The Truth about Nick Clegg

[SuperMikey]

I was trying to be polite. The Lib/Dem establishment including Clegg and Cable covered it up and let him lead the Party into the last election.A serious flaw in their judgement, as he could have ended up in a coalition govt.

 

That's complete bullsh!t Duckhunter. Do you have any substantial evidence to back this up, or were you a big player in the Lib Dems at the time and helped to cover up his illness? Farking ridiculous!

[Lord Duckhunter]

And it was just to get some sort of advantage apparently.

 

Them shallow Liberals.

 

The state of his alcohol problem became apparent in the lead up to the last general election. The Lib/Dem establishment made a political calculation to cover it up, but leave him in place. The thinking behind it was he was popular with the voters, and therefore they left a seriously ill man, with an illness that affects people's judgment, to run for the highest office in the land.

[Lord Duckhunter]

That's complete bullsh!t Duckhunter. Do you have any substantial evidence to back this up, or were you a big player in the Lib Dems at the time and helped to cover up his illness? Farking ridiculous!

 

Are you trying to say it came as a surprise to them?

 

They knew allright and during the last election.

[saint_stevo]

on the main bored, i dislike vftt's postings immensely. On here, he almost speaks sense. Ridiculous attempt by posh windows to discredit a bloke that came accross so well mid-week which has succeeded only in making them seem petty and churlish

[SuperMikey]

Are you trying to say it came as a surprise to them?

 

They knew allright and during the last election.

 

I think I got confused when you kept referring to his alcoholism and an illness seperately when you were in fact referring to the same thing. Everybody knew though at that time, not just the Lib Dems. Hardly top-secret stuff that Charles Kennedy liked a drink or five.

[dune]

Why does Nick Smugg want to hide his public school education, his upper class roots, and his poshness in general? What you see is certainly not what you get with Nick.

[bridge too far]

Why does Nick Smugg want to hide his public school education, his upper class roots, and his poshness in general? What you see is certainly not what you get with Nick.

 

How do you know he hides it? Jeez anyone can see it's on Wiki for example and no doubt loads of other places.

[View From The Top]

Why does Nick Smugg want to hide his public school education, his upper class roots, and his poshness in general? What you see is certainly not what you get with Nick.

 

Isn't he an ordinary chap like Dave?

[RonManager]

Isn't he an ordinary chap like Dave?

 

I liked it best when Tony would come out to the Downing St. cameras with his mug of coffee and his sleeves rolled up.

 

 

It really made me believe in him.

[dune]

Isn't he an ordinary chap like Dave?

 

Both had privilidged upper class starts in life, but as far as i'm aware Camerons father isn't a greedy banker.

[bridge too far]

Both had privilidged upper class starts in life, but as far as i'm aware Camerons father isn't a greedy banker.

 

Banking and stockbroking I believe.

 

He and his wife are reputed to have a family fortune of £30m.

[dune]

Banking and stockbroking I believe.

 

He and his wife are reputed to have a family fortune of £30m.

 

So basically Nick Clegg and David Cameron come from the same stable.

[View From The Top]

Both had privilidged upper class starts in life, but as far as i'm aware Camerons father isn't a greedy banker.

 

 

So you support the Liberal tax on the greedy bankers?

[badgerx16]

Both had privilidged upper class starts in life, but as far as i'm aware Camerons father isn't a greedy banker.

Courtesy of Wiki :-

"The son of stockbroker Ian Donald Cameron and his wife Mary Fleur Mount (daughter of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet),[4].

His father Ian was a director of estate agent John D Wood, and the stockbrokers Panmure Gordon stockbrokers, where his grandfather and great-grandfather also worked ".

 

 

Greedy Casino Capitalist then

[bridge too far]

So basically Nick Clegg and David Cameron come from the same stable.

 

Cameron's family are 'landed gentry' (on both sides) - Clegg's family aren't.

 

And your point is?

[dune]

So you support the Liberal tax on the greedy bankers?

