3rd Televised debate

[Ludwig]

Clegg first place for me!!

 

Him and Brown have done well, I feel. I know most of you fascists won't like his policies on immigration, but it's the only implementable policy of the three and they're the only party (of the main three) whose immigration policy isn't an empty promise.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Clegg first place for me!!

 

Really?!?! I'm a leftie, but I don't see how you've come to that conclusion...

[doubleonothing]

The failure to cope with the housing market crash was a result of our economy's dependence upon the 'square mile'. What caused this? The removal of the UK's manufacturing base. What caused this? Privatisation. Who caused this? The Conservatives under Thatcher and Major.

 

Labour iherited a strong economy from the conservatives. They were happy to oversee the good times and spend while it was good. They failed to save for when the bubble burst and when it did they had nothing. Gordon oversaw this. He failures to take measures before hand and look where it got him.

 

And as I said last week look at how he sold off the gold reserves at one of the lowest ever prices!!

[dune]

Labour iherited a strong economy from the conservatives. They were happy to oversee the good times and spend while it was good. They failed to save for when the bubble burst and when it did they had nothing. Gordon oversaw this. He failures to take measures before hand and look where it got him.

 

And as I said last week look at how he sold off the gold reserves at one of the lowest ever prices!!

 

Spot on. He stands there talking like he's done a good job with the economy.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Labour iherited a strong economy from the conservatives.

 

Did you get that from this website?

 

http://myths.e2bn.org/

 

[Ludwig]

Labour iherited a strong economy from the conservatives. They were happy to oversee the good times and spend while it was good. They failed to save for when the bubble burst and when it did they had nothing. Gordon oversaw this. He failures to take measures before hand and look where it got him.

 

An analogy: You have purchased a house, it is working well. It has damp, the previous owners didn't tell you. It smells a bit, but the house is fine. You neglect this and ultimately the damp severely affects the property. Who is to blame? Yourself partially, but the previous owners should take at least as much blame also. The removal of the manufacturing base under the Tories removed the strong foundations which we could have fallen back upon with the housing market crash, as other countries less affected (such as Germany) did.

 

I'm not saying Brown is faultless, but the Tories ought not be able to point and laugh at Brown and claim it is all his fault, because clearly, it's not.

[dune]

Well said Cameron - take the benefits off the bone idle dole wallors.

[Thedelldays]

An analogy: You have purchased a house, it is working well. It has damp, the previous owners didn't tell you. It smells a bit, but the house is fine. You neglect this and ultimately the damp severely affects the property. Who is to blame? Yourself partially, but the previous owners should take at least as much blame also. The removal of the manufacturing base under the Tories removed the strong foundations which we could have fallen back upon with the housing market crash, as other countries less affected (such as Germany) did.

 

I'm not saying Brown is faultless, but the Tories ought not be able to point and laugh at Brown and claim it is all his fault, because clearly, it's not.

sorry..but this is not a house..it is 2010 after 13 years of labour.

 

in one way or another, we only have one week left

[Ludwig]

Also part of what compounded a solid economy under Labour was the independence of the Bank of England: Gordon Brown's first major act as chancellor of the exchequer. He DID basically remove the boom/bust cycle, but neglected to 'save', which does go against him.

[doubleonothing]

Did you get that from this website?

 

http://myths.e2bn.org/

 

 

Not at all. But look at how it was when they got in and you'll see it was better off than it is now. Look at the farce that was the dome! And perhaps someone can explain how mandleson is still around and a lord?

[Ludwig]

sorry..but this is not a house..it is 2010 after 13 years of labour.

 

in one way or another, we only have one week left

 

Sorry, but do you know what an analogy is?

[dune]

I'm not saying Brown is faultless, but the Tories ought not be able to point and laugh at Brown and claim it is all his fault, because clearly, it's not.

 

We had a decade of growth thanks to Ken Clarke and Gordon Clown not only spent the lot, he borrowed even more because he really believed his own hype that a recesion would never happen again.

