View From The Top Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 I was pleasantly surprised for find that all the candidates standing in my constituency hail from it or very close by in the country. Has that now become the norm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 John Denham lives in his constituency. He lives in the flats, near The Triangle just off Whitworth Road, and I have seen him 'out and about' in Bitterne Park, not electioneering, but just shopping etc. I once bumped into him leaving the Indian Restaurant on the Triangle. (I was leaving, he was passing by). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 i remember campaigning for a bloke who's whole campaign was 'being local matters' (i campaigned cos i got free beer btw) He lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 generally, people wont care who wins or where they are from..as long as that person wants to bring in things that will benefit your own needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 My Conservative MP lives locally, but the Labour challenger doesn't - not that i can see this being an issue for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2010 generally, people wont care who wins or where they are from..as long as that person wants to bring in things that will benefit your own needs It was a major issue where I live at the last election and possibly stopped the tory from winning. He'd been foisted upon the local tory association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 It may well be the case that they live locally now, but the real test is whether they were from the area or living there before they were selected to fight the seat. Only then can you find out whether the person is a professional politician or a concerned local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 My Conservative MP lives locally, but the Labour challenger doesn't - not that i can see this being an issue for him. My Lab MP is standing down - Bev Hughes. Her replacement candidate was from an all-woman shortlist and is from London. The Tory is relatively local although from Altrincham which is far posher than my bit of Manchester. The Lab candidate will win but I would have preferred a more open candidature Lab for my seat. That said, I think the Lab candidate is very good and will do a good job as an MP without prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 My Lab MP is standing down - Bev Hughes. Her replacement candidate was from an all-woman shortlist and is from London. The Tory is relatively local although from Altrincham which is far posher than my bit of Manchester. The Lab candidate will win but I would have preferred a more open candidature Lab for my seat. That said, I think the Lab candidate is very good and will do a good job as an MP without prejudice. I saw a programme about how a candidate in Stoke was forced on the Local Labour Party and thet're not happy. Basically there's a lot of post election scheming going on with Milliband wanting his men in and Brown wanting his men in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 As far as I'm aware, in Colchester, the candidates are all local - I know the Lib Dem and Green candidates are anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2010 I saw a programme about how a candidate in Stoke was forced on the Local Labour Party and thet're not happy. Basically there's a lot of post election scheming going on with Milliband wanting his men in and Brown wanting his men in. That actually has nothing to do with the Stoke Central issue. The problem there is linked to internal issues and the impact the BNP has had in that constituency (and it's a bloody grim place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 That actually has nothing to do with the Stoke Central issue. The problem there is linked to internal issues and the impact the BNP has had in that constituency (and it's a bloody grim place). Stoke has a lot of issues IMO. Lots of BNP which defocuses things. I'm not being rude Dune (not you VFTT) but you must realise that the BNP is a socialist party, albeit a nationalist one. I'm so surprised you haven't picked that up Dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Stoke has a lot of issues IMO. Lots of BNP which defocuses things. I'm not being rude Dune (not you VFTT) but you must realise that the BNP is a socialist party, albeit a nationalist one. I'm so surprised you haven't picked that up Dune. Yeah i've noticed, but it's about compromise and their policies fit my views, although not perfectly. UKIP are more to my views but i consider a vote for the BNP to be more effective in sending a message to the established parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Yeah i've noticed, but it's about compromise and their policies fit my views, although not perfectly. UKIP are more to my views but i consider a vote for the BNP to be more effective in sending a message to the established parties. So less of the socialist killing rhetoric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 A little more detail about the Stoke situation... Will Stoke-on-Trent Central be Labour's next Blaenau Gwent? Remember how Labour lost Blaenau Gwent, one of its safest seats in the country, at the last general election after a revolt by activists and locals opposed to a favoured candidate being foisted on the constituency by Labour HQ through an all-women shortlist? A Labour majority of over 19,000 was overturned and Peter Law, formerly the Labour Assembly Member for the constituency, was elected. It now looks like Labour risks losing Stoke-on-Trent Central (notional majority: 9,717) in similar circumstances, where Mark Fisher is retiring at the election. Last night the TV historian Tristram Hunt was selected to be the Labour candidate at the general election from an (unusually for Labour in safe seats) all-male shortlist of three imposed by Labour HQ. Hunt is an outsider and neither of the others on the shortlist had any local links - and this has caused the revolt within the ranks. Gary Elsby, constituency secretary of the Stoke-on-Trent Labour Party, announced on Radio 4's World at One today that he will stand as an Independent, in protest at the fact that neither he nor any other local candidate was given the