Without the -10

[ponto1963]

"Without the -10...." we'd have been taken over by Pinnacle rather than a billionaire.

 

The phrase 'blessing in disguise' springs to mind...

 

Hadn't thought of that. Pinnacle or -10 ????

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I'd rather have the -10 & ML as our owner .

[S-Clarke]

i feel you are the clueless c*nt, we play sh*t football and are currently 26 points behind norwich, 18 on millwall and 14 behind charlton who are quite clearly a weaker team than us. We have dropped way too many points from winning positions and have failed to beat poor teams. We threw away two points at brentford(home and away), exeter, millwall (home and away) and even STOCKPORT!!!

 

but your view is a bit silly, as you've put all of the bad results into one pot without actually trying to understand the stage the team was at, or when in the season we got those results.

 

The -10 and the start killed us (where 60-70% of those results occurred), after we got over that and into October, we have had similar form to that of Norwich/Millwall/Swindon over the course of the season. If that doesn't convince people that we'll be pushing next season, i don't know what will. There is currently very little wrong with this football club in the grand scheme of things - so enjoy it.

 

It's all well and good at quoting the ''SO MANY POINTS BEHIND NORWICH'' line - but try to understand exactly why we are, and it's not because we're ****.

[paulwantsapint]

Simple question if you could only have one of the following what would it be...?

 

Not playing pretty ( but not as ugly as branfoot liked ) football but winning

 

Playing pretty football but losing

[saintjinksie]

but your view is a bit silly, as you've put all of the bad results into one pot without actually trying to understand the stage the team was at, or when in the season we got those results.

 

The -10 and the start killed us (where 60-70% of those results occurred), after we got over that and into October, we have had similar form to that of Norwich/Millwall/Swindon over the course of the season. If that doesn't convince people that we'll be pushing next season, i don't know what will. There is currently very little wrong with this football club in the grand scheme of things - so enjoy it.

 

It's all well and good at quoting the ''SO MANY POINTS BEHIND NORWICH'' line - but try to understand exactly why we are, and it's not because we're ****.

 

tranmere away, but a few weeks ago, was as poor as ive seen a saints team play this season or maybe that was wycombe away, im not sure...

[Dark Munster]

"Without the -10...." we'd have been taken over by Pinnacle rather than a billionaire.

 

The phrase 'blessing in disguise' springs to mind...

 

Pinnacle used the -10 as an excuse to pull out. The real reason is that they didn't have a pot to piss in.

 

Pardew is a competent manager but with Leibherr's resources and Corteses' business skills, there may well be a lot of other managers who could have done as well, and some maybe better. AP's eye for a player is good, but for me he is too cautious given the quality of his squad.

 

Wow, I can't believe I actually for once agree with the professor.

[hamster]

I cannot think of a game where i left and thought we actually played well. yesterday's game was poor, we couldnt string more than 5 passes together and the decision making by some of our attacking players is awful. if we get promoted and play like that we will have our backsides royally whipped and if we play like that in legaue 1 we will have a similar season next year. Pardew's get out of jail card is that he has a load of money behind him and will just buy someone rather than working with the squad he has to cover his ineptitude.

 

 

Pompey?

[Micky]

Without wishing to sound harsh - there are an awful lot of 'ifs' and 'buts' in this thread, and associated with this subject in general.

 

The fact of the matter is that we were given a 10 point penalty, and have failed to deal with it up to now. If truth is to be believed, when AP took the job there was a '5 year plan' in place, it appeared that there was no pressure to gain promotion this term. As the money started to flow, the expectations / aims started to change, and the goalposts appear to have moved, however we have only a slim chance of making it now.

 

The playing field will be levelled next season - I just hope that the nucleus of these players remain at SMS and that the hunger and desire to get into the CCC is still there.

[Genk]

tranmere away, but a few weeks ago, was as poor as ive seen a saints team play this season or maybe that was wycombe away, im not sure...

 

Top teams still lose these sorts of games occasionally and can afford to, i.e Norwich lost at Tranmere the other week. However because of the -10 & poor start we really couldn't afford these slip-ups but they happen over the course of the season, even to the best teams.

