League Table for last 75% of season..

[NickG]

...although the full league table is obviously the one that counts, at the end of September a few of us thought that was when Pardew's team really should be judged.

 

The league table, since September, which is 75% of a season, gives a good indication as to where we are with our progress and how next season may go:

 

Norwich 79

Saints 71

Millwall 71

Swindon 64

Huddersfield 62

Leeds 57

Charlton 55

Colchester 51

Brentford 48

Brighton 46

Wallsall 45

Carlisle 44

MK Dons 42

Bristol Rovers 40

Hartlepool 39

Oldham 37

Gillingham 36

 

Millwall could be the team to look out for next season if they don't go up

[alpine_saint]

These numbers tell me that promotion next season is far from a foregone conclusion. There are 3 or 4 teams close to our form, and then we have to factor in the 3 relegated CCC teams who could be brilliant or sh*t at this level.

[Matthew Le God]

These numbers tell me that promotion next season is far from a foregone conclusion. There are 3 or 4 teams close to our form, and then we have to factor in the 3 relegated CCC teams who could be brilliant or sh*t at this level.

 

That table of Nick's also includes a large number of games before the January window when Saints made significant changes which also took a while to bed in. With a full pre season together and the current squad, it "should" be even better than the form in Nick's table suggests.

[NickG]

and Pardew said yesterday that he wants to add championship players in summer

[John B]

These numbers tell me that promotion next season is far from a foregone conclusion. There are 3 or 4 teams close to our form, and then we have to factor in the 3 relegated CCC teams who could be brilliant or sh*t at this level.

 

Nothing is a foregone conclusion as you suggest

 

If it was there would be no point in playing the games but Nick's point is genuine evidence that promotion next season is more than a probablity

[david in sweden]

...although the full league table is obviously the one that counts, at the end of September a few of us thought that was when Pardew's team really should be judged.

 

The league table, since September, which is 75% of a season, gives a good indication as to where we are with our progress and how next season may go:

 

Norwich 79

Saints 71

Millwall 71

Swindon 64

Huddersfield 62

Leeds 57

Charlton 55

 

 

Even with the terrible start in the first month, it was still the -10 that spoilt it for Saints and strange to say... none of the guilty parties got punished.

 

In any ordinary situation the Board or the manager and his team suffered the consequences of the administration. But in our case...the Chairman and Board had gone, so too had most of the regular players..the (temporary) manager had only stayed out of a sense of duty.. and the real victims of the points deducution were - the fans !

[NickG]

...although the full league table is obviously the one that counts, at the end of September a few of us thought that was when Pardew's team really should be judged.

 

The league table, since September, which is 75% of a season, gives a good indication as to where we are with our progress and how next season may go:

 

Norwich 79

Saints 71

Millwall 71

Swindon 64

Huddersfield 62

Leeds 57

Charlton 55

Colchester 51

Brentford 48

Brighton 46

Wallsall 45

Carlisle 44

MK Dons 42

Bristol Rovers 40

Hartlepool 39

Oldham 37

Gillingham 36

 

Millwall could be the team to look out for next season if they don't go up

 

or to put it another way,

 

over 34 games we gained 14 points over Leeds, 16 over Charlton - so won about 5 more games than teams going up

[S-Clarke]

and Pardew said yesterday that he wants to add championship players in summer

 

his comment a few weeks ago was exciting.

 

''if we go up we'll be looking to build a good championship team, but if we stay down I'll be doing the same as well'

[Thedelldays]

building said squad will be alot harder in league 1..

 

if we got in a CCC standard RB and CM we will win the league for sure

[Legod Third Coming]

building said squad will be alot harder in league 1..

 

if we got in a CCC standard RB and CM we will win the league for sure

 

Agreed.

[John B]

building said squad will be alot harder in league 1..

 

if we got in a CCC standard RB and CM we will win the league for sure

 

I would like to say we should be able to win the league as nothing is sure in football

[Ponty]

building said squad will be alot harder in league 1..

 

if we got in a CCC standard RB and CM we will win the league for sure

If it was as simple as that we'd lose a few members here who'd have nothing to post about.

[krissyboy31]

I looked out of interest, how many times had we won 22 games in a single season (obviously the majority of seasons we have been involved in, have been 38 game or 42 game) and we have only equalled it 9 times previously (post war) and only twice managed to beat it (26 winning Div 3 in '59/60 and 24, finishing 3rd in Div 3 [south] in '54/55).

 

We could end up 7th winning 24 games which would be astonishing TBH.

