Daily Mail: "Pardew faces Saints axe"

[trousers]

In today's paper. Ok, I know it's the Mail and therefore rubbish by default (obviously) but no smoke without fire...?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1271478/Southampton-boss-Alan-Pardew-fighting-job-failure-reach-playoffs.html

[modern matron]

In today's paper. Ok, I know it's the Mail and therefore rubbish by default (obviously) but no smoke without fire...?

 

A statement rubbishing this by Cortese would be welcomed. Otherwise this wont go away.....

[dune]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. AP has done a reasonable job but I get the distinct impression he's got a bit too big for his boots in his relationship with Nicola Cortese. I won't be popular for saying this, but i'm really not too fussed if he stays or goes. If he goes you can bet your bottom dollar his replacement will be good. If he stays I think we'll still go up. Whatever happens the future is bright for us.

[NickG]

good maybe, but starting again after he has built decent team spirit

[alpine_saint]

Wouldnt be suprised either way.

Wouldnt be gutted either way.

[NickG]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1271478/Southampton-boss-Alan-Pardew-fighting-job-failure-reach-playoffs.html?ITO=1490

[chrisobee]

Yes, it is only the Daily Snail but I'm with MM in thinking a statement from Cortese would not go amiss. Unlike some I would be upset if Pardew left and think it would be a huge mistake. More upheaval and uncertainty when IMO it's clearly not needed is not the way to make progress, have we still not learnt the lessons of the past ? If it ain't broke don't fix it, an oft used phrase I know but in this case a simple and plain truth.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Ridiculous cheap shot by low life journo who can't even spell 'handsome'. Probably a jealous Skate. Despite the -10 and inheriting the crappest squad ever Pards got us up to 7th and probably will finish with a points total that would have made the play offs in a different year. And he won a cup at Wembley. If Cortese gets rid of him he is off his rocker.

[alpine_saint]

The only things I would ask is that if NC is going to do it, he needs to do it NOW, not later, and that all of those of you that really sulk over this find it in yourselves to get behind the new manager next season - its not his fault.

[Junior Mullet]

We will go up with AP as our manager next season. For this reason the club must keep hold of him.

[NickG]

The only things I would ask is that if NC is going to do it, he needs to do it NOW, not later, and that all of those of you that really sulk over this find it in yourselves to get behind the new manager next season - its not his fault.

 

Real lol moment!

[chrisobee]

Real lol moment!

 

Cruel man

[Minsk]

Here we go over this old ground again..............

 

IMO, it would be a disaster if AP were to leave. A new manager would want to bring in his own players, his own backroom staff and to impose his own style on the team. He wouldn't want to be known as someone who acheived something (if he does) on the back of AP's signings. This means rebuilding everything AGAIN. This takes time and would (again, IMO) lead to us having a slow start to the season.

 

A clever person learns from past mistakes. An even cleverer person learns from other peoples mistakes. We, Saints, have made this mistake far too many times in the past.

 

I will also make a prediction that anyone who says they would not be too bothered if AP were replaced would be some of the first slating the new manager if we are not at or near the top of the table 10 games into the new season.

[trousers]

My view, for what it's worth, is that whilst it would be harsh for Cortese to dispense with Pardew it would not surprise me. As someone has already mentioned, we don't have anything to fear as fans either way. If Pardew stays I think he'll serve us well next season but if he doesn't I'm sure the next manager would ve equally as good if not better. No room for sentiment in this business they call football anymore.

[chrisobee]

How can anyone be sure that any new manager would be as good or better than Pardew? We don't know that in the event the DM are right ( there is always a first time) who if anyone NC would have in mind to replace him. I think it's fair to say most of us on here know more about football, certainly about Saints and English football than Cortese and I would seriously question any decision to axe Pardew.

[Puddings and Monkeys]

..... but I get the distinct impression he's got a bit too big for his boots in his relationship with Nicola Cortese......

 

Interested in how you reached this view - first hand knowledge, rumour, 2+2...??

[dune]

Real lol moment!

 

[dune]

Interested in how you reached this view - first hand knowledge, rumour, 2+2...??

 

Pardew's comments to the press having a dig at Mr Cortese. You try slagging off your boss at work and see how it affects your career prospects.

[Saint Fan CaM]

The only things I would ask is that if NC is going to do it, he needs to do it NOW, not later, and that all of those of you that really sulk over this find it in yourselves to get behind the new manager next season - its not his fault.

 

 

Are you for real Alpine?! The only thing you should be asking of NC is to maintain stability of the squad and club when we're on the brink of a period of sustained growth and success with one of the best managers in Britain. I recognise you may need this kind of 'excitement' to sustain your interest in the club given you cannot attend many games, but really...do you really believe this guff?!?

