NickG Posted 24 April, 2010 Posted 24 April, 2010 something to look forward to. Pardew's realistic views on next two season. Enjoyed today and the season and good to be able to look forward.
NickG Posted 24 April, 2010 Author Posted 24 April, 2010 no reason we can't follow and good to hear Pardew say so!
hypochondriac Posted 24 April, 2010 Posted 24 April, 2010 In fact we should have more chance of doing it. I would argue that we have better players than Leicester did when they won the league.
Thedelldays Posted 24 April, 2010 Posted 24 April, 2010 no reason we can't follow and good to hear Pardew say so! yep...love it already said that next year we are gunning for the title..
alpine_saint Posted 24 April, 2010 Posted 24 April, 2010 yep...love it already said that next year we are gunning for the title.. I hope actions speak louder than words, I really do..
Neil Posted 24 April, 2010 Posted 24 April, 2010 Both League 1 and the Championship look pretty soft next season, probably as a result of all the financially stricken clubs floating around. Bit of a shame we can't have a pop at the Championship next season, as Newcastle/Baggies gone and skint/****e clubs coming down like Skates/Burnley/Hull. Having said that I'll gladly enjoy a title romp next season, and possibly a good attempt at promotion first time up in the Championship.
S-Clarke Posted 24 April, 2010 Posted 24 April, 2010 I think going up next season may work out better in the long run, i expect us to go up automatically, hopefully by winning the league - teams that do that often propel into the championship and carry on their form (we could end up with 2 seasons of winning most weeks under our belts) but the bonus with us is that we'll end up adding to our team with even more quality (i can sense the ambition is to see us as the best in that league too) - so without sounding too demanding, I'd expect us to go straight into a championship promotion hunt.
John B Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 I think going up next season may work out better in the long run, i expect us to go up automatically, hopefully by winning the league - teams that do that often propel into the championship and carry on their form (we could end up with 2 seasons of winning most weeks under our belts) but the bonus with us is that we'll end up adding to our team with even more quality (i can sense the ambition is to see us as the best in that league too) - so without sounding too demanding, I'd expect us to go straight into a championship promotion hunt. Yes I agree with you - Blackpool Swansea Leicester and Nottm Forest currently fighting for a play off spot in the CCC have all done well recently in League 1
beatlesaint Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 I think going up next season may work out better in the long run, i expect us to go up automatically, hopefully by winning the league - teams that do that often propel into the championship and carry on their form (we could end up with 2 seasons of winning most weeks under our belts) but the bonus with us is that we'll end up adding to our team with even more quality (i can sense the ambition is to see us as the best in that league too) - so without sounding too demanding, I'd expect us to go straight into a championship promotion hunt. I agree with you (as I usually do). AP's logic of having another season in this League, a season of winning games to build up that winning mentality even more is very sound and sensible. I think it will equip us better to deal with the CCC and do a Leicester, especially if he is bringing in Championship quality players during the summer.
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 I think going up next season may work out better in the long run, i expect us to go up automatically, hopefully by winning the league - teams that do that often propel into the championship and carry on their form (we could end up with 2 seasons of winning most weeks under our belts) but the bonus with us is that we'll end up adding to our team with even more quality (i can sense the ambition is to see us as the best in that league too) - so without sounding too demanding, I'd expect us to go straight into a championship promotion hunt. lets be honest, staying in this league any longer has nothing really good about it..not with the backing pardew has available to him.. however, we are where we are so we have to make the best of it..and it was VERY refreshing to hear yesterday (already) that the club want to sign CCC players (or try) and will simply go out to win the league next season... IMO, I would quite happily go out of the league cup first round next season so we can focus on the league early on... next season = no excuses..and I believe we wont need any
John B Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 lets be honest, staying in this league any longer has nothing really good about it..not with the backing pardew has available to him.. however, we are where we are so we have to make the best of it..and it was VERY refreshing to hear yesterday (already) that the club want to sign CCC players (or try) and will simply go out to win the league next season... IMO, I would quite happily go out of the league cup first round next season so we can focus on the league early on... next season = no excuses..and I believe we wont need any Why bother to enter for the cup competitions in the first place but they do generate extra reveune to enhance the playing staff
S-Clarke Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 however, we are where we are so we have to make the best of it..and it was VERY refreshing to hear yesterday (already) that the club want to sign CCC players (or try) and will simply go out to win the league next season... i think we'll be fine next season, the thing that's impressed me most so far is Pardews attitude. It's not just the word ''promotion'' or ''top 2'' - he states that we will go all out to win the league and you will not go far wrong with that attitude. set out to achieve the top and you will not go far wrong.
