Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Of course, the fact that I'm not holding out any hope for the latter in the face of Cortese's total intransigence on every other matter so far is the crux of the problem. How can they have mismanaged so badly that an anniversary season of celebration in which we're expected to challenge for promotion is already turning into a farce ? There's a red nose on the badly redesigned badge, a large chunk of the fanbase are unable to afford to pay to renew STs due to ridiculously short notice, no instalment plan and no communication from the club. We managed not to have match programmes for the last game of last season, there's a booking fee on ticket purchases with the pay on the day surcharge being lower than the pay early one, and all of it has been met by resounding silence from the club to an increasingly disillusioned fanbase. Without regular wins to distract us from what's happening with the club itself, it looks pretty poor. Other than Cortese's nice PR piece, has there been a single decision made since the JPT on the non-playing side that hasn't been a complete and utter ar5e-up ? Spot on summary of the last couple of months. It's not even the decisions themselves that are the problem, but the terrible way they have been communicated to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 I am assuming you have £400 spare to buy a season ticket ? i do lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 No, but I can afford £277 to renew in the family stand. So you might be forgiven for not understanding how annoying it is for the club to withdraw a facility they've always previously provided at St Mary's with 30 minutes' notice, leaving a significant number of people having to make alternative arrangements in order to continue to give their money to the club then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 (edited) i do lol Long and short of it is that I've got savings too, but it's going to get spent on one-off "life" stuff that's due by July, along with some other unavoidable expenditure due to my house sale falling through, before Saints have a chance of getting hold of £328 of it. And I already have a 0% credit card. As for finding £80 for two new kits... Edited 2 June, 2010 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Any news on keepers kit? It will be a colour with an Umbro logo and Saints 125 Anniversary badge on it, and a tailored By Umbro label in it. All joking aside, most likely it'll be very plain with a round neck and white cuffs, possibly with extremely strange elasticated elbow-bits, like the England keepers' shirts and the current Umbro England compression gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 I don't like to think it yet alone say it but if Mr Lowe had been responsible for half the **** ups in the last month then there would have been fans on the streets. Ok the club have decided an installment plan is too expensive, they have had all season to make this decision why only announce it now after every other club in the country has had tickets on sale for months? Surely we could have announced it earlier so poeple could plan ahead, sucked up the cost for a last season of the installment plan or asked people to pay an extra 10% for the installment option? The match day pricing structure is odd and confusing once you put the booking charge in place and for the small sums of money involved just seems designed to leave a bad taste in the mouth. The badge is a joke on a par with the statue fiasco, it looks sub primary school standard and even if it was designed for free by one of the tea ladies it should have been rejected. I'm now expecting the aniversary kit to be a joke and the Ted Bates trohpy to be contested against the reserves. I'm begining to get the feeling our club is back in trouble and I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 I don't like to think it yet alone say it but if Mr Lowe had been responsible for half the **** ups in the last month then there would have been fans on the streets. Ok the club have decided an installment plan is too expensive, they have had all season to make this decision why only announce it now after every other club in the country has had tickets on sale for months? Surely we could have announced it earlier so poeple could plan ahead, sucked up the cost for a last season of the installment plan or asked people to pay an extra 10% for the installment option? The match day pricing structure is odd and confusing once you put the booking charge in place and for the small sums of money involved just seems designed to leave a bad taste in the mouth. The badge is a joke on a par with the statue fiasco, it looks sub primary school standard and even if it was designed for free by one of the tea ladies it should have been rejected. I'm now expecting the aniversary kit to be a joke and the Ted Bates trohpy to be contested against the reserves. I'm begining to get the feeling our club is back in trouble and I don't like it. As much as I see what point your making regarding the badge and strange ticketing news, I still can't help but LOL at your post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 I don't like to think it yet alone say it but if Mr Lowe had been responsible for half the **** ups in the last month then there would have been fans on the streets. Ok the club have decided an installment plan is too expensive, they have had all season to make this decision why only announce it now after every other club in the country has had tickets on sale for months? Surely we could have announced it earlier so poeple could plan ahead, sucked up the cost for a last season of the installment plan or asked people to pay an extra 10% for the installment option? The match day pricing structure is odd and confusing once you put the booking charge in place and for the small sums of money involved just seems designed to leave a bad taste in the mouth. The badge is a joke on a par with the statue fiasco, it looks sub primary school standard and even if it was designed for free by one of the tea ladies it should have been rejected. I'm now expecting the aniversary kit to be a joke and the Ted Bates trohpy to be contested against the