort of advisory role though.NC's first choice was probably someone we've hardly even heard about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 So why did he keep turning up in the Directors' box? No one knows but if AP is sacked would you like the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 In Pards we trust.....COYRs........OWTSGMI......Onwards and Upwards..... I am just luvving it..... Up the Saints.. You little winkers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Well I think it is Pardew's fault he should have done better with the team at the beginning of the season I am not suggesting that we should have won them all but we should have got a few more points I agree - the team at the start of the season was not great and obviously confidence was an issue, but a decent manager would expect more points from them opening 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 No one knows but if AP is sacked would you like the job? No - not after reading this forum for god knows how many years! I go both ways on Pardew (not like that!) but it worries me a lot that firing him could make us one of those places that good managers don't want to go. I just wouldn't be at all surprised if he did it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 No - not after reading this forum for god knows how many years! I go both ways on Pardew (not like that!) but it worries me a lot that firing him could make us one of those places that good managers don't want to go. I just wouldn't be at all surprised if he did it, though. In total agreement I think Pardew should be left to get on with the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 a decent manager would expect more points from them opening 10 games. I'm quite sure AP would have expected more points from "them" opening 10 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I agree - the team at the start of the season was not great and obviously confidence was an issue, but a decent manager would expect more points from them opening 10 games. Expecting and achieving are clearly not the same thing. From your post I deduce AP cannot be a decent manager IF he didn't expect more points but how on earth do you actually know what he expected ? I expected very little from our first 6/8 games which is what we got, does that make me a bad supporter? I think the answer is clearly not, just one who looks at things optimistically but doesn't lose sight of the reality. If it is not clear already in my view anything who thinks AP should be sacked is barking mad, anyone who thinks NC has the footballing nous to decide on this is also barking mad. So in short we have a fair few people on here who are stark raving bonkers...... in my humble opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Is this story in any other papers? The Mail has an agenda with SFC/AP, as they want him to get the Hammers job. Let's hope this is another non-story and typical of the rumours at this time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 "believed to have upset Cortese" ?? where has this come from. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1271478/Southampton-boss-Alan-Pardew-fighting-job-failure-reach-playoffs.html a few people have posted that they heard that pardew will be gone in the summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 Is this story in any other papers? The Mail has an agenda with SFC/AP, as they want him to get the Hammers job. Let's hope this is another non-story and typical of the rumours at this time of the year. As I said much earlier a non story but one which gives us something to talk about on a boring, back to work Tuesday, 4 pages and 190 posts or so and still going strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 In total agreement I think Pardew should be left to get on with the job I think we should fire him and get a new manager in. And if that new manager hasn't won us the UEFA Champions League before he has found his way to Staplewood he also should be sacked. In fact Cortese should sign the contract of employment with the new manager at SMS and then keep phoning him every thirty seconds to ask why he hasn't won the UEFA cup yet. If he gets to the front gates of Staplewood and the cup is not in the trophy cabinet at SMS then the security guards should not let him in. We need this sort of tough attitude to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I heard its kevin keegan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 This is the same Daily Mail that 'created' the Zinoviev Letter in the '30's to fabricate the receipt of 'Russian Gold'. now we are in the 21st Century and NOTHING has changed. It's a complete fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 After reading the story, if you can call it that, it seems to be a rehash of old news. Its like they heard about the comments NC made back February and just assuming Pardew is toast because we didn't make the play off's. Until we hear anything different I am treating this as load of made up rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 After reading the story, if you can call it that, it seems to be a rehash of old news. Its like they heard about the comments NC made back February and just assuming Pardew is toast because we didn't make the play off's. Until we hear anything different I am treating this as load of made up rubbish. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I heard its kevin keegan You been speaking to Melinda Messenger too? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 4 May, 2010 Share Posted 4 May, 2010 I agree - the team at the start of the season was not great and obviously confidence was an issue, but a decent manager would expect more points from them opening 10 games. If we had got more points from the first 10 games, then AP would not have summised that we needed to add a lot more quality than we had at that time, and so would not have kept adding so many (better) players to the squad. Possible result? We would not have had such fantastic runs of results later on. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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