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doddisalegend

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Reading have watched his progress , especially in the JPT and their new manager wants him back. So dont tear yourselves up whether he will sign .

I believe it is out of our hands.

 

They've left it late then as he is out of contract for them soon, surely we can make an offer as attractive as anything Reading can?

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Reading have watched his progress , especially in the JPT and their new manager wants him back. So dont tear yourselves up whether he will sign .

I believe it is out of our hands.

 

He is no longer their player. He is contracted to us until the end of the season and then is his own man. Reading will have to pay his signing on fee, like any other club.

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True. Although looking at the Reading fan forums just now they don't think he is better than what they have. So bench warmer (if he is lucky) in the championship or more regular football with us in league one I think he wants to play myself.

how would reading fans now exactly...it matters not what they think..but what their management think and what antonio thinks

 

I would not be shocked if antonio himself thinks he could be a starter in the CCC...

 

if he can be a starting player for saints and shine (like he has done) then no doubt he could be a starting player for many CCC sides

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He is no longer their player. He is contracted to us until the end of the season and then is his own man. Reading will have to pay his signing on fee, like any other club.

He is at this time, their player. They are able to offer him a renewed contract during this time and they want him.

If he was one of our players out on loan and we knew he was likely to be a free agent Im sure3 the fans would be baying for us to get him resigned.

He has impressed the new manager ,especially his performance in the JPT final.

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He is at this time, their player. They are able to offer him a renewed contract during this time and they want him.

If he was one of our players out on loan and we knew he was likely to be a free agent Im sure3 the fans would be baying for us to get him resigned.

He has impressed the new manager ,especially his performance in the JPT final.

 

Yes Nick they are but as I said before if that offer has not made by 1st January (6 months prior to the contract expiry), Antonio is free to negotiate a contract with any club he likes. He may well decide he is better off staying at Reading, after all but I would have thought he is likely to keep his options open until the summer.

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Yes Nick they are but as I said before if that offer has not made by 1st January (6 months prior to the contract expiry), Antonio is free to negotiate a contract with any club he likes. He may well decide he is better off staying at Reading, after all but I would have thought he is likely to keep his options open until the summer.

i dont know about the contract issue and pre jan, just the little I know about the situation.

I hope Antonio understands his future is better served here, but Reading are a division higher and their new manager seems to be getting them moving up.

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Even if reading do want him back i can't see him being a starter, both Kebe and Mcanuff are better than he is and TBF i think he would struggle to make the step up to the NPC at this time.

 

He has poential though, whether that potential is fulfilled is another matter. Personally, i think he will get more game time for us ATM.

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I'm gonna stick my neck out now and say that Antonio could well be playing in the Prem in a few years, whether or us or someone else i'm not sure. His all-round game is awesome, he tracks back, he has pace AND strength, he can beat his man (and several others after that) with ease, he has a brilliant cross on him AND he's a f*cking brilliant finisher.

 

A brilliant cross?

 

Michail Antonio yeah? He canny cross for toffee lad

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As I understand it, as a player under 24, Reading can either offer him a contract (which he could choose to sign and stay with them) or not. If they offer him a contract, and he declines, then he's able to sign for someone else but that other team will have to agree a transfer fee with Reading (or go to a tribunal to resolve). If they don't offer him a contract, he's like any other free agent and can sign for whoever he likes.

 

I suspect he's happy here and would sign for us, whoever (realistically) offers him a deal. The sticking point for us would be if Reading offer him a contract, but he chooses us, as we'd then have to thrash out the fee.

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Yeah sign him up I reckon. Even if we go up he's a decent backup. He'll be free as he's out of contract (isn't he?) and wont cost much in terms of wages. He's still very raw but he has strength, pace and he's direct which causes teams problems.

 

Wouldn't sign Papa to be honest. I think there will be better options in the market.

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As I understand it, as a player under 24, Reading can either offer him a contract (which he could choose to sign and stay with them) or not. If they offer him a contract, and he declines, then he's able to sign for someone else but that other team will have to agree a transfer fee with Reading (or go to a tribunal to resolve). If they don't offer him a contract, he's like any other free agent and can sign for whoever he likes.

