StuRomseySaint Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 Any news on them? Alot of them went not guilty. Hopefully they all get off the charges as it wasn't really much to get nicked for. At least they all managed to get to Wembley.
Wiltshire Saint Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 Hopefull they spent the night in the cells and it was too much for them and they strung themselves up with their own shoelaces (if they were allowed to keep them - which hopefully they were)
Ponty Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 Looking for a rise again Stu? We don't pay him to be like this!
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Posted 21 April, 2010 In court next month IIRC. Well let me be the first to wish them all good luck, if it's a choice between Saints fans and the CPS then I hope all Saints fans unite. As someone said, they went to war against the enemy and should get medals, not banning orders. COYR's
Ponty Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 Stuart, you of all people should know better than to p*ss on the achievements of actual war heroes by comparing them to a bunch of stone throwing, scraggy w*nkers.
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 April, 2010 Author Posted 21 April, 2010 Stuart, you of all people should know better than to p*ss on the achievements of actual war heroes by comparing them to a bunch of stone throwing, scraggy w*nkers. I didn't say they should be given war medals. A Blue Peter badge maybe?
Thedelldays Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 I didn't say they should be given war medals. A Blue Peter badge maybe? maybe one of those pink ribbons doris's get for doing "race for life"
Bourno Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 (edited) I don't believe that they went to Wembley. I have been infomed that as part of the bail condition they have to attend their local police station whenever Saints play (home and away). I have also heard that they are most probably looking at a custodial sentences of a year of more. The authorities are determined to make an example of them. Edited 21 April, 2010 by Bourno
View From The Top Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 I don't believe that they went to Wembley. I have been infomed that as part of the bail condition they have to attend their local police station whenever Saints play (home and away). I have also heard that they are most probably looking at a custodial sentences of a year of more. The authorities are determined to make an example of them. My B-I-L is a DS on the case and yes, they are all going to be pushing for custodials.
oxfordshire_saint Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 I've heard that rather than a banning order the judge has ordered that for any football match they may attend in the future they must wear a t-shirt bearing the words "PWOPA NAWTY", so that we all know they are just that.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 They should be berated for being stupid.. An eternally classed as dickheads...
Jonnyboy Posted 21 April, 2010 Posted 21 April, 2010 I don't believe that they went to Wembley. I have been infomed that as part of the bail condition they have to attend their local police station whenever Saints play (home and away). I have also heard that they are most probably looking at a custodial sentences of a year of more. The authorities are determined to make an example of them. seems a bit harsh, no one was even hurt were they?
alehouseboys Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 seems a bit harsh, no one was even hurt were they? ...no but some fences got badly rattled...gotta be custodial...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 They were idiots. They knew this would happen if it all kicked off, yet they still went ahead and did it. Prats.
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 April, 2010 Author Posted 22 April, 2010 I don't believe that they went to Wembley. I have been infomed that as part of the bail condition they have to attend their local police station whenever Saints play (home and away). I have also heard that they are most probably looking at a custodial sentences of a year of more. The authorities are determined to make an example of them. They did go to Wembley, well some of them did I have heard. Also, the reason it has gone to Crown is because they went Not Guilty... I would say that's due to the images being very grainy CCTV images of which has next to no legs in court.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 I have also heard that they are most probably looking at a custodial sentences of a year of more. The authorities are determined to make an example of them. My B-I-L is a DS on the case and yes, they are all going to be pushing for custodials. Oppose to making an example/pushing for custodials of those caught stamping on the head of an opposing fan caught on CCTV ?? What kind of f8ked up system do we have that lacks consistency in these matters, is this to simply label the operation a success ? the success surely should be that 'violence' between opposing fans was minimal due to police tactics which should be commended, I am far from condoning their actions, partly because I remain unsure of what they actually did but to 'push for custodials' seems OTT, banning orders, fines etc.. but custodials ? you are found guilty of trying to look hard, take them down !! 10k a day at Crown Court, not what i'd call in the public interest
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 April, 2010 Author Posted 22 April, 2010 Oppose to making an example/pushing for custodials of those caught stamping on the head of an opposing fan caught on CCTV ?? What kind of f8ked up system do we have that lacks consistency in these matters, is this to simply label the operation a success ? the success surely should be that 'violence' between opposing fans was minimal due to police tactics which should be commended, I am far from condoning their actions, partly because I remain unsure of what they actually did but to 'push for custodials' seems OTT, banning orders, fines etc.. but custodials ? you are found guilty of trying to look hard, take them down !! 10k a day at Crown Court, not what i'd call in the public interest That is a very good point, the lads who stamped on the head of the Yeovil fan got suspended sentences. I very much doubt they are 'pushing for custodials' , sounds more like someone is trying to be ITK... Violent Disorder though carries a 5 year max sentence, which means they can do what they like, depends on the judge on the day. Because the cases will be high profile, they might look to set and example, I hope not though.