reserves. I'm begining to get the feeling our club is back in trouble and I don't like it. Back in trouble? What a short memory! These troubles are NOTHING compared to the rubbish we've been dealt in the last few years. Anyone expecting the new regime to be perfect is naive, anyone who sees problems as the beginning of the end even more so. You will never have a club that you agree with every aspect of, unless you buy your own, so stop worrying about things that really don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Back in trouble? What a short memory! These troubles are NOTHING compared to the rubbish we've been dealt in the last few years. Anyone expecting the new regime to be perfect is naive, anyone who sees problems as the beginning of the end even more so. You will never have a club that you agree with every aspect of, unless you buy your own, so stop worrying about things that really don't matter. I wasn't bothered when it was just one thing but the list seems to be getting longer, what was the last thing we heard from on high that wasn't a PR screw up? It all starts somewhere and while I agree we were much worse off this time last year it still worries me that the new man doesn't seem to care what people think of him or his decisions which reminds me far to much of the last chairman for comfort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_No_7 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Let's hope that if it's a sash kit it's available in both left and right shoulder versions, just as in 1885. it was just dependent on what shoulder the individual player decided to drape the sash over, i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Of the other kits featured in that video the only one that would make sense is the sash one. The rest would seem to be really random if used to commemorate 125 years. Having said that I wouldn't mind the 92-95 one. I would actually find it very funny if they used the last kit in the video as the anniversary kit though 92-95? That period had 2 kits - the Admiral one and the Dimplex Pony one. Both these kits were gash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 I don't like to think it yet alone say it but if Mr Lowe had been responsible for half the **** ups in the last month then there would have been fans on the streets. Ok the club have decided an installment plan is too expensive, they have had all season to make this decision why only announce it now after every other club in the country has had tickets on sale for months? Surely we could have announced it earlier so poeple could plan ahead, sucked up the cost for a last season of the installment plan or asked people to pay an extra 10% for the installment option? The match day pricing structure is odd and confusing once you put the booking charge in place and for the small sums of money involved just seems designed to leave a bad taste in the mouth. The badge is a joke on a par with the statue fiasco, it looks sub primary school standard and even if it was designed for free by one of the tea ladies it should have been rejected. I'm now expecting the aniversary kit to be a joke and the Ted Bates trohpy to be contested against the reserves. I'm begining to get the feeling our club is back in trouble and I don't like it. I am guessing you are a pessimist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Jesus you lot are a bunch of moaning minnies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Cortese may well be holding a gun to my head with the £3 ticket tax, but i'll recoup this rip off by not buying the new shirt, or any other extras such as programmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Cortese may well be holding a gun to my head with the £3 ticket tax, but i'll recoup this rip off by not buying the new shirt, or any other extras such as programmes. Do you not know anyone in Southampton that can buy tickets for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideofthesouth Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 (edited) Long and short of it is that I've got savings too, but it's going to get spent on one-off "life" stuff that's due by July, along with some other unavoidable expenditure due to my house sale falling through, before Saints have a chance of getting hold of £328 of it. And I already have a 0% credit card. As for finding £80 for two new kits... :cool: Edited 2 June, 2010 by prideofthesouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Do you not know anyone in Southampton that can buy tickets for you? Yes, but it's a hassle. I ring up the club, give them the card details, and have them posted to the door. I'm not going to change how I buy tickets but the club can wave good bye to the £40 I was going to spend on the new shirt and they can wave goodbye to any other money i'd have spent in the club shop, and they can wave good bye to me buying a programme. You're probably only talking £100 a season in extra's tops, but that saving will pay for the ticket tax. Also I'll do less home games because I no longer feel behind the new owners and therefore the good will and loyalty has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Yes, but it's a hassle. I ring up the club, give them the card details, and have them posted to the door. I'm not going to change how I buy tickets but the club can wave good bye to the £40 I was going to spend on the new shirt and they can wave goodbye to any other money i'd have spent in the club shop, and they can wave good bye to me buying a programme. You're probably only talking £100 a season in extra's tops, but that saving will pay for the ticket tax. Also I'll do less home games because I no longer feel behind the new owners and therefore the good will and loyalty has gone. Are you throwing a tantrum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Back in trouble? What a short memory! These troubles are NOTHING compared to the rubbish we've been dealt in the last few years. Anyone expecting the new regime to be perfect is naive, anyone who sees problems as the beginning of the end even more so. You will never have a club that you agree with every aspect of, unless you buy your own, so stop worrying about things that really don't matter. Not sure we are "in trouble" But something is starting to NOT add up here .. I have no idea what it is but a few things seem odd, the fact the people & team that usually sort all this ticket business out are as in the dark as us worry's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Not sure we are "in trouble" But something is starting to NOT add up here .. I have no idea what it is but a few things seem odd, the fact the people & team that usually sort all this ticket business out are as in the dark as us worry's me. I think you need to get out more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Are you throwing a tantrum! Yes I am. But i'll make sure I cut back on spending on superfluous extras to recoup the cost of the stealth tax on tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Yes, but it's a hassle. I ring up the club, give them the card details, and have them posted to the door. I'm not going to change how I buy tickets but the club can wave good bye to the £40 I was going to spend on the new shirt and they can wave goodbye to any other money i'd have spent in the club shop, and they can wave good bye to me buying a programme. You're probably only talking £100 a season in extra's tops, but that saving will pay for the ticket tax. Also I'll do less home games because I no longer feel behind the new owners and therefore the good will and loyalty has gone. Good Riddance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Never has so much rubbish been spouted by so many people over so little. Hopefully we will start to have some real news to argue over. By the way I agree that STs should continue to available under instalments for those fans who cannot afford one otherwise and I will be writing to Mr Luker privately along those lines. However even though I do not need to use it I do not see it as a reason to anyone to abandon SFC as there are other avenues of payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 So you might be forgiven for not understanding how annoying it is for the club to withdraw a facility they've always previously provided at St Mary's with 30 minutes' notice, leaving a significant number of people having to make alternative arrangements in order to continue to give their money to the club then ? Stop moaning! You don't give the club your money for nothing. In return you get the same seat in your preferred location for every league game at SMS (at a discounted price) Does your local cinema give you a payment plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Yes I am. But i'll make sure I cut back on spending on superfluous extras to recoup the cost of the stealth tax on tickets. Perhaps if you had cut back on other SUPERFLUOUS EXTRAS in your life you would have enough money to buy your season ticket! Oh go on, now tell me you are living on the breadline and don't waste money on anything else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 I don't care what the shirt is as long as it's red and white stripes and black shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Stop moaning! You don't give the club your money for nothing. In return you get the same seat in your preferred location for every league game at SMS (at a discounted price) Does your local cinema give you a payment plan? For a cineworld pass its a monthly fee so I would say Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 2 June, 2010 Share Posted 2 June, 2010 Stop moaning! You don't give the club your money for nothing. In return you get the same seat in your preferred location for every league game at SMS (at a discounted price) Does your local cinema give you a payment plan? actually yes they do now you can pay 16 a month here & can go as often as you like!! so umm in answer to your question Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 So do we expect to see the kit tomorrow? they said in the next few days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 So do we expect to see the kit tomorrow? they said in the next few days... or today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 or today I've also got a hunch it'll be today but also feel there may be some other news with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I've also got a hunch it'll be today but also feel there may be some other news with it. I would agree - best way to launch a new kit would be to have a new player with it. Maybe 2 new signings? One with the home, one away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 (edited) I don't care what the shirt is as long as it's red and white stripes and black shorts. Why black shorts? In the 65 years between 1885 and 1950 the club didn't have black shorts. That is over 50% of the clubs existence without black shorts!!! What colour socks do you want"? Saints socks have been blue, black, white, red, red & white, with no one style dominating the rest in terms of frequency. Edited 3 June, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 Why black shorts? In the 65 years between 1885 and 1950 the club didn't have black shorts. That is over 50% of the clubs existence without black shorts!!! What colour socks do you want"? Saints socks have been blue, black, white, red, red & white, white with no one style dominating the rest in terms of frequency. I am really hoping for a sash shirt, mainly to enjoy just how angry it will make docker-p! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I am really hoping for a sash shirt, mainly to enjoy just how angry it will make docker-p! I too want a sash kit - this kit is a celebration/anniversary kit and should not just be the same as kits we’ve had the last few years. The sash kits mocked up on here look great imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 Maybe the will announce it today to give people on here the chance to moan about it not being stripes and stop them moaning about the season tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I would agree - best way to launch a new kit would be to have a new player with it. Maybe 2 new signings? One with the home, one away? why not go the whole way? 3 new signings - 1 in home kit, 1 in the away and 1 in the new training gear. sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I predict today at 2.15pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I predict today at 2.15pm Friday. Things ALWAYS happen on a Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I predict once the Daily Echo has printed it's first edition for the morning so they have to wait 24 hours before they can publish it. So another 10.30- 11-00pm jobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I predict once the Daily Echo has printed it's first edition for the morning so they have to wait 24 hours before they can publish it. So another 10.30- 11-00pm jobby. I did wonder if the season tickets were announced on the OS at 11pm for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 I did wonder if the season tickets were announced on the OS at 11pm for that reason. Haha, that makes sense actually. That was an up yours to the echo lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 Haha, that makes sense actually. That was an up yours to the echo lol the Echo could always put it on their website. I reckon 12pm today for the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 AND HERE IT IS, AS MODELLED BY ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 Stop moaning! You don't give the club your money for nothing. In return you get the same seat in your preferred location for every league game at SMS (at a discounted price) Does your local cinema give you a payment plan? Used to, yeah. Cineworld Unlimited card. It was £10 a month to go as often as I liked back in 2000-ish. Decent value, affordable, I didn't have a bunch of unavoidable financial commitments and there wasn't a recession on. It was a good idea when my local cinema was a top-level 13-screener, but I don't go any more. Southampton's Cineworld is not the highest standard and has only 4 screens - meaning my chances of seeing lots of good, high quality stuff for my up front payment is limited by the likelihood of those films appearing. You might get the odd blockbuster but mostly it'll be average fare. Also, there are cheaper ways of watching films nowadays which don't involve being exploited by cinemas on a film-by-film basis, with all their daft booking fees and exploitative pricing schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 There is a possibility that we may have to wait longer than we are all thinking. If you look at the online store you will notice that the 50% offer on keepers kits, away kit expires on 12th June. In fact all 50% off's bar the home kit finish on 12th June with the home kit finishing on 30th June. Now I am not saying that this is a dead cert, but could these dates be closer to the release date of the home kit? Whilst the article on the OS says it would be released in the next few days could something (such as many have suggested a big name signing) be delaying things until next week at the earliest? Hmmmmmmm (FWIW I would expect it this week but if it turns up next week then I definatly said it would be next week. Or the week after) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 (edited) On the ST issue I feel that Nicola has displayed a typical banker's approach. If you have the money, then come on in and give it to us NOW. If you are less fortunate or not quite so good at budgetting then (rubs hands together) we have you by the balls. It's as if he has decided that a large section of his customer base is not credit worthy, amd hence shall be fleeced. Unfortunately as fans we can't simply choose another club but he may be relying a little too heavily on people's loyalties with this one I fear. Nicola, we are not CUSTOMERS, we are FANS, you need to learn the differences and you need to learn them quickly. Note I am not and have never been a ST holder, however soe of my best friends are. On the shirt issue, I am sure i'm not alone in having wanted to show off my new shirt on holiday. Ironically some people will have already spent their ST and shirt fund on their holidays already. WShen is the Solent Fans Forum anyway? Edited 3 June, 2010 by hamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 There is a possibility that we may have to wait longer than we are all thinking. If you look at the online store you will notice that the 50% offer on keepers kits, away kit expires on 12th June. In fact all 50% off's bar the home kit finish on 12th June with the home kit finishing on 30th June. Now I am not saying that this is a dead cert, but could these dates be closer to the release date of the home kit? Whilst the article on the OS says it would be released in the next few days could something (such as many have suggested a big name signing) be delaying things until next week at the earliest? Hmmmmmmm (FWIW I would expect it this week but if it turns up next week then I definatly said it would be next week. Or the week after) The Saints OS said yesterday... The 2010/11 strip will celebrate the Club's 125th Anniversary and will be announced in the next few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 There is a possibility that we may have to wait longer than we are all thinking. If you look at the online store you will notice that the 50% offer on keepers kits, away kit expires on 12th June. In fact all 50% off's bar the home kit finish on 12th June with the home kit finishing on 30th June. (FWIW I would expect it this week but if it turns up next week then I definatly said it would be next week. Or the week after) Interestingly the 50% off deals were originally scheduled to expire on May 30th, that's changed in the last two weeks (presumably in response to May 30th passing). All that tells me is that the person in charge of the kit launch date isn't telling the online reduction monkey anything useful. What. A. Surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 3 June, 2010 Share Posted 3 June, 2010 Interestingly the 50% off deals were originally scheduled to expire on May 30th, that's changed in the last two weeks (presumably in response to May 30th passing). All that tells me is that the person in charge of the kit launch date isn't telling the online reduction monkey anything useful. What. A. Surprise. I'd expect them to continue extending the date until they've sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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