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saintjay77

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So these lads are about to have their lives ruined because the OB didn't do their job correctly?

 

Seems fair....

 

The OB let both fans out at the same time, kept them apart outside and as far as I know no-body got seriously hurt. Nothing illegal and everyone had the chance to go home quickly and safley.

 

While it would have probably been better to keep them in like most of us would expect they didnt do anything illegal.

 

Idiots throwing things and trying to break down the seperation that the Police put in place and charging across car parks to get to places with better vantage points for trouble all in front of the Police in numbers who also had camera's does break a law and thats why its probably fair.

 

I couldnt get tickets for the game but after losing 4-1 to the skates in a game we dominated in large parts, the last person I would have wanted to see was a skate so would have got out of there as quickly and quietly as possible.

 

I will be amazed if any of them get 5 years or any time at all if they have done nothing more than shake a fence but if they get more I would hope the punishment fits the crime.

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saintjay77

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I seriously can't believe how utterly pathetic some of our fanbase were.

 

A few FACTS

 

1) None of those arrested are people who a regulary involved in disorder, they are normal fans / scarfers / clowns / whatever you want to call them who normally wouldn't get involved in disorder.

WTF does that matter? If a kid robs your gran for a dare or to look good in front of his mates and its his 1st time should he be let off or punnished accordingly?

 

2) NOBODY was injured.

Does it matter? If you attempt to stab someone should you be let off cause you missed?

 

3) Some of them are being taken to court for things as simple as shaking a fence.

If thats what they are being charged with they will get laughed out of court and given the taxi fair home. Dont be so nieve to think that its just cause a fence was shaken.

 

If you shook a fence anywhere else you might get £80 fine. If you threw a stone of plastic chair at someone, you might get an £80 fine...

If you did any of that in the street in a small group and was reported then fair enough. Do any of that in front of 200 police and CCTV at a local Derby trying to enflame the situation and its more serious.

 

Punishment should fit the crime.

Agree with that and I doubt any will get 5 years for shaking a fence.

 

Even if they are found guilty, they deserve no more than a banning order and a fine.

Depends what they may get found guilty of. Shaking a fence then fair enough.

 

Some of you on here calling for them to be put in prison for 5 years and the rest of their lives ruined are absolute c*nts of the highest order and just trying to come across all high and mighty from your PC.

 

I think your the one that is trying to make everything seem like its something else. We all knew it was going to be a hostile atmosphere and there would be shed loads of police. Still people took there kids and familys to what is a big football date on saints fans calendar. A bunch of idiots going the extra mile to get in the faces of the gloating skate mongs possibly starting off some pretty nasty action should be dealt with and if some examples need to be made then so be it. Maybe the next derby day we have people can keep within the law.

 

The risk eliment you speak of are probably well aware of bus routes to and from poopy so if they wanted to have it out with the fishy ones they would do it well out of the way of the OB.

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The majority of the fans in court are so because they have been found guilty by association. So of the 20 odd due before magistrates it only took one or two of them to throw a stone and the police have charged all of them with voilent conduct as opposed to each seperate offence. Totally wrong IMO, the punishment should fit the crime,and if some fan can get away with stamping on a Yeovil supporters head then the fact that these lot are facing up to 5 years inside is a joke.

 

I see your point and if I was in a group of idiots throwing stones or what ever I would still make it clear I have got naff all to do with it and make my way to somewhere else. If I still get pulled up by the old bill my day in court would still be a quick one as any CCTV with me in would show me trying to get out of the pack of idiots.

 

I would be amazed if any of the people in court get punished if there is not clear video evidence of them actually doing something wrong and I also would guess that the punnishment they get will suit there crime if any.

 

You cant get done cause you might have done something wrong.

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That is EXACTLY what they done DullDays.

 

Letting both sets of fans out at the same time and making no attempt to prevent disorder at any point throughout the day, instead sitting back and watching, armed with cameras.

 

Prehaps they thought grown men could be trusted to not try and kick each others heads in becuase they support different football teams?

 

Where does taking responsibilty for your own actions come into this then Stu? nobody forced these people to kick off they made that desicion for themselves or do the old bill have mind control powers now?