 

The story is I suspect a complete fabrication. Why would AP be interviewed on Radio Solent this morning talking about the clubs ambition to sign 3-4 new players in the summer if he was in anyway in danger of losing his job and/or having a poor relationship with NC? If it turns out to be true it will severely dent my belief in NC's intentions for the club.

[sticksaint]

I really hope this is not true.

[dronskisaint]

Agreed. NC must speak out now.

 

I disagree...to do so would dignify a bit of shabby journalism which draws from absolutely no new information. Treat it with the contempt it deserves!

[trousers]

How can anyone be sure that any new manager would be as good or better than Pardew?

 

Fair question. But the reverse of that question is also true if we look at this logically rather than emotively.

 

Using an extreme to illustrate a point...if Cortese replaced Pardew with Morinho (spelling?) there wouldn't be one person on here saying: "what a crap move". Ok, we're highly unlikely to attract someone from those eschellons but on the manergerial scale if competence there is every chance a replacement for Pardew would be as successful as Pardew has been/could be.

 

So, yes, I agree, it would be a risk but that's what business decisions are all about - measured risk taking

[Saint Fan CaM]

I disagree...to do so would dignify a bit of shabby journalism which draws from absolutely no new information. Treat it with the contempt it deserves!

 

 

110% agreed. If NC is as serious about pushing for the Prem as he makes out then we should be focussed on the club's progress, not answering a shoddy journalists story. When we sign 3-4 top new players in the summer, see the training ground improvements and refurbish the Stadium, then perhaps we might permit The Mail et al to comment on the great things happening at Saints.

[trousers]

 

 

Are you for real Alpine?! The only thing you should be asking of NC is to maintain stability of the squad and club when we're on the brink of a period of sustained growth and success with one of the best managers in Britain. I recognise you may need this kind of 'excitement' to sustain your interest in the club given you cannot attend many games, but really...do you really believe this guff?!?

 

The story is I suspect a complete fabrication. Why would AP be interviewed on Radio Solent this morning talking about the clubs ambition to sign 3-4 new players in the summer if he was in anyway in danger of losing his job and/or having a poor relationship with NC?

for every manager who saw his dismissal coming I will show you 10 who didn't...

[dune]

I'd quite like a high profile Italian manager. Not a young manager, but an older experienced Italian manager as is the style in Italy. I reckon this would be the perfect scenario for Nicola and the club.

[alpine_saint]

Real lol moment!

 

Why ?

 

I was behind AP this season and will be behind him next season. I have simply questioned some of the things he has done, expressed my frustration at some performances and results, and questioned how NC sees things.

 

My call to support next seasons manager is perfectly reasonable.

[Huntingdon]

Losing AP would be a disaster because we'd probably lose Lallana & Lambert too

 

Once football knows Cortese is trigger happy, every manager would be under pressure from day 1

 

The history books show that Chairman who act in this way invariably take football clubs backwards

[doddisalegend]

Hope this isn't true. What sort of message does it send out to possible replacements if we sack a manager that has won us our first silverware in 34 years, and took us to seventh despite admin and a -10 start. Some of these great replacements we could get (whoever they are?) might just not want to work for a chairman who'd sack a manager for that.

[chrisobee]

Losing AP would be a disaster because we'd probably lose Lallana & Lambert too

 

 

My thought as well and who else ? Fonte quite possibly, certainly don't need the uncertainty. But ah well at least we have something to talk about on a bright but boring back to work Tuesday !

[stevegrant]

Surprise surprise, the journalist responsible didn't put his name to the article...

[dubai_phil]

This should not be a surprise.

 

NC put AP under pressure quite deliberately earlier in the season. Many of us have praised AP for making sensible After Match and Pre Match statements/Interviews, but we all assume that they were only intended for the fans.

 

The team selection Saturday looked to me like a double edged sword - it allowed some to get match practice and their debuts, BUT it also showed that our Squad REALLY is still not good enough. (We've had pages of debate about the squad)

 

I would guess that this was again a useful way of "AP Proving a point" that there is still work to be done over the summer months.

 

There are two ways to run a business (and a football team), you can build a team that are not the greatest but who gel as a unit and work hard for each other to over-achieve, OR you can build a "1980's style" British Management structure with friction and Dog Eat Dog attitude where the internal aggression pushes people to over perform and work together based to an extent on "fear"

 

What NEVER works is the half and half medium of a cosy little number.

 

My guess is that NC is making sure that the pot is stirred and everyone knows that have to keep up to the mark.

 

My concern is whether he has enough experience in Football to make that work. Personally I think he SHOULD make sure that it works.

