Rebel Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 That's the question a young Saints fan sat behind me in the Kingland asked his Dad after one of Rickies goals! I nearly choked on my goal celebration! Not by quite some way I blurted out - Rickie is good and could well become a Saints legend - but Matt was world class - and their is a big big difference! There is only one Le God for me! Channon and Paine aren't far behind though.
alpine_saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 A perfectly reasonable question if the lad involved isnt old enough to have seen Matt in his prime.
Toomer Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 It's all about education, should have told the kids dad to spend a few bob on a couple of DVDs so the youngster could see for his or herself.
scotty Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 A perfectly reasonable question if the lad involved isnt old enough to have seen Matt in his prime. well, theres a nice simple idea for the nipper's next birthday present; the magic of matt le tiss dvd. If hes still harbouring any doubts after seeing that, disown him
doddisalegend Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 My eight year old choose to have Matty's name on his number seven shirt instead of Lambert, he loves watching Matt's goals on youtube (I'm to cheap to buy the DVD:lol:) Sadly for my eight year old he doesn't play football like either of them which is why he gets to play rightback for his youth team.
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 That's the question a young Saints fan sat behind me in the Kingland asked his Dad after one of Rickies goals! I nearly choked on my goal celebration! Not by quite some way I blurted out - Rickie is good and could well become a Saints legend - but Matt was world class - and their is a big big difference! There is only one Le God for me! Channon and Paine aren't far behind though. Isn't this part of the school curriculum these days - whatever are they teaching our youngsters now?!?
Liquidshokk Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSsdfe4Z69g Says it all...... Havent seen anything of that class from Rickie YET. although admittedly he's scored some awesome freekicks. Connolly is the only one I've seen score goals like those in the link..... against Norwhich from the wing being one incredible example...
daveygwyatt Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 It's all about education, should have told the kids dad to spend a few bob on a couple of DVDs so the youngster could see for his or herself. agreed. first thing i did when my boys became interested in football was bring out the old video player and make them watch le tis... reinforced this with all the you tube bits i could find
amsterdam Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Not fit to lace Matty's boots A bit harsh! BUT Matty is my footballing hero and has given me so many brilliant memories. Also there's the obvious things about Matty playing his whole career at the top level and scoring loads despite not being a striker. One thing they share (and I hope Rickie inspires in the kids just starting to follow the Saints) is the feeling that while they are on the pitch, they can completely turn around the game in a couple of minutes - you always feel there is a chance to get something out of the game. I think Rickie seems a better role model; much as I love Le Tiss, he was a whinger when things weren't going his way, and he could look disinterested at times, constantly moaning at referees!
gaz Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 If he can keep up this form over the next 5 or so years for us, then he'll be held in similar regard as MLT. But Rickie's better now than Beattie was during his good run of form.
LGTL Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 I'm so thankful to my Mum and Dad for giving me the opportunity to see Matt in his prime!
Ohio Saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Just show the little twot matt's goal against arsenal as the swan song of the dell. If that doesn't make his heart bleed red and white, nothing will.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 I think because Matt has retired and he scored some vital goals at key times, we have rose tinted spectacles about him. Don’t get me wrong, on his day he was up there with the best in the world BUT…..he wasn’t as good as we remember. He was lazy. He sometimes went missing. He wasn’t as good in the air as Ricky. He did perform in the highest division but at a time when the league was of a much lower standard. Lets face it Dowie, Dryden and Neil Heaney also performed at the highest level at the same time. I think Ricky has played like a god this season and if he is able to do the same for another 4 or 5 years, in that time turn down a big money offer to say Villa (equivalent to spurs in the 90’s) then he will be up there with Matt, if not better.
Leicestersaint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 I think because Matt has retired and he scored some vital goals at key times, we have rose tinted spectacles about him. Don’t get me wrong, on his day he was up there with the best in the world BUT…..he wasn’t as good as we remember. He was lazy. He sometimes went missing. He wasn’t as good in the air as Ricky. He did perform in the highest division but at a time when the league was of a much lower standard. Lets face it Dowie, Dryden and Neil Heaney also performed at the highest level at the same time. I think Ricky has played like a god this season and if he is able to do the same for another 4 or 5 years, in that time turn down a big money offer to say Villa (equivalent to spurs in the 90’s) then he will be up there with Matt, if not better. I am sorry but some of this is plain bonkers - Le Tissier was world class - i remember the manager of Brazil saying he was the only England player who would get in the Brazil side. Just look at the video 'Unbelievable' to see the talent of MLT - I am a great admirer of Rickie Lambert but he is no where near as good as MLT. I would say that MLT is the best player i ever saw play live - and i saw Best, Charlton, Law, etc, etc.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 (edited) Both the same - maybe MLT would just edge it, cos of penalties and his tackling ability Edited 19 April, 2010 by Glasgow_Saint
Seany S Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Tell you what is nice...I live right opposite a little kiddies park and there are always lads playing football out there most days. Rather than wearing Man Yoo or Chelski kits, most of them have Saints shirts, and when they are playing you can hear them arguing about who is going to "be" Rickie Lambert or Adam Lallana. Just like when I was a lad, and we all pretended to be Tiss. Jumpers for goalposts stuff, but makes me feel proud to be a Saint!