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Not condoning their actions, but this all smacks of unfairness. The Police and CPS can label the day a 'success' and use that in court (I assume) as evidence but the accused can't say "The whole day was a policing **** up by Hants Constab and it's their ****ing fault for letting the skates out at the same bloody time as the Saints fans!"
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 April, 2010 Author Posted 22 April, 2010 Not condoning their actions, but this all smacks of unfairness. The Police and CPS can label the day a 'success' and use that in court (I assume) as evidence but the accused can't say "The whole day was a policing **** up by Hants Constab and it's their ****ing fault for letting the skates out at the same bloody time as the Saints fans!" It was a setup from start to finish, and if the Police were honest with themselves, it wasn't a success. Their plan was to get enough evidence to wipe out Southamptons Casual and Youth elements... make loads of nickings and set an example. It is common knowledge that not a single 'risk element' was actually arrested and the ones that were arrested were just normal fans who got a bit over-excited... none of them have probably been involved in any sort of disorder before.
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 funny how the courts 'want to make an example of them' and then you have a business that patently seems to be defrauding the HMRC and many others allowed to go on trading after going to the High Court. Something is wrong.
Sour Mash Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 My B-I-L is a DS on the case and yes, they are all going to be pushing for custodials. Well tell him to do some proper police work.
Scudamore Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 It was a setup from start to finish, and if the Police were honest with themselves, it wasn't a success. Their plan was to get enough evidence to wipe out Southamptons Casual and Youth elements... make loads of nickings and set an example. It is common knowledge that not a single 'risk element' was actually arrested and the ones that were arrested were just normal fans who got a bit over-excited... none of them have probably been involved in any sort of disorder before. Well Danny Dyer obviously has a lot to answer for...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 It was a setup from start to finish, and if the Police were honest with themselves, it wasn't a success. Their plan was to get enough evidence to wipe out Southamptons Casual and Youth elements... make loads of nickings and set an example. It is common knowledge that not a single 'risk element' was actually arrested and the ones that were arrested were just normal fans who got a bit over-excited... none of them have probably been involved in any sort of disorder before. Exactly. Not one of them got nicked.
Prince Jazzbo Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 None of them went not guilty, none of them were given the opportunity to enter a plea. It was referrred straight to Crown Court, and the CPS are definitely pushing for custodial sentences for some of them.
Pedro Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 It went to Crown Court because they dish out more severe sentences than magistrates and definitely looking at custodial, one of the guys seeing his barrister today but why only about 14 being charged when hundreds took part. Doesn't excuse it but seems to show that an example is going to be made.
scott_saints Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Check out the latest Hampshire Constabulary magazine. http://www.hampshire.police.uk/NR/rdonlyres/827A6165-616A-428F-A805-36AB626C5247/0/Frontlineissue153.pdf They think they were a success....pmsl.
View From The Top Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 That is a very good point, the lads who stamped on the head of the Yeovil fan got suspended sentences. I very much doubt they are 'pushing for custodials' , sounds more like someone is trying to be ITK... Violent Disorder though carries a 5 year max sentence, which means they can do what they like, depends on the judge on the day. Because the cases will be high profile, they might look to set and example, I hope not though. If you'd like to check previous postings on the subject I'll think you'll find it's been mentioned, even before they went up in front of the beak. The prosecution route was mapped out before the event but what with you being a top lad 'n all you have your finger on the pulse.
