The Truth about Nick Clegg

[CB Saint]

Revealed: The United Nations that make up Nick Clegg

 

the family returned to Holland, where Hermance’s father Hemmy – a friend of the country’s royal family – became president of the Dutch banking giant ABN.

 

Of all the colourful names in the Clegg family tree it is his great, great aunt Moura Budberg who stands out.

 

The Russian-born noblewoman was suspected of spying for both the Soviet Union and British intelligence.

 

Mr Clegg’s parents met in 1956 when Hermance visited Cambridge and met Nicholas Clegg Snr, the son of Russian-born Baroness Kira von Engelhardt.

 

They raised their four children in affluent Chalfont St Giles in Buckinghamshire, benefiting from Clegg Snr’s successful banking career which has helped the family to buy a 20-room chalet in the Alps and a chateau near Bordeaux. He is now chairman of the United Trust Bank.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266826/The-United-Nations-Nick-Clegg.html#ixzz0lRSX45SW

 

So is Nick Cleggs father was a friend of the Dutch royal family, owns a chateau and a 20 room Alpine retreat, and is chairman of the United Trust Bank, his great great aunt was a Russian noble woman, and his father was the son of a Russian Baroness. But Nick Clegg claims to be Middle Class.

 

I guess it's easier to be a Liberal if your family has already made their pile.

[sadoldgit]

It is easier to be anything if your family have already made your pile...ask JFK would have testified.

[Fuengirola Saint]

Both had privilidged upper class starts in life, but as far as i'm aware Camerons father isn't a greedy banker.

 

At straws clutching, rearrange these words in the correct order :-)

[sadoldgit]

Let's not discuss the merits of the individual and their ability to lead the country, let's talk about their family backgrounds instead.

 

Frankly I don't give a t*ss what any of their fathers do or don't do...what difference does it make?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Why does Nick Smugg want to hide his public school education, his upper class roots, and his poshness in general? What you see is certainly not what you get with Nick.

 

I think that could be applied to many politicians of all persuasions!

 

Am I right in thinking, from this thread, that the Tories are more concerned by the Lib Dems than they are by Labour?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Let's not discuss the merits of the individual and their ability to lead the country, let's talk about their family backgrounds instead.

 

Frankly I don't give a t*ss what any of their fathers do or don't do...what difference does it make?

 

Spot on.

[sadoldgit]

I think that could be applied to many politicians of all persuasions!

 

Am I right in thinking, from this thread, that the Tories are more concerned by the Lib Dems than they are by Labour?

 

I think you are right. It is says a lot about Clegg that other parties are so woriied about him that they are trying to discredit him.

 

God forbid that people should stoop that low (but did I see Cameron talking about his family tragedy the other day on TV? - hmmm, what has that to do with his party's polices? Surely he wasn't trying to milk the sympathy vote???).

[dune]

I think that could be applied to many politicians of all persuasions!

 

Am I right in thinking, from this thread, that the Tories are more concerned by the Lib Dems than they are by Labour?

 

I think both parties should be concerned and I think much of the Liberals rise has been down to the expenses scandal NOT the debate. You can of course point to the change in the polls after the debate - I accept this, but i still believe the underlying shift away from the establishment is because of expenses.

[SuperMikey]

I think both parties should be concerned and I think much of the Liberals rise has been down to the expenses scandal NOT the debate. You can of course point to the change in the polls after the debate - I accept this, but i still believe the underlying shift away from the establishment is because of expenses.

 

I don't think you can attribute the rise of the Lib Dems to their lack of involvement in the expenses scandal, that's just farcical. If anything, it's probably due to the failures of the previous Tory and Labour governments, and how people are disillusioned with these two parties. People who are switching from Labour and Conservative (but who don't want to vote for a 'loony left' party like UKIP or BNP) are voting Lib Dem because they have sensible policies, likeable and trustworthy politicians and a good plan for the future.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I don't think you can attribute the rise of the Lib Dems to their lack of involvement in the expenses scandal, that's just farcical. If anything, it's probably due to the failures of the previous Tory and Labour governments, and how people are disillusioned with these two parties. People who are switching from Labour and Conservative (but who don't want to vote for a 'loony left' party like UKIP or BNP) are voting Lib Dem because they have sensible policies, likeable and trustworthy politicians and a good plan for the future.

