Brown calls Labour voter a "bigot"

[sperm_john]

is this going to become the UK election equivalent of 'joe the plumber'?

[IamLeGod]

FAIL!!

[OldNick]

Yes, she reportedly said she would vote for him. Then she heard about his calling her a bigot. At that point she said she wouldn't vote for anyone.

 

Yes, I'm dismayed and disappointed. And yes, I think he was probably voicing an opinion in private. In the same way as many other politicians (and others) do. Sometimes some of them get caught out.

 

It doesn't matter whether the event was stage-managed (it wasn't this time) or not. He didn't say it in public - he said it in private.

 

Hypocritical? That means saying one thing and meaning another. He didn't say to her 'I don't think you're a bigot'. He said privately that he thought she was.

 

None of us here are hypocrites though, are we

Hold on BTF, you are defending him, he says something in public but then something else in private. This is a man who YOU put your trust in, and come on here defending. He has made himself and his supporters look clowns.

How would you feel if you were that Labour supporting lady? She had faith in him, and when he moved into his car he then says something that was totally IMO out of order.

Lambasting his aides for them daring to put someone in front of him who might make things difficult.

You carry supporting the oaf, shameful the way he does things and the reports of his bullying of staff ring true after his manner on this occasion.

[OldNick]

Of course, the predictablity of all this is that we'll get non-Labour people saying this is a major gaffe, we'll get labour people saying it's a minor lapse but the simple bottom line is it will cost him votes. That's what happens in politics.

The winner in this is Clegg IMO. Those Northern inner city seat voters will not turn to Cameron but Clegg.

[trousers]

Defending the undefendable? Have I stumbled across a Pompey forum....?;-)

[SO16_Saint]

Hold on BTF, you are defending him, he says something in public but then something else in private. This is a man who YOU put your trust in, and come on here defending. He has made himself and his supporters look clowns.

How would you feel if you were that Labour supporting lady? She had faith in him, and when he moved into his car he then says something that was totally IMO out of order.

Lambasting his aides for them daring to put someone in front of him who might make things difficult.

You carry supporting the oaf, shameful the way he does things and the reports of his bullying of staff ring true after his manner on this occasion.

 

Thats hardly fair, is it.

 

So are you saying that you've never said something to someone and then when they're gone said the complete opposite?

 

to nan - oh wow, that's a great jumper, thanks!

to mum - what the feck is this shyt?

 

Just because he's PM doesn't mean he is infalable (sp). He is, and has, made mistakes along with millions of others and Cameron and Clegg will have done the same thing themselves....just not been stupid enough to get caught.

[SO16_Saint]

Defending the undefendable? Have I stumbled across a Pompey forum....?;-)

 

 

whats so f***ing undefendable about this?

 

He's hardly murdered a small child, has he?

[trousers]

 

 

whats so f***ing undefendable about this?

 

 

Best ask Brown why he's "profusely" apologising about something that is defendable I guess....

[dune]

The winner in this is Clegg IMO. Those Northern inner city seat voters will not turn to Cameron but Clegg.

 

Agree 100%, but with the Labour vote splitting it'll let the Tories in in the 8-10% swing Labour/Tory marginals.

 

What a brilliant day today is turning out to be.

[trousers]

 

Thats hardly fair, is it.

 

So are you saying that you've never said something to someone and then when they're gone said the complete opposite?

 

to nan - oh wow, that's a great jumper, thanks!

to mum - what the feck is this shyt?

 

Just because he's PM doesn't mean he is infalable (sp). He is, and has, made mistakes along with millions of others and Cameron and Clegg will have done the same thing themselves....just not been stupid enough to get caught.

How do you know the others have said similar things but not been caught?

 

At least we can agree on one thing that this quite entertaining

[SO16_Saint]

Best ask Brown why he's "profusely" apologising about something that is defendable I guess....

 

But that's whats so wrong here.

 

He expressed his personal opinion IN PRIVATE whilst still being recorded by the press.

 

As i've said before, what he said was not wrong, it's the fact that he got caught.

 

Everyone with their holier than thou comments on here is madness.

[SO16_Saint]

How do you know the others have said similar things but not been caught?