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 April, 2010 Author Posted 22 April, 2010 If you'd like to check previous postings on the subject I'll think you'll find it's been mentioned, even before they went up in front of the beak. The prosecution route was mapped out before the event but what with you being a top lad 'n all you have your finger on the pulse. Even if they do push for custodials ( which I don't see how they are going to do if it is fair and consistant policing ) then they will be locking up scarfers who have never been involved in any football disorder and never would again. NONE of Southamptons 'risk' were nicked... so their plan on effectively inciting a riot by letting Saints and Pompey out together backfired as they didn't get anyone who was on their radar.
Langleysaint Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 None of them went not guilty, none of them were given the opportunity to enter a plea. It was referrred straight to Crown Court, and the CPS are definitely pushing for custodial sentences for some of them. Tosh , get back to work PRINCE!!!!
Prince Jazzbo Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Tosh , get back to work PRINCE!!!! I'm in touch with my feminine side, I can multi task..
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Even if they do push for custodials ( which I don't see how they are going to do if it is fair and consistant policing ) then they will be locking up scarfers who have never been involved in any football disorder and never would again. NONE of Southamptons 'risk' were nicked... so their plan on effectively inciting a riot by letting Saints and Pompey out together backfired as they didn't get anyone who was on their radar. It's a real shame, the play nearly worked. Better luck next time eh!
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 April, 2010 Author Posted 22 April, 2010 It's a real shame, the play nearly worked. Better luck next time eh! Yep, real shame. To be fair, locking the lads who done it up serves no purpose whatsoever, they were just naive Saints fans who obviously didn't think about the consequences of throwing missiles etc with OB stood in front of them filming. I am convinced it was all a setup though, why on earth would they let P*mpey out at the same time as us otherwise? It was absolutely 100% blatantly obvious what was going to happen... even a complete div would realise that. And when it was kicking off... why didn't they move in and nick people? Because they wanted as many people on video as possible and were happy to sit back and let it happen. Funny as f*ck that all they achieved out of it was nicking a load of face-painted goons. Good work Hants Constabulary, a great £1million or so of tax-payers money you spunked up the wall over a non-event.
tonibell Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Any news on them? Alot of them went not guilty. Hopefully they all get off the charges as it wasn't really much to get nicked for. At least they all managed to get to Wembley. Hi my mate Martin is one of them and he pleaded guilty to some silly charge(ffs he only shaked a metal gate/fence) and was sent to crown court on the 7th of May for sentencing and his bail conditions is not to go withen 200 meters of ST Marys or to attendant a Southampton football game, also to sign on at Park gate police staion at 2.45pm on a Saturday. He was not allowed to go to Wembley as he had to sign on at 1.15.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Saying it was a set up sounds too much like some dodgy conspiracy you'd see on a late night BBC3 programme, I think it was just their tactics but I do agree with Stu to an extent. None of the real trouble makers got nicked.
Prince Jazzbo Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Yep, real shame. To be fair, locking the lads who done it up serves no purpose whatsoever, they were just naive Saints fans who obviously didn't think about the consequences of throwing missiles etc with OB stood in front of them filming. I am convinced it was all a setup though, why on earth would they let P*mpey out at the same time as us otherwise? It was absolutely 100% blatantly obvious what was going to happen... even a complete div would realise that. And when it was kicking off... why didn't they move in and nick people? Because they wanted as many people on video as possible and were happy to sit back and let it happen. Funny as f*ck that all they achieved out of it was nicking a load of face-painted goons. Good work Hants Constabulary, a great £1million or so of tax-payers money you spunked up the wall over a non-event. Same reason they let Pompey walk down St Mary's Street in 2003, that didn't work either, and they actually escorted them down there.
Vershinin Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Hi my mate Martin is one of them and he pleaded guilty to some silly charge(ffs he only shaked a metal gate/fence) and was sent to crown court on the 7th of May for sentencing and his bail conditions is not to go withen 200 meters of ST Marys or to attendant a Southampton football game, also to sign on at Park gate police staion at 2.45pm on a Saturday. He was not allowed to go to Wembley as he had to sign on at 1.15. That is a disgrace. Talk about OTT, ****ing old bill. They enjoy picking on people who they know aren't really a problem.
darren1 Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 They cannot stop the skate fans leaving the stadium at any time or it's false imprisonment so that was never a tactic. I think at the end of the day they knew the score and consequences regarding trouble and the game's profile yet still chose to get involved.
