Big John Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 ....... but if any of you self rigteous cu*ts slating have lot have ever been to a football match and not shown any amount of passion, vitrol or aggression towards the away fans, players or referee especially in a game that means alot, then you are not a proper football fan..... My god you actually believe all that. Biggest pile of crock I've ever read. There's a difference between showing passion and a bit of banter and trying to attack someone over a game of football. Of couse if people didn't think violence at football matches was acceptable the police wouldn't be required and would have more resources and time to catch sex offenders and burglers. How many other criminals were getting away with it on that day becuase all those police we're required to watch over a bunch of grown men who couldn't be trusted not to have a ruck over a game of football. It's quite clear several posters feel a punch up at football is acceptable or even cool fine that's your right. Personally it doesn't turn me on and I can't have an sympathy for those involved if that makes me a self rightous **** I'll live with it. Agreed doddisalegend. That one (attempt at a) sentence is like saying, if any man has ever admired a pretty girl in a nightclub and not thought about raping her he is not a real man' Ironically, or perhaps not, people are saying that those in court aren't the actual die-hard holligans. Perhaps this is due to the hardest of the 'die-hards' are simply better at not getting caught, just like all the best burglars never get caught? Makes one wonder who they might be, these who happily start trouble but are nowhere to be seen when it really erupts, well not actuall not to be seen, ususlly they are there, just right at the back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 If you say is true then i salute you sir. but after all that, you really aint gotta clue. no..no clue at all... apart from having more life experience in my big toe than you, I have no clue..nope, NONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 (edited) Agreed doddisalegend. That one (attempt at a) sentence is like saying, if any man has ever admired a pretty girl in a nightclub and not thought about raping her he is not a real man' QUOTE] Of course its not like saying that you clown. What goes on in your mind and what sort of sick twisted logic is that?! The point is football is a passionate game and unforunatlely sometimes tribalism and testosterone take over. The simple fact is that at every derby in the world you will always get an element who will go looking for a ruck, like it or not. If the OB had adopted a common sense approach, kept the skates in, cleared the roads around the ground then the whole thing would have been avoided, rather than let it happen like they did. At the end of the day despite all you lot glamoursing it very little happened for the police to throw so much money and resource at it, like i said, if there hadn't been a media frenzy straight after (yes the police had a film crew following them around on the day FFS!!!) then The Riot of Freeborn Garage would be long forgotten. So your (attempt at) comparing being passionate at a football match to rape is pretty sick and twisted dont you think? Edited 25 April, 2010 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 In my opinion, you're only a proper football fan if you are aggressive towards other people who support the football team of their local area. Proper grown up football fans call each other names and throw things at each other. We need more fans who want to wait around after school the match to fight and shout names. Too many plastics on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 In the plume & feathers from 1pm.. & dont worry I'll soon spot you... Did he turn up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 In my opinion, you're only a proper football fan if you are aggressive towards other people who support the football team of their local area. Proper grown up football fans call each other names and throw things at each other. We need more fans who want to wait around after school the match to fight and shout names. Too many plastics on here. Couldn't agree more. Like some have said already on here Pompey are "the enemy" and we should never forget that. I'm not sure why they are "the enemy" but that really isn't important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Junction is actually a pretty dangerous guy, met him a few times and I wouldn't want to get on his wrong side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 That one (attempt at a) sentence is like saying, if any man has ever admired a pretty girl in a nightclub and not thought about raping her he is not a real man' The b!tches are all asking for it, anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Remember Life of Brian? Saints = Judean Peoples Front Pompey = Peoples Front of Judea (Splitters!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Couldn't agree more. Like some have said already on here Pompey are "the enemy" and we should never forget that. I'm not sure why they are "the enemy" but that really isn't important. if results work out there could be a cardiff v swansea play off game, perhaps some of you on here would like a trip down there to preach from your gospel of peace, and realise that two passionate football clubs don't just have a jolly nice time at the match, and oh well we lost lets go home for tea. where the hatred is as deep in rivalries like ours there is always going to be trouble. most of the points above are pointing out that football related offences carry punishments that are well out of proportion, we live in a country where people spend less time in jail for paedophile cases than for having a scrap at a match, crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 if results work out there could be a cardiff v swansea play off game, perhaps some of you on here would like a trip down there to preach from your gospel of peace, and realise that two passionate football clubs don't just have a jolly nice time at the match, and oh well we lost lets go home for tea. where the hatred is as deep in rivalries like ours there is always going to be trouble. There never used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 if results work out there could be a cardiff v swansea play off game, perhaps some of you on here would like a trip down there to preach from your gospel of peace, and realise that two passionate football clubs don't just have a jolly nice time at the match, and oh well we lost lets go home for tea. where the hatred is as deep in rivalries like ours there is always going to be trouble. most of the points above are pointing out that football related offences carry punishments that are well out of proportion, we live in a country where people spend less time in jail for paedophile cases than for having a scrap at a match, crazy not the point..the point is, people want to act like ****s, they should be prepared to deal with the afters.