Any news about a minute's silence today ?

[Ohio Saint]

I would agree that the minutes silence is not really appropriate. Mainly for the reasons outlined above. Neither they, nor the incident, were connected with the club. It also dilutes the minutes silence if you keep having one every time someone dies.

 

That may sound callus, but think of it like this. Let's say there are 45,000 Saints fans, based losely on the JPT final. Let us also assume the average person lives to be 75 years old. Therefore this means 45,000 Saints fans will die every 75 years, roughly speaking. 75 years is 27,375 days therefore 2 Saints fans die every day.

 

Not a pleasant thought, but that is life for you. So, with all due respect... Why should we hold a minutes silence for 2 firemen who were killed, but not the 14 Saints fans who die every week?

 

Not having a clue about who these fireman were, or the circumstances of their death, I tentatively agree.

 

Respects should be for people within the game, or a massive local disaster involving great loss. In the case of the latter, a minute silence is appropriate. In the case of the former (Loss of a footballing legend or club stalwart) Then a minute of applause is the best possible tribute.

 

I absolutely think that applause is more fitting than silence in any circumstance BTW

[Toadhall Saint]

.... do you really want me to troll through all of your threads and responses? You really are quite tedious TBH.

[Thedelldays]

.... do you really want me to troll through all of your threads and responses? You really are quite tedious TBH.

oh..so I have not used this issue to beat the club with then

just the usual default response..nice one

 

Am sorry for your loss BTW

[alpine_saint]

Manager Dedicates Win To City

 

Would be good to lock this thread IMHO.

 

Seeing as this was really a pre-match question, has been answered and it has degenerated into a slanging match, I agree.

 

Nice that AP has said something on the OS and an announcement was made at half-time.

[saint_stevo]

matthew le god, you should re-read your posts on this thread. You come accross as a heartless idiot.

[moon monkey]

If we have minute silence for the two firemen who died, do we have a minutes silence when someone from the armed forces? Or even the police? Then it will come a point when every game has a minutes silence.

[Saint_clark]

If we have minute silence for the two firemen who died, do we have a minutes silence when someone from the armed forces? Or even the police? Then it will come a point when every game has a minutes silence.

 

Exactly. This is exactly why we have All Saints day, to remember those who have passed.

Last season it got to a point where every team in the Prem was wearing a black arm band for every single game, which completely dilutes the "respect" being paid.

[Lance]

i didnt realise there were so many heartless ****s on this board, two men die in the line of duty for this city we love and adore but they were just 'blokes at work'?? Two Saints die a day, well lets hope your in that statistic tomorrow Arizona you callous ****

[beatlesaint]

I think the fact that AP dedicated the win to the families of the two fireman and to the city in general because of the loss of those two brave men shows a lot more class than many people who have posted in this thread could ever hope to have.

 

Well done Alan, a nice touch from a genuine man.

[Saint_clark]

i didnt realise there were so many heartless ****s on this board, two men die in the line of duty for this city we love and adore but they were just 'blokes at work'?? Two Saints die a day, well lets hope your in that statistic tomorrow Arizona you callous ****

 

OK, if we've fallen to wishing death on other people then it's time to delete this thread, not just lock it....

[Matthew Le God]

i didnt realise there were so many heartless ****s on this board, two men die in the line of duty for this city we love and adore but they were just 'blokes at work'?? Two Saints die a day, well lets hope your in that statistic tomorrow Arizona you callous ****

 

Wishing Arizona dead makes you the callous and heartless individual you accuse him of being does it not?

 

Arizona was only saying that if you commemorate everyone that dies in the city you'd have an endless stream of remembrance at sporting events. He wasn't being callous or heartless he was just putting things in perspective rather than being over sensitive and jumping on a bandwagon. An annual collective remembrance is the most sensible policy and is still just as respectful.

Edited 10 April, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[ooohTerryHurlock]

I would agree that the minutes silence is not really appropriate. Mainly for the reasons outlined above. Neither they, nor the incident, were connected with the club. It also dilutes the minutes silence if you keep having one every time someone dies.

 

That may sound callus, but think of it like this. Let's say there are 45,000 Saints fans, based losely on the JPT final. Let us also assume the average person lives to be 75 years old. Therefore this means 45,000 Saints fans will die every 75 years, roughly speaking. 75 years is 27,375 days therefore 2 Saints fans die every day.

 

Not a pleasant thought, but that is life for you. So, with all due respect... Why should we hold a minutes silence for 2 firemen who were killed, but not the 14 Saints fans who die every week?

