Consevative Manifesto

[Thedelldays]

Am I the only one who couldn't give a **** about the NHS?

 

I have private health care, so should everyone else.

the NHS is essential for the UK imo

but needs a farking mega re think

 

how on earth can sex changes and the like be paid for by the tax payer

[bridge too far]

Am I the only one who couldn't give a **** about the NHS?

 

I have private health care, so should everyone else.

 

This statement, more than any other ever posted on here, just about sums up those who support right-wing policies.

[dune]

This statement, more than any other ever posted on here, just about sums up those who support right-wing policies.

 

You pay pivately to insure your car, so why not pay pivately for healthcare? The NHS is a wasteful bureacracy and not value for money. I bet I pay more in tax to support the NHS than I pay to go private.

[Gemmel]

This statement, more than any other ever posted on here, just about sums up those who support right-wing policies.

 

Its not a right wing policy to do away with the NHS:confused::confused:

[bridge too far]

Its not a right wing policy to do away with the NHS:confused::confused:

 

So they say.

 

But ask yourself this:

 

Who introduced the internal market in the NHS that created more bureaucracy that people moan about now?

 

Who introduced the concept of PFI (continued by the present government, to its eternal shame)?

 

Who introduced market testing which resulted in external private companies being brought in to clean hospitals - and look what happened.

[View From The Top]

Am I the only one who couldn't give a **** about the NHS?

 

I have private health care, so should everyone else.

 

Is that because there are less black people working for BUPA Stanley?

 

Don't suppose NF supporters like to be touched by them.

[View From The Top]

the NHS is essential for the UK imo

but needs a farking mega re think

 

how on earth can sex changes and the like be paid for by the tax payer

 

I'd agree with that. However, I do understand how some folk get sex changes on the NHS but the amount of money we waste dealing with fat bast*rds and smokers really grips my sh*t.

[View From The Top]

This statement, more than any other ever posted on here, just about sums up those who support right-wing policies.

 

Stanley isn't right wing, he's a NF following neo-nazi.

[dune]

So they say.

 

But ask yourself this:

 

Who introduced the internal market in the NHS that created more bureaucracy that people moan about now?

 

Who introduced the concept of PFI (continued by the present government, to its eternal shame)?

 

Who introduced market testing which resulted in external private companies being brought in to clean hospitals - and look what happened.

 

I personally think Matrons should be brought back to run wards.

[bridge too far]

I personally think Matrons should be brought back to run wards.

 

They have been - quite some time ago

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1259871.stm

 

Probably not the Hattie Jaques type that would appeal to you though

[dune]

They have been - quite some time ago

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1259871.stm

 

Probably not the Hattie Jaques type that would appeal to you though

 

I don't recall see a matron when my dad was in hospital, but guess i could be wrong. Are they rolled out accross all the wards in all the hospitals now?

[bridge too far]

I don't recall see a matron when my dad was in hospital, but guess i could be wrong. Are they rolled out accross all the wards in all the hospitals now?

 

No - if you'd read the link you would see that:

 

"Each matron will be in charge of three to four wards and will be responsible for certain specialities like cancer, paediatrics or surgery."

 

In the olden days there just used to be one matron for each hospital.

 

"The role of the matron was abolished in the British National Health Service in the late 1960s as part of the reorganisation recommended by the Salmon report."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matron#cite_note-nhshistory-1

 

I have a friend who is matron for the paediatrics department at a very large local hospital. It's a big, big job.

[dune]

Back to the Tories, where the **** have they dug this weirdo up from? Seen him being interviewed a few times and he reminds me of a character out of thunderbirds.

 

http://www.michaelgove.com/

 

I think Cameron will make a good PM, and with Ken clarke showing Osborne what to do reckon the economy will be well run, but i really do think the shadow cabinet is as poor as i've ever seen a Tory cabinet. If only we could turn the clock back and get Maggie and the old guard back.

[Ponty]

I'd agree with that. However, I do understand how some folk get sex changes on the NHS but the amount of money we waste dealing with fat bast*rds and smokers really grips my sh*t.

Oh come on, the portion of duty paid by smokers which goes to the NHS far outstrips the costs of smoking related illness. Now, fatties, I'm with you there.

