Big Society, the clues in the Initals. BS.

[Saintandy666]

http://www.daily-news.org.uk/video

 

Everyone should watch this to see the dire the consequences of Cameron's Big Society. Yes, it is over exaggerated, but the point remains, inexperience and not enough time given to groups where experience and dedication are key.

 

Also, if anyone saw it today... Gordon Browns speech at Citizens UK conference was stunning, such passion I have not seen from him yet, one of his best speeches to date. If you haven't seen it, you should watch it, he walked all over Cameron's speech.

[dune]

The Big Society is a real vote winner IMO.

Edited 3 May, 2010 by dune

[Thedelldays]

brown and stunning in the same senatnce

LOL

 

get with the programme, they are all full of it.

[OldNick]

Brown and passion, sounds plausible....lol. He is best at bullying his staff when he has had a debate with a 65 year old woman

[dune]

brown and stunning in the same senatnce

LOL.

 

I think you're being unfair. I want the Torys to win but you can deny that Gordon has a certain electrifying presence about him.

[Saintandy666]

brown and stunning in the same senatnce

LOL

 

get with the programme, they are all full of it.

 

So's the Big Society, come on... people are ****ing lazy and those that aren't have jobs already to do without running the schools and the hospitals. You'll just get the same guy who already runs the local Parish council running the Public Sector. It'll decrease fairness and increase the amount of power in the hands of the few. Same old Tories, same old ****.

[Joesaint]

Brown good!!!!!

 

 

Is this a joke

[dune]

So's the Big Society, come on... people are ****ing lazy and those that aren't have jobs already to do without running the schools and the hospitals. You'll just get the same guy who already runs the local Parish council running the Public Sector. It'll decrease fairness and increase the amount of power in the hands of the few. Same old Tories, same old ****.

 

I don't think you fully understand the Big Society.

[Saintandy666]

I don't think you fully understand the Big Society.

 

I fully understand the Big Society, people will not play their part, mark my words, it will fail. Most people have no interest in helping others or helping run stuff. Most people have no interest in charity, and those that do are just cheque participants and for the Big Society to work, everyone or at least the majority need to take some sort of action. Come on now, 39% of people couldn't even be bothered to vote at the last election, let alone help run the local hospital.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

http://www.daily-news.org.uk/video

 

Everyone should watch this to see the dire the consequences of Cameron's Big Society. Yes, it is over exaggerated, but the point remains, inexperience and not enough time given to groups where experience and dedication are key.

 

Also, if anyone saw it today... Gordon Browns speech at Citizens UK conference was stunning, such passion I have not seen from him yet, one of his best speeches to date. If you haven't seen it, you should watch it, he walked all over Cameron's speech.

 

and Brown's alternative......the State. Interfering, self righteous, paranoid, controlling, stasi like, politically correct, unfair, idle, ineffective, bloated, wasteful, unmotivated and bloody expensive. Lets look for an alternative.

[Thedelldays]

I fully understand the Big Society, people will not play their part, mark my words, it will fail. Most people have no interest in helping others or helping run stuff. Most people have no interest in charity, and those that do are just cheque participants and for the Big Society to work, everyone or at least the majority need to take some sort of action. Come on now, 39% of people couldn't even be bothered to vote at the last election, let alone help run the local hospital.

 

who is most people..I think the UK is pretty darn good at helping others...

[Saintandy666]

who is most people..I think the UK is pretty darn good at helping others...

 

Most people don't give a **** and won't contribute. End of.

[Thedelldays]

Most people don't give a **** and won't contribute. End of.

well, considering people do help others and the UK is very good at it...I think your hissy fit is a tad OTT

[dune]

I fully understand the Big Society, people will not play their part, mark my words, it will fail. Most people have no interest in helping others or helping run stuff. Most people have no interest in charity, and those that do are just cheque participants and for the Big Society to work, everyone or at least the majority need to take some sort of action. Come on now, 39% of people couldn't even be bothered to vote at the last election, let alone help run the local hospital.

 

I think you understimate British people. When talking to friends and colleagues the most talked about topic is the economy, then immigration, then the Big Society. This policy above all others has awoken the civic spirit the length and breadth of the country.

[View From The Top]

One thing is clear so far in this election campaign and that is that the main two parties are held in absolute disdain by the vast majority of the population.

 

Brown is disliked more than seems possible and yet Cameron and the tories are looking at a hung parliament.

 

People don't believe Labour nor Conservative.

[View From The Top]

I think you understimate British people. When talking to friends and colleagues the most talked about topic is the economy, then immigration, then the Big Society. This policy above all others has awoken the civic spirit the length and breadth of the country.

 

Economy, immigration, Afghanistan. The BS hasn't even registered on the most savvy of my faculty.