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Prehaps they thought grown men could be trusted to not try and kick each others heads in becuase they support different football teams?

 

Where does taking responsibilty for your own actions come into this then Stu? nobody forced these people to kick off they made that desicion for themselves or do the old bill have mind control powers now?

 

It was Saints vs Pompey ffs. Not saints vs Hartlepool on a tuesday night. Letting the skates out early was feckin stupid.

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Most of the trouble after the game couldve been avoided if the police had the common sense to keep the Skates inside until we had all gone home.Also i think the police were very heavy handed towards Saints fans after the game.

A special mention should go to the mounted police who seemed to take a great delight in pushing and shoving and threatening innocent fans who just wanted to go home.

I saw a lot of cases of fans not involved in any trouble wanting to get away from St Marys by walking back into town,but were then stopped and threatened with force if they didnt go the opposite way.

It was a total shambles from the start.

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I don't think 5 years is long enough for this sort of scum. People might not think they've done a great deal wrong, but the truth of the matter is these people, if out in society, will reoffend like the habitual criminals they are. Society would be a better place if they were sent away for as long as possible. Whilst they are in prison we will also benefit by them not being able to reproduce and have kids who would undoubtedly grow up to be trouble makers themselves. With such poor role models as parents, these offspring would be the sort to cause triuble at school, intimidate elderly people and rob shops to buy money for drugs. The world will be a better place without the children of these scum polluting the planet and ruining it for the rest of us. The law breakers who are going to get sent down deserve their punishment and should just accept it like men, not start whining and crying for their mummies. If they can't handle prison then they should think carefully before breaking the law. And if they can't control their idiotic behaviour, then, returning to my origianl point, maybe it would be best for everyone involved, them, their families and society as w whole, if they just topped themselves whilst in prison.

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I don't think 5 years is long enough for this sort of scum. People might not think they've done a great deal wrong, but the truth of the matter is these people, if out in society, will reoffend like the habitual criminals they are. Society would be a better place if they were sent away for as long as possible. Whilst they are in prison we will also benefit by them not being able to reproduce and have kids who would undoubtedly grow up to be trouble makers themselves. With such poor role models as parents, these offspring would be the sort to cause triuble at school, intimidate elderly people and rob shops to buy money for drugs. The world will be a better place without the children of these scum polluting the planet and ruining it for the rest of us. The law breakers who are going to get sent down deserve their punishment and should just accept it like men, not start whining and crying for their mummies. If they can't handle prison then they should think carefully before breaking the law. And if they can't control their idiotic behaviour, then, returning to my origianl point, maybe it would be best for everyone involved, them, their families and society as w whole, if they just topped themselves whilst in prison.
I don't think you believe this, I don't think you believe in anything anymore, life has become tedious for you, maybe you should slit your throat like the delinquants who rattled the fences.
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Well let me be the first to wish them all good luck, if it's a choice between Saints fans and the CPS then I hope all Saints fans unite.

 

As someone said, they went to war against the enemy and should get medals, not banning orders.

 

OK, I read this this morning and thought you were not worth the effort of a response.

 

"They went to war against the enemy"? What sort of planet do you live on, Stu? They were up for a fight, breaking the law, acting against all common decency. And you think its OK just because the others live 20 miles down the M27? jeez! If not that then what else? Becauise they are black/gay/moslem/don't live in Romsey/don't drink the same beer as Stu?

 

"they...should get medals"? What sort of planet do you live on, Stu? they should get what the laws decrees, Stu, because they are just drunk, dumb thugs.

 

Time you grew up a bit I think.

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I don't think 5 years is long enough for this sort of scum. People might not think they've done a great deal wrong, but the truth of the matter is these people, if out in society, will reoffend like the habitual criminals they are. Society would be a better place if they were sent away for as long as possible. Whilst they are in prison we will also benefit by them not being able to reproduce and have kids who would undoubtedly grow up to be trouble makers themselves. With such poor role models as parents, these offspring would be the sort to cause triuble at school, intimidate elderly people and rob shops to buy money for drugs. The world will be a better place without the children of these scum polluting the planet and ruining it for the rest of us. The law breakers who are going to get sent down deserve their punishment and should just accept it like men, not start whining and crying for their mummies. If they can't handle prison then they should think carefully before breaking the law. And if they can't control their idiotic behaviour, then, returning to my origianl point, maybe it would be best for everyone involved, them, their families and society as w whole, if they just topped themselves whilst in prison.

