beatlesaint Posted 24 April, 2010 Share Posted 24 April, 2010 Isn't he out of contract in the summer? Yes he is....all this Reading will want him back talk is irrelevant. Its his choice, he will be a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2010 Yes he is....all this Reading will want him back talk is irrelevant. Its his choice, he will be a free agent. again..it clearly is not irrelevant as pardew has said that saints are in talks with reading about a perm move for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 24 April, 2010 Share Posted 24 April, 2010 again..it clearly is not irrelevant as pardew has said that saints are in talks with reading about a perm move for him... and again he is out of contract with them in the summer !! The OS have stated it a few times, the READING website says he is on a deal until summer 2010 so they should know shouldnt they ? It is not unreasonable that AP does not know the ins and outs of contracts of players we have on loan, he doesnt deal with that side of things does he ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2010 and again he is out of contract with them in the summer !! The OS have stated it a few times, the READING website says he is on a deal until summer 2010 so they should know shouldnt they ? It is not unreasonable that AP does not know the ins and outs of contracts of players we have on loan, he doesnt deal with that side of things does he ! behave yourself he said the club have been and are in talks with reading regarding making this a perm deal... im sure he is more fully aware the ins and outs of antonios contract than anyone on here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 24 April, 2010 Share Posted 24 April, 2010 behave yourself he said the club have been and are in talks with reading regarding making this a perm deal... im sure he is more fully aware the ins and outs of antonios contract than anyone on here.. Why have you ignored the bit about what it says on Reading's website ? Would his current employers/parent club not know more than anyone else ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2010 Why have you ignored the bit about what it says on Reading's website ? Would his current employers/parent club not know more than anyone else ? dear god...do you really think clubs look at each others website to find out about how to make/break player deals.. im SURE there is far, FAR more to players contracts than we would know.... and the FACT saints fc are in and have been in discussion with reading fc about making antonios move a perm one would suggest there is more to this than what is simply advertised on a clubs website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 April, 2010 Share Posted 24 April, 2010 behave yourself he said the club have been and are in talks with reading regarding making this a perm deal... im sure he is more fully aware the ins and outs of antonios contract than anyone on here.. He is out of contract, confirmed by Antonio in interview and Reading's website. If someone is out of contract the current club has no power other than to offer a deal themselves and hope he chooses ahead of anyone else. Pardew is either confusing "talking with Reading" with "talking to Antonio's agent" or they are discussing a compensation package due to him ending a contract and under 23 years old. I can't remember quite how the compensation would work as although Antonio is under 23 he isn't a product of Readings academy, so there may or may not be any to be paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Sounds to me like it's almost a done deal "I still don't know exactly what the future holds, but Reading and Southampton are in talks," he confirmed. "I'd be happy to stay because I'm enjoying my football, playing games and scoring goals, so there's nothing holding me back from signing. "I've made a lot of progress here and I feel that I've improved a lot on my technical ability, before I was raw with power and pace, but now I've got technicality as well." "There'll be a lot of expectation on us to win promotion next season and if we don't it would have to be a very good reason why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Sounds to me like it's almost a done deal "I still don't know exactly what the future holds, but Reading and Southampton are in talks," he confirmed. "I'd be happy to stay because I'm enjoying my football, playing games and scoring goals, so there's nothing holding me back from signing. "I've made a lot of progress here and I feel that I've improved a lot on my technical ability, before I was raw with power and pace, but now I've got technicality as well." "There'll be a lot of expectation on us to win promotion next season and if we don't it would have to be a very good reason why not. Lets hope so. I really dont understand whats going on....all the indications are that his contract with Reading is up in the summer, he himself is talking about "signing" for us yet it talks about us and them in talks ! Oh well, I'm sure it will all sort itself out in the enxt few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 still very raw but could be a hugely influential signing next season, we need to not let this one get away!! lets hope AP and ML are aware of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Sounds to me like it's almost a done deal "I still don't know exactly what the future holds, but Reading and Southampton are in talks," he confirmed. "I'd be happy to stay because I'm enjoying my football, playing games and scoring goals, so there's nothing holding me back from signing. "I've made a lot of progress here and I feel that I've improved a lot on my technical ability, before I was raw with power and pace, but now I've got technicality as well." "There'll be a lot of expectation on us to win promotion next season and if we don't it would have to be a very good reason why not. Pards said that they were talking to Reading to see if a deal could be done but nothing is settled yet. He said he wants him to stay and that Reading have a few decent wide players and MA may not get a look in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 I thought he was out of contract at the end of the season so was surprised with AP's comments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michail_Antonio http://www.reading-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/royals_sign_michail_antonio_414144/index.shtml http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/readingfc/s/2038258_antonio_signs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 I thought he was out of contract at the end of the season so was surprised with AP's comments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michail_Antonio http://www.reading-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/royals_sign_michail_antonio_414144/index.shtml http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/readingfc/s/2038258_antonio_signs