 

UKIP are surely not loony left?

[Patrick Bateman]

Clegg's father and brother both had illustrious careers in banks that promoted the sort of 'risky' lending the LibDems now want to ban. Records from Companies House show Clegg's father, Nicholas, is still a chairman of the United Trust Bank, which specialises in financing property developers.

 

He has been at the bank since 2001, where the highest-paid director earned £235,000 last year despite the bank making a loss of £464,000.

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266677/ELECTION-2010-Clegg-plays-Northerner-really-posh-Dave.html#ixzz0lL6pXYqt

 

And this matters why? So he had a good start in life and comes from a grounded, intelligent family. Gosh, I'm so worried about someone like that potentially leading the country.

 

I'm undecided on the whole Trident thing, it's not a decision point for me, having read (in depth) the manefestos for the 3 main parties, the Lib Dems stack up the best. Having completed a gap analysis; I can't see too much difference between the Conservatives and Labour, but Labour are ruled out as I couldn't possibly bear another 5 years of that bumbling Brown idiot and his cronies! And change is good!

[dune]

And this matters why? So he had a good start in life and comes from a grounded, intelligent family. Gosh, I'm so worried about someone like that potentially leading the country.

 

I'm undecided on the whole Trident thing, it's not a decision point for me, having read (in depth) the manefestos for the 3 main parties, the Lib Dems stack up the best. Having completed a gap analysis; I can't see too much difference between the Conservatives and Labour, but Labour are ruled out as I couldn't possibly bear another 5 years of that bumbling Brown idiot and his cronies! And change is good!

 

It doesn't matter at all. That is the whole point. Cleggs class is irrelevent, just like Camerons class is irrelevent. what is relevent is what the parties stand for and how your views relate to that.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I don't think you can attribute the rise of the Lib Dems to their lack of involvement in the expenses scandal, that's just farcical .

 

The Lib/Dems are up to their neck in it to.

 

 

 

 

Mr Clegg bought a house with a £279,000 mortgage in his Sheffield constituency within six months of being elected in 2005.

Over the next four years, he regularly claimed almost the maximum possible in second home expenses - taking his total claims to beyond £90,000.

 

As well as interest payments of £1,018 on the loan, he charged for stamp duty, land registry and legal costs for the purchase totalling £9,244.50.

And in the next few months, he fitted a £2,600 kitchen and had almost £6,000 worth of decorating done including new carpets, laminate flooring and tiles.

 

He also claimed for items including £1.50 paper napkins, a £2.49 cake tin and cushions at £4.99 after a shopping trip to Ikea in 2006.

In July 2007, he claimed £680 for gardening including to build a 'small wall in rose garden' and prune some trees and £760 for repairs to a garden path.

The following year, he had his expenses docked by more than £100 for exceeding the £23,083 maximum allowance.

[OldNick]

the Salisbury Lib dem father owns 2 or 3 McDonalds franchises, he calls them restaurants lol

I thought the Libs were not very keen on Globalisation

[View From The Top]

*cough* Duckhouse.

 

*cough* Moat clearing.

[OldNick]

*cough* Duckhouse.

 

*cough* Moat clearing.

I dont think anybody of any political persuasion would not find those MP's disgusting. To me it is not just those headline grabbing MP's who need voted out.

To think that the Libs /Labour /whoever do not have their own skeltons would be naive.

Clegg trying to look like Mother Teresa is nausiating if not very risky as the media are now looking into his past.

I think if the MEP's were looked into deeper we would be more up in arms. The practice of charging for airline tickets and then driving back was commonplace at one time.

I dont care what political party you support, all of them are robbing from us and we all are working everyday to earn money so they can live a comfy life. Stick up for Clegg or any of the other hypocrites if you wish but I believe the majority are out for themselves and do not care 1 iota for me or you, they are only interesting in power and the trappings that come with it.

[View From The Top]

I dont think anybody of any political persuasion would not find those MP's disgusting. To me it is not just those headline grabbing MP's who need voted out.

To think that the Libs /Labour /whoever do not have their own skeltons would be naive.

Clegg trying to look like Mother Teresa is nausiating if not very risky as the media are now looking into his past.

I think if the MEP's were looked into deeper we would be more up in arms. The practice of charging for airline tickets and then driving back was commonplace at one time.