[Thedelldays]

Sorry, but do you know what an analogy is?

yes..but you can use a house, a used car and make any point you like

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The ONLY tory policy I agree with: Taking away job seekers allowance if they refuse a job offer. The welfare stae was created as a safety net, not a lifestyle.

[hypochondriac]

Something close to my heart. In fairness Brown comes across very well when talking about childcare.

[Ludwig]

We had a decade of growth thanks to Ken Clarke and Gordon Clown not only spent the lot, he borrowed even more because he really believed his own hype that a recesion would never happen again.

 

It wouldn't have happened, were there not an exogenous shock, something he had no control over. The buffer which could've protected us (a manufacturing base), was previously removed by the Tories.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Bang!! Here we go, education...

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Come on dune et al, you surely have to agree, children are better off under a Labour government...

 

Bloody excellent from Brown on social mobility. Slimey Cameron trying to 'suck up' to teachers...

[dune]

Come on dune et al, you surely have to agree, children are better off under a Labour government...

 

Why? Schools were perfectly alright in my day and the exams are easier now than they've ever been.

[Johnny Bognor]

It wouldn't have happened, were there not an exogenous shock, something he had no control over. The buffer which could've protected us (a manufacturing base), was previously removed by the Tories.

 

Manufacturing as a share of GDP fell more before 1979 and fell more after 1997. Still, go on believing the hype.....

[hypochondriac]

Come on dune et al, you surely have to agree, children are better off under a Labour government...

 

They are. The sure start scheme was a very good idea. Up until 2 weeks ago the Tories did not have a policy for early years. Having said that I'm still voting Tories. Nursery education will still do well under a Conservative budget and perhaps even better (they allow nursery practitioners to charge top up fees ).

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Why? Schools were perfectly alright in my day and the exams are easier now than they've ever been.

 

You are ****ing clueless! I won't dignify that with a response.

 

Actually, no, **** it, I'll bite. Your resources when you were at school dune would have been absolute ****e. Poor teachers, sub-standard equipment and minimal budgets. Exams are NOT getting easier, TEACHING is getting better!!

 

What about nurseries, sure start, child tax credits?

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[hypochondriac]

Why? Schools were perfectly alright in my day and the exams are easier now than they've ever been.

 

I'm voting Tory but the Labour early years scheme has been really good. Too much red tape but other than that it has worked well.

[Ludwig]

Why? Schools were perfectly alright in my day and the exams are easier now than they've ever been.

 

Do you sit the exams every year, then?

[doubleonothing]

We had a decade of growth thanks to Ken Clarke and Gordon Clown not only spent the lot, he borrowed even more because he really believed his own hype that a recesion would never happen again.

 

Nail + head + hit

[dune]

You are ****ing clueless! I won't dignify that with a response.

 

Of course you won't because i'm right. Exam results getting better year on year isn't because children are brighter or teachers are better - it's because the exams are easier.

[hypochondriac]

Of course you won't because i'm right. Exam results getting better year on year isn't because children are brighter or teachers are better - it's because the exams are easier.

 

Take it from me. Early years policy is better under Labour than it was under the Tories.

[Ludwig]

Manufacturing as a share of GDP fell more before 1979 and fell more after 1997. Still, go on believing the hype.....

 

Link? Would genuinely be interested to see these stats.

[Ludwig]

The family is so important to Cameron, so important that he plans to cut child tax credits. Oh dear.

[dune]

Actually, no, **** it, I'll bite. Your resources when you were at school dune would have been absolute ****e. Poor teachers, sub-standard equipment and minimal budgets. Exams are NOT getting easier, TEACHING is getting better!!

 

What a load of rubbish.

[View From The Top]

Of course you won't because i'm right.

 

Far right neo Nazi yes. Right about education no.

[hypochondriac]

The family is so important to Cameron, so important that he plans to cut child tax credits. Oh dear.