[Noodles34]

If we arent in automatic promotion spot by Xmas, he should go.

 

Inconsistency will be inexcusable next season.

 

like fans who dont even go to games eh?

[alpine_saint]

like fans who dont even go to games eh?

 

Not interested in the "I'm a Über Fan, I go to consideraaaably more games than youuuse" bullsh*t which some use to cover up their other inadequacies with.

 

If you think living in another country, best part of 1000miles away, with a young family (including 2month old baby) isnt sufficient reason for not attending games, then I feel very sorry for you.

[Noodles34]

Not interested in the "I'm a Über Fan, I go to consideraaaably more games than youuuse" bullsh*t which some use to cover up their other inadequacies with.

 

If you think living in another country, best part of 1000miles away, with a young family (including 2month old baby) isnt sufficient reason for not attending games, then I feel very sorry for you.

 

you went to Wembley did you? I don't know but if you didn't then you really are a 'plastic' fan.

 

People like you come on here and **** and moan all the time and don't even go, maybe you are just 'getting a rise' and people like me fall for it?

[Noodles34]

Not interested in the "I'm a Über Fan, I go to consideraaaably more games than youuuse" bullsh*t which some use to cover up their other inadequacies with.

 

If you think living in another country, best part of 1000miles away, with a young family (including 2month old baby) isnt sufficient reason for not attending games, then I feel very sorry for you.

 

I think a few people made it from further, Jesus, Suisse, a 200 quid Easy Jet journey to London, a real effort. As for a 2 month old baby, so what? We've all had them mate, the world doesn't stop (unless you are saying you a single parent in which case i would apologetically take it all back) and they dont notice much at that age, lame argument to say the least.

[Super_Uwe]

If we arent in automatic promotion spot by Xmas, he should go.

 

Inconsistency will be inexcusable next season.

 

I can't understand why you would want rid of AP if we're not in 1st or 2nd next year by Christmas (that's if we don't go up this year of course - it's still very unlikely but not out of the question).

 

AP's mandate is to get promotion. Like most teams who see themselves as favourites, noone really wants to have to go via the playoff route because it becomes much more of a lottery.

 

But what if we finished 6th next year and then won the playoff final? Would it really matter? Course it wouldn't!

 

You only need to look at the top two at Christmas this year in League One (Leeds and Charlton) to tell you that it doesn't really matter where you are at Christmas. Winning the "first half" of the season is merely a matter of pride because you get nowt for it, other than a shed load of pressure as you're then the favourites to go up. So what will matter is whether we're in contention or not to get promoted, and I would hope that would be the case.

 

I do kind of understand your point about not accepting second best, but if we use your logic we might potentially get rid of AP if in 3rd or 4th place next year at Xmas - that would be sheer lunacy IMHO.

[Noodles34]

]I can't understand why you would want rid of AP if we're not in 1st or 2nd next year by Christmas (that's if we don't go up this year of course - it's still very unlikely but not out of the question).[/b]

AP's mandate is to get promotion. Like most teams who see themselves as favourites, noone really wants to have to go via the playoff route because it becomes much more of a lottery.

 

But what if we finished 6th next year and then won the playoff final? Would it really matter? Course it wouldn't!

 

You only need to look at the top two at Christmas this year in League One (Leeds and Charlton) to tell you that it doesn't really matter where you are at Christmas. Winning the "first half" of the season is merely a matter of pride because you get nowt for it, other than a shed load of pressure as you're then the favourites to go up. So what will matter is whether we're in contention or not to get promoted, and I would hope that would be the case.

 

I do kind of understand your point about not accepting second best, but if we use your logic we might potentially get rid of AP if in 3rd or 4th place next year at Xmas - that would be sheer lunacy IMHO.

 

cause its not good enough from his armchair in Switzerland!

[Noodles34]

if silence was loud, his reply might sound like an avalanche!

 

Funny when you put a usually vocal pragmatist on the spot and they haven't got a clue....

 

I'll leave it at that for now, i've heard enough to view his posts with the relevance that they respect.

[SFKA South Woodford]

I can't understand why you would want rid of AP if we're not in 1st or 2nd next year by Christmas (that's if we don't go up this year of course - it's still very unlikely but not out of the question).