 

Some people just don't get it do they????..... FFS man... they died trying to save hundreds of people from a towering inferno... they were professional to the last, not giving a second thought to the dangers that lay ahead of them or the fact that they may never see their families again.... they were n't ******s sitting in the houses of parliament fiddling their expenses to pay for duck houses or porn flicks, but a couple of guys doing a ****ing dangerous job for not the greatest salary in the world. Putting others before themselves. Bloody heros in my book. I would have liked the opportunity to just observe a bit of quiet communial reflection for there brave action. The story was the focus of national attention and as you can hit there firestation with a stone from the football ground it would have been an incredible gesture by the club..... yet again sfc missed the point, or the necessary level of attention that needed to be paid to the issue. a 5cm2 mention in the programme and a half time announcement when we are all down stairs was n't really cutting the mustard for me

[Lance]

oooh Terry Hurlock you said what I wanted to say but I didnt have the patience to writ it. Thank You

[Matthew Le God]

oooh Terry Hurlock you said what I wanted to say but I didnt have the patience to writ it. Thank You

 

Instead you resorted to wishing someone dead. Making you the callous and heartless individual you accuse him of being does it not?

Edited 10 April, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[ooohTerryHurlock]

oooh Terry Hurlock you said what I wanted to say but I didnt have the patience to writ it. Thank You

 

might be good if you apologised to arizona though....

[Master Bates]

I would agree that the minutes silence is not really appropriate. Mainly for the reasons outlined above. Neither they, nor the incident, were connected with the club. It also dilutes the minutes silence if you keep having one every time someone dies.

 

That may sound callus, but think of it like this. Let's say there are 45,000 Saints fans, based losely on the JPT final. Let us also assume the average person lives to be 75 years old. Therefore this means 45,000 Saints fans will die every 75 years, roughly speaking. 75 years is 27,375 days therefore 2 Saints fans die every day.

 

Not a pleasant thought, but that is life for you. So, with all due respect... Why should we hold a minutes silence for 2 firemen who were killed, but not the 14 Saints fans who die every week?

 

Please prove 2 Saints fans die a day.

 

Both Liverpool and Everton had a minutes silence for that Rhys Jones person, then there was Mad as a hatter Mcann, so why not 2 glorious firemen.

[Matthew Le God]

Both Liverpool and Everton had a minutes silence for that Rhys Jones person, then there was Mad as a hatter Mcann, so why not 2 glorious firemen.

 

Just because Liverpool and Everton do something doesn't mean you have to follow blindly like sheep. The two fireman will get recognition on All Saints day and their own remembrance services which have the sole function of providing an outlet for grief and gratitude towards these public servants.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Just because Liverpool and Everton do something doesn't mean you have to follow blindly like sheep. The two fireman will get recognition on All Saints day and their own remembrance services which have the sole function of providing an outlet for grief and gratitude towards these public servants.

 

It is not a case of following blindy like sheep, but more a case of following the example of two clubs that see the importance of there roll in the local community. I bumped into my mate who is a fireman going into the ground today, I was worried sick about him the other day when the story broke - prayed that it was n't him but knew it would be some other poor family.these guys do a fantastic job 24/7.... despite losing two friends/workmates the guys would have been back on shift the nextday to answer whatever call came in with the same professionalism as the night before. 23000 people won't be able to get into SM church when the servive of rememberance is held and most of us will be hard pushed to get away form our day jobs then - the club could have allowed us to do this today by proxy

 

Like I say the club really do need to start looking at how they deal with events like this...... wide of the mark again

 

if not a minutes silence - black armbands at least.

Edited 10 April, 2010 by ooohTerryHurlock

[saint_stevo]

matt le god-shut up

[Docker Walker6]

Well said !

[REDARMY79]

matt le god-shut up

 

This!

[Matthew Le God]

I prayed that it wasn't him

 

So your God kills someone and you pray to your God that it isn't the person you know and is instead someone else dead? What % success rate have you had on your prayers over your life?

[ooohTerryHurlock]

So your God kills someone and you pray to your God that it isn't the person you know and is instead someone else dead? What % success rate have you had on your prayers over your life?

 

I used prayed in a figurative gramatical manner.... not surpprised you sort of missed the point though;) As you have manage to miss the point of the significance of the event - Fireman are probably our most important emergency service in my view as they do it all. I know a few lads who have/ and are in the service and think they are fantastic blokes worthy of the up most respect....... enough said really

[Matthew Le God]

think they are fantastic blokes worthy of the up most respect....... enough said really

 

At no point in this thread have I said they aren't. I just said save it until All Saints day. That is still them getting the respect they deserve. Many people have very worth while professions and are of great benefit to the community. You have to draw a line somewhere or you'd be endlessly remembering the dead at sporting events.

[Matthew Le God]

I used prayed in a figurative gramatical manner.... not surpprised you sort of missed the point though;)

 

As your posts contain so many spelling and grammatical errors it is hard to tell. I don't see why someone would say they prayed when they didn't.

[saint_stevo]

it was 1 minute. 1minute for 2guys who got up for work one morning, kissed loved ones goodbye, and never returned, having died saving lives and becoming the first firefighters to die on duty in hampshire in over 60 years. Not too much to ask at 2:59 on a saturday is it?