 

At least we can agree on one thing that this quite entertaining

 

i cant, but am 99.99% sure they've said the same or similar and not got caught - it's human nature.

[Johnny Bognor]

 

*JB would like to on a anti-quango manifesto which I'd vote for but don't tell him that.

 

Great, I've got Dune (the extreme right), Fuengirola (the extreme left), and VFTT (the slightly left of centre).

 

All I need is the female vote. BTF, do you want to join my new progressive party?

 

If I can convince those 4, then there is a real future and we can once again call Britain Great.

 

 

Here is a summary of my policies so far:

1. I would ditch the tory inheritance tax proposals

2. Rather than just taxing the super rich, I would off them a choice - invest in British industry / businesses or get taxed thus stimulating the economy

3. In cutting the defecit, I would look at the extra 500,000 people employed in the quangos before even thinking about front line services. Thanks to VFTT, I would look at the non-jobs in the Public Sector.

4. I would reduce employers NI in order to stimulate economic growth.

 

When I get time, perhaps before the next election (not this one), I will draft a proper SWF manifesto.

Edited 28 April, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[View From The Top]

Agree 100%, but with the Labour vote splitting it'll let the Tories in in the 8-10% swing Labour/Tory marginals.

 

What a brilliant day today is turning out to be.

 

In your make believe world maybe.

[dune]

Tony Blair would never have made a gaffe like this because blair wasn't a control freak and bully and a generally horrible creature like Brown.

 

Mandelson has been trying to shiled brown from the public up until now for the very reason that he's such a liability. Thank goodness he's shown his true colours before polling day.

[trousers]

 

But that's whats so wrong here.

 

He expressed his personal opinion IN PRIVATE whilst still being recorded by the press.

 

As i've said before, what he said was not wrong, it's the fact that he got caught.

 

Everyone with their holier than thou comments on here is madness.

So, you'd be defending cameron with the same vigour in the same circumstances?

[bridge too far]

No Nick I'm not defending him. I already said it was disappointing and that I was dismayed or did your selective myopia come into play?

 

I was just saying that he didn't tell her to her face that she wasn't a bigot (and then go on to say she was). That, my friend is what hypocrisy is.

 

And it's downright silly to compare her to me because, whilst I might well have challenged him about some things (Iraq war for example) I wouldn't have asked a question about Eastern Europe immigration because it's not a topic that bothers me. I wouldn't have given him reason to call me bigoted.

 

I did notice that, every time he tried to answer her questions, she cut him short and asked another question on a different topic. That must have been quite frustrating for him.

 

A bit like Cameron, in the end, walking away from the father who challenged him about mainstream education for disabled children yesterday.

 

Perhaps Cameron said something derogatory 'in private' about that?

[dune]

In your make believe world maybe.

 

It's a fact that is seats such as Southampton any swing towards the Lid dems will help the Tories.

 

That's why they are being targetted and why Cameron visited.

[OldNick]

But that's whats so wrong here.

 

He expressed his personal opinion IN PRIVATE whilst still being recorded by the press.

 

As i've said before, what he said was not wrong, it's the fact that he got caught.

 

Everyone with their holier than thou comments on here is madness.

To me it is not what he said so much as him lambasting his aides for daring to put up a woman in the street. All those meetings he has had on the road with all the flag waving rosette wearing 'voters' are stagemanaged and so the one time he is let loose he gets all ruffled about it. Personally i think he handled the woman ok and did the usual sidestepping of the difficult questions, like all politicians do.

What he has done has made the less intelligent voters realise he is not a man of substance... well I suppose what kind of substance it could be

[View From The Top]

It's a fact

 

No, it's your opinion.

 

It's your opinion that Brown's gaff will split the vote.

 

It's your opinion that it will cause a 8-10% swing to the tories.

 

Opinion. Not fact.

[bridge too far]

What's your (new) definition of 'a man of substance', Nick?

[dune]

What he has done has made the less intelligent voters realise he is not a man of substance...

 

Substitute "less intelligent voters" with "Labour core vote" and it's a more accurate description nick.

[dune]

No, it's your opinion.

 

It's your opinion that Brown's gaff will split the vote.

 

It's your opinion that it will cause a 8-10% swing to the tories.