He is but presumably because he is under 24 we would have to negotiate compensation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Pards said that they were talking to Reading to see if a deal could be done but nothing is settled yet. He said he wants him to stay and that Reading have a few decent wide players and MA may not get a look in there. We have to talk to Reading because of his age, I'm sure. To agree a permanent deal, we have to compensate them financially hence the talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 I thought that was if they had come through ranks-but it explains it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 My post from elsewhere: He's under 24 so Reading do have some sort of say. If they go and offer him a contract and Antonio turns it down so he can accept a contract elsewhere (us hopefully!) then we have to come to some sort of agreement over a fee. I guess we'd be speaking to them to persuade them not to offer a contract, or to agree a fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Much more reassuring from Antonio in his recent interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 25 April, 2010 Share Posted 25 April, 2010 Antonio's on £1000 a week at Reading, so money shouldn't be an issue. Its jJust a case of where he wants to play next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 He is out of contract, confirmed by Antonio in interview and Reading's website. If someone is out of contract the current club has no power other than to offer a deal themselves and hope he chooses ahead of anyone else. Pardew is either confusing "talking with Reading" with "talking to Antonio's agent" or they are discussing a compensation package due to him ending a contract and under 23 years old. I can't remember quite how the compensation would work as although Antonio is under 23 he isn't a product of Readings academy, so there may or may not be any to be paid. Because of his age in effect Reading get first go at offering him a contract as long as they do so as his current one runs out. IF they offer a contract and IF he refuses and signs for us, they are entitled to compensation. If they don't offer they don't get compensation. So in the circumstances Reading would be nuts not to offer a contract even if they don't really want him. The 2 clubs can then agree on the amount or it can go to tribunal where there are fairly well set guidelines for the compensation. Or maybe the clubs are talking about agreeing an amount now to circumvent the offering a contract farce, since both lots know the rules. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 about 3 weeks ago he spoke to a family member who is a friend of his and that time he was going back to Reading as their manager was very impressed with his showing in the JPT (especially the final) I agree the wording of his last interview gives me hope that he may well be persuaded to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 about 3 weeks ago he spoke to a family member who is a friend of his and that time he was going back to Reading as their manager was very impressed with his showing in the JPT (especially the final) I agree the wording of his last interview gives me hope that he may well be persuaded to stay. He's still a free agent in the summer with no contractual commitment to Reading so he can do what he likes. They're skint and we're not, so all we have to do is top their contract offer, that is if he's happy to play in L1 not the Championship. Tribunals are notorious for undervaluing players anyway, so even if Reading match or better their previous contracts offer he's likely to be decent value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspect everyone Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 I'd sign Antonio over signing Papa. However it'd be nice to have both next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 So in the circumstances Reading would be nuts not to offer a contract even if they don't really want him. Not really. Say MA has his heart set on playing in the Champioship next season and Reading offer him a contract inthe mistaken belief that he will turn it down but he takes it up. They are then stuck with a player they dont want on their books - they cannot afford that. They need to be sure he is going to sign for us before they offer him a "its not really there" contract. That is what is being discussed IMHO, that and how much Saints are willing to offer reading (maybe something as simple as first dibs on one of our young players) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 He's still a free agent in the summer with no contractual commitment to Reading so he can do what he likes. They're skint and we're not, so all we have to do is top their contract offer, that is if he's happy to play in L1 not the Championship. Tribunals are notorious for undervaluing players anyway, so even if Reading match or better their previous contracts offer he's likely to be decent value. i dont know how the contracts work, but he is still at present a Reading player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Good news he could be here next year! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2034801,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Stop flapping, I guarantee that on the first day the transfer window opens he'll be unvailed on the website as our first signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Stop flapping, I guarantee that on the first day the transfer window opens he'll be unvailed on the website as our first signing. Will I get compensation for emotional trauma if your guarantee doesn't hold up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 April, 2010 Share Posted 26 April, 2010 Because of his age in effect Reading get first go at offering him a contract as long as they do so as his current one runs out. IF they offer a contract and IF he refuses and signs for us, they are entitled to compensation. If they don't offer they don't get compensation. So in the circumstances Reading would be nuts not to offer a contract even if they don't really want him. The 2 clubs can then agree on the amount or it can go to tribunal where there are fairly well set guidelines for the compensation. Or maybe the clubs are talking about agreeing an amount now to circumvent the offering a contract farce, since both lots know the rules. K. I think they are only entitled to compensation if we offer a deal to MA that is LESS than the deal offered by reading and he still comes here. They took him from non league so don't get a training fee so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Bad news It's just been released on Sky that Reading have taken up the option to extend his contract by another season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 The swines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 