[slogger]

James shears is a saints fan and he is also my son. I take your comment as a personal insult. As was at the game today with his two sons who are now without their father. I would like to meet you to show you how strongly i feel about this.

[Arizona]

i didnt realise there were so many heartless ****s on this board, two men die in the line of duty for this city we love and adore but they were just 'blokes at work'?? Two Saints die a day, well lets hope your in that statistic tomorrow Arizona you callous ****

 

What a thoroughly well thought out and respectful post. Still, you can't beat completely ignoring someones point if you're trying to take the moral high ground eh.

 

Some people just don't get it do they????..... FFS man... they died trying to save hundreds of people from a towering inferno... they were professional to the last, not giving a second thought to the dangers that lay ahead of them or the fact that they may never see their families again.... they were n't ******s sitting in the houses of parliament fiddling their expenses to pay for duck houses or porn flicks, but a couple of guys doing a ****ing dangerous job for not the greatest salary in the world. Putting others before themselves. Bloody heros in my book. I would have liked the opportunity to just observe a bit of quiet communial reflection for there brave action. The story was the focus of national attention and as you can hit there firestation with a stone from the football ground it would have been an incredible gesture by the club..... yet again sfc missed the point, or the necessary level of attention that needed to be paid to the issue. a 5cm2 mention in the programme and a half time announcement when we are all down stairs was n't really cutting the mustard for me

 

Their death was tragic and their actions heroic. I'm not denying that. It's a sad occasion. But what connection does it have to Southampton football club? There's a time and a place for everything, including grief. I fully support the idea of a minutes silence at their firestation, flags at half mast at all Hampshire stations, placing wreathes at the site of the fire etc. THAT is respect and it is appropriate.

 

A minutes silence at a football match just strikes me as... irrelevant, for want of a better word. Lets say you are driving to an away match against Middlesborough. On the drive up, you come accross a car accident just outside Leeds with a 10 year old girl trapped in the burning wreckage. With no thought for your safety you break into the burning car and drag the little girl to safety. Then, as you stand by the side of the road, another car comes round the corner, hits you and kills you. Would you then expect the Leeds Rhinos rugby team to hold a minutes silence?

 

Please prove 2 Saints fans die a day.

 

Both Liverpool and Everton had a minutes silence for that Rhys Jones person, then there was Mad as a hatter Mcann, so why not 2 glorious firemen.

 

It just happens. It may not be exactly 2 a day, but over time, that's how it will average out.

 

it was 1 minute. 1minute for 2guys who got up for work one morning, kissed loved ones goodbye, and never returned, having died saving lives and becoming the first firefighters to die on duty in hampshire in over 60 years. Not too much to ask at 2:59 on a saturday is it?

 

But you could say that about any death. People dying is a tragic, yet inevitable and very regular part of life. It's sad but it happens every day. People die suddenly, painfully, slowly, or any combination thereof. Families are left behind. Children are left without parents. It's horrible but it happens every day. I'd rather not be reminded of this EVERY time I go to a football match. Nobody dies and their friends turn up and go, "actually yeah he was a c**t, we're all pretty pleased he's gone".

[REDARMY79]

Slogger, my heart goes out to you , your 2 grandsons and the whole of your family. Let me assure you that a few views from idiots on here ( who are probably just trying to provoke a reaction) are certainly not the views of the vast majority of Saints fans and people in general. I and, I am sure many many more citizens of Southampton recognise what a brave man your son was and thank him and others like him with all their hearts.Please , please do not let the babblings of the fools detract from the general feeling of appreciation and heartfelt sorrow felt by the rest of us.

[REDARMY79]

On the above note please close this thread!!

[Arizona]

James shears is a saints fan and he is also my son. I take your comment as a personal insult. As was at the game today with his two sons who are now without their father. I would like to meet you to show you how strongly i feel about this.

 

My sincerest sympathies. I assure you I mean no disrespect to you son.

[alpine_saint]

James shears is a saints fan and he is also my son. I take your comment as a personal insult. As was at the game today with his two sons who are now without their father. I would like to meet you to show you how strongly i feel about this.

 

Slogger, my comiserations to you and your family.

 

I hope the stupidity shown on this thread hasnt caused too much pain.

 

My question was a genuine one.

[saint_stevo]

slogger if you were able to, you would have a pm from me. Ignore arizona (quite how he is a mod i will never no) and matt le god, they are nothing but shallow minded morons

[Matthew Le God]

I agree with everything Arizona just said in post 79. Neither he or I said anything negative about either man and have both said he is worthy of respect and remembrance. I'm sorry for Sloggers loss but fail to see how anyone has given him a "personal insult" as described in this thread.

[Arizona]

slogger if you were able to, you would have a pm from me. Ignore arizona (quite how he is a mod i will never no) and matt le god, they are nothing but shallow minded morons

 

Again, you are ignoring my point. I wont respond out of respect, I think it's best if we lock this now.