 

But I guess we will see in the coming weeks

[trousers]

Why do people think it's unreasonable for the chairman of a company to be reviewing his management team? He may well come to the conclusion that Pardew is the best man for the job but for him not to be considering all his options would be a dereliction of his duties.

 

Surely it's reasonable that Cortese is looking at his managerial options, if that is indeed the case?

[madruss]

Pretty shoddy journalism if you ask me. Writing a new story using the old story from earlier in the year and assuming nothing's changed. Since NC's comments were made we've pretty much been the best team in the league (form wise) and won the JPT. Something would have to go drastically wrong for this team to not be challenging for the title next year, and I don't believe for a second that NC would sack Pardew because the team didn't clock up the 90+ points required to make the playoffs.

[dune]

Surprise surprise, the journalist responsible didn't put his name to the article...

 

Could this be the work of Little Lord Fontelroy of Withington?

[Asaint4ever]

AP must stay! He is apart of our future coys

[trousers]

Surprise surprise, the journalist responsible didn't put his name to the article...

There is a name on the paper version

[Glasgow_Saint]

I just saw Mark Hughes at SMS

[eurosaint]

Stability !

Continuity !

Peace !

 

We need this more than ever !

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Are you for real Alpine?! The only thing you should be asking of NC is to maintain stability of the squad and club when we're on the brink of a period of sustained growth and success with one of the best managers in Britain. I recognise you may need this kind of 'excitement' to sustain your interest in the club given you cannot attend many games, but really...do you really believe this guff?!?

 

The story is I suspect a complete fabrication. Why would AP be interviewed on Radio Solent this morning talking about the clubs ambition to sign 3-4 new players in the summer if he was in anyway in danger of losing his job and/or having a poor relationship with NC? If it turns out to be true it will severely dent my belief in NC's intentions for the club.

 

If NC does do it, I can't for the life of me think why he'd do it other than to try even harder (from his perspective) to ensure promotion. IMO it wouldn't do anything but confirm his ambitions for the club.

 

By saying that I'm not necessarily saying that AP should go, but sometimes Saints do look a bit bereft of ideas about how to break the down the sides that string all the players bar one just in front of the eighteen yard line, and they have usually been the poorer sides. And when we struggle we often revert to lumping it up to Lambert, and I'm sure that NC has noted that.

 

Maybe he thinks that won't move up a level without a change in the quality of the coaching?

 

Mabe he thinks there is an assumption that we are virtually entitled to promotion next year, and to avoid complacency he needs to up the anti? I don't think compacency is going to be allowed to set in with NC in control.

Edited 4 May, 2010 by hughieslastminutegoal

[beatlesaint]

No quotes, just filler I expect.

 

I wouldn't expect NC to come out and deny it, he hasn't pandered to any press story so far......except for banning the Echo of course !

[paris]

I would like to think he stays imho...

[Cabrone]

I hope this isn't true - we need stability and I'm confident that AP will deliver promotion next season.

 

Although I have had some gripes about some of his team selections (far too timid at times) overall I think he's done a good job - certainly good enough to have another go next season.

[paris]

Yes and if we loose our first few matches the fan's (some) will be wanting to hang him at the bargate ...

 

I just saw Mark Hughes at SMS

[Turkish]

I'd quite like a high profile Italian manager. Not a young manager, but an older experienced Italian manager as is the style in Italy. I reckon this would be the perfect scenario for Nicola and the club.

 

Fabio Capello might be available after the world cup. Ancelotti might be out of job for not winning the champions league. How about Marcelo Lippi? Other than those three why on earth would you want an Italian manager who knows nothing about the English lower leagues over someone who has a record of promotion from lower leagues to the top flight?

[dune]

No quotes, just filler I expect.

 

I wouldn't expect NC to come out and deny it, he hasn't pandered to any press story so far......except for banning the Echo of course !

 

Are they still banned?

 

If so fair play NC, it's good to have a chairman that won't shirk a fight.

[dune]

Fabio Capello might be available after the world cup. Ancelotti might be out of job for not winning the champions league. How about Marcelo Lippi? Other than those three why on earth would you want an Italian manager who knows nothing about the English lower leagues over someone who has a record of promotion from lower leagues to the top flight?

 

I just do.

[beatlesaint]

Are they still banned?

 

If so fair play NC, it's good to have a chairman that won't shirk a fight.

 

No they are back now.......but splashing this story across their back page will not have helped them with any exclusives i wouldn't have thought.

 

The Daily Mail have had it in for us for a long time now. Any chance to stir and there they are !

[sandwichsaint]

Les Read = Curbishley?

[LostBoys]

I thought this was serious until I saw it was the Mail and now picked up by the Echo.

[beatlesaint]

Les Read = Curbishley?

 

Les Reed = Pardew's No. 2 at Charlton.