[Thedelldays]

One thing is clear so far in this election campaign and that is that the main two parties are held in absolute disdain by the vast majority of the population.

 

Brown is disliked more than seems possible and yet Cameron and the tories are looking at a hung parliament.

 

People don't believe Labour nor Conservative.

 

hmmm I guess we will know one way or another in a few days

 

on the BBC this morning they were talking for the first time of a conservative win..

 

one thing they did say, a hung parliament will be bad and we ill be voting again by the end of the year...they even predicted that the parties probably wont even agree on the queens speech

 

also, (did not know this)..if it is a hung parliament, brown is first invited to form a cabinet of some sorts and STAY as PM

[Saintandy666]

I think you understimate British people. When talking to friends and colleagues the most talked about topic is the economy, then immigration, then the Big Society. This policy above all others has awoken the civic spirit the length and breadth of the country.

 

Oh yes, I'm sure many people say they will partake in it, but when the **** hits the fan, it just ain't gonna happen. Most people will not wish to move their fat arses if it doesn't benefit them in some way. How many people do you think vote on what is best for society rather than themselves?

 

Anyway, this is one of the reasons if I could vote(because I'm not old enough ) I would vote Liberal Democrat as they offer a true route to a fairer system.

[dune]

Economy, immigration, Afghanistan. The BS hasn't even registered on the most savvy of my faculty.

 

Well it's very big in nazi circles, we are planning to plant some dafodils on the mini roundabout. You really need to get with it and show some community spirit.

[Thedelldays]

Oh yes, I'm sure many people say they will partake in it, but when the **** hits the fan, it just ain't gonna happen. Most people will not wish to move their fat arses if it doesn't benefit them in some way. How many people do you think vote on what is best for society rather than themselves?

 

Anyway, this is one of the reasons if I could vote(because I'm not old enough ) I would vote Liberal Democrat as they offer a true route to a fairer system.

it does happen daily.

we have shed loads of charitable organisations

 

like it or not, the UK is very good at helping others..

[Joesaint]

Brown has to go end of, Nick Clegg has had a few gaffs and one big lie on the debate regarding the euro!!!

[Saintandy666]

it does happen daily.

we have shed loads of charitable organisations

 

like it or not, the UK is very good at helping others..

 

Yes, and the charities are made up of the minority of people. For the BS to work, the majority must partake. It isn't going to happen.

[View From The Top]

hmmm I guess we will know one way or another in a few days

 

on the BBC this morning they were talking for the first time of a conservative win..

 

one thing they did say, a hung parliament will be bad and we ill be voting again by the end of the year...they even predicted that the parties probably wont even agree on the queens speech

 

also, (did not know this)..if it is a hung parliament, brown is first invited to form a cabinet of some sorts and STAY as PM

 

With a government as unpopular as this one I had expected Ordinary Dave to storm away with it.

 

The fact that he hasn't says its own story about the populations views of the tories.

 

They'll win the election but have a genuine large mandate? Don't think so.

 

The sitting government always get 1st crack at forming a new one BTW.

[dune]

Yes, and the charities are made up of the minority of people. For the BS to work, the majority must partake. It isn't going to happen.

 

You can come and plant some bulbs with me if you want, then you will be part of the Big Society.

[Saintandy666]

In a way this election has many parallels to John Majors on 1992. Government had been in for 13 years, John Major had never been elected and had taken over from Thatcher two years ago. The UK was in a recession that they largely blamed on the Tories. The polls indicated a Labour win(though of course this time they don't but for the tories) There's lots of similarities, the big difference is the Liberals and they are strong now. They polled 22.4% at the last election, we shall have to see how that factor plays in. In my opinion, it is very possible that the public may decide 'better the devil you know'. One thing is sure though, while Brown isn't popular, neither is Cameron. I'm hoping for some sort of Lib/Lab coalition.

[View From The Top]

Brown has to go end of, Nick Clegg has had a few gaffs and one big lie on the debate regarding the euro!!!

 

What would that be then considering it's not be raised before on here.

 

What have you discerned that others have missed?

[Saintandy666]

You can come and plant some bulbs with me if you want, then you will be part of the Big Society.

 

F*ck that sh*t! See... it just isn't going to work

[Thedelldays]

With a government as unpopular as this one I had expected Ordinary Dave to storm away with it.

 

The fact that he hasn't says its own story about the populations views of the tories.

 

They'll win the election but have a genuine large mandate? Don't think so.

 

The sitting government always get 1st crack at forming a new one BTW.

 

yep, they were looking into why dave has not run away with it..

 

the general feeling was that he/tories should be doing a bit better

but the expenses issue has left a very nasty taste in the mouths of the public and that it is harder to break past that as the opposition..ie, trying to offer something different even though some of your own lot have been caught out..as well as others..