 

If you read the manifesto, his early years policy isn't bad. It's just it took them too long to actually decide on one!

[View From The Top]

What a load of rubbish.

 

Care to espouse your knowledge of the educational system?

 

No? Haven't got any experience of it apart from some GCSEs in woodwork? Thought not.

[Millbrook Saint]

The family is so important to Cameron, so important that he plans to cut child tax credits. Oh dear.

 

I thought he said for people earning £50k or more, no problem with that, what about you?

[Ludwig]

I thought he said for people earning £50k or more, no problem with that, what about you?

 

Child tax credits, for anyone, ought to take greater priority than inheritance tax cuts for the 3000 richest.

[View From The Top]

Take it from me. Early years policy is better under Labour than it was under the Tories.

 

It's one thing they've got right 100%.

 

Mainly because they listened to the experts of all political colours and took the politics out of it.

[dune]

Care to espouse your knowledge of the educational system?

 

No? Haven't got any experience of it apart from some GCSEs in woodwork? Thought not.

 

Exam results improve every year. It's ridiculous to say that's because children are being taught better every year, year on year.

[thesaint sfc]

Gordon looks a bit like a monkey tonight, poor gordon. Cameron is the ugliest and cleggy is the best looking.

 

Yeah. I'd do Clegg. He gets my vote.

[Thedelldays]

Child tax credits, for anyone, ought to take greater priority than inheritance tax cuts for the 3000 richest.

actually no...not everyone should get tax credits...why on earth should they

[hypochondriac]

It's one thing they've got right 100%.

 

Mainly because they listened to the experts of all political colours and took the politics out of it.

 

Agree with that. If only that were true with other issues!

[dune]

Clown: "I do know how to run the economy in good times and in bad"

 

[ST Randy]

Of course you won't because i'm right. Exam results getting better year on year isn't because children are brighter or teachers are better - it's because the exams are easier.

 

If exams are so easy now days why dont you sit some a levels this year then? I'm sure 6 weeks would be enough time for you to learn the course.

[benjii]

Cameron's strongest performance yet IMO.

 

Not sure why everyone thought Clegg was far behind this time - he performed well again IMO.

 

Brown came across as a complete weirdo.

[Thedelldays]

well, that was that...

 

cameron was probably the best tonight, with gordy 2nd and clegg a distant 3rd..

[Millbrook Saint]

Child tax credits, for anyone, ought to take greater priority than inheritance tax cuts for the 3000 richest.

 

You never answered my question, do you think people earning £50k a year need family tax credits.

 

By the way I have 3 children, my partner and I both work full time and earn less than £35k a year between us, we don't claim tax credits and we get by ok, I'm sure if we can do it on £35k someone on £50k can manage.

[thesaint sfc]

well, that was that...

 

cameron was probably the best tonight, with gordy 2nd and clegg a distant 3rd..

 

Disagree quite strongly. I felt Cameron and Brown just made diggs at each other all night like a personal vendetta. Understandably Clegg struggled to get involved in the debate.

 

I'd rather have George Bush running this country than Gordon Brown though, so whatever trevor.

[ST Randy]

Exam results improve every year. It's ridiculous to say that's because children are being taught better every year, year on year.

 

So all the money spent on the education system was spent on making exams easier?

[Ludwig]

You never answered my question, do you think people earning £50k a year need family tax credits.

 

By the way I have 3 children, my partner and I both work full time and earn less than £35k a year between us, we don't claim tax credits and we get by ok, I'm sure if we can do it on £35k someone on £50k can manage.

 

Need? No. Should they be entitled? Yes.

[hypochondriac]

Clown: "I do know how to run the economy in good times and in bad"

 

 

Why does everything have to be black and white for you? Why can't you accept when Brown does some good stuff and when Cameron is an idiot?

[benjii]

The family is so important to Cameron, so important that he plans to cut child tax credits. Oh dear.

 

For people who don't need them. Quite right too.