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Why bother to enter for the cup competitions in the first place but they do generate extra reveune to enhance the playing staff I would use the League cup (as it starts so early) as reserve game...we dont need the league cup, we dont need the extra games early on give me a storming start to the league over a 3rd round knockout of the league cup any day of the week...
John B Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 I would use the League cup (as it starts so early) as reserve game...we dont need the league cup, we dont need the extra games early on give me a storming start to the league over a 3rd round knockout of the league cup any day of the week... I would prefer both
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Such a difference in mentality between Pardew and Burley. Set your expectations and targets high and even if you miss them the worst that can happen is you end up in a second automatic spot of maybe the play-offs... Whereas, Burley always set the minimum target - play-offs, qualification, mediocrity...
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 I would use the League cup (as it starts so early) as reserve game...we dont need the league cup, we dont need the extra games early on give me a storming start to the league over a 3rd round knockout of the league cup any day of the week... You can have both, no problem. This year, the cup games helped to build revenue, team spirity winning mentality, etc. Next year they will do the same more effectively as we will not need to rotate the squad because of 'cup tied' players. Instead we can choose to rotate the squad to give players experience, match practice, match fitness, etc... You can't tell me that United suffered in the league because they went out to win the Champion's League, FA Cup, etc... Winning teams can win football matches.
John B Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 (edited) Such a difference in mentality between Pardew and Burley. Set your expectations and targets high and even if you miss them the worst that can happen is you end up in a second automatic spot of maybe the play-offs... Whereas, Burley always set the minimum target - play-offs, qualification, mediocrity... Pardew's team is a lot better than Burley's team as can be seen from subsequent seasons Thought Burley was pretty realistic like Pardew is I totally agree with your other post above but we need to let fringe players become more involved Edited 25 April, 2010 by John B
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 You can have both, no problem. This year, the cup games helped to build revenue, team spirity winning mentality, etc. Next year they will do the same more effectively as we will not need to rotate the squad because of 'cup tied' players. Instead we can choose to rotate the squad to give players experience, match practice, match fitness, etc... You can't tell me that United suffered in the league because they went out to win the Champion's League, FA Cup, etc... Winning teams can win football matches. well..in that case, I hope we rotate and rest player LIKE UNITED as you simply cannot expect lambert and co to play 50-odd games...
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 well..in that case, I hope we rotate and rest player LIKE UNITED as you simply cannot expect lambert and co to play 50-odd games... Agreed, play him when you need him and he's fit and able to play. Rest him when we need to despatch Lincoln City....
Red and White Army Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 IMO, I would quite happily go out of the league cup first round next season so we can focus on the league early on... I hope anyone who wants us to lose games we play ****s off and supports our fishy friends down the road. Take alwhine skate with you.
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 I hope anyone who wants us to lose games we play ****s off and supports our fishy friends down the road. Take alwhine skate with you. shut up you ****
OldNick Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 So AP has applied the pressure but also heightened the fans hopes. If we are not in the top 4 after 5 or 6 games the fans will turn from their supportive selves to frustrated and turning on the side. It will be the first season in the CCC all over agin. We were well capable of making a charge that first season and wedre there or there abouts but the fans desperation for us to be in the promotion places added intense pressure. We need to remember this season where Leeds looked odds on favourites, but form expectation and nerves got to them. We must keep our nerves and even if we are only top 6 with 10 cgames to go realise that a good end of season run is far more important than a fantastic start. I hope we cruise to the title but I doubt we will unless we get a couple more quality players, to put us ehad and shoulders above the rest. Brighton will be a force Swindon if they keep their players will alos be a threa . It wont be easy.
OldNick Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 IMO, I would quite happily go out of the league cup first round next season so we can focus on the league early on... I agree, we can't let other distractions take away our focus. The JPT is a difficult one as the fans enjoyed it so much I suspect we would like to win that again as well
beatlesaint Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 I agree, we can't let other distractions take away our focus. The JPT is a difficult one as the fans enjoyed it so much I suspect we would like to win that again as well Go out the League Cup early, and the FA Cup, but try to defend the JPT. The squad should be big enough and deep enough to cope with a maximum 6 extra games (inc. the final that is).
