Cameron scrutinised by Paxman

[Lord Duckhunter]

The massive waste in public spending should be addressed before they take any more money out of the hard working tax payer's pockets.

 

Stop WFTC for middle earners

Stop Child Benefit for Middle and High earners.

Charge people who can afford it £5 to see the Doctor

Stop wasting our money on Govt information and advertisments.

 

 

There is a perfectly valid arguement for reducing tax rates to stimulate the economy, but the lefties and the BBC (like with the immigration issue) closed it down. "How many nurses will you get rid of with the X amount you're taking out of the economy with this tax break" is the line every time.

 

If you let the people keep more of their money through tax cuts, the people will start to spend more.This in turn will mean that the areas that they spend more in, whether it be pubs, restraunts, shops, Supermarkets, travel agents, or whatever, need to take on more people because of the increased demend.More goods are bought and therefore more need manufacturing. The people taken on due to the increased demend, pay tax and also start to spend more of their money than before, and this circle goes on and on, up and up.

 

It is a fact that more money was going into the public revenue after Mrs Thatcher brought the basic rate of tax down from Labours 33% basic rate. Why was that? Because tax cuts work in the way described above.

 

The lefties answer to any economic problem is tax rises, yet every Labour Govt ends up running out of money.

[OldNick]

The massive waste in public spending should be addressed before they take any more money out of the hard working tax payer's pockets.

 

Stop WFTC for middle earners

Stop Child Benefit for Middle and High earners.

Charge people who can afford it £5 to see the Doctor

Stop wasting our money on Govt information and advertisments.

 

 

There is a perfectly valid arguement for reducing tax rates to stimulate the economy, but the lefties and the BBC (like with the immigration issue) closed it down. "How many nurses will you get rid of with the X amount you're taking out of the economy with this tax break" is the line every time.

 

If you let the people keep more of their money through tax cuts, the people will start to spend more.This in turn will mean that the areas that they spend more in, whether it be pubs, restraunts, shops, Supermarkets, travel agents, or whatever, need to take on more people because of the increased demend.More goods are bought and therefore more need manufacturing. The people taken on due to the increased demend, pay tax and also start to spend more of their money than before, and this circle goes on and on, up and up.

 

It is a fact that more money was going into the public revenue after Mrs Thatcher brought the basic rate of tax down from Labours 33% basic rate. Why was that? Because tax cuts work in the way described above.

 

The lefties answer to any economic problem is tax rises, yet every Labour Govt ends up running out of money.

I would resent paying to see a doctor.

[View From The Top]

Define "Middle Earners".

[OldNick]

Define "Middle Earners".

it is like defining poverty or what is being rich, everyone sees it differently I suspect

[View From The Top]

it is like defining poverty or what is being rich, everyone sees it differently I suspect

 

Since he's posed the proposition I'd like to know what he means by "Middle Earners".

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

The left are control freaks - thats why we have all the CCTV cameras and the constant form filling and bureaucracy. They want to interfere in every element of your life, what you eat, what you drink, they will soon decide when we put our children to bed. Tax is an important part of that control.

 

Underpinning this control is their sense of their own right. That is why the catholic church can be ridiculed by the foreign office but you can be arrested if you child has a golly wog teddy bear.

[Johnny Bognor]

Underpinning this control is their sense of their own right. That is why the catholic church can be ridiculed by the foreign office but you can be arrested if you child has a golly wog teddy bear.

 

I have wondered what would happen if a senior muslim cleric had been ridiculed in the same way.......

[dune]

The left are control freaks - thats why we have all the CCTV cameras and the constant form filling and bureaucracy. They want to interfere in every element of your life, what you eat, what you drink, they will soon decide when we put our children to bed. Tax is an important part of that control.

 

Underpinning this control is their sense of their own right. That is why the catholic church can be ridiculed by the foreign office but you can be arrested if you child has a golly wog teddy bear.

 

Spot on. They banned fox hunting because they wanted it banned despite 59% saying keep hunting. Labour and their supporters have one almighty chip on their shoulders and all the ban was about was rubbing countryside peoples noses in it.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I would resent paying to see a doctor.

 

Do you pay for prescriptions? What's the difference?

 

The French are a bunch of Lefties and yet they pay to see a Doctor, and claim a % back later.