I dont care what political party you support, all of them are robbing from us and we all are working everyday to earn money so they can live a comfy life. Stick up for Clegg or any of the other hypocrites if you wish but I believe the majority are out for themselves and do not care 1 iota for me or you, they are only interesting in power and the trappings that come with it.

 

Which is why the country is clearly saying it wants change.

 

There are very few MPs that respect, one, however, is a tory who, during the whole scandal, was revealed to have claimed not one penny (outside of the running costs of his office). When asked why he said it was because all of his voters had to pay to get to work so why shouldn't he. He commuted to the HoC and home again every day.

 

He was an ordinary backbencher, who had had a succcessful career and was doing the job to make a difference and not for any other reason.

 

We need another 600 like him, of all political hues.

[jeff leopard]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266677/ELECTION-2010-Clegg-plays-Northerner-really-posh-Dave.html#ixzz0lL6pXYqt

 

So 'the truth' can be found within a daily mail article :rolleyes:

 

I hope that you are enjoying pretending to be a spin doctor for the blue few, and that railing against the failings of labour and the libdems is making you feel better.

 

But I also hope you know that merely mimicking and regurgitating tory propaganda isn’t going to change the way anyone in the real world is going to vote.

 

Just as long as you're aware of this...

[OldNick]

Which is why the country is clearly saying it wants change.

 

There are very few MPs that respect, one, however, is a tory who, during the whole scandal, was revealed to have claimed not one penny (outside of the running costs of his office). When asked why he said it was because all of his voters had to pay to get to work so why shouldn't he. He commuted to the HoC and home again every day.

 

He was an ordinary backbencher, who had had a succcessful career and was doing the job to make a difference and not for any other reason.

 

We need another 600 like him, of all political hues.

Thanks for that.

I recall a couple of years back reading that another dodge was that when they want a pen they are able to buy Mont Blanc's etc and put those down as fair expenses, not the Bics most of us would expect them to use, which are just as capable of doing the job.

[the saint in winchester]

I liked it when he was off roaming the Dales with Compo and Foggy.

If he gets in, will we have to wear tweed jackets with leather elbow patches?

[Lord Duckhunter]

I dont think anybody of any political persuasion would not find those MP's disgusting. To me it is not just those headline grabbing MP's who need voted out.

To think that the Libs /Labour /whoever do not have their own skeltons would be naive.

Clegg trying to look like Mother Teresa is nausiating if not very risky as the media are now looking into his past.

I think if the MEP's were looked into deeper we would be more up in arms. The practice of charging for airline tickets and then driving back was commonplace at one time.

I dont care what political party you support, all of them are robbing from us and we all are working everyday to earn money so they can live a comfy life. Stick up for Clegg or any of the other hypocrites if you wish but I believe the majority are out for themselves and do not care 1 iota for me or you, they are only interesting in power and the trappings that come with it.

 

Spot on.

 

This is what Clegg claimed "I have spent my entire adult life fighting to clean up politics and expenses from top to bottom". He has claimed £1.50 for paper napkins,cushions costing £4.99, a £2.49 cake pan. Last year, he had his expenses docked after exceeding the £23,083 maximum, he claimed £1,657.32 for food,The claims also include two bills for the Liberal Democrat leader’s home phone in Sheffield, one for £105.88 and the other for £121.56. These detailed four calls to Colombia, including two mobile phones, three to Vietnam, including two mobiles, and 21 calls to Belgium, including six mobiles.

 

 

What about his Home affairs spokesmen and local MP Chris Huhne , a millionaire and one of Parlianments wealthy MP's. Well his claims include semi-skimmed milk (62p), and others for chocolate HobNobs (79p), tea bags (89p) and a bus ticket (£3.20).Does Mr Clegg's clean up from "top to bottom" not include this?

 

What about Sir Menzies Campbell the last Lib/Dem leader Sir Menzies claimed for a lampshade, hooks, a “loo brush”, black-out blinds, cleaning products and soap worth £272.86. He included a new king-size bed, worth £1,024 and bed linen worth £373 as well as £1,515 decorating bill. The designer, a family friend who has been in charge of refurbishing a leading hotel, also submitted a bill for two cupboards, costing £822.50, to be built either side of the bed. Does Clegg's clean up not include this.

 

The double standards of Clegg and the Lib/Dems is breathtaking, they have their snouts in the trough, like the others, but are trying to take the moral high ground.