NickG Posted 25 April, 2010 Author Posted 25 April, 2010 He fully expects all of our top players to be here next season - he said you don't often get chance to be a league champion in your career, he has not done it as a player or manager and its exciting.
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Go out the League Cup early, and the FA Cup, but try to defend the JPT. The squad should be big enough and deep enough to cope with a maximum 6 extra games (inc. the final that is). Defeat breeds defeat. Harry Redknapp chucked away an opportunity against Manchester United and we were relegated anyway. What if we'd been relegated as Cup winners with all the additional income? Or if an unlikely victory over Manchester United had spurred additional belief? It's funny how you don't see the leading trophy winners in the world throwing away opportunities to win games... We will have the strongest, deepest, richest squad in League One. It's up to the manager to utilise it to win as many games as possible. I'm sure he will!
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Defeat breeds defeat. ! really...pompey in the cup final..? im sure we have lost a game this season too..?
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 really...pompey in the cup final..? im sure we have lost a game this season too..? Pompey is a prime example... do you think they have performed worse in the league because of their cup run?
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Pompey is a prime example... do you think they have performed worse in the league because of their cup run? well, losing in the cup will not mean it breeds defeat does it..? sure it can effect immediate form but dear god, you really think going out of the league cup in september will haunt the players come january/..?
OldNick Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 It's funny how you don't see the leading trophy winners in the world throwing away opportunities to win games... Man u pulled out of the FA cup, Arsenal/Man u/Chelsea have a history of playing weakened teams in the League cup etc etc We are not world beaters and do not have the luxury of not needing to go up. I agree that winning breeds winning but at the same time I believe that the cups became a distraction this season and the FA and League cup (trophies we could not win) it would have been better if we had gone out early. Then we may have gone on our league run a tad sooner and the players would have been a tad fresher.
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 well, losing in the cup will not mean it breeds defeat does it..? sure it can effect immediate form but dear god, you really think going out of the league cup in september will haunt the players come january/..? No, but you said it yourself - 'it affects immediate form' - and that can have a lasting impact. We only need to lose a few games, drop points on our competition, create unnecessary pressure, get the crowd on the players' backs... Better to try to win every game. If we don't, so be it, but let's not chuck away chances to earn revenue, give players experience/match fitness and create something? Put it this way, didn't Lallana and Lambert both say that a taste of Wembley made them determined to get back and have more? As a club we have forgotten what winning is about - the pressure as well as the joy. The more exposure we can get to what a 'winning mentality' requires, the better in my view...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 No, but you said it yourself - 'it affects immediate form' - and that can have a lasting impact. We only need to lose a few games, drop points on our competition, create unnecessary pressure, get the crowd on the players' backs... Better to try to win every game. If we don't, so be it, but let's not chuck away chances to earn revenue, give players experience/match fitness and create something? Put it this way, didn't Lallana and Lambert both say that a taste of Wembley made them determined to get back and have more? As a club we have forgotten what winning is about - the pressure as well as the joy. The more exposure we can get to what a 'winning mentality' requires, the better in my view... ok, so, pompey on their cup run has done what for the league..? man u, arsenal, both out of the cup and still are 2 of the best 3 in the land.. spurs, lost to pompey then went on to beat arsenal and chelsea i think you are talking poo my friend..
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Man u pulled out of the FA cup, Arsenal/Man u/Chelsea have a history of playing weakened teams in the League cup etc etc We are not world beaters and do not have the luxury of not needing to go up. I agree that winning breeds winning but at the same time I believe that the cups became a distraction this season and the FA and League cup (trophies we could not win) it would have been better if we had gone out early. Then we may have gone on our league run a tad sooner and the players would have been a tad fresher. Man Utd made a decision in concert with the Premier League to promote their finances - by going to try and win a compeition in Brazil!! And the club with a history of playing weakened teams, Arsenal, how many trophies do they have in their cabinet? We are world beaters in THIS League, so we should be able to rotate our squad accordingly.