[bridge too far]

Oh come on, the portion of duty paid by smokers which goes to the NHS far outstrips the costs of smoking related illness. Now, fatties, I'm with you there.

 

Did anyone else see Panorama last night? About children having surgery at Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

 

A 5 year old boy who weighed as much as a 15 year old and whose face was so fat he could barely see

 

A 2 year old who had to have her milk teeth extracted because they were rotten from her taking a bottle to bed

 

A 4 year old having her baby teeth removed because he had to have ketchup on everything

 

Shocking programme!

[Thedelldays]

I honeslty think allowing your child to get fat or in a state like that should be treated as child abuse (if it isnt already)

[dune]

Oh come on, the portion of duty paid by smokers which goes to the NHS far outstrips the costs of smoking related illness. Now, fatties, I'm with you there.

 

I recently visited a relative with lung cancer at the hospital and couldn't believe my eyes when i saw a woman in a wheel chair outside with like a trolley thing holding a drip smoking a fag. People like that shouldn't receive treatement other than keeping them pain free.

[bridge too far]

I honeslty think allowing your child to get fat or in a state like that should be treated as child abuse (if it isnt already)

 

The sad thing about that little boy is that his mother was convinced he was eating healthily - fruit and vegetables.

 

It was the AMOUNT he was eating, coupled with the fact that he was too fat to exercise.

 

Poor little chap.

[bridge too far]

I recently visited a relative with lung cancer at the hospital and couldn't believe my eyes when i saw a woman in a wheel chair outside with like a trolley thing holding a drip smoking a fag. People like that shouldn't receive treatement other than keeping them pain free.

 

So what are you saying here? That ALL people who smoke should be denied treatment. Even if they've been smashed up in a road accident and their admittance is nothing to do with smoking related disease?

 

If so you will, presumably, extend this theory to ALL people who over-eat or drink too much or break legs playing football or skiing?

 

After all, that's all self-inflicted, isn't it?

[dune]

So what are you saying here? That ALL people who smoke should be denied treatment. Even if they've been smashed up in a road accident and their admittance is nothing to do with smoking related disease?

 

If so you will, presumably, extend this theory to ALL people who over-eat or drink too much or break legs playing football or skiing?

 

After all, that's all self-inflicted, isn't it?

 

No she was in a ward treating lung cancer and she'd been wheeled out with her drip to smoke. Whats the point of treating her? Just give her morphine for the pain and don't treat the illness is what i'm saying.

 

It's a bit like when George Best was treated and carried on drinking. It's a waste of money treating people like this.

Edited 14 April, 2010 by dune

[bridge too far]

Well, Dune, I don't know this lady's circumstances any more than you do.

 

But maybe she was terminally ill? In which case, it's not the end of the world if she's allowed a smoke in her final days, is it?

 

Her treatment wouldn't cost any more than if she no longer smoked, if she was terminally ill.

 

Maybe we should have 3 strikes and you're out for sports-related injuries?

 

Just as heartless.

 

Oh - and if she was terminally ill - maybe the drip had morphine? To ease her pain?

[View From The Top]

Oh come on, the portion of duty paid by smokers which goes to the NHS far outstrips the costs of smoking related illness. Now, fatties, I'm with you there.

 

I'm an ex-smoker therefore a zealot I'm afraid.

[View From The Top]

I honeslty think allowing your child to get fat or in a state like that should be treated as child abuse (if it isnt already)

 

My wife and I said the exact same thing last night.

 

Fat kids = sh*t parents.

[dune]

On the issue of smoking those new tablets are supposed to be good. Apparently unlike with nicotine replacement these block the part of the brain that causes the craving which means that when you come off the tablets you're "clean" as oposed to having to come offf the nicotine patches.

[SO16_Saint]

I recently visited a relative with lung cancer at the hospital and couldn't believe my eyes when i saw a woman in a wheel chair outside with like a trolley thing holding a drip smoking a fag. People like that shouldn't receive treatement other than keeping them pain free.

 

 

"The saddest thing that i've ever seen is smokers outside the hospital door" - Editors.

 

Very true, and in my view they should all be banned from smoking whilst in hospital.