 

If Clegg's expenses from his time as an MEP come to light, he'll be finished.The one thing worse than an MP with his snout in the trough is a hyppercritical one with his snout firmly in the trough.

[View From The Top]

You just don't get it do you?

 

The public won't give a sh*t as they just see two things; duck houses and moats. Add into that a porn film or two and you've got it covered.

 

You keep ranting and raving and not understanding why the Liberals, rightly or wrongly, represent genuine change for a whole plethora of people.

[OldNick]

You just don't get it do you?

 

The public won't give a sh*t as they just see two things; duck houses and moats. Add into that a porn film or two and you've got it covered.

 

You keep ranting and raving and not understanding why the Liberals, rightly or wrongly, represent genuine change for a whole plethora of people.

VFTT,so what is that change, dishonesty and more excess? If Clegg is prepared to be dishonest by pretending and pulling the wool over the voters eyes what would he b3e like with a little power?

In some ways our people deserve a dose of a hung parliament. having the Libs weilding more power than their status deserves by having Brown at their mercy 'do this or we will bring you down'

It happened and caused a mess in the early to mid 1970's.

[View From The Top]

VFTT,so what is that change

 

Not Labour or Tory.

 

The Liberals would appear to be less tarnished than the other two.

 

Add into that peoples dislike of Brown and mistrust of Cameron and you have the perfect storm brewing.

 

It's a strange election campaign!

[OldNick]

Not Labour or Tory.

 

The Liberals would appear to be less tarnished than the other two.

 

Add into that peoples dislike of Brown and mistrust of Cameron and you have the perfect storm brewing.

 

It's a strange election campaign!

May as well have BNP or SWP at that rate if you just want a different lot.

Becoming PM at this time is a poisined chalice, it may into the tories hands if there is a LibLab pact, as we will then see what that will bring and then when it goes ti## up we will then get a strong government with a decent majority to lead us.

I just wish i was a suplier to the Governemnt , now that would be a way to make a fast buck

[Lord Duckhunter]

Not Labour or Tory.

 

The Liberals would appear to be less tarnished than the other two.

 

!

 

Dont you realise this is down to them having a lot less MP's. The % of MP's on the take from the Lib/Dems is as bad, if not worse than the others, there is just less of them to be caught.

 

Clegg has done a fantastic spin job on the public. He's no outsider, he's been part of the political establishment for years. Lobbyist, to MEP, to MP.

 

What's the saying? "you can fool some of the people, some of the time", and in the next couple of weeks, he'll get found out. As Liam Fox siad on ITV last night, "if Opinion polls can change that much after one debate, they can certainly change again after another 2".

 

If the polls contine to show vote Clegg get Brown, the Lib/Dems will not get to 100 seats.

[Barry the Badger]

So hang on, you are telling me that having searched through trying to find some dirt, the worst thing you could find in Cleggs expenses is that he claimed £4.99 for some cushions???

 

...and Chris Hugne claimed 79p for some biscuits.

 

F*cking hell, these Lib Dems are bleeding our country dry!

 

Give it a rest.

[Thedelldays]

hahaha

 

clegg left a memo in the back of his taxi from his party telling him to be more like Cameron

 

lol

 

oh dear

[badgerx16]

hahaha

 

clegg left a memo in the back of his taxi from his party telling him to be more like Cameron

 

lol

 

oh dear

He probably ignored it - why would he want to be more like DC ?

[View From The Top]

Dont you realise this is down to them having a lot less MP's.

 

Well I never! Have they really?

 

My M-I-L is a good example I think.

 

A working class northerner who voted for Thatcher and Major. She then switched to Blair.

 

I asked her is she was going to vote Tory knowing how she feels about Brown. "Not voting for that smarmy git" was her reply before going off on one about expenses.

 

I think she's quite representative in so much as she sees the tories as more guilty than the rest due to the press that the duckhouse and moat got.

 

The Liberals dodged all of that and are picking up support from those who despise the current government but really don't trust the tories.

 

No doubt it will all change come polling day but there is a definite sense that change is needed in some way, shape or form.

[OldNick]

"Not voting for that smarmy git"

 

and she voted for Blair lollage. They are a bit batty up there.