By no means does that mean he won't be a Saints player next season. It is likely to be just Reading's way of getting compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 He can always put in a transfer request if he´s not happy with this deal. I guess that we soon will see that he will be in on loan for the whole next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Bad news It's just been released on Sky that Reading have taken up the option to extend his contract by another season Well at least that explains AP's comments about hoping to do some business with Reading over him. Looks like we will have to pay a transfer fee. No surprise they would go for that option really then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 He can always put in a transfer request if he´s not happy with this deal. I guess that we soon will see that he will be in on loan for the whole next season. That doesn't make any sense. He is out of contract in the summer. If he doesn't like Readings offer he can turn it down and accept Saints' offer. Nothing Reading can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Don't Reading have to offer him a contract in order to get compensation for a player who is under 24 years old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Looks like we will have to pay a transfer fee. It isn't a transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Don't Reading have to offer him a contract in order to get compensation for a player who is under 24 years old? Yes. Although I don't they will receive much as he hasn't been at Reading for long and a large part of that time he was at Saints. So Saints have probably had far more impact on his career so far so any development fee will be small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Well it is a fee since he is under 24 - but what the heck why dont call it a transfer fee ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Well it is a fee since he is under 24 - but what the heck why dont call it a transfer fee ? Because it isn't a transfer of the player's registration from one team to another. He is out of contract and thus becomes unattached and not a Reading player. Any payment to Reading is a development compensation fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Well I guess the fact they have done it now rather than wait til the end of the season in a couple of weeks means that our "talks/compensation deal" is progressing in a manner we would wish for ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 (edited) Readings contract with Antonio had an option to extend if he was considered to be making progress. Reading have triggered that contract extension so he's still a Reading player if we want him we will have to pay for him. Guess we will see how much AP wants him and how much Antonio wants to be a saint. If not time for Kayne Mclaggon to step up from the reserves prehaps? http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10306~2037497,00.html Edited 28 April, 2010 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Because it isn't a transfer of the player's registration from one team to another. He is out of contract and thus becomes unattached and not a Reading player. Any payment to Reading is a development compensation fee. Talk about being pedantic. You were harping on earlier Reading had nothing to do with it until Ken Tone and myself corrected everyone. Reading Football Club have taken up the option to extend Michail Antonio's contract for a further season. Michail signed for Reading from Tooting & Mitcham in October 2008, and his initial contract ran until the end of this campaign, but with a clause that allowed the club to extend his stay for a further season if he continued to progress. Going by that it sounds like it was the club's option to extend the contract and not the player's. If that is true and we want him in the summer we'll have to go through the transfer process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 This suggests Reading need the cash. http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/readingfc/s/2070129_reading_fc_must_save_4million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishsaint83 Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 not looking good for us.... http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10306~2037497,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 I'd hoped to keep him, but if Reading have extended his contract for another year, then we will perhaps have to look elsewhere to sign a replacement. Or is this just a ploy by Reading to raise his value, playing hardball for more money? If we have to return him, more pressing need to sign Papa, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Talk about being pedantic. You were harping on earlier Reading had nothing to do with it until Ken Tone and myself corrected everyone. l Excuse me 'about 3 weeks ago he spoke to a family member who is a friend of his and that time he was going back to Reading as their manager was very impressed with his showing in the JPT (especially the final)' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 I'd hoped to keep him, but if Reading have extended his contract for another year, then we will perhaps have to look elsewhere to sign a replacement. Or is this just a ploy by Reading to raise his value, playing hardball for more money? If we have to return him, more pressing need to sign Papa, I'd say. They're totally different types of players though. If we don't sign Antonio I'd expect us to find someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 As good as Antonio is there are always better options available. Shame to see him go back to Reading, maybe we should have made more of an effort to sign him in the winter transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 As good as Antonio is there are always better options available. Shame to see him go back to Reading, maybe we should have made more of an effort to sign him in the winter transfer window. Maybe his replacement is closer to home, by all accounts he has done well in the reserves looked good last season before his injury. Got to be worth a runout in the last two games of this season at least IMO. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10280~46142,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 April, 2010 Share Posted 28 April, 2010 Or is this just a ploy by Reading to raise his value, playing hardball for more money? If they hadnt taken up the option he would have been a free agent and they wouldn't have got a penny. Seems that when AP talked on Saturday about doing business with Reading over Antonio he and Saints knew or were pretty sure that they would activate the years option in order to get some financial package for him. IMHO of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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