[Mr X]

Those who think we are gonna walk to an automatic spot next season need a reality check!!!!! next season will be just as tough if not tougher, this is a hard league to get out of make no mistake

[krissyboy31]

Those who think we are gonna walk to an automatic spot next season need a reality check!!!!! next season will be just as tough if not tougher, this is a hard league to get out of make no mistake

 

You better tell AP and NG that then. This season has only been tough because of the points deduction and the fact the it took 2 months for the team to gel and get last seasons losing mentality out of their system. Without that we would have ****ed it this season, along with Norwich.

[stmusicdude]

These numbers tell me that promotion next season is far from a foregone conclusion. There are 3 or 4 teams close to our form, and then we have to factor in the 3 relegated CCC teams who could be brilliant or sh*t at this level.

Yes agree with you here. work still to be done

[Mr X]

You better tell AP and NG that then. This season has only been tough because of the points deduction and the fact the it took 2 months for the team to gel and get last seasons losing mentality out of their system. Without that we would have ****ed it this season, along with Norwich.

 

appreciate your thoughts on that, I will put my money where my mouth is and say that we will not make an automatic spot next season of course more than happy to be proved wrong!

[Saint Without a Halo]

Despite the deduction and the poor start, 70 points would have us currently sitting in a play off position in either the Championship or League 2 at present! We are rather unlucky that our minus 10 concided with 6 teams in league 1 who have accumulated more than 77 points so far. A total for a top six place that is, to all intents and purposes highly unusual

[Matthew Le God]

NickG, over how many games is that table in the opening post? Is it 34?

Edited 25 April, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Aardvark]

That table of Nick's also includes a large number of games before the January window when Saints made significant changes which also took a while to bed in. With a full pre season together and the current squad, it "should" be even better than the form in Nick's table suggests.

 

It would be interesting then if he (or somebody else) could compile a similar table from Jan 1st or Feb 1st.

 

Norwich's performance is particularly impressive as I seem to recall they had a poor start to the season - and I'm not just talking about the 7-1 opening day defeat, I can remember them being down with us in the bottom four during those opening weeks.

[Dr Who?]

I would be interested in seeing the table on form since January and the last 25% of the season, but I cannot be arsed to work all this out!! lol

[Dark Munster]

Those who think we are gonna walk to an automatic spot next season need a reality check!!!!! next season will be just as tough if not tougher, this is a hard league to get out of make no mistake

But the Lowe luvvies were telling us that this was an easy league to get out of, when Nigel Pearson's Leicester walked the league last season. :smt017

[Thedelldays]

But the Lowe luvvies were telling us that this was an easy league to get out of, when Nigel Pearson's Leicester walked the league last season. :smt017

it is an easy league

[saintkiptanui]

appreciate your thoughts on that, I will put my money where my mouth is and say that we will not make an automatic spot next season of course more than happy to be proved wrong!

Wrong.

[Legod Third Coming]

it is an easy league

 

Tell that to Leeds... or Man Citeh, or Sheffield Wednesday...

 

This 'easy' league idea is cobblers. They are all filled with teams who are here on merit or lack of it.

 

Chelsea with their gazillions do not find the Premiership easy. They have spent conservatively ten times Arsenal's budget and are about 5 points ahead of them.

 

I believe we will win this league because of a balance of resources and a good manager. But do not kid yourself it's easy... if it was anyone could get promoted which would mean de facto it was not easy...

[Thedelldays]

Tell that to Leeds... or Man Citeh, or Sheffield Wednesday...

 

This 'easy' league idea is cobblers. They are all filled with teams who are here on merit or lack of it.

 

Chelsea with their gazillions do not find the Premiership easy. They have spent conservatively ten times Arsenal's budget and are about 5 points ahead of them.

 

I believe we will win this league because of a balance of resources and a good manager. But do not kid yourself it's easy... if it was anyone could get promoted which would mean de facto it was not easy...

 

 

it is an easy league..give us our 10 points back and we would probably go up...even with everything else this season..

 

easy easy easy

[RonManager]

Well 3 teams are going to get promoted whether they like it or not!

[Legod Third Coming]

it is an easy league..give us our 10 points back and we would probably go up...even with everything else this season..

 

easy easy easy

 

It will just be a bit easier for us because of money - but managers have proved time and again, money doesn't guarantee success. I expect us to win the league, but teams aren't going to roll over just because we fly to their grounds rather than come by push bike...!