Blair was another I cant stand, there he was talking about how he used to sit and watch Milburn in the Gallowgate end...... not realising that it was standing in those days. Another lying MP who fooled the majority

[View From The Top]

and she voted for Blair lollage. They are a bit batty up there.

Blair was another I cant stand, there he was talking about how he used to sit and watch Milburn in the Gallowgate end...... not realising that it was standing in those days. Another lying MP who fooled the majority

 

In 1997 Blair represented genuine change and looked and appeared young and full of vigor.

Millions of women voted for him because of that but grew tired of the spin and smarm and see those negative attributes in Cameron.

Blair certainly won on personality and politics and society certainly became obsessed by it and now, it would appear, they are going to vote on it and not the policies.

It certainly is an odd election!

[jeff leopard]

Clegg has been really getting his teeth in to Gordon lately, I personally think he’s saying ‘If there is a hung parliament, we’ll do a deal with labour, but not with Brown in charge’.

 

If he can force a Brown out (so to speak) he’ll be a hero in many people’s eyes.

[OldNick]

In 1997 Blair represented genuine change and looked and appeared young and full of vigor.

Millions of women voted for him because of that but grew tired of the spin and smarm and see those negative attributes in Cameron.

Blair certainly won on personality and politics and society certainly became obsessed by it and now, it would appear, they are going to vote on it and not the policies.

It certainly is an odd election!

Sorry VFTT not in my book. he was always spin and substance and the dumbed down British public fell for it. MR Grey Major , who had us back on track with Clarke as chancellor left a golden economy. had the election been 9 months later Major would have won as the economy would have been thriving. Brown has left it as late as possible in the hope that the economy will turn. 6 months ago and there DC would be out of sight.

Things have calmed down but we are not out of the woods yet. Inflation is coming and the pound falling it is not a good time to be PM

[Lord Duckhunter]

So hang on, you are telling me that having searched through trying to find some dirt, the worst thing you could find in Cleggs expenses is that he claimed £4.99 for some cushions???

 

...and Chris Hugne claimed 79p for some biscuits.

 

F*cking hell, these Lib Dems are bleeding our country dry!

 

Give it a rest.

 

Not at all. If you bothered to look you'll see that Clegg has consitantly claimed more than Brown and Cameron, one year claimed over the maximum and had to pay some back,as an Euro MP claimed for first class travel but travelled second class. Personally I dont think that someone who thinks the tax payer should pay for his paper napkins and cake tins is fit to be PM, you might, but I certainly dont think that person is entittled to claim he's spent his "whole adult life, trying to clean up politics".

 

What about the £42,000 Lord Renwick wrongly claimed, does that not count because he's in the Party of "change"

[View From The Top]

Sorry VFTT not in my book. he was always spin and substance and the dumbed down British public fell for it.

 

The country craved change in 97 and ir does again now.

 

This time, however, change is no longer so obvious.

[View From The Top]

Not at all. If you bothered to look you'll see that Clegg has consitantly claimed more than Brown and Cameron, one year claimed over the maximum and had to pay some back,as an Euro MP claimed for first class travel but travelled second class. Personally I dont think that someone who thinks the tax payer should pay for his paper napkins and cake tins is fit to be PM, you might, but I certainly dont think that person is entittled to claim he's spent his "whole adult life, trying to clean up politics".

 

What about the £42,000 Lord Renwick wrongly claimed, does that not count because he's in the Party of "change"

 

It would appear that you are the only one who cares.

 

Ever wondered why the other two parties aren't using it as a stick to beat with with?

 

I'll tell you. Duckhouses, moats and porn films.

[OldNick]

. Duckhouses, moats and porn films.

is that the adult version of trains planes and automobiles

[irishsaint83]

...MR Grey Major , who had us back on track with Clarke as chancellor left a golden economy.....

 

I hardly think so, GDP as a percentage compared with the USA was lower in 1995 than it was in 1980 and only returned to a better level than 1980 in 2000. Inflation was steady but slowly increasing year on year for the 3 years before Labours 1997 victory and then steadily lowered for the next 3. By the Sounds of it, every one has forgot about the Saving and Loan scandel of 1990/91? Remeber, under a Tory government how the UK (as did most western nations) go into recession because of a shambles of a financial system in the USA which supprisingly, had a Bush President! They estimated the "Financial Bailout" (sound like a familiar term) at around 160 billion USD, paid for almost exclusivly by the US taxpayer. So when we here DC say that the Conservative party would never let a "Financial Crisis" happen by tighter regulation..... it makes you wonder.....