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Of course its not like saying that you clown. What goes on in your mind and what sort of sick twisted logic is that?! The point is football is a passionate game and unforunatlely sometimes tribalism and testosterone take over. The simple fact is that at every derby in the world you will always get an element who will go looking for a ruck, like it or not. If the OB had adopted a common sense approach, kept the skates in, cleared the roads around the ground then the whole thing would have been avoided, rather than let it happen like they did. At the end of the day despite all you lot glamoursing it very little happened for the police to throw so much money and resource at it, like i said, if there hadn't been a media frenzy straight after (yes the police had a film crew following them around on the day FFS!!!) then The Riot of Freeborn Garage would be long forgotten. So your (attempt at) comparing being passionate at a football match to rape is pretty sick and twisted dont you think? I dont think anyone is arguing that it would have been avoided had the pompy lot been kept in but thats not the point. Tribalism at football matches and people looking for a ruck should in this day and age be not welcomed. How come opposing fans of 2 rugby teams can sit in non segregated stadiums with the bar's open through the whole game, drink, shout, sing and argue the toss about what ever decission with minimal police pressence and have no gobby hoody looking for a riot but we cant do it in football? Just dont think its welcome any more and maybe heavier punishments for those that cause trouble is the way forward? As long as people behave this way there should be punishments that fit. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Glad to see nobody has gone over the top trying to claim that is was only kids as I know that at least 2 offenders are middle aged repeat offenders who see a scuffle as all part of the day out The courts have to take previous convictions into account on sentencing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 I dont think anyone is arguing that it would have been avoided had the pompy lot been kept in but thats not the point. Tribalism at football matches and people looking for a ruck should in this day and age be not welcomed. How come opposing fans of 2 rugby teams can sit in non segregated stadiums with the bar's open through the whole game, drink, shout, sing and argue the toss about what ever decission with minimal police pressence and have no gobby hoody looking for a riot but we cant do it in football? Just dont think its welcome any more and maybe heavier punishments for those that cause trouble is the way forward? As long as people behave this way there should be punishments that fit. IMO it isn't welcome, of course it isn't, but it happens. I just dont understand the logic from the police behind letting it happen, i thought they were there to prevent trouble not almost encourage it. The police dont let known peadophiles hang around outside school gates, do nothing except videoing them, let them do what they like and then nick them a few weeks later once they've committed an offence do they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 not the point..the point is, people want to act like ****s, they should be prepared to deal with the afters.. and the point is that people spend less time in jail for being a peodophille than they do for throwing a punch at football. Is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 and the point is that people spend less time in jail for being a peodophille than they do for throwing a punch at football. Is that right? who has..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 A paedophille football hooligan is the worst of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Bloody hell, there's some b*llocks being spouted on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 who has..? http://www.thestar.co.uk/rotherham/Paedophile39s-jail-sentence-cut.5915215.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=10 First case i found when looking at it, so didn't have to look to hard. 2nd time the guy had been convicted of sex crimes yet 2 years for a second conviction for the same thing was deemed to much and the sentance was reduced to 18 months. They are on about 2 years for the supposed riot at Freeborne Garage where a couple of people threw stones and rattled fences. Is that right in your eyes TDD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Glad to see nobody has gone over the top trying to claim that is was only kids as I know that at least 2 offenders are middle aged repeat offenders who see a scuffle as all part of the day out The courts have to take previous convictions into account on sentencing Good to hear paulwantsapint. I sincerely hope that these middle aged "hoodlums" are made an example of and sentenced to the maximum term. I know that that won't be very long, given the bloomin' PC nature of this country (we can't go around upsetting the criminals and pikeys can we?) but the best we can hope for is that they are badly bummed whilst inside. I hope their bumholes are really messed up by some proper criminals, teaching these wannabe hooligans a thing or two and making them live in the real world. Oh, and Deano6.....I did turn up, like I said earlier in the thread. I was a little delayed because I had some household chores to do and I ended up in an arguement with some chap at the tip, but I was there. Wagon85 wasn't there, or certainly didn't make himself known to me. Maybe he changed his mind once he saw me? I'm not suggesting this man is a coward, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 http://www.thestar.co.uk/rotherham/Paedophile39s-jail-sentence-cut.5915215.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=10 First case i found when looking at it, so didn't have to look to hard. 2nd time the guy had been convicted of sex crimes yet 2 years for a second conviction for the same thing was deemed to much and the sentance was reduced to 18 months. They are on about 2 years for the supposed riot at Freeborne Garage where a couple of people threw stones and rattled fences. Is that right in your eyes TDD? isnt 2 years the maximum..and who was on about it..does the judge past on here..? or the prosecution...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 isnt 2 years the maximum..and who was on about it..does the judge past on here..? or the prosecution...? 