 

AP's mandate is to get promotion. Like most teams who see themselves as favourites, noone really wants to have to go via the playoff route because it becomes much more of a lottery.

 

But what if we finished 6th next year and then won the playoff final? Would it really matter? Course it wouldn't!

 

You only need to look at the top two at Christmas this year in League One (Leeds and Charlton) to tell you that it doesn't really matter where you are at Christmas. Winning the "first half" of the season is merely a matter of pride because you get nowt for it, other than a shed load of pressure as you're then the favourites to go up. So what will matter is whether we're in contention or not to get promoted, and I would hope that would be the case.

 

I do kind of understand your point about not accepting second best, but if we use your logic we might potentially get rid of AP if in 3rd or 4th place next year at Xmas - that would be sheer lunacy IMHO.

 

Sixth place next season will not be seen as good enough to save Mr Pardews employment. If Cortese is upset we aren't nearer the play offs this season, do you really think he'll be happy to go through the lottery of the play offs with the amount of money spent this season and with the further expenditure on the squad in the summer?

 

Not only that, but can you really say that you'll be happy to take a chane on the play offs? I know I wont!

 

Pardew has to get the team to find the confidence and consistency to get results at the places where they have struggled this season, if he can do that, then fine, if not he'll be going.

[Wiltshire Saint]

There should be a rule that links the numbers of posts a member can make with how many games they have seen and the distance they have travelled for the game. That way only real fans post on here and all the rest of the plastics can f*ck off. Maybe the total amount spent in the actual club shop (as opposed to buying saints stuff off the internet) should be taken into account as well? For those that attend games there should be another distanction, with those that sing and chant having more posts that those that don't. This may be difficult to prove though, so members may need to record themselves at games to prove they have been singing.

[alpine_saint]

There should be a rule that links the numbers of posts a member can make with how many games they have seen and the distance they have travelled for the game. That way only real fans post on here and all the rest of the plastics can f*ck off. Maybe the total amount spent in the actual club shop (as opposed to buying saints stuff off the internet) should be taken into account as well? For those that attend games there should be another distanction, with those that sing and chant having more posts that those that don't. This may be difficult to prove though, so members may need to record themselves at games to prove they have been singing.

 

I can only assume this post is dripping with sarcasm, in which case LOL, very good.

 

On the off-chance that you really mean this, may I suggest shock therapy ??

[The9]

There should be a rule that links the numbers of posts a member can make with how many games they have seen and the distance they have travelled for the game. That way only real fans post on here and all the rest of the plastics can f*ck off. Maybe the total amount spent in the actual club shop (as opposed to buying saints stuff off the internet) should be taken into account as well? For those that attend games there should be another distinction, with those that sing and chant having more posts that those that don't. This may be difficult to prove though, so members may need to record themselves at games to prove they have been singing.

 

Choosing to ignore the sarcasm.... so...

 

COOOOOL, my tendency to waste masses of dosh on replica kit and training gear means I'd get to post loads, though I should probably move back to South Wales and keep my ST (as in 2001/2) for maximum posting rights. I'm not going to do that though.

 

I'd say videos are worth way more posts than mere audio recordings, especially ones of face painted happy clappers with balloooooons.

 

PS I am a better fan than you.

[SW5 SAINT]

If we make the play offs now the -10 will have been an irrelevance,

rather like poopeys -9

[trousers]

If we make the play offs now the -10 will have been an irrelevance,

rather like poopeys -9

 

Debatable. We had to mentally deal with our penalty at the beginning of the season. I suspect it had an impact on the players psychologically.

 

Portsmouth got their penalty towards the end of the season when their fate was pretty much determined already.

 

Our first 10 games of the season may have had a different outcome without the -10 point stigma.

[brmbrm]

Lowe's Legacy.

 

Looking at our record since the first 10 games, if we had maintiened our form (more than 2 points per game) over those first 10 games then we would have 22 more points. the rest is Lowe's legacy and AP building the team. add 22 to where we are now to get an idea of the form of this team.

 

In response to the OP, i go for "Wind up merchant", no doubt the Alpine troll.