[Thedelldays]

It will just be a bit easier for us because of money - but managers have proved time and again, money doesn't guarantee success. I expect us to win the league, but teams aren't going to roll over just because we fly to their grounds rather than come by push bike...!

but we have a good manager..so it will be easy next season

never suggested teams will roll over and im sure we will have a sticky patch next season..but I will be amazed if we are not comfortably automatically promoted next season

[Legod Third Coming]

but we have a good manager..so it will be easy next season

never suggested teams will roll over and im sure we will have a sticky patch next season..but I will be amazed if we are not comfortably automatically promoted next season

 

I agree, but to me that doesn't make the league easy, just means we have good resources and a good manager - Leeds have had the former for three seasons! But you only need to look at Swindon's result on Saturday to know some of these places are not easy to get results...

[Thedelldays]

I agree, but to me that doesn't make the league easy, just means we have good resources and a good manager - Leeds have had the former for three seasons! But you only need to look at Swindon's result on Saturday to know some of these places are not easy to get results...

could not care less what leeds, did or what chelsea did

we are saints and we are where we are...and next season we will have the best squad (by a long way) in the league, best manager, best coaches, best chairman, best everything

 

we will go up top two no worries..

[NickG]

NickG, over how many games is that table in the opening post? Is it 34?

 

think so, think I took off everyones first 10 games

[NickG]

appreciate your thoughts on that, I will put my money where my mouth is and say that we will not make an automatic spot next season of course more than happy to be proved wrong!

 

why not?

[saintjinksie]

Those who think we are gonna walk to an automatic spot next season need a reality check!!!!! next season will be just as tough if not tougher, this is a hard league to get out of make no mistake

 

tell that to wycombe and stockport

[benjii]

Even with the terrible start in the first month, it was still the -10 that spoilt it for Saints and strange to say... none of the guilty parties got punished.

 

In any ordinary situation the Board or the manager and his team suffered the consequences of the administration. But in our case...the Chairman and Board had gone, so too had most of the regular players..the (temporary) manager had only stayed out of a sense of duty.. and the real victims of the points deducution were - the fans !

 

You sound like a skate!

 

We deserved a points penalty and we got it. End of. Annoying but true.

[brmbrm]

...although the full league table is obviously the one that counts, at the end of September a few of us thought that was when Pardew's team really should be judged.

 

The league table, since September, which is 75% of a season, gives a good indication as to where we are with our progress and how next season may go:

 

Norwich 79

Saints 71

Millwall 71

Swindon 64

Huddersfield 62

Leeds 57

Charlton 55

Colchester 51

Brentford 48

Brighton 46

Wallsall 45

Carlisle 44

MK Dons 42

Bristol Rovers 40

Hartlepool 39

Oldham 37

Gillingham 36

 

Millwall could be the team to look out for next season if they don't go up

 

You sure you got your figures right? After 10 games we were on -2 points, so we got 72 points in the last 34 games.....

 

Currently:

7 Southampton 44 37 70

[NickG]

Not saying they are 100%, but we were -1 after 10 games.

[CB Fry]

Those who think we are gonna walk to an automatic spot next season need a reality check!!!!! next season will be just as tough if not tougher, this is a hard league to get out of make no mistake

 

 

Sounds a lot like the pompous "reality checks" we had in August when those oh-so-jolly-clever people decreed that anyone saying we could challenge for the play offs this season needed a "reality check" when all we could expect for 2009-2010 was simply to stave off relegation.

 

Well they were completely wrong then, and you're wrong now.

 

We'll be red hot favourites to win the league next season, not according to Saints fans, but according to everyone.

 

That's reality.

[John B]

Sounds a lot like the pompous "reality checks" we had in August when those oh-so-jolly-clever people decreed that anyone saying we could challenge for the play offs this season needed a "reality check" when all we could expect for 2009-2010 was simply to stave off relegation.

 

Well they were completely wrong then, and you're wrong now.

 

We'll be red hot favourites to win the league next season, not according to Saints fans, but according to everyone.

 

That's reality.

 

Yes I agree that we will be one of the favourites but that of course does not guarantee that we will be promoted.

[CB Fry]

Yes I agree that we will be one of the favourites but that of course does not guarantee that we will be promoted.

 

No, but then nothing is guaranteed for anyone at anytime anywhere.

 

We'll be favourites.

[Dark Munster]

it is an easy league..give us our 10 points back and we would probably go up...even with everything else this season..

 

easy easy easy

Yes, and no.

It's easy because most of the other teams are crap.

It's hard because most of the refs are crap (and seem to have it in for Saints). :cool:

[Dark Munster]

You sound like a skate!

 

We deserved a points penalty and we got it. End of. Annoying but true.