 

but no doubt, the tories should be doing better..

 

but then again, labour were certain to win the 1992 election up to 2 days before hand..which shows that the polls may not be that accurate

[dune]

In a way this election has many parallels to John Majors on 1992. Government had been in for 13 years, John Major had never been elected and had taken over from Thatcher two years ago. The UK was in a recession that they largely blamed on the Tories. The polls indicated a Labour win(though of course this time they don't but for the tories) There's lots of similarities, the big difference is the Liberals and they are strong now. They polled 22.4% at the last election, we shall have to see how that factor plays in. In my opinion, it is very possible that the public may decide 'better the devil you know'. One thing is sure though, while Brown isn't popular, neither is Cameron. I'm hoping for some sort of Lib/Lab coalition.

 

The big difference is that John Major was a likeable guy and Gordon Brown isn't.

[Thedelldays]

What would that be then considering it's not be raised before on here.

 

What have you discerned that others have missed?

again, they were talking about this earlier....the Euro was pretty central to their campaign not that long ago..and last year, they really wanted in

(so says the libdems on the tellybox earlier)

[Saintandy666]

The big difference is that John Major was a likeable guy and Gordon Brown isn't.

 

Maybe, but the parallels are there, all I'm saying is there could be an unexpected result. Either way, the BS is still... BS and won't work. I'm going back to my History now, the Korean war is so much fun.

[dune]

F*ck that sh*t! See... it just isn't going to work

 

Would you prefer tulips?

[View From The Top]

again, they were talking about this earlier....the Euro was pretty central to their campaign not that long ago..and last year, they really wanted in

(so says the libdems on the tellybox earlier)

 

But, IIRC, they've always said that they would want us to go into the Euro but ultimately it would have to be decided by a referendum.

 

I don't think anything has really changed on that front.

[Joesaint]

What would that be then considering it's not be raised before on here.

 

What have you discerned that others have missed?

 

There manifesto clearly states they want to join the euro, when DC said this NC denies and said no plans to join the euro because he knows the public don’t want it.

 

My last post, it has been in the papers though but with all the Clegg hype the BBC are not so much treating him as a politician but a celebrity, which is wrong. The only balanced news I watch is channel 4 (who also picked up on it as well as well as scrutinising all 3 MP's on the debate).

 

This is not the b**dy X factor, although I do want the future PM to have charisma which I feel both Clegg and Cameron have, but any neutral will have to agree that Brown does not inspire!

[aintforever]

In a way this election has many parallels to John Majors on 1992. Government had been in for 13 years, John Major had never been elected and had taken over from Thatcher two years ago. The UK was in a recession that they largely blamed on the Tories. The polls indicated a Labour win(though of course this time they don't but for the tories) There's lots of similarities, the big difference is the Liberals and they are strong now. They polled 22.4% at the last election, we shall have to see how that factor plays in. In my opinion, it is very possible that the public may decide 'better the devil you know'. One thing is sure though, while Brown isn't popular, neither is Cameron. I'm hoping for some sort of Lib/Lab coalition.

 

The polls were completely wrong in 1992 and they are just as meaningless now.

 

It will be interesting to see how it pans out, was major's victory because voters tended to side with "the devil they know" or because the Tories have quite good support when they get their act together?

 

I think a rise in the Lib Dem vote will only come at the expense of Labour and I can see the Tories winning seats all over the place even without hugely increasing their own vote.

[View From The Top]

The polls were completely wrong in 1992 and they are just as meaningless now.

 

They are way, way more scientific now. They got a spanking in 1992 and re-modelled everything.

[Saintandy666]

The polls were completely wrong in 1992 and they are just as meaningless now.

 

It will be interesting to see how it pans out, was major's victory because voters tended to side with "the devil they know" or because the Tories have quite good support when they get their act together?

 

I think a rise in the Lib Dem vote will only come at the expense of Labour and I can see the Tories winning seats all over the place even without hugely increasing their own vote.

 

How polls are conducted has changed a lot since 1992, it's all explained on http://ukpollingreport.co.uk in the faq section. Basically, they are a lot more accurate.

 

Oh, and people who say Gordon Brown can't be passionate, I seriously suggest going and watching that speech to the Citizens UK conference if you can.

[Thedelldays]

The polls were completely wrong in 1992 and they are just as meaningless now.

 

It will be interesting to see how it pans out, was major's victory because voters tended to side with "the devil they know" or because the Tories have quite good support when they get their act together?

 

I think a rise in the Lib Dem vote will only come at the expense of Labour and I can see the Tories winning seats all over the place even without hugely increasing their own vote.