 

There is no great difference in the quality of care between private and public hospitals in France and there is not necessarily any great difference in price. Being treated in private clinics in France does not mean avoiding waiting lists for the simple reason that, with a few specific exceptions, waiting lists such as those in the UK do not exist. And going private does not mean you will have to foot the entire bill.

 

Unlike in the UK in France treatment, whether private or public, is not free at the point of delivery. Even if you subscribe to the Sécurité sociale, on seeing a doctor you first pay the full bill and are then reimbursed at a later date (about 10 days). Generally speaking, Sécurité sociale refunds 70 per cent of the cost of a visit to a a GP or family doctor and most specialistes.

 

If those bunch of militant lefties dont mind paying for a decent health service, why cant we?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Spot on. They banned fox hunting because they wanted it banned despite 59% saying keep hunting. Labour and their supporters have one almighty chip on their shoulders and all the ban was about was rubbing countryside peoples noses in it.

 

To their eternal shame they spent 700 hours debating this and som ething like 7 hours discussing the war in Iraq. It sums up their moral bankrupcy. Sadly it disenfranchised alot of people across the country.

[ecuk268]

Do you pay for prescriptions? What's the difference?

 

If those bunch of militant lefties dont mind paying for a decent health service, why cant we?

 

I thought the ruling party in the French Assembly was the UMP - a centre-right party, although I believe the the Senate is a coalition. True, the french unions are strong but maybe that's why they have 1st class health and education.

[ecuk268]

Spot on. They banned fox hunting because they wanted it banned despite 59% saying keep hunting. Labour and their supporters have one almighty chip on their shoulders and all the ban was about was rubbing countryside peoples noses in it.

 

Don't know where you get your figures from but a MORI poll in Oct '09 found 75% wanted the legislation to remain.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I thought the ruling party in the French Assembly was the UMP - a centre-right party, although I believe the the Senate is a coalition. True, the french unions are strong but maybe that's why they have 1st class health and education.

 

The French people are generally lefties, and pretty militant ones at that.

 

We have leftie tax rates, without the decent services that they have .

[jeff leopard]

"that ship was a danger to our boys, that is why that ship was sunk"

 

I can tell you from the people I have met in my time in the RN that were in the falklands conflict (i have met shed loads) all of them. every single one of them say it was the correct thing to do and potentially saved hundreds more lives (for us)

 

Why do people keep bleating on about the Falklands? Jesus.

 

One interesting(ish) thing is that the Genral Belgrano used to be called The Lucky Ship as I think it was the only one to survive Pearl Harbour undamaged. Thanks QI.

 

 

Patriotism is a dirty politically incorrect word to the Lefties.

 

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

 

Nationalist parties from the Nazi's to the National Front had patriotism coming out of their ya-ya's, that didn’t stop them from being enemies of humanity though.

 

Patriotism isn’t a terrible thing, by and large, but all too often it comes attached to a vision of a white/pure England, and that's for retards. We all know England is a mongrel nation.

 

I've never really seen myself as patriotic, but if I was it would be for a truly multicultural & multifaith nation.

 

But I think of myself as Northern European, or at a push, British (unless its sports related).

[bridge too far]

The French people are generally lefties, and pretty militant ones at that.

 

We have leftie tax rates, without the decent services that they have .

 

I can't see any indication as to the date this was published:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

 

I don't know which of the countries included in the table you would consider to be 'leftie'.

 

It seems to me our tax is about average.

[View From The Top]

I have wondered what would happen if a senior muslim cleric had been ridiculed in the same way.......

 

I pretty sure our 4th Estate have had hours of hilarity with their portrials of Muslim clerics.

 

It's Mohammed they are coy about.

[View From The Top]

Do you pay for prescriptions? What's the difference?

 

The French are a bunch of Lefties and yet they pay to see a Doctor, and claim a % back later.

 

There is no great difference in the quality of care between private and public hospitals in France and there is not necessarily any great difference in price. Being treated in private clinics in France does not mean avoiding waiting lists for the simple reason that, with a few specific exceptions, waiting lists such as those in the UK do not exist. And going private does not mean you will have to foot the entire bill.

 

Unlike in the UK in France treatment, whether private or public, is not free at the point of delivery. Even if you subscribe to the Sécurité sociale, on seeing a doctor you first pay the full bill and are then reimbursed at a later date (about 10 days). Generally speaking, Sécurité sociale refunds 70 per cent of the cost of a visit to a a GP or family doctor and most specialistes.