chance to be considered. He accused the Labour Party's special selections panel of having "their own chosen few people who they want into Parliament because there could be a meltdown in the Labour Party at the higher end after the general election". He added that the selection in Stoke-on-Trent Central had been a "shoo-in for Lord Mandelson's friend" with the aim of boosting David Miliband's support in a future leadership election. He said: “We have not been allowed to compile a longlist, we have not been able to compile a shortlist. We want a view from Stoke-on-Trent. We want our view to go to London, not have their view imposed on us from outside... This is our city and we must defend it from the ambitions of a certain few to carve up these seats and use Stoke-on-Trent of all places as a plaything... I'm going to stand as an Independent candidate for Labour and give the people of Stoke-on-Trent a real choice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 So less of the socialist killing rhetoric? "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." I fully support the view of churchill, but voting BNP is a means to an end and that end is hopefully to peruade the conservatives to move more to the right and be confident to speak their minds more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 (edited) A little more detail about the Stoke situation... Will Stoke-on-Trent Central be Labour's next Blaenau Gwent? Remember how Labour lost Blaenau Gwent, one of its safest seats in the country, at the last general election after a revolt by activists and locals opposed to a favoured candidate being foisted on the constituency by Labour HQ through an all-women shortlist? A Labour majority of over 19,000 was overturned and Peter Law, formerly the Labour Assembly Member for the constituency, was elected. It now looks like Labour risks losing Stoke-on-Trent Central (notional majority: 9,717) in similar circumstances, where Mark Fisher is retiring at the election. Last night the TV historian Tristram Hunt was selected to be the Labour candidate at the general election from an (unusually for Labour in safe seats) all-male shortlist of three imposed by Labour HQ. Hunt is an outsider and neither of the others on the shortlist had any local links - and this has caused the revolt within the ranks. Gary Elsby, constituency secretary of the Stoke-on-Trent Labour Party, announced on Radio 4's World at One today that he will stand as an Independent, in protest at the fact that neither he nor any other local candidate was given the chance to be considered. He accused the Labour Party's special selections panel of having "their own chosen few people who they want into Parliament because there could be a meltdown in the Labour Party at the higher end after the general election". He added that the selection in Stoke-on-Trent Central had been a "shoo-in for Lord Mandelson's friend" with the aim of boosting David Miliband's support in a future leadership election. He said: “We have not been allowed to compile a longlist, we have not been able to compile a shortlist. We want a view from Stoke-on-Trent. We want our view to go to London, not have their view imposed on us from outside... This is our city and we must defend it from the ambitions of a certain few to carve up these seats and use Stoke-on-Trent of all places as a plaything... I'm going to stand as an Independent candidate for Labour and give the people of Stoke-on-Trent a real choice." Blaenau Gwent is a hot Labour seat. Your arguments here don't stack up Dune. It is not BNP. It's Wales. Plaid Cymru if anything although very unlikely cos it is hard Labour. Edited 19 April, 2010 by TopGun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Blaenau Gwent is a hot Labour seat. Your arguments here don't stack up Dune. It is not BNP. It's Wales. Plaid Cymru if anything although very unlikely cos it is hard Labour. Fine, it was the bit i've bolded that was the reason i put the article up for, as you mentioned about a shortlist being imposed on your area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." I fully support the view of churchill, but voting BNP is a means to an end and that end is hopefully to peruade the conservatives to move more to the right and be confident to speak their minds more. Actually a strong BNP vote would have the opposite effect to the one you want. Every political party and the media would decry the BNP as they did when Griffin appeared on question time. It would unite parties and it would also attract people (to other parties) who suddenly realise that if nothing else then their vote would cancel out a bone headed racist vote. The same thing happened in france when apathy saw Le Pen have an unexpectedly large proportion of the vote in the presidential election in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Actually a strong BNP vote would have the opposite effect to the one you want. Every political party and the media would decry the BNP as they did when Griffin appeared on question time. It would unite parties and it would also attract people (to other parties) who suddenly realise that if nothing else then their vote would cancel out a bone headed racist vote. The same thing happened in france when apathy saw Le Pen have an unexpectedly large proportion of the vote in the presidential election in 2002. Maybe, probably, who knows - personally I don't care. At least I vote for what I believe in. It's those who can switch between Conservative and the Liberals that are the fools. Politics is about principles and to switch from the left to the right and vice versa is bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Yeah i've noticed, but it's about compromise and their policies fit my views, although not perfectly. UKIP are more to my views but i consider a vote for the BNP to be more effective in sending a message to the established parties. Maybe, probably, who knows - personally I don't care. At least I vote for what I believe in. It's those who can switch between Conservative and the Liberals that are the fools. Politics is about principles and to switch from the left to the right and vice versa is bonkers. How many contradictions do you need? You've already admitted that the BNP is a socialist party (and you're a self confessed