 

How polls are conducted has changed a lot since 1992, it's all explained on http://ukpollingreport.co.uk in the faq section. Basically, they are a lot more accurate.

 

Oh, and people who say Gordon Brown can't be passionate, I seriously suggest going and watching that speech to the Citizens UK conference if you can.

 

no offense, have seen god knows how many speeches from brown...one now is a bit late and pointless

 

he is finished..

[dune]

The polls were completely wrong in 1992 and they are just as meaningless now.

 

It will be interesting to see how it pans out, was major's victory because voters tended to side with "the devil they know" or because the Tories have quite good support when they get their act together?

 

I think a rise in the Lib Dem vote will only come at the expense of Labour and I can see the Tories winning seats all over the place even without hugely increasing their own vote.

 

The Tories are still a party that people don't like to admit to voting for but once in the polling booth more people [than the polls are suggesting] will vote Tory and less will vote Liberal.

 

The reality of the situation is that if you want a new government starting work on the 7th May only a vote for the Conservatives will deliver it. This fact will ensure that the Conservatives form a majority government on 7th May.

[revolution saint]

Big Society much like 'Back to basics' and 'The third way' is a politicians way of saying "frankly we don't have a clue". It's doomed to failure and even if the Tories get in I'm betting we don't hear much about big society in a years time. Personally I think it's a slogan dreamt up by a PR company designed to deliver a positive message. I'm always wary when a politician talks about what they can't do - they should concentrate on what they can do. It indicates, to me at least, a paucity of ideas when it comes to policy.

[Saintandy666]

no offense, have seen god knows how many speeches from brown...one now is a bit late and pointless

 

he is finished..

 

He most likely is, but it is a shame really. I think in 20 years time, people will reflect on him much nicer than they do now, they will see how his actions saved our arses during the recession and how the Tories cowardly said nothing. Just you wait and see.

[Thedelldays]

He most likely is, but it is a shame really. I think in 20 years time, people will reflect on him much nicer than they do now, they will see how his actions saved our arses during the recession and how the Tories cowardly said nothing. Just you wait and see.

hmmm

 

if people have memories like they do with maggie, then no chance what so ever

[aintforever]

How polls are conducted has changed a lot since 1992, it's all explained on http://ukpollingreport.co.uk in the faq section. Basically, they are a lot more accurate.

 

Oh, and people who say Gordon Brown can't be passionate, I seriously suggest going and watching that speech to the Citizens UK conference if you can.

 

They can claim to be more accurate but no matter how complex their system it all boils down to wether the person votes for who they say they will, or more importantly, will the person who says they prefer Tory/Labour/Lib Dem, actually get off their ass and walk down the polling station.

 

When it comes to the day it will probably be a simple choice between voting for a hung parliament or a Conservative government. That could mean many people vote differently to who they polled as favouring.

 

The proof is in the pudding, if the Tories win on Thursday then we will know the polls are completely pointless.

[Johnny Bognor]

.....or more importantly, will the person who says they prefer Tory/Labour/Lib Dem, actually get off their ass and walk down the polling station.

 

That is an important point. It is one thing being asked who you would vote for and another actually going to vote.

 

 

It is possible that the weather on election day could determine the outcome. Torrential rain would result in a lower turnout and bright sunshine would have result in a higher turnout.

Edited 3 May, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[dune]

That is an important point. It is one thing being asked who you would vote for and another actually going to vote.

 

 

It is possible that the weather on election day could determine the outcome. Torrential rain would result in a lower turnout and bright sunshine would have result in a higher turnout.

 

And then you can break it down further and suggest that conservative supporters are more likely to brave the elements, whilts labours supporters are more likely to stay in and watch Jeremy Kyle. Looking at the forecast it gives showers from Birmingham northwards which is good news because it's in the north where labour has is all to lose.

[Saintandy666]

At present, thursday looks rainy.

[Saintandy666]

I'm glad Gordon Brown just got recognition of how good his speech was on BBC news.

 

Oh, and the Guardian...

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/03/gordon-brown-citizensuk-leadership-debate

 

For those who mocked my judgement!

Edited 3 May, 2010 by Saintandy666

[Johnny Bognor]

Was that the speech where the girl asked why her mother and grandmother who work in a whitehall department (which used to be run by gordon) don't even earn a living wage after 13 years of Labour government?

[Saintandy666]

Was that the speech where the girl asked why her mother and grandmother who work in a whitehall department (which used to be run by gordon) don't even earn a living wage after 13 years of Labour government?

 

And what a great speech he gave in response. And shush, under the tories, we wouldn't even have a minimum wage, let alone a living wage.

[View From The Top]

The proof is in the pudding, if the Tories win on Thursday then we will know the polls are completely pointless.

 

The tories will win, that's what the polls are saying.