5 years is the maximum for violent disorder, which they have been charged with, they will get an automatic 6 year minimum football ban too. 2 years was mentioned higher up the thread as being the sentance they are looking at. So i'll ask again. In your eyes, is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 A paedophille football hooligan is the worst of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 5 years is the maximum for violent disorder, which they have been charged with, they will get an automatic 6 year minimum football ban too. 2 years was mentioned higher up the thread as being the sentance they are looking at. So i'll ask again. In your eyes, is that right? yes they are......a banning order is nothing compared to time inside.. if they get 5 years in prison then in todays liberal lefty let criminals off lightly UK (as you have shown) then we can only guess they deserve it...and MORE SO, have themselves to blame.. they should take what they get like men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 So, the disproportionality of the prosecution system is to blame now? Everyone knows that the law is an arse but that doesn't vindicate breaking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 yes they are......a banning order is nothing compared to time inside.. if they get 5 years in prison then in todays liberal lefty let criminals off lightly UK (as you have shown) then we can only guess they deserve it...and MORE SO, have themselves to blame.. they should take what they get like men They will get prison AND a ban. Anyone that is sent down for football related offences automatically get a minimum of a 6 year ban. So you think that a these guys deserve a longer sentance than someone who has been twice convicted of peadophillia? That is what you are saying is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 They will get prison AND a ban. Anyone that is sent down for football related offences automatically get a minimum of a 6 year ban. So you think that a these guys deserve a longer sentance than someone who has been twice convicted of peadophillia? That is what you are saying is it not? no, but that is the law.....still has nothing to do with them breaking it.. bet they wish they went home now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 They will get prison AND a ban. Anyone that is sent down for football related offences automatically get a minimum of a 6 year ban. So you think that a these guys deserve a longer sentance than someone who has been twice convicted of peadophillia? That is what you are saying is it not? Its suggested that someone is pushing for a 2 year prison sentance but no-where is this suggestion shown to be a fact. And I say again, if they are looking at a 2 year conviction for shaking a fence then they obviously have Borat's retard brother Bilo as there defence solicitor or the police have evidence of them doing more than shaking a bloody fence. The comparisons you have come out with your self should prove that a reasonable defence should be able to be put together to make sure they get nothing more than a slapped wrist for shaking a fence. If they get a heavier punishment than a Peado for doing nothing more than shaking a fence in front of the coppers then I agree the world has gone mad. But right now people are getting there pants twisted because of what the maximum punnishment is and because they think these idiots have just shook a fence. Some perspective is needed right now IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 5 years is the maximum for violent disorder, which they have been charged with, they will get an automatic 6 year minimum football ban too. 2 years was mentioned higher up the thread as being the sentance they are looking at. So i'll ask again. In your eyes, is that right? 2 years does seem extreme, but it'd be a detterent to others i'm sure you'll agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 They will get prison AND a ban. Anyone that is sent down for football related offences automatically get a minimum of a 6 year ban. So you think that a these guys deserve a longer sentance than someone who has been twice convicted of peadophillia? That is what you are saying is it not? The sentence and that of comparison sentences is irrelevant! Everyone knows what they did was illegal, so just because other sentences are disproportionate to the crime doesn’t mean a bloody thing... they still broke the law and they’ll be sentenced according to the law they broke!!! If your fact is right about paedophiles, yea, it’s not right a paedophile gets less time, but for me it only highlights the fact we need heavier sentences for paedophiles... not leaner sentences for football hooligans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Glad to see nobody has gone over the top trying to claim that is was only kids as I know that at least 2 offenders are middle aged repeat offenders who see a scuffle as all part of the day out The courts have to take previous convictions into account on sentencing Thats impossible because SRS says none of them have any previous and he is well ITK on all aspects of football hooliganism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 They will get prison AND a ban. Anyone that is sent down for football related offences automatically get a minimum of a 6 year ban. So you think that a these guys deserve a longer sentance than someone who has been twice convicted of peadophillia? That is what you are saying is it not? To be fair, at least pedo's are nice to children and give them sweets and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Thats impossible because SRS says none of them have any previous and he is well ITK on all aspects of football hooliganism. O.K Well it was not a single person who drinks in the usual pubs where the more 'casual' fans drink. That is a factomondo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2010 The sentence and that of comparison sentences is irrelevant! Everyone knows what they did was illegal, so just because other sentences are disproportionate to the crime doesn’t mean a bloody thing... they still broke the law and they’ll be sentenced according to the law they broke!!! If your fact is right about paedophiles, yea, it’s not right a paedophile gets less time, but for me it only highlights the fact we need heavier sentences for paedophiles... not leaner sentences for football hooligans! LMFAO When you get done for doing 35mph in a 30 zone I assume you will take your 2 years imprisonment on the chin then will you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 LMFAO When you get done for doing 35mph in a 30 zone I assume you will take your 2 years imprisonment on the chin then will you?? If the police were all visibly lining the road and pointing speed