 

Opinion. Not fact.

 

I'm tired of arguing with you evey day so i'll concede the point. But even you must admit that gaffes like these will turn some of the Labour core vote away from the party.

[hypochondriac]

Yes, she reportedly said she would vote for him. Then she heard about his calling her a bigot. At that point she said she wouldn't vote for anyone.

 

Yes, I'm dismayed and disappointed. And yes, I think he was probably voicing an opinion in private. In the same way as many other politicians (and others) do. Sometimes some of them get caught out.

 

It doesn't matter whether the event was stage-managed (it wasn't this time) or not. He didn't say it in public - he said it in private.

 

Hypocritical? That means saying one thing and meaning another. He didn't say to her 'I don't think you're a bigot'. He said privately that he thought she was.

 

None of us here are hypocrites though, are we

 

When I was scrolling down the page I was waiting for your defence!

 

Not all of us are applying to be PM though are we! I also don't buy the defence that the others do it just they haven't been caught. Brown is a fool.

[dune]

Clown is as we speak driving to Mrs Duffys house to personally apologise.

 

On SKY news now.

[hypochondriac]

But that's whats so wrong here.

 

He expressed his personal opinion IN PRIVATE whilst still being recorded by the press.

 

As i've said before, what he said was not wrong, it's the fact that he got caught.

 

Everyone with their holier than thou comments on here is madness.

 

Sounded pretty wrong to me.

[thesaint sfc]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8649174.stm

 

I think she'd make a better PM than most of the candidates.

[bridge too far]

When I was scrolling down the page I was waiting for your defence!

 

Not all of us are applying to be PM though are we! I also don't buy the defence that the others do it just they haven't been caught. Brown is a fool.

 

There isn't one.

 

It was very wrong of him to privately express a view.

[View From The Top]

I'm tired of arguing with you evey day so i'll concede the point. But even you must admit that gaffes like these will turn some of the Labour core vote away from the party.

 

No, I don't agree, which is why it's the core vote.

[bridge too far]

No, I don't agree, which is why it's the core vote.

 

Dune doesn't understand what 'core vote' means.

 

When he can drag his hand away from the tissue box, he might do himself a favour and look it up in the dictionary.

[dune]

Dune doesn't understand what 'core vote' means.

 

When he can drag his hand away from the tissue box, he might do himself a favour and look it up in the dictionary.

 

Mrs Duffy had voted Labour all her life and will either switch vote or not vote. I understand what the core vote is and that's people like Mrs Duffy. Today will turn many people who've voted Labour all their lives away.

[thesaint sfc]

There isn't one.

 

It was very wrong of him to privately express a view.

 

If he has a view like that of an elderly woman who has asked him a few basic questions, then he has clearly struggled to deal with them. Do we really want someone leading our country who can't handle a couple of basic questions from an old lady? Watch the clip that I just posted - it shows how utterly pathetic GB is.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Sky just showed the whole meeting with the Women and there was nothing on there that should have caused him a problem. She was praising some aspects of his record and questioning others, she was hardly Paxman like. Cameron's clash with the disabled boys Father was certainly tougher yesterday. To then get in the car and say "who put that Women in front of me" and "it was a disaster", shows how out of touch with his core vote he is.

 

Not many will be surprised by this and that's his problem. Had Cameron or Clegg been recorded acting in the same manner, people would have been geniunely surprised, Agree or disagree with their policies, they do come across as normal (upper class, but normal for the upper classs). Brown comes across as a foul tempered misreable Scottish weirdo, protected by his puppet master Mandy.Stories have been coming out of Westminster for years, of his bullying, of his attack dogs running rivals down in secret briefings, and the way he undermined Tony Blair. This just plays to the widely held view of him already in a lot of the public's mind.

[OldNick]

No Nick I'm not defending him. I already said it was disappointing and that I was dismayed or did your selective myopia come into play?

 

I was just saying that he didn't tell her to her face that she wasn't a bigot (and then go on to say she was). That, my friend is what hypocrisy is.

 

And it's downright silly to compare her to me because, whilst I might well have challenged him about some things (Iraq war for example) I wouldn't have asked a question about Eastern Europe immigration because it's not a topic that bothers me. I wouldn't have given him reason to call me bigoted.