 

The Political system needs to change, taking a look at the Polls, the Libs should be coming out tightly between all 3. Come may the 7th, it will be very clear that it was a two horse race, Blue and Red. Until Single Transferable voting for PR is introduced, Libs will always be #3. If however, STV was introduced, in every conservative strong hold, libs/ independent would be #2 and in a labour stronghold, libs / independent would be #2. In a system like that, the libs could come out as the leading party with more seats than anyone.

 

Truth about Nick Clegg, well he has rocked a political system that needed a rocking, race on for number 10 now, will it be blue or red? I think Labour and Libs may form majority in a hung parliment.

[Thedelldays]

well...people seem so sure that clegg/lib dems have "rocked" the system

 

I wonder if this will show on may 7th

[Lord Duckhunter]

The country craved change in 97 and ir does again now.

 

This time, however, change is no longer so obvious.

 

I've been through 7 elections my working life, and nothing has really changed after every one, including '97. I always found the NHS pretty good, even in the 80's. I've 4 Children ranging from 22 to 9 and I've found their schooling adequate at best and certainly no better than it was pre '97. There wasn't that much change since '97, remember Labour kept the Torys spending policies for 2 years, and in another era Blair would have been a "wet" Tory as it was. They've tinkered around the edges of Lords reform, and banned fox hunting, but other than that (if I lived in Scotland or Wales I might think differently ), here in England nothing much has changed, and nothing will. If you think the Lib/Dems are any different then you're wrong. The rush for the middle ground of British politics is alarming, with no radical thinkers.

 

In the past people would have convictions and beliefs, that they then stuck to. They tried to persuade the public to back these convictions, they tried to change the publics minds through force of arguement. Now they follow the people, they listen to focus groups and follow the popular line. Mrs Thatcher would never had given people the right to buy, would never have beaten the unions, had she listened to focus groups and pollsters.

 

Nick Clegg is a pro European, who beleives in the Euro. Instead of argueing his case and try to sway public opinion, he'll skirt round the issue during the next debate. His policy advisors will give him a line to take and he'll take it. same with Cameron and Brown on a whole load of issues, they'll take the moderate line, so they dont frighten the voters.

 

Where are all the radical thinkers, where are all the opinion shapers and where are the risk takers in British Politics. Until we find them, we wont get real and sustainable change.

[View From The Top]

well...people seem so sure that clegg/lib dems have "rocked" the system

 

I wonder if this will show on may 7th

 

If he hadn't the tories wouldn't be squinnying about him would they.

 

Oddly enough I also feel that many people like the idea of a hung parliament and people having to work together for the good of the country.

 

I know it's not going to happen like that but, I feel, many do.

 

It certainly is an odd campaign.

[View From The Top]

Where are all the radical thinkers, where are all the opinion shapers and where are the risk takers in British Politics. Until we find them, we wont get real and sustainable change.

 

Amen to that!

 

Too many, far too many career politicians.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Where are all the radical thinkers, where are all the opinion shapers and where are the risk takers in British Politics. Until we find them, we wont get real and sustainable change.

 

Career politicians taught spin, sound bites and image. We want principle and passion even if you do not agree with what they are saying. Alan Clarke, Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Norman Tebbit, Maggie.

[sperm_john]

I think the Lib Dems are being found out to an extent..., but there's also a vast amount of people that are getting carried on the crest of the wave for 'change' as it were in this country,... change in the sense that the Lib Dems are always the third party and this time there's a sense of the under dog spirit. Like Obama had at the start of his campaign...never had a black man been president before, I think there's a vast amount of people that simply don't want to find out the ins and outs of the Lib Dem policies... because if they do, they would probably find they don't agree with many of them... I know people that are planning on voting for them just because they like Clegg (or moreover they don't like the other two) ...they are planning on voting Liberal and they aren't even really interested in politics, that's a hell of a thing for the Torys and Labour to be up against ...

[dune]

I know people that are planning on voting for them just because they like Clegg (or moreover they don't like the other two) ...they are planning on voting Liberal and they aren't even really interested in politics, that's a hell of a thing for the Torys and Labour to be up against ...