 

What ever happens Britain has to remain the hub of global banking. A balance needs to be struck between taxation and preventing an exodus.

[dune]

Cameron's family are 'landed gentry' (on both sides) - Clegg's family aren't.

 

And your point is?

 

That they're both posh and that they both went to public schools.

[View From The Top]

What ever happens Britain has to remain the hub of global banking. A balance needs to be struck between taxation and preventing an exodus.

 

Yes or no will suffice.

 

Do you support the Liberal policy of taxation on the non retail banking sector?

[bridge too far]

That they're both posh and that they both went to public schools.

 

Yes - and?

[dune]

Yes or no will suffice.

 

Do you support the Liberal policy of taxation on the non retail banking sector?

 

I support any measures that will bring in revenue from the banks that were bailed out by tax payers, but the industry is vital to this country so we must ensure conditions make the city globally competitive. If you over tax the banking sector the banks will simply go somewhere else and then there will be no taxation to be had.

[bridge too far]

I support any measures that will bring in revenue from the banks that were bailed out by tax payers, but the industry is vital to this country so we must ensure conditions make the city globally competitive. If you over tax the banking sector the banks will simply go somewhere else and then there will be no taxation to be had.

 

No they won't because there are global discussions taking place to ensure that banks are taxed worldwide.

[View From The Top]

I support any measures that will bring in revenue from the banks that were bailed out by tax payers, but the industry is vital to this country so we must ensure conditions make the city globally competitive. If you over tax the banking sector the banks will simply go somewhere else and then there will be no taxation to be had.

 

Yes or No.

 

It's not difficult.

[saint_stevo]

all politicians should tell us everything about themselves immediatly. No matter what

[dune]

Yes - and?

 

There is no "and". Mandelson and Brown made a big deal out of Cameron and the "playing fields of Eton". I'm simply pointing out that Clegg and Cameron are both upper class and both were educated in public schools.

[View From The Top]

all politicians should tell us everything about themselves immediatly. No matter what

 

I'd rather they didn't!

[View From The Top]

There is no "and". Mandelson and Brown made a big deal out of Cameron and the "playing fields of Eton". I'm simply pointing out that Clegg and Cameron are both upper class and both were educated in public schools.

 

If you think Clegg is upper class then you're dumber than someone who would attend a NF rally.

[dune]

Yes or No.

 

It's not difficult.

 

Sorry i've now forgotton the question.

[RedAndWhite91]

What does Nick Griffin's old man do?

[bridge too far]

There is no "and". Mandelson and Brown made a big deal out of Cameron and the "playing fields of Eton". I'm simply pointing out that Clegg and Cameron are both upper class and both were educated in public schools.

 

 

from Wiki:

 

In many countries the term "upper class" was intimately associated with hereditary land ownership and titles

 

I would suggest to you that Clegg and Brown are both middle class.

 

You seem to take an awfully long and tortuous journey to make a totally insignificant point.

[dune]

If you think Clegg is upper class then you're dumber than someone who would attend a NF rally.

 

Cleggs father owns a 20-room chalet in the Alps and a chateau near Bordeaux. He is also chairman of the United Trust Bank, which specialises in financing property developers.

 

Hardly middle class.

[SuperMikey]

Cleggs father owns a 20-room chalet in the Alps and a chateau near Bordeaux. He is also chairman of the United Trust Bank, which specialises in financing property developers.

 

Hardly middle class.

 

Alan Sugar's worth a lot more than Nick Clegg's dad - so does that make him upper class too?

[Wiltshire Saint]

What I really hate is the way that people like Dune try to make out they're all political and actually have some understanding of the whole political system, when in fact they're just thick c**** who have no idea about anything. You may think you're getting to heart of political debate, but you're not.....you're just highlighting what a tw*t you are, again.

 

F*** you and f*** this f***ing place. C****!

[View From The Top]

Cleggs father owns a 20-room chalet in the Alps and a chateau near Bordeaux. He is also chairman of the United Trust Bank, which specialises in financing property developers.