 

Congratulations on one of the most OTT posts i've ever seen on here. Does it make you feel good to write things like this from the safety of your computer?

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Just think most people behave in a responsible and non violent way and do not expect to see violence on the streets of Southampton

 

But let the Pxmpey scum and think they can do it in our city without a response?

 

Have you been to Fratton? Yet again the blue got what was deserved in our proud city

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And what? that automatically absolves a grown man from responsibilty from his own actions.

 

The point is that there would be more nutters out in force from both sets of fans = high chance of trouble. It's obvious the high percentage of fans would not get involved in trouble. keeping the skates in would've stopped all this happening. And if you can't work out the difference in a bitter derby game to any other game then you're not all there.

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The point is that there would be more nutters out in force from both sets of fans = high chance of trouble. It's obvious the high percentage of fans would not get involved in trouble. keeping the skates in would've stopped all this happening. And if you can't work out the difference in a bitter derby game to any other game then you're not all there.

 

I think prehaps you're the one not there if you can't see that these people decided to get involved of their own free willno one forced them to take the course of action they did. Blaming others is just normal these days though it's so much easier than accepting responsibility for your own actions.

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A young lad up my way (saints fan) got nicked that day and banned for the rest of the season-i saw the "incident" -Two opposing mobs exchanging verbals, followed by a swoop by Hampshire's finest and hey presto-the skates continued on their merry way, free to lob coins etc

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So

Are we saying that if pomepy fans were kept in for say, 30 mins after.. Then not one bit of trouble would have happened at all...?

 

Do people really believe that?

 

If P*mpey were kept in the ground for 30 minutes after then there would have been no trouble after the the game in the stadium area.

 

If the North Car Park was closed before the game then there would have been no trouble around the stadium before the game.

 

So out of the 40-odd arrests, there probably would have needed to be less than 10.

 

The Police set it up to make arrests because the Southampton youth was getting too big for them to cope with and they wanted to dish out banning orders to break them up... however all of the people who were on the police 'wanted' list were not stupid enough to get involved in anything around the ground, so they just ended up arresting a bunch of nobodies.

 

You do seem a bit naive.

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Just to add to that, another police set-up in my opinion was keeping the North Car Park open before the game.

 

I could not believe it when we walked to the stadium and were allowed to walk straight through the middle of the skates on the way to the Itchen North... police sitting back and videoing as Saints and Skates came into contact with each other and fights broke out.

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Naive I am not stu

 

But hey carry on blaming the police. That is naive

 

So. You agree that there would have been trouble somewhere (probably spread out) if they were kept in after the game?

 

So. These people who made a choice to stay behind and act the big man would have done so regardless of where the pompey fans (or should I say, the enemy) are

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I think prehaps you're the one not there if you can't see that these people decided to get involved of their own free willno one forced them to take the course of action they did. Blaming others is just normal these days though it's so much easier than accepting responsibility for your own actions.

 

What are you going on about? I'm not saying it's right ffs. These people don't think like you and me and the majority. Trouble at a game like that is cert and letting the away fans out after a 4-1 win was asking for trouble. if people are intent on causing trouble you do all you can to minimise it. I can see what you're saying though. They were in front of the police with CCTV and camcorders and fans filming/youtubing other evidence, so yes in that respect they are stupid people.

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Seriously they have video of a load of saints fans running at the poopy lot throwing things at them and inciting more violence and they are going to do some lad for shaking a fence.

 

At a guess..... and I could be wrong here....... but maybe, just maybe, they are doing him for something a little more than shaking a fence.

 

If thats all that he has done then the case will get laughed out of court and he will be a free man/boy very soon.

 

Don't take this the wrong way mate, but you seem to have a fairly minimal understanding of the law and the way our judicial system works, especially regarding charges such as affray and violent disorder. Worth having a read up on it sometime.

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Naive I am not stu

 

But hey carry on blaming the police. That is naive

 

So. You agree that there would have been trouble somewhere (probably spread out) if they were kept in after the game?