 

And no - i dont, and have never smoked.

[bridge too far]

On the issue of smoking those new tablets are supposed to be good. Apparently unlike with nicotine replacement these block the part of the brain that causes the craving which means that when you come off the tablets you're "clean" as oposed to having to come offf the nicotine patches.

 

They make you have horrible nightmares though

 

I even dreamt about you Dune - I came off the tabs straight away.

[bridge too far]

"The saddest thing that i've ever seen is smokers outside the hospital door" - Editors.

 

Very true, and in my view they should all be banned from smoking whilst in hospital.

 

And no - i dont, and have never smoked.

 

Did you know that, even now, some hospitals have some smoking rooms in Theatres for staff involved in surgery?

 

At the insistence of some consultants, I should add.

[dune]

Did you know that, even now, some hospitals have some smoking rooms in Theatres for staff involved in surgery?

 

At the insistence of some consultants, I should add.

 

To be fair the smoking ban is a joke, just like the hunting ban, and now they're going to ban Meow Meow the ****s. They'll soon be nothing left un banned.

[revolution saint]

Of course smokers are actually doing non smokers a favour. They massively subsidise the NHS and they die younger. They don't draw pensions for as long and they don't spend years in nursing homes costing £400 quid a week.

[Johnny Bognor]

Did you know that, even now, some hospitals have some smoking rooms in Theatres for staff involved in surgery?

 

At the insistence of some consultants, I should add.

 

Never get away with that in the private sector

[revolution saint]

Never get away with that in the private sector

 

More likely actually. They don't have to file stats for MRSA and other health care acquired illnesses.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I honeslty think allowing your child to get fat or in a state like that should be treated as child abuse (if it isnt already)

 

What about allowing your child to grow into an incredibly stupid adult? This should be punishable retrospectively.

[Saintandy666]

People who aren't in favour of the NHS seriously need to do a bit of research into the US system. I can't be bothered to go into too much detail as it's late, but people get chucked out on the streets if they can't afford treatment and falling ill often means you are bankrupted, even if you have insurance as insurance is no guarantee of treatment(sadly due to the attitude of the large companies). It is awful over there if you are in the large group of people who aren't rich enough to afford full coverage. Thankfully, Obama's reforms should correct some of this.

[Johnny Bognor]

More likely actually.

 

 

So are you seriously suggesting that in a company location (similar in size to your average hospital) that you are more likely to find an inside smoking room?

 

Don't be daft.

 

For starters, in the event of a fire, insurance would be invalidated (just one fag butt on the premises could invalidate your insurance). The fines imposed would not be worth the risk. Non smoking staff wouldn't tolerate it. The 'benefit' would not be worth the risks as well as the fact it is against the law.

Edited 15 April, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[trousers]

NHS workers smoking is akin to Policemen shoplifting and firemen starting fires. According to the wisdom of logic that is.

[benjii]

Oh come on, the portion of duty paid by smokers which goes to the NHS far outstrips the costs of smoking related illness. Now, fatties, I'm with you there.

 

VAT on food it is then!

[bridge too far]

More likely actually. They don't have to file stats for MRSA and other health care acquired illnesses.

 

Quite right - they don't.

 

Many years ago, the sterile services department at the hospital I was working in, suffered a major power outage and began to run out of 'sets' (the prepacked trays made up for specific operations).

 

The hospital worked on a Just in Time principle (like most production lines) and so began to run out of spares too.

 

In a desperate effort to keep the theatres working, they rang round other hospitals. When it was suggested that they try some of the local private hospitals they were told that they couldn't do this because private hospitals don't have the required quality control procedures (CE marking) that NHS hospitals do, and they weren't allowed to take the risk that the sets in the private hospitals might not be of the required sterile standard.

[bridge too far]

Never get away with that in the private sector

 

 

Remember, I said it was the consultants in the main that pushed for this. The very consultants that work in the private sector too.

[Wade Garrett]

Anyway, about the Tory manifesto. After months and months of not telling anyone their policies, they come up with this document, which, frankly is an anti-climax and certainly hasn't gripped the nation.

 

I don't know what they expected, as apparently the brains behind it all is Oliver Letwin.