 

Hardly middle class.

 

I know a poster on here with a property portfolio similar to that who is also involved in banking. He comes from a council estate. Are his kids upper class?

 

I would suggest you do some research as you are actually looking dafter that usual.

[Wiltshire Saint]

Well, I beg to differ as he seems to be a stupid person or dolt and he apparently got a degree in Economics and Economic History in 1968 (according to Wiki).

 

Perhaps he is not a stupid person or dolt but he certainly comes across as one which I suggest is even more of an inglorious achievement than actually being one.

 

Dear Benji,

 

It pains me to have to write this, but I cannot let my feelings go unexpressed. You have been a long time faviurite of mine on this board. I like you, you say good things. However, your performance on this thread and on the subject of Prescott has been poor and you have let yourself and me down. There have been, recently, some other posts where you have displayed the "wrong" attitude. I am telling you this, with peace and love, for your own benefit. If you want to be in Wiltshire Saints gang, then sort yourself out. If you're not fussed about being in the WS gang, then this confirms that you are not the person I was hoping for. basically, stop being a tit, you're better than that.

[dune]

I know a poster on here with a property portfolio similar to that who is also involved in banking. He comes from a council estate. Are his kids upper class?

 

I would suggest you do some research as you are actually looking dafter that usual.

 

You can't help resulting to personal insults can you. I've ignored Wiltshire because he's just a kid, but you are a grown adult.

 

As to the question of class it can be interpreted in terms of wealth and power or in terms of birth. In terms of wealth and power the Cleggs are upper class.

[benjii]

Dear Benji,

 

It pains me to have to write this, but I cannot let my feelings go unexpressed. You have been a long time faviurite of mine on this board. I like you, you say good things. However, your performance on this thread and on the subject of Prescott has been poor and you have let yourself and me down. There have been, recently, some other posts where you have displayed the "wrong" attitude. I am telling you this, with peace and love, for your own benefit. If you want to be in Wiltshire Saints gang, then sort yourself out. If you're not fussed about being in the WS gang, then this confirms that you are not the person I was hoping for. basically, stop being a tit, you're better than that.

 

Dear Wiltsy, I hate to disappoint anyone. Sorry. But is Dune right...:

 

I've ignored Wiltshire because he's just a kid

 

It's probably not becoming of me to be in your gang if you are a kid. I've been told.

[SuperMikey]

You can't help resulting to personal insults can you. I've ignored Wiltshire because he's just a kid, but you are a grown adult.

 

As to the question of class it can be interpreted in terms of wealth and power or in terms of birth. In terms of wealth and power the Cleggs are upper class.

 

So, would you class (Sir) Alan Sugar as upper class then?

He's earned his wealth from the bottom up rather than being born into it like some people, so do his lower class roots mean he'll always be lower class or as he has a bit of money he's now automatically upper class?

[dune]

So, would you class (Sir) Alan Sugar as upper class then?

He's earned his wealth from the bottom up rather than being born into it like some people, so do his lower class roots mean he'll always be lower class or as he has a bit of money he's now automatically upper class?

 

Upper Class, but that's just how I choose to interpret the class system. He is extremely wealthy and extremely powerful. You can still use the old fashioned system of the landed gentry and the commoner, but i've got no chip on my shoulder so prefer to look at this in real terms.

[bridge too far]

Upper Class, but that's just how I choose to interpret the class system. He is extremely wealthy and extremely powerful. You can still use the old fashioned system of the landed gentry and the commoner, but i've got no chip on my shoulder so prefer to look at this in real terms.

 

Oh right - if you interpret it that way, it must be so.

 

I do believe Sir Alan Sugar is a Labour supporter.

[dune]

Oh right - if you interpret it that way, it must be so.

 

I do believe Sir Alan Sugar is a Labour supporter.

 

I'm not suggesting that my interpretation is right and yours is wrong, although you seem to be saying that you're right and i'm wrong. I'm saying that in this day and age I do not consider our country to be all about Dukes and the Clergy and small holders and tenant farmers and peasants.