Sour Mash Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 They cannot stop the skate fans leaving the stadium at any time or it's false imprisonment so that was never a tactic. I think at the end of the day they knew the score and consequences regarding trouble and the game's profile yet still chose to get involved. Of course the police can keep away fans in the ground ffs, happens at pretty much all big derby games. And the majority of those arrested probably didn't know the consequences, so that point is wrong as well.
saintjay77 Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Of course the police can keep away fans in the ground ffs, happens at pretty much all big derby games. And the majority of those arrested probably didn't know the consequences, so that point is wrong as well. Hang on, if they didnt know the concequences they deserve to be locked up for being thick as pig pooh anyway. Anyone who wants to throw things and charge around looking for any trouble at all while at a local derby game infront of 200 coppers can expect to get in trouble. SRS starts off this thread seeming to care about the poor lads that got set up to be in trouble yet also thinks they are face painted goons. There was no major riot and for a local derby with so much hatred its not suprising the police think it was a success. Thats the PR spin that you can expect from them though. IMO they should have kept one set of fans back and that was probably there biggest mistake. Maybe they were hoping to catch a few people thay had on there radar but I doubt they will lose much sleep on not catching them. If they are on the radar it will be for a reason and im pretty sure at some point in time they will get caught for something. The people who did get caught might think twice next time they are in a similar position which can only be a good thing.
Pedro Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Just been told that prosecution looking for 2 years for 97% of the offenders, however that is worked out.
Prince Jazzbo Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 They cannot stop the skate fans leaving the stadium at any time or it's false imprisonment so that was never a tactic. I think at the end of the day they knew the score and consequences regarding trouble and the game's profile yet still chose to get involved. Of course you can if its in the interest of public safety. Its no different to 'kettling' the tactic used by police at the Anti Globalisation rallies
Sour Mash Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 Hang on, if they didnt know the concequences they deserve to be locked up for being thick as pig pooh anyway. Anyone who wants to throw things and charge around looking for any trouble at all while at a local derby game infront of 200 coppers can expect to get in trouble. SRS starts off this thread seeming to care about the poor lads that got set up to be in trouble yet also thinks they are face painted goons. There was no major riot and for a local derby with so much hatred its not suprising the police think it was a success. Thats the PR spin that you can expect from them though. IMO they should have kept one set of fans back and that was probably there biggest mistake. Maybe they were hoping to catch a few people thay had on there radar but I doubt they will lose much sleep on not catching them. If they are on the radar it will be for a reason and im pretty sure at some point in time they will get caught for something. The people who did get caught might think twice next time they are in a similar position which can only be a good thing. No, the vast majority arrested would not have expected to be looking at 2 years in prison for a what most see as a fairly minor confrontation. They've been really unlucky in my opinion and I hope (but do not expect) that the British Justice system uses some common sense.
The Kraken Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 To be fair, locking the lads who done it up serves no purpose whatsoever, they were just naive Saints fans who obviously didn't think about the consequences of throwing missiles etc with OB stood in front of them filming. I find it impossible to have any sympathy whatsoever with someone who is, quite frankly, that f*cking stupid. There's naive, and then there's just plain brain-dead.
John B Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 No, the vast majority arrested would not have expected to be looking at 2 years in prison for a what most see as a fairly minor confrontation. They've been really unlucky in my opinion and I hope (but do not expect) that the British Justice system uses some common sense. If found guily they should be given the maximum term allowed. I dont want mob violence on the Streets of Southampton from a load of morons
Sour Mash Posted 22 April, 2010 Posted 22 April, 2010 If found guily they should be given the maximum term allowed. I dont want mob violence on the Streets of Southampton from a load of morons So you think potentially someone should get 5 years in prison for shaking a fence after a game of football? You're bonkers.
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