right wing tory boy) yet you're having a pop at people you consider as switching from left to right and call them fools? You say it's about compromise in one post and then say it's about principle in another? You say you vote for what you believe in yet choose a racist party over your preferred choice? Without wanting to be demeaning you really don't have much credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 How many contradictions do you need? You've already admitted that the BNP is a socialist party (and you're a self confessed right wing tory boy) yet you're having a pop at people you consider as switching from left to right and call them fools? You say it's about compromise in one post and then say it's about principle in another? You say you vote for what you believe in yet choose a racist party over your preferred choice? Without wanting to be demeaning you really don't have much credibility. There's no contradiction. I want more right wing policies on immigration - the BNP are the vote that sends this message most clearly to the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2010 How many contradictions do you need? You've already admitted that the BNP is a socialist party (and you're a self confessed right wing tory boy) yet you're having a pop at people you consider as switching from left to right and call them fools? You say it's about compromise in one post and then say it's about principle in another? You say you vote for what you believe in yet choose a racist party over your preferred choice? Without wanting to be demeaning you really don't have much credibility. Just remember that Stanley/Dune attends National Front rallies so it shouldn't be a surprise that he chooses a neo-fascist party to support. On another thread he says his politics is more akin to UKIP but he's not voting for them either. Stanley, simple lad that he is, is very confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 There's no contradiction. I want more right wing policies on immigration - the BNP are the vote that sends this message most clearly to the Tories. Then vote UKIP if you really must, you've already admitted you'd prefer to do so. After all at least you vote for what you believe in right? It's a matter of principle for you isn't it? Or is immigration ALL you're interested in. That must be quite sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Just remember that Stanley/Dune attends National Front rallies so it shouldn't be a surprise that he chooses a neo-fascist party to support. On another thread he says his politics is more akin to UKIP but he's not voting for them either. Stanley, simple lad that he is, is very confused. Ah, didn't realise that. It does explain quoting Churchill and in the very same post slagging off people who switch from the Tories to Liberal and vice versa ha ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Ah, didn't realise that. It does explain quoting Churchill and in the very same post slagging off people who switch from the Tories to Liberal and vice versa ha ha! He's not sharp enough to put that all together though. In fact, I doubt he knows it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Then vote UKIP if you really must, you've already admitted you'd prefer to do so. After all at least you vote for what you believe in right? It's a matter of principle for you isn't it? Or is immigration ALL you're interested in. That must be quite sad. Immigration is an issue that is out of control. Just look at the election leaders debate graph and when Brown talks about immigration his graph hit's the lowest point in the whole debate. It's a big big issue in this country to many many people, but the Labour and Liberal party don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 (edited) I think Dune is more UKIP than BNP also. Not sure he has options for either though. He won't tell me. Edited 19 April, 2010 by TopGun has options... an important word missed... and also a wider philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 I think Dune is more UKIP than BNP also. Not sure he options for either though. He won't tell me. Well i may switch to UKIP as i'm not keen on Nick Griffin. What are the English Democrats like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Well i may switch to UKIP as i'm not keen on Nick Griffin. What are the English Democrats like? Wah... all the local whites are doing a St Georges Day March in Manchester... EDL... they are not racist but congregated in controversial areas before... like where the BNP want the vote... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Wah... all the local whites are doing a St Georges Day March in Manchester... EDL... they are not racist but congregated in controversial areas before... like where the BNP want the vote... OK, i'll admit that i didn't realise the English Demcrats are the EDL, are you sure about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Top Gun i think you're barking up the wrong tree.. http://www.voteenglish.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 OK, i'll admit that i didn't realise the English Demcrats are the EDL, are you sure about this? Yes. Totally sure. Not sure they are sure. Bit mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Yes. Totally sure. Not sure they are sure. Bit mixed up. Well i won't be voting for the English democrat for two reasons: 1) I believe in the Union. 2) They spelt realise with a "z". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 Well i won't be voting for the English democrat for two reasons: 1) I believe in the Union. 2) They spelt realise with a "z". I imagine that is just lack of anyone who knows English. The same would apply to the muppets at ther BNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dune Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 I imagine that is just lack of anyone who knows English. The same would apply to the muppets at ther BNP. And the section in the Labour Manifesto about education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 April, 2010 Share Posted 19 April, 2010 And the section in the Labour Manifesto about education. Yeah. Can't believe they ****ed that up tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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