 

I suspect he's happy here and would sign for us, whoever (realistically) offers him a deal. The sticking point for us would be if Reading offer him a contract, but he chooses us, as we'd then have to thrash out the fee.

 

As he is under 24, if Reading offered him a new contract we would be bound to offer him a contract of equal or increased terms in order for it to have a chance to go through.

 

I would imagine we would do that, and therefore it would be his choice were he would go.

 

Personally, i wouldn't break the bank on him, but i think he has potential.

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As I understand it, as a player under 24, Reading can either offer him a contract (which he could choose to sign and stay with them) or not. If they offer him a contract, and he declines, then he's able to sign for someone else but that other team will have to agree a transfer fee with Reading (or go to a tribunal to resolve). If they don't offer him a contract, he's like any other free agent and can sign for whoever he likes.

 

I suspect he's happy here and would sign for us, whoever (realistically) offers him a deal. The sticking point for us would be if Reading offer him a contract, but he chooses us, as we'd then have to thrash out the fee.

Question, which I don't know the answer to BTW! Is the U24 rule valid for a player that wasn't trained/brought up via the academy system? I thought it was introduced to compensate a club who had developed the player, however since Antonio was signed from non-League football, do Reading still qualify for this?

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I can understand people saying Antonio and Jones are similar in that they are raw talents. However they are certainly not the same type of player. Kenwyne is a striker and his main attribute is his aerial ability. Antonio is very much a winger and not that good in the air.

 

Really? Thanks for that.

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Although their scoring records aren't miles apart. I still can't see all the fuss about Jones, tbh. 2 seasons in the Prem and he didn't hit double figures in either of them. Hardly the prolific talent some would have us believe that we lost.

 

I agree. Massively overrated.

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Give it to Ron

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A brilliant cross?

 

Michail Antonio yeah? He canny cross for toffee lad

 

Were you so ****ed at the JPT you couldnt see who crossed for the handball??

Your blinkered approach to him baffles me - why dont you admit your wrong here?

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Were you so ****ed at the JPT you couldnt see who crossed for the handball??

Your blinkered approach to him baffles me - why dont you admit your wrong here?

 

No i saw it was him.

 

One swallow doesn't make a spring.......(usually makes my night though)

 

If i thought i was wrong, then i would admit to it

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As I understand it, as a player under 24, Reading can either offer him a contract (which he could choose to sign and stay with them) or not. If they offer him a contract, and he declines, then he's able to sign for someone else but that other team will have to agree a transfer fee with Reading (or go to a tribunal to resolve). If they don't offer him a contract, he's like any other free agent and can sign for whoever he likes.

 

I suspect he's happy here and would sign for us, whoever (realistically) offers him a deal. The sticking point for us would be if Reading offer him a contract, but he chooses us, as we'd then have to thrash out the fee.

 

I thought Reading had already released him?

Might have got that wrong though.

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I thought Reading had already released him?

Might have got that wrong though.

I think we have him on loan from reading till the end of the season

which is when his contract runs out

 

to be fair to him...he is bound to wait and see what reading will offer him..

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how would reading fans now exactly...it matters not what they think..but what their management think and what antonio thinks

 

I would not be shocked if antonio himself thinks he could be a starter in the CCC...

 

if he can be a starting player for saints and shine (like he has done) then no doubt he could be a starting player for many CCC sides

 

Brendon Rodgers got the boot in mid December, Antonio's 1st loan spell ended in January yet the current reading manager was happy to let him stay with us for the rest of the season. They haven't it seems offered him a new contract either. If they rated him I would have excpected the latter and might have excpected him to be recalled or put on short term loans so he could be if the need arose. I really don't see him starting ahead of the current Reading team, here he knows he will get first team football.

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Brendon Rodgers got the boot in mid December, Antonio's 1st loan spell ended in January yet the current reading manager was happy to let him stay with us for the rest of the season. They haven't it seems offered him a new contract either. If they rated him I would have excpected the latter and might have excpected him to be recalled or put on short term loans so he could be if the need arose. I really don't see him starting ahead of the current Reading team, here he knows he will get first team football.

it is easy to let a player stay on loan when a new manager comes in..a player that was not really required..

 

NOW, he has improved huge amounts..and to be fair, reading are in the driving seat for no other reason that they can offer CCC football

 

we SHOULD be worried IF nickh is right about them being impressed with his progress..