 

I did notice that, every time he tried to answer her questions, she cut him short and asked another question on a different topic. That must have been quite frustrating for him.

 

A bit like Cameron, in the end, walking away from the father who challenged him about mainstream education for disabled children yesterday.

 

Perhaps Cameron said something derogatory 'in private' about that?

 

You do yourself a disservice comparing this with Cameron ansering a voters concerns about a disabled child. Cameron knows more than enough about that pain and so you should withdraw that under the belt comment. Cameron with a passion tried ansering the voters concern, he did not change the track and try to mention the economy etc. Whether the parent agreed was another thing of course, but he addressed the issue. For you to use that as a way of justifying Browns disrespect for the electorate is a surprise, but there again the left always try and deflect the blame and never look at themselves.

As for hypocrisy , i think you should apologise to me ( I recall a couple of days ago you hounding Dune as he accused you of saying something you didnt and you got your way) as I never mentioned the word.

Why is it silly comparing you to that lady? She also was a Labour supporter and you may well have asked a question that brown did not like and he may well have got in the car and said something derogatory that could have been broadcast to the nation by mistake.

Do you feel she is a bigot as well ? as she had concerns about too many people coming in from Eastern Europe. She is a voter and has a right to ask questions and voice her opinions, she was not saying she disliked them but was worried about their impact on her and her famillies life. Far from bigotted IMO

[OldNick]

What's your (new) definition of 'a man of substance', Nick?

Could be one of many things, but his attitude in the car would make me think of finding a kerb to scrape it off.

[dune]

There isn't one.

 

It was very wrong of him to privately express a view.

 

So which is the real Gordon Clown, the one in front of the camera, or the one we saw in the car?

 

I've always known he was a fake and today has proved it.

[bridge too far]

Mrs Duffy had voted Labour all her life and will either switch vote or not vote. I understand what the core vote is and that's people like Mrs Duffy. Today will turn many people who've voted Labour all their lives away.

 

Mrs Duffy has said she will not vote at all - full stop.

 

The core vote is the vote that will not change, come what may.

 

HTH

[dune]

Mrs Duffy has said she will not vote at all - full stop.

 

The core vote is the vote that will not change, come what may.

 

HTH

 

You say come what may, but incidences like today can change all that. I bet there's a good many Labour working class voters in the north that have always voted Labour who'll see todays events and vote Liberal this time.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I'm more interested in his policies than his 'off the cuff' comments - It's like Britain's Got (no) Talent...WHO CARES?!

[trousers]

Brown is now in Mrs Duffy's house. More updates to follow as we receive them.

[trousers]

I'm more interested in his policies than his 'off the cuff' comments!

 

I'm more interested about what his off the cuff comments tells me about the personality of the man currently running the country. But that's only my opinion to be fair....

[trousers]

Brown still in Mrs Duffy's house. Curtains are pulled shut.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The only thing than worse than being called a bigot is having Brown calling round your house.

[OldNick]

Brown still in Mrs Duffy's house. Curtains are pulled shut.

 

I bet her pension problem will be sorted. lol. He didnt risk meeting her in public I assume Lol

I hope she is a hardy soul and come out fighting.

It will all be a misunderstanding of course

[dune]

Snake Mandelson is saying "sometimes people say things that they don't mean".

 

What a load of ********. Brown is only sorry that he got caught.

[trousers]

 

I bet her pension problem will be sorted. lol. He didnt risk meeting her in public I assume Lol

I hope she is a hardy soul and come out fighting.

Nope, no cameras (surprise, surprise). 9 minutes inside and counting

[OldNick]

Snake Mandelson is saying "sometimes people say things that they don't mean".

 

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Yep like we won't raise taxes or cut services, or we are in danger of weapons of mass destruction Lol

[dune]

looking at the house i bet he comes out with dog hairs on his suit.

[trousers]

12 minutes

[thesaint sfc]

I bet her pension problem will be sorted. lol. He didnt risk meeting her in public I assume Lol

I hope she is a hardy soul and come out fighting.

It will all be a misunderstanding of course

 

Yes, he was probably talking about the pope.