 

If those bunch of militant lefties dont mind paying for a decent health service, why cant we?

 

I'm still awaiting your answer regarding Middle Earners.

[View From The Top]

Don't know where you get your figures from but a MORI poll in Oct '09 found 75% wanted the legislation to remain.

 

Not in rural Rutland where Stanley lives.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Spot on. They banned fox hunting because they wanted it banned despite 59% saying keep hunting. Labour and their supporters have one almighty chip on their shoulders and all the ban was about was rubbing countryside peoples noses in it.

 

Nothing to do with animal welfare then Stanley? got any facts to back up your poll figures? or are you just posting made up stuff from your favourite rag again.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

You get muddled up with Jingoism Jeff Leppard. It must be strange to think of yourself as North European because os few other people do.

 

I care about my family first, then my village, then my city (where Southampton comes in) then my county, then my region then my country, then Australia, New Zealand and Canada and then America (with the exception of the Ryder Cup) and then Europe.

Edited 26 April, 2010 by Sergei Gotsmanov

[Lord Duckhunter]

I'm still awaiting your answer regarding Middle Earners.

 

We have the poor, the rich and people in the middle.

 

In my opinion only the poor should get WFTC. It's basically welfare and yet you can be a 40% tax payer and still claim Child Benefit and WFTC. How can that be right?

 

 

As for your tax post and your table of European taxes, you seem to be basing our "about average" standing on the 3 categorys. One of which is maximum tax rate. can I remind you this is going up from 40%, to 50%. Does that still makes us "about average"?

 

We have one of the highest fuel duties and yet our roads are a disgrace, why is that?

 

If more tax was the answer to everything then Labours 33% basic rate of 1979, would have brought more money in than Thatcher's cuts.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I dont even care too much about the UK, the sooner the rest of them leave us English to run our own Country the better.

[View From The Top]

We have the poor, the rich and people in the middle.

 

In my opinion only the poor should get WFTC. It's basically welfare and yet you can be a 40% tax payer and still claim Child Benefit and WFTC. How can that be right?

 

So what salary are these middle earners that you mention? Are you saying that anyone on 40% tax shouldn't be entitled to any benefits?

 

 

As for your tax post and your table of European taxes, you seem to be basing our "about average" standing on the 3 categorys. One of which is maximum tax rate. can I remind you this is going up from 40%, to 50%. Does that still makes us "about average"?

 

 

Not me who has posted it.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Don't know where you get your figures from but a MORI poll in Oct '09 found 75% wanted the legislation to remain.

 

It depends how you phrase the question. I think that poll included fox hunting wioth badger baiting. There was a poll where 59% wanted to not see a ban or wanted regulation. I think your poll was comisioned by the LACS and the other one by the Countryside Alliance. Hardly neutral.

[dune]

It depends how you phrase the question. I think that poll included fox hunting wioth badger baiting. There was a poll where 59% wanted to not see a ban or wanted regulation. I think your poll was comisioned by the LACS and the other one by the Countryside Alliance. Hardly neutral.

 

Kate Hoey is chairlady of the Countryside Alliance. She's one of the few Labour politicians i've any respect for.

[View From The Top]

Stanley's preference would be for a black immigrant to be hunted by hounds by white country folk dressed in brown shirts.

[dune]

Stanley's preference would be for a black immigrant to be hunted by hounds by white country folk dressed in brown shirts.

 

There was a book we did in English at school that reminds of this comment, and no VFTT it wasn't Mein Kampf, about the conurbs and the suburbs. Does anyone know the name of this book as i'd like to read it again?

 

Edit: Found it, The Guardians.

Edited 26 April, 2010 by dune

[AndyNorthernSaints]

There was a book we did in English at school that reminds of this comment, and no VFTT it wasn't Mein Kampf, about the conurbs and the suburbs. Does anyone know the name of this book as i'd like to read it again?

 

Edit: Found it, The Guardians.

 

Why not try reading 'The Golly in the cupboard - Phil Frampton. You might learn something Stanley.

[dune]

Why not try reading 'The Golly in the cupboard - Phil Frampton. You might learn something Stanley.

 

What benefit do the snide remarks from yourself and VFTT bring to the debate?

