Voting out of habit

[benjii]

"he's done a lot to our advantage in Europe"

 

Is that the same Europe that the Labour party wanted to withdraw from, although when that "belief" was rejected by the British people, they swiftly did an about turn.

 

As for the "Eton Mess", this is what gets me about the Party of Ed Balls, Harriot Harmen, Peter Hain, Alistar Darling and Tony Blair, all of who went to fee paying schools. The party of Dianne Abbot that great leftie who sent her son to a fee paying school. They have sly little digs, and play the class warriors, but it's just another example of Labour's hypocrisy .

 

Absolutely. It comes to something when you have to keep an obnoxious, disgusting, hypocritical, thick slob like Prescott around just to maintain a veneer of having not completely abandoned your principles.

[View From The Top]

Here are the quarterly average interest rates since then....

 

Nice try comrade, but not that good.

 

Now how about the interest rates that you are missing or would they just emphasise my point? Of course they would which is why you didn't show them.

 

Maybe the sky high interest rates and home repossessions have just been wiped from the collective neo-fascist memory as they never fook anything up do they?

 

As I also said, I don't comment on the 70s in the same way I don't comment on the 60s or 50s as I have no personal experience of them outside of short trousers but I accept they were pants.

[dune]

Absolutely. It comes to something when you have to keep an obnoxious, disgusting, hypocritical, thick slob like Prescott around just to maintain a veneer of having not completely abandoned your principles.

 

Principles and two jags are not words i'd use together.

[dune]

As I also said, I don't comment on the 70s in the same way I don't comment on the 60s or 50s as I have no personal experience of them outside of short trousers but I accept they were pants.

 

I'm in the same boat, but remember the 80's well and the Thatcher/Reagan years were the best this country has ever had it.

[View From The Top]

I'm in the same boat, but remember the 80's well and the Thatcher/Reagan years were the best this country has ever had it.

 

Dune, stop being a trolling mong please so I don't have to put you on block.

[dune]

Dune, stop being a trolling mong please so I don't have to put you on block.

 

Is it too much to ask that you tone down the insults. You're behaving like a kid. Face the fact that not everyone agrees with you.

[Gingeletiss]

Comrade Bogner, if you look at the question I pose to our ginger friend it was a direct challenge to his statement about high interest rates and home repossessions since 1997.

 

Now we both know that during the Major years both interest rates and home repossessions went through the roof and for our ginger friend to suggest similar post 97 is wrong