We deserved a points penalty last season. The spiteful rosy-cheeked one made sure it carried over to this season, which we did not deserve.

[John B]

No, but then nothing is guaranteed for anyone at anytime anywhere.

 

We'll be favourites.

 

Yes we seem to agree and I fully expect that SFC will get promoted

[John B]

We deserved a points penalty last season. The spiteful rosy-cheeked one made sure it carried over to this season, which we did not deserve.

 

I agree some of the people who got us into administration lost money others like Hone and Delieau probably made money but it is the fans who have to suffer in the end which is totally unfair but what else can the League do.

 

At least clubs like ourselves and Luton who have entered administration seem to be on the up but others like Crystal Palace Stockport and some Premier League club on the South Coast do not

[RinNY]

These numbers tell me that promotion next season is far from a foregone conclusion. There are 3 or 4 teams close to our form, and then we have to factor in the 3 relegated CCC teams who could be brilliant or sh*t at this level.

 

What are you looking at? Only Norwich's form was superior to ours over that stretch, and they won't be around. Only Millwall's form was equal to ours, and there's a good chance they won't be around either. Every other team was significantly worse than us since September, and that's in spite of significant patches of inconsistency on our part.

 

Doesn't mean we'll walk the League next season; does mean that if we can sustain that form over the course of a whole season, we should go up in one of the automatic slots.

[RinNY]

We deserved a points penalty last season. The spiteful rosy-cheeked one made sure it carried over to this season, which we did not deserve.

 

 

I don't see that we "deserved" a points penalty: the club was being operated in a proper, responsible way; the main debt was due to a new stadium, which had to be built in order to try to compete fiscally in the Prem. Relegation was a misfortune that fatally impacted our ability to handle that debt, and the international economic crisis caused the bank to look much less favorably on our overdraft and pull the plug on us.

 

What's in that to "deserve" points penalties? Unfortunately, the rules dictated that we should be hit with one, but that's got nothing to do with desserts; nor with spite on the part of the one you obsessively hating types can't ever seem to stop going on about -- who was after all just trying (unsuccessfully) to protect his own money!

[Saintandy666]

To be honest, I don't think League 1 has ever had some many large structured clubs in it at the same time. I'm talking Saints, Millwall, Leeds, Norwich, Charlton. 3 of these will be gone next year leaving us effectively as the big club of the league. Whether this will help or not, I am not sure.

[Legod Third Coming]

Sounds a lot like the pompous "reality checks" we had in August when those oh-so-jolly-clever people decreed that anyone saying we could challenge for the play offs this season needed a "reality check" when all we could expect for 2009-2010 was simply to stave off relegation.

 

Well they were completely wrong then, and you're wrong now.

 

We'll be red hot favourites to win the league next season, not according to Saints fans, but according to everyone.

 

That's reality.

 

And rightly so, we have better resources than all bar about six clubs in the land. With that sort of backing we should expect, at the very least, promotion and with a fair wind, to go up as Champions.

 

That does not mean we will win every game - look at Chelsea at Wigan and United at Burnley. So that means some of the intellectually challenged on here getting their heads around an occasional defeat and not using it to lambast the manager and players.

 

But we should expect promotion form and be rightly annoyed if we don't get it.

 

My money's on us being crowned Champions in late March.

Edited 26 April, 2010 by Legod Third Coming

[NickG]

...although the full league table is obviously the one that counts, at the end of September a few of us thought that was when Pardew's team really should be judged.

 

The league table, since September, which is 75% of a season, gives a good indication as to where we are with our progress and how next season may go:

 

Norwich 79

Saints 71

Millwall 71

Swindon 64

Huddersfield 62

Leeds 57

Charlton 55

Colchester 51

Brentford 48

Brighton 46

Wallsall 45

Carlisle 44

MK Dons 42

Bristol Rovers 40

Hartlepool 39

Oldham 37

Gillingham 36

 

Millwall could be the team to look out for next season if they don't go up

 

These numbers tell me that promotion next season is far from a foregone conclusion. There are 3 or 4 teams close to our form, and then we have to factor in the 3 relegated CCC teams who could be brilliant or sh*t at this level.

 

4 four teams close to our form? taken over a season this form puts us 12 points clear of Huddersfield and 19 points clear of Leeds.

 

The only teams close to us for form for the vast majority of the season are Norwich and Millwall who both may well be gone.

[NickG]

as requested 2010

 

Norwich 47

Millwall 46

Saints 42

Swindon 41

Huddersfield 39

Charlton 30

Leeds 27

Edited 26 April, 2010 by NickG