cameras at him while he did it, he'd have to be a ****ing dimwit who should accept the maximum punishment if he still did it. Just stop your crying and whinging on the subject. They can't give a higher punishment than was already publicly available. There's no news here. If a crime is punishable by up to 2 years and you knowingly and deliberately break it right in front of a policeman you have to be a complete imbecile to complain if you get two years. No offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2010 If the police were all visibly lining the road and pointing speed cameras at him while he did it, he'd have to be a ****ing dimwit who should accept the maximum punishment if he still did it. Just stop your crying and whinging on the subject. They can't give a higher punishment than was already publicly available. There's no news here. If a crime is punishable by up to 2 years and you knowingly and deliberately break it right in front of a policeman you have to be a complete imbecile to complain if you get two years. No offence. You always have so much opinion on the justice system in this country, more so than any other poster on here... ... quite ironic you don't even live in England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 You always have so much opinion on the justice system in this country, more so than any other poster on here... ... quite ironic you don't even live in England! He has got a point though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 To be fair, at least pedo's are nice to children and give them sweets and stuff. You're an utter wrong'un, like a fair few on here. Some genuinely think that a few years inside is fair punishment for what these lads did, which is what the debate is here, not whether or not they were stupid (which most agree on!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 You're an utter wrong'un, like a fair few on here. Some genuinely think that a few years inside is fair punishment for what these lads did, which is what the debate is here, not whether or not they were stupid (which most agree on!). IT is not right to do time..but hey ho, maybe they wished they went home...and MAYBE they may look closer to home for who to blame whilst derek is giving them some man love in the shower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 IT is not right to do time..but hey ho, maybe they wished they went home...and MAYBE they may look closer to home for who to blame whilst derek is giving them some man love in the shower Goes without saying they'll regret being hot-headed and stupid in-front of the cameras, that's fairly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 You always have so much opinion on the justice system in this country, more so than any other poster on here... ... quite ironic you don't even live in England! He understands and knows more about it than you do though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2010 He understands and knows more about it than you do though He seems to think it is fair that a sentance can be moved from an £80 fixed penalty and on your way to 2 years in prison and banned from every stadium in the UK for 3 years, simply because the location was near a football stadium. So this suggests he infact knows nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 He seems to think it is fair that a sentance can be moved from an £80 fixed penalty and on your way to 2 years in prison and banned from every stadium in the UK for 3 years, simply because the location was near a football stadium. So this suggests he infact knows nothing. If they get a custodial the minimum ban is 6 years which can be appealed back in Crown Court after 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 He seems to think it is fair that a sentance can be moved from an £80 fixed penalty and on your way to 2 years in prison and banned from every stadium in the UK for 3 years, simply because the location was near a football stadium. So this suggests he infact knows nothing. What offence are you referring to that normally is only met with an £80 fixed penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2010 What offence are you referring to that normally is only met with an £80 fixed penalty? Throwing a stone at someone when it causes no injury. Shaking a metal fence. Calling a police officer a c*nt Calling someone else a c*nt etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Throwing a stone at someone when it causes no injury. Shaking a metal fence. Calling a police officer a c*nt Calling someone else a c*nt etc etc I'm pretty sure none of those are actual offences. So what actual offences do you think the above acts would allow them to be charged with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 I'm pretty sure none of those are actual offences. So what actual offences do you think the above acts would allow them to be charged with? But that's kind of the point. The top two offences could be classed as anything from violent disorder (which is has been), to affray, down to something like threatening behaviour/Section 5 etc. All dependent on how much and in what way the police want to persue it - i.e because it was after a football match and not outside a pub on a Friday night for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Throwing a stone at someone when it causes no injury. Shaking a metal fence. Calling a police officer a c*nt Calling someone else a c*nt etc etc So what about the verbal threats to attack or kill people? Verbal threats to Police? Attempts to cause actual harm to other people? Im sure some of these translate into other offences which do carry the possability of custodial sentances even away from football stadiums. If all they did was what you are suggesting then the defence will have an easy job on there hands and it will be slapped wrists. My guess is the Police believe they did more than what you suggest and think they can get something out of it. I will be as hacked off as anyone if they did naff all but get time because of it but as plenty have already said, the law's are there, the public are aware of the law and the public had a choice on staying looking for trouble or walking away. No room for complaining now and specially as they have not been sentanced yet. Let them have there day in court and see what the defence and procecution come out with, then see if there punishment is in line with other similar offences or even fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 So what about the verbal threats to attack or kill people? Anyone who sings "get your father's gun and shoot the p**pey scum" should be sent down. Rattle fences and you should swing. Heinous crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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