david in sweden Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSsdfe4Z69g Says it all...... Havent seen anything of that class from Rickie YET. although admittedly he's scored some awesome freekicks. Connolly is the only one I've seen score goals like those in the link..... against Norwhich from the wing being one incredible example... Hey (that) Dad, Show your lad that video link and he'll get the best education ever.....:prayer:
Ohio Saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Er, hold on a moment. Has anyone noticed yet that Lambert is playing in the same division as Yeovil yet?
krissyboy31 Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 You could ask is "Rickie Lambert within a million miles of MLT?" The answer would still be NO! RLSGM is still a fine, fine player at this level, all the same!
revolution saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 I think because Matt has retired and he scored some vital goals at key times, we have rose tinted spectacles about him. Don’t get me wrong, on his day he was up there with the best in the world BUT…..he wasn’t as good as we remember. He was lazy. He sometimes went missing. He wasn’t as good in the air as Ricky. He did perform in the highest division but at a time when the league was of a much lower standard. Lets face it Dowie, Dryden and Neil Heaney also performed at the highest level at the same time. I think Ricky has played like a god this season and if he is able to do the same for another 4 or 5 years, in that time turn down a big money offer to say Villa (equivalent to spurs in the 90’s) then he will be up there with Matt, if not better. I disagree with this almost totally. I'd hazard a guess that even if Saints get back into the premiership, win the league, win the FA Cup and the champions league I will never see a better player than Matty. Lambert, if he stays, could and probably will become a great player for us and maybe a legend if he's lucky - if he gets us two promotions then there's not many that could boast that. Matt though was as close as you could get to a one man team and without him we would have been relegated much much earlier.
ericb Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Well i for one am expecting Xavi to come out in the press and say that Lambert is his football hero.
Cabrone Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 LOL. MLT was one of the most gifted players on the planet in his prime - comparing any player against him is pretty unfair. Rickie Lambert is doing a superb job for us and I'm really enjoying watching him smash the goals in........but comparing him (and > 99% of all other Saints players) to Le Tiss is crazy talk.
dronskisaint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Le Tiss is a god....you can't have too many on this earth at any one time. Ricky is building up to be a legend & I love the bloke (but nhot gheyly) & is one of the best players in this league & probably will be in the Championship. I agree that Matt is right up there with Best, Cruyff, Maradona when it comes to sublime talent...we were so lucky to have him play for us
Red&White Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 A bit harsh! BUT Matty is my footballing hero and has given me so many brilliant memories. Also there's the obvious things about Matty playing his whole career at the top level and scoring loads despite not being a striker. One thing they share (and I hope Rickie inspires in the kids just starting to follow the Saints) is the feeling that while they are on the pitch, they can completely turn around the game in a couple of minutes - you always feel there is a chance to get something out of the game. I think Rickie seems a better role model; much as I love Le Tiss, he was a whinger when things weren't going his way, and he could look disinterested at times, constantly moaning at referees! Yep totally agree :smt073
Tokyo-Saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 I don't need to watch the DVD as I was there. At that time I worked at the dell and went to every home game and many away. Matt was fantastic, all I'm saying is that he also has his weaknesses and wasn't fantastic every game or even every season. I think they are very different players. Ricky reminds me more or shearer, good in the air and a natural finisher. At that job he is nowhere near shearer but he does have a better touch, free kick an cross than him.
saint_stevo Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 le tissier scored 15+ goals from midfield in the premier league for a struggling side. Lambert has never played above league 1 ffs. Beattie is also better than lambert.
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Well i for one am expecting Xavi to come out in the press and say that Lambert is his football hero. What's happened to javi? Is he still stalking the youth team?