[Mao Cap]

Someone in this election...

 

HAS A DAD WHO WORKS FOR A BANK!!!

 

Seriously, there's no need for Tories to do such pathetic straw-clutching just yet. Yeah Clegg won on Thursday, but he didn't pwn Cameron that hard.

[SuperMikey]

Upper Class, but that's just how I choose to interpret the class system. He is extremely wealthy and extremely powerful. You can still use the old fashioned system of the landed gentry and the commoner, but i've got no chip on my shoulder so prefer to look at this in real terms.

 

Well, my chip has another question for you. How would you class the 'lout' (as he was described by some newspapers at the time) who won about £9m on the lottery? He had no job, numerous children and I remember that everyone was rather p!ssed off when he won. Called Michael something I think.

 

He's got a lot of money (or rather had, heard he's spent it all now), so is he upper class now?

[Mao Cap]

The f*ck is this sh*t? The gif isn't moving and my joke is ruined point still stands, though.

[dune]

Well, my chip has another question for you. How would you class the 'lout' (as he was described by some newspapers at the time) who won about £9m on the lottery? He had no job, numerous children and I remember that everyone was rather p!ssed off when he won. Called Michael something I think.

 

He's got a lot of money (or rather had, heard he's spent it all now), so is he upper class now?

 

At the time when he was rich, yes. But thankfully he has now blown the lot.

[dune]

The f*ck is this sh*t? The gif isn't moving and my joke is ruined point still stands, though.

 

Is it a ferret?

[solentstars]

The truth being:

 

He wants to give a tax cut to everyone society, bringing an increase in the living standards of millions of the poorest people around.

He wants to abandon ID cards.

He wants to stop the country spending £100bn on Trident renewal. Let's not forget that nearly everybody in the world agrees it would be immoral to use these weapons, so why would we possibly want to spend so much on them?

He wants to put 3,000 more police on the streets.

His manifesto includes details on how he would pay for his spending pledges.

 

What a villain this man is. He's clearly a bad egg.

 

that's why the more people realize we don,t have to vote for the two establishment party's .

its great to see the die hard tories and labour supporters crying and whinging because people can see threw them .

[SuperMikey]

At the time when he was rich, yes. But thankfully he has now blown the lot.

 

So, he was surviving on benefits, had fathered several children with different women, lived on a council estate and didn't work, then he won £9m and that made him upper class?

 

Hell of a theory there Dune.

[Mao Cap]

Is it a ferret?

 

Chipmunk, I think -

 

Been around for years, still cracks me up though!

[dune]

Revealed: The United Nations that make up Nick Clegg

 

the family returned to Holland, where Hermance’s father Hemmy – a friend of the country’s royal family – became president of the Dutch banking giant ABN.

 

Of all the colourful names in the Clegg family tree it is his great, great aunt Moura Budberg who stands out.

 

The Russian-born noblewoman was suspected of spying for both the Soviet Union and British intelligence.

 

Mr Clegg’s parents met in 1956 when Hermance visited Cambridge and met Nicholas Clegg Snr, the son of Russian-born Baroness Kira von Engelhardt.

 

They raised their four children in affluent Chalfont St Giles in Buckinghamshire, benefiting from Clegg Snr’s successful banking career which has helped the family to buy a 20-room chalet in the Alps and a chateau near Bordeaux. He is now chairman of the United Trust Bank.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266826/The-United-Nations-Nick-Clegg.html#ixzz0lRSX45SW

 

So is Nick Cleggs father was a friend of the Dutch royal family, owns a chateau and a 20 room Alpine retreat, and is chairman of the United Trust Bank, his great great aunt was a Russian noble woman, and his father was the son of a Russian Baroness. But Nick Clegg claims to be Middle Class.

[sadoldgit]

NOt quite sure what all this has to do with hisa ability to lead a political party of even become Prime Minster? Why can't he claim to be middle class...what ever that is nowdays???