 

So. These people who made a choice to stay behind and act the big man would have done so regardless of where the pompey fans (or should I say, the enemy) are

 

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH

 

You are naive... have you not listened to anything I said?

 

The people arrested were not known trouble-makers, not a single one of them. NONE of them had been involved in football disorder before... they were Saints fans who got involved as an opportunist... walking out the stadium and joined in with a large crowd.

 

If the skates had been kept in they wouldn't have even gone in the Freeborn garage and would have walked home.

 

If they had kept the skates in after the game then there would have been very minimal trouble and NONE outside the stadium.

 

You are stupidly naive... let me tell you how it is normally done by every other police force in the land ( including ours up till this game )

 

- Away fans kept in for about 30 mins ( or however long it takes till the stadium area is clear )

- Coaches are escorted out away from the main crowds.

- Foot fans are escorted as one group directly to the train station.

- Away fans are escorted all the way back on the train to stop them coming back.

 

THIS is the process every constabulary follows as a minimum, with some having 'bubble games' .

 

Why didn't ours?

 

You are naive.

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What are you going on about? I'm not saying it's right ffs. These people don't think like you and me and the majority. Trouble at a game like that is cert and letting the away fans out after a 4-1 win was asking for trouble. if people are intent on causing trouble you do all you can to minimise it. I can see what you're saying though. They were in front of the police with CCTV and camcorders and fans filming/youtubing other evidence, so yes in that respect they are stupid people.[/QUOTE]

 

Which is why I have trouble mustering up any sympathy for them I'm afraid. We are talking about people wanting to fight over a game of football FFS. Could the police have handled better? Yes probably. Could these people have just gone home? yes they could but they choose not to now they have to live with that desicion.

 

If these people really couldn't help themselves, really couldn't just walk away after a game of football then their defence in court will be easy they can just plead diminished responsibility "sorry M'lord I couldn't help myself they was Pompey fans!"

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Don't take this the wrong way mate, but you seem to have a fairly minimal understanding of the law and the way our judicial system works, especially regarding charges such as affray and violent disorder. Worth having a read up on it sometime.

 

yeah ok. Ive never been in enough trouble to make it to court so my understanding is pretty good.

 

You see I know when I am doing something wrong and if I dont want to get arrested or fined I stop. Simple tac-tics that work.

 

The people going to court didnt think about there actions at the time and continued to do them in front of a couple hundred police with video camera's.

 

maybe you should point out to them the way our judicial system works as it seems they are the ones that need to read up on it.

 

Now if the procecution are going to stand there and tell the court that these mongs are here cause they shook a fence do you really think the sentance will be up to 5 years? If that really happens then I will join the army of "lads" and protest at the inijustice too.

 

For these people to be convicted of anything that deems a stretch inside the procecution will have to have evidence to prove they were doing more than shaking a fence. The police seemed pretty specific when they released pictures of who they want to speak too so I would have thought they believe they were worth getting hold of rather then a couple of idiots who thought it was a good idea to shake a fence.

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FFS, they WILL NOT get a jail sentence. If, as Stu has said, all they did was 'push a few fences', their 'clean' records will be taken into account. They'll end up with 3 year banning orders, and a fine, with a suspended sentence.

 

I think you might end up very surprised. I would imagine the fence shakers will get that, the stone throwers will get a couple of months inside of massive community orders and the punch throwers will get 2 years... IF the police push for custodials.

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I think you might end up very surprised. I would imagine the fence shakers will get that, the stone throwers will get a couple of months inside of massive community orders and the punch throwers will get 2 years... IF the police push for custodials.

 

If they get locked up I will buy you a pint. Forgot about the community service stuff, they can all have some of that with the fine and suspended sentence.

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Ah. Stu. The font of knowledge on all this hooligan related

 

As have said. Could not care less what some moron does after a game or before a game or what ever.

 

If people want to act the big man behind a fence then cry when the full force of the law comes down in them. Then good for them

 

It will not effect my day an I won't lose any sleep if they go down. Even if it means for their own utter stupidity

 

Me. I go to watch the football then go home. But if I was brain dead enough to give it te big one and act like a complete moron imj front of police with CCTV then I know I would take my punishment in the chin

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