 

You've ht the nail on the head. I want the Tories to win, but if not the next best scenario is Labour winning, but what looks like happening is a hung parliament and every hung parliament we've had since 1900 has failed and a re-election called. A hung parliament will be a disaster and like ken Clarke has said today it could well lead to so much indecision we end up back at the IMF as in 79. The astronomic amount of borrowed money that's been pumped into the economy isn't appreciated by most people because everything seems so fine at he minute - but it's all false like a lull before the storm and this election is about how we ride out the storm in the next parliament. This is why it's a disaster how weak the Tory front bench is with the likes of George Osbourne being the face of econmoic change. He's no vote winner and it's weaknesses like him that are costing the Tories. Then there's Gordon Brown that everyone takes a dislike to and this is what's letting the Liberals in. It's not because anyone wants the Liberals and it's certainly not because of their policies - scrap the pound, open up the borders, give illegal immigrants an amnesty, push us deeper into a European superstate, it's because so few people like the people in the other parties. However there has been a major change in tack now in the tory campaign and they are bringing the old guard out and going for broke whilst Labour continue to creep up to the Liberals as a hung parliament is the best case scenario for them. Will the public start to use their heads and see the dangers we face? Will the public see that a Liberal vote is a vote for gordon brown? Will the public see that only a Conservative or a Labour majority can make us strong enough to get us through the storm? I sense that the Liberal bubble is there to be burst.

Edited 21 April, 2010 by dune

[Joesaint]

I don't think you can attribute the rise of the Lib Dems to their lack of involvement in the expenses scandal, that's just farcical. If anything, it's probably due to the failures of the previous Tory and Labour governments, and how people are disillusioned with these two parties. People who are switching from Labour and Conservative (but who don't want to vote for a 'loony left' party like UKIP or BNP) are voting Lib Dem because they have sensible policies, likeable and trustworthy politicians and a good plan for the future.

 

err Lib dems - sensible policies!!!!!!!

 

What about immergration, crime, benifit bums, and cutting the debt. O right we can sort that another day I suppose.

[revolution saint]

err Lib dems - sensible policies!!!!!!!

 

What about immergration, crime, benifit bums, and cutting the debt. O right we can sort that another day I suppose.

 

Or spelling? But that's a cheap shot.

 

I'd be interested to see what you consider amongst the liberal democrats policies that aren't sensible?

[revolution saint]

You've ht the nail on the head. I want the Tories to win, but if not the next best scenario is Labour winning, but what looks like happening is a hung parliament and every hung parliament we've had since 1900 has failed and a re-election called. A hung parliament will be a disaster and like ken Clarke has said today it could well lead to so much indecision we end up back at the IMF as in 79. The astronomic amount of borrowed money that's been pumped into the economy isn't appreciated by most people because everything seems so fine at he minute - but it's all false like a lull before the storm and this election is about how we ride out the storm in the next parliament. This is why it's a disaster how weak the Tory front bench is with the likes of George Osbourne being the face of econmoic change. He's no vote winner and it's weaknesses like him that are costing the Tories. Then there's Gordon Brown that everyone takes a dislike to and this is what's letting the Liberals in. It's not because anyone wants the Liberals and it's certainly not because of their policies - scrap the pound, open up the borders, give illegal immigrants an amnesty, push us deeper into a European superstate, it's because so few people like the people in the other parties. However there has been a major change in tack now in the tory campaign and they are bringing the old guard out and going for broke whilst Labour continue to creep up to the Liberals as a hung parliament is the best case scenario for them. Will the public start to use their heads and see the dangers we face? Will the public see that a Liberal vote is a vote for gordon brown? Will the public see that only a Conservative or a Labour majority can make us strong enough to get us through the storm? I sense that the Liberal bubble is there to be burst.

 

There is of course another scenario - the fact that Liberal Democrat policy now that it's examined and given the same crediblity as the other two parties is actually what the public want. You shouldn't kid yourself that the British public want what you want.

[dune]

There is of course another scenario - the fact that Liberal Democrat policy now that it's examined and given the same crediblity as the other two parties is actually what the public want. You shouldn't kid yourself that the British public want what you want.

 

I think you're very wrong on this, only today at work i converted someone from voteing Liberal by telling her some of their policies. The Liberals are riding high not on what they stand for, but because Clegg did well in a beauty contest.