[View From The Top]

What benefit do the snide remarks from yourself and VFTT bring to the debate?

 

Nothing snide Stanley. You are a repugnant NF follower who believes social Darwinism explains the white races superiority over the black races.

[TopGun]

What benefit do the snide remarks from yourself and VFTT bring to the debate?

 

I suspect as much as some of your lunatic diatribe Dune. Debate is a very loose word with you anyway as you just parrot your prejudices and ignore everyone else.

[dune]

I suspect as much as some of your lunatic diatribe Dune. Debate is a very loose word with you anyway as you just parrot your prejudices and ignore everyone else.

 

I put forward my opinion. You might not like it, but at least I try to engage in an adult debate. Anyway I realise that ANS and VFTT will keep spouting the same thing over and over so i'll just put up with it. It's no big deal and ultimately just makes them both look immature.

[View From The Top]

I put forward my opinion. You might not like it, but at least I try to engage in an adult debate. Anyway I realise that ANS and VFTT will keep spouting the same thing over and over so i'll just put up with it. It's no big deal and ultimately just makes them both look immature.

 

And going on NF rallies and spouting off how white people are superior makes you look what exactly?

[dune]

And going on NF rallies and spouting off how white people are superior makes you look what exactly?

 

You don't know what you're on about.

[View From The Top]

You don't know what you're on about.

 

No Stanley, of course I don't.

[dune]

of course I don't.

 

I'm telling you you don't. But you keep spouting your rubbish.

[OldNick]

And going on NF rallies and spouting off how white people are superior makes you look what exactly?

Can you put up where Dune said he did such things? I have never seen such comments

[bridge too far]

Can you put up where Dune said he did such things? I have never seen such comments

 

You mean someone might be saying something about someone that isn't true? :shock:

 

Blimey!

[dune]

Can you put up where Dune said he did such things? I have never seen such comments

 

Nick you have a PM.

[View From The Top]

Can you put up where Dune said he did such things? I have never seen such comments

 

Dune or Stanley as he was, has no issue telling you he went on NF rallies and I'm quite sure he confirms it in the BNP thread to save me searching others to find it.

 

As for the white supremacy thing, ask him about his views on social Darwinism, again he tries to broach the subject in the BNP thread.

 

Some of us have long memories regarding his previous posts under his old handle

[OldNick]

Nick you have a PM.

Id love to get one but my PM box is full with messages of goodwill from my Forum football team

[OldNick]

Dune or Stanley as he was, has no issue telling you he went on NF rallies and I'm quite sure he confirms it in the BNP thread to save me searching others to find it.

 

As for the white supremacy thing, ask him about his views on social Darwinism, again he tries to broach the subject in the BNP thread.

 

Some of us have long memories regarding his previous posts under his old handle

I do not condone such thoughts. If Dune believes that it does surprise me. Darling was a Marxist, doesnt mean he still believes what he said or did then.

Im sure we have all done/said stupid things...most of us men said I do Lol

[View From The Top]

I do not condone such thoughts. If Dune believes that it does surprise me. Darling was a Marxist, doesnt mean he still believes what he said or did then.

Im sure we have all done/said stupid things...most of us men said I do Lol

 

Amen to that!

[benjii]

And going on NF rallies and spouting off how white people are superior makes you look what exactly?

 

 

Can you try to stop spamming all the threads please?

 

Ta.

 

Dune may well be a grade A **** or he may be a lovely chap. I have no idea and I don't really care because whether he does or does not do what you accuse him of doing has little bearing on the debates. Some of the debates are interesting. Your constant digs are not.

[Lord Duckhunter]

So what salary are these middle earners that you mention? Are you saying that anyone on 40% tax shouldn't be entitled to any benefits?

 

 

 

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That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Patrick Bateman]

I can't see any indication as to the date this was published:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

 

I don't know which of the countries included in the table you would consider to be 'leftie'.

 

It seems to me our tax is about average.

 

Great table BTF!

 

I always thought Switzerland was supposed to be a tax haven!? Hence why Phil Collins and Lewis Hamilton ran off there ...

Switzerland 25% 45.5% 7.6%

 

So I'm confused, does this mean it's a haven for non-Swiss nationals as they don't have to declare their income if they live there??

Sorry if this seems a dumb question.