Raven on the wing Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 If we are to be contenders to win league 1 outright we should have a shadow squad with enough quality to beat the bottom half of L1 downwards in Cup comps.
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 ok, so, pompey on their cup run has done what for the league..? man u, arsenal, both out of the cup and still are 2 of the best 3 in the land.. spurs, lost to pompey then went on to beat arsenal and chelsea i think you are talking poo my friend.. And for every example where a club loses and then wins, are a hundred where they lose and then lose again. You are missing the point, what is the point of deliberatley losing?
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Man Utd made a decision in concert with the Premier League to promote their finances - by going to try and win a compeition in Brazil!! And the club with a history of playing weakened teams, Arsenal, how many trophies do they have in their cabinet? We are world beaters in THIS League, so we should be able to rotate our squad accordingly. damn sight more than most in the last 10 years OK, i hope we rotate our squad so that our star players our OUT and rested for league and FA cups
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 damn sight more than most in the last 10 years OK, i hope we rotate our squad so that our star players our OUT and rested for league and FA cups But not more than Chelsea and United who accept that you can win MORE than one competition in one season...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 But not more than Chelsea and United who accept that you can win MORE than one competition in one season... yes, league and JPT please in that case.. even the great man U and chelsea make whole sale changes for the league cup
doddisalegend Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 lets be honest, staying in this league any longer has nothing really good about it..not with the backing pardew has available to him.. however, we are where we are so we have to make the best of it..and it was VERY refreshing to hear yesterday (already) that the club want to sign CCC players (or try) and will simply go out to win the league next season... IMO, I would quite happily go out of the league cup first round next season so we can focus on the league early on... next season = no excuses..and I believe we wont need any Cheaper match tickets;)
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 yes, league and JPT please in that case.. even the great man U and chelsea make whole sale changes for the league cup Hmm, shame United don't take is seriously, what with having won it three times in the past five years...
The Cat Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Agree we should try to win every game. Clearly players will be rested but we should have a good enough squad to compete in every competition without having to leave out the first XI for cup games. Can't see the logic of hoping we lose in the League Cup or FA Cup early on because who knows, we may draw Pompey again or a Premiership team, or even work our way towards the back end of the competitions.
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Hmm, shame United don't take is seriously, what with having won it three times in the past five years... indeed...do they still play player who would not normally play though.. the answer is yes isnt it Van Der Saar who is not even picked in the matchday 16 for UTD in the league cup thing is...man U's 2nd 11 are better than most..but they still rest key players
OldNick Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Man Utd made a decision in concert with the Premier League to promote their finances - by going to try and win a compeition in Brazil!! And the club with a history of playing weakened teams, Arsenal, how many trophies do they have in their cabinet? We are world beaters in THIS League, so we should be able to rotate our squad accordingly.Arsenal have not won a trophy since 2005. I dont say go an try and lose but perhaps play a understrength team. Did we not lose a good player to an injury in the league cup who has yet to play again?
John B Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Arsenal have not won a trophy since 2005. I dont say go an try and lose but perhaps play a understrength team. Did we not lose a good player to an injury in the league cup who has yet to play again? No he played again and got injured again if you mean Murty
OldNick Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 No he played again and got injured again if you mean Murty I did, but it was the initial injury that did for him, but you are right he did play again , my mistake
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 well..either way, we would have to rest players if we play first 11 every game..as it would be a big ask for them to play 50+ games without getting injured/tired.. maybe we could rest them in league games..?
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 Arsenal have not won a trophy since 2005. I dont say go an try and lose but perhaps play a understrength team. Did we not lose a good player to an injury in the league cup who has yet to play again? This argument has some value, but if a player is sent off in a league game and could have served a ban in the cup... Fate will deal you a hand, you cannot guard against fate. What about players who could gain match fitness in a league game, or play themselves back into form? Cup games have a huge value to a team like us. They enable us to experience pressure, success and to know what it's like to win when it matters. Big clubs can afford to ignore this if they want - but maybe if Arsenal players knew how to win when it really mattered, they would...
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 April, 2010 Posted 25 April, 2010 well..either way, we would have to rest players if we play first 11 every game..as it would be a big ask for them to play 50+ games without getting injured/tired.. maybe we could rest them in league games..? Rest them when you think you can win without them - that's what good managers do. And have them on the bench in case... That's not what Wenger does.
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