VectisSaint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 The answer to the original question is of course blindingly obvious to all on here. But thats not really the point is it? This is a young nipper, who is just starting his lifelong journey as a Saints fan (hopefully). When you're a nipper the players you see are your heroes. Rickie will never hold a candle to MLT in pure footballing terms. But then I come from a generation before MLT, and personally I consider Channon and Davies as better than le Tiss. Its subjective, but le Tiss came along at a time when football was not as big a part of my life as it was before or since. I recall taking my step-nipper along to see MLT on a few occassions, bigging him up only to be hugely disappointed with his showings, guess I just picked bad days. Depending on how old the nipper was I think a better comparison would be Beattie, similar sorts of players, brilliant with free-kicks and so on, and JB did the business in the PL, not the 3rd Division. But Lambert is class for the level he is at, probably too good, but I don't think he is good enough for the PL, and would struggle. Anyway, let the nippers form their own opinion and not try to influence them by ramming old DVDs down their throats, they will probably learn about that when the get a bit older. Heroes are for today, you can't make a retired player a hero for a kid.
Justbelieve Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 If he can keep up this form over the next 5 or so years for us, then he'll be held in similar regard as MLT. But Rickie's better now than Beattie was during his good run of form. Although Beatties run of form was in the premier league..... I think he produced a few crackers himself to be fair.. Chelsea and Sunderland away. Rickie is a fantastic player in the league - we will have to see how he handles the premier legue when we get there!
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 The answer to the original question is of course blindingly obvious to all on here. But thats not really the point is it? This is a young nipper, who is just starting his lifelong journey as a Saints fan (hopefully). When you're a nipper the players you see are your heroes. Rickie will never hold a candle to MLT in pure footballing terms. But then I come from a generation before MLT, and personally I consider Channon and Davies as better than le Tiss. Its subjective, but le Tiss came along at a time when football was not as big a part of my life as it was before or since. I recall taking my step-nipper along to see MLT on a few occassions, bigging him up only to be hugely disappointed with his showings, guess I just picked bad days. Depending on how old the nipper was I think a better comparison would be Beattie, similar sorts of players, brilliant with free-kicks and so on, and JB did the business in the PL, not the 3rd Division. But Lambert is class for the level he is at, probably too good, but I don't think he is good enough for the PL, and would struggle. Anyway, let the nippers form their own opinion and not try to influence them by ramming old DVDs down their throats, they will probably learn about that when the get a bit older. Heroes are for today, you can't make a retired player a hero for a kid. I can relate to what you are saying. As much as I love Le Tiss, everytime I pick my all time best Saints X1 I have trouble fitting him in the side as I have to have Davies, Channon, Paine, Williams, Armstrong etc. Mind you, I have an awesome bench (incl MLT, Shearer and Keegan!)
Arizona Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 A thought struck me yesterday that Lambert is one of the only Saints players who has never played at a higher level. Seaborne is the only other I can think of.
saint_stevo Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 did puncheon actually play any league games for plymouth? Could be another
St Landrew Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 In answer to the original question; no, of course Ricky isn't in the same class as Matt Le Tissier. Only a fool or someone who wasn't old enough to have seen both players in their prime would think otherwise. However, during my time of supporting Saints, Ricky is one of the few players to have been given the famous number 7 shirt and worn it with distinction with practically every game he's played. So he joins an exclusive club which includes Paine, MLT. Keegan and very few others.
krissyboy31 Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 did puncheon actually play any league games for plymouth? Could be another Played for Plymouth and Wimbledon in the Championship.
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 (edited) Rickie is a full blooded Saint rather than just money though. I believe that. Best centre forward since Joe Jordan... and more to come... Edited 19 April, 2010 by TopGun Alan Shearer was too young to count
Thedelldays Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 Rickie is a full blooded Saint rather than just money though. I believe that. Best centre forward since Joe Jordan... and more to come... I like the sound of that, but how do you qualify this.?
corsacar saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 What planet is Tokyo Saint on.[Rickie has been terrific in league 1, but few players could match MLT in his prime].
farawaysaint Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 I like the sound of that, but how do you qualify this.? He can't, Ricky has done the sensible thing in his career in general and moved on when bigger clubs have come knocking. I'm sure he'd do the same to us with the qualification that there's no-one in this division he'd leave us for
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Posted 19 April, 2010 I like the sound of that, but how do you qualify this.? TDD, I think Rickie knows he has got lucky at Saints. I think he will try to do what he can. Not like the other prancers and losers we had under Burley.
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