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He is at this time, their player. They are able to offer him a renewed contract during this time and they want him.

If he was one of our players out on loan and we knew he was likely to be a free agent Im sure3 the fans would be baying for us to get him resigned.

He has impressed the new manager ,especially his performance in the JPT final.

 

So are we and any other team, as he is into the last 6 months of his contract.

 

He is no more their player than he is ours. If Reading want him, they will join the queue of any other clubs that do..... infact they will probably be behind on the basis that the other clubs will expect to pay a signing on fee and Reading might not feel so inclined, they could have extended his contract without one, but decided not to.

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Judging from the way AP has treated and played Antonio and Waigo it seems very clear to me. He likes Antonio, plays him and supports his confidence. His signing is an absolute certainty.

 

Regarding Waigo, AP doesn't fancy him, plays him sparingly, ignores his goal scoring and assisting prowess, and undermines his confidence. I can't see him being offered a contract, and if he was, why would he want to play here?

 

My appreciation for Antonio has improved somewhat from my early assessment of him, but whilst fun to watch he is a limited player. I would think that giving him a years contract, which will be cheap and uncontested, would make us find out whether he's got what it takes or not.

 

I also believe that Waigo is one of our most underrated players of all time. Properly supported and played in the positions he is best at I think he has the potential to become a superstar. His scoring and assist record this season tells us of a rare talent. Sadly we won't see him blossom at Southampton.

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Were you so ****ed at the JPT you couldnt see who crossed for the handball??

Your blinkered approach to him baffles me - why dont you admit your wrong here?

 

Ron does a long throw count as a cross?

 

You're thinking of the wrong goal. Lallana's goal came from Lambert's flick-on of Antonio's long throw; the handball for the penalty was from an Antonio cross.

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Judging from the way AP has treated and played Antonio and Waigo it seems very clear to me. He likes Antonio, plays him and supports his confidence. His signing is an absolute certainty.

 

Regarding Waigo, AP doesn't fancy him, plays him sparingly, ignores his goal scoring and assisting prowess, and undermines his confidence. I can't see him being offered a contract, and if he was, why would he want to play here?

 

My appreciation for Antonio has improved somewhat from my early assessment of him, but whilst fun to watch he is a limited player. I would think that giving him a years contract, which will be cheap and uncontested, would make us find out whether he's got what it takes or not.

 

I also believe that Waigo is one of our most underrated players of all time. Properly supported and played in the positions he is best at I think he has the potential to become a superstar. His scoring and assist record this season tells us of a rare talent. Sadly we won't see him blossom at Southampton.

 

I have to agree with you about Papa, he seems to have got the hang of the offside rule which was his main problem when he arrived . I'd love him to stay he's a good character and a fantastic sub without him we'd never have won the JPT. Having said that I could see him wanting to move on for more regular football a lot of teams in this league would love to have him I reckon.

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Although their scoring records aren't miles apart. I still can't see all the fuss about Jones, tbh. 2 seasons in the Prem and he didn't hit double figures in either of them. Hardly the prolific talent some would have us believe that we lost.

 

Huh go figure. I thought I was in the minority (as in minority of 1) here in thinking KJ was actually bloody average. Bambi on ice a lot of the times.

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I agree. Massively overrated.

 

Up until this season he's basically kept them in the league on his own, I hate him as much as anyone but you can't doubt his ability.

 

7 goals with 10 assists in his first season in the Prem is a fantastic return, especially considering he spent most of his time up front on his own and didn't take any penalties.

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I really hope so...he offers so much pace and work rate

sure he can have an off game but the effort he puts in during a game is unreal...

he is such a threat going forward with his pace and unpredictable dribbling ability

I really hope he stays and does not go back to reading

 

 

Here I go ..agreeing with you AGAIN... tdd

 

yes of course he must stay, he's a raw talent but has got energy, pace and can score goals-thank goodness.

He needs coaching of course. Learning to pace himself through a game but has that sudden cahnge of pace and what a throw.

 

Considering he's out of contract with Reading ...why would we not sign him ?

 

I think there is a bigger question (in some people's minds ) over papa Waigo ...but I'd keep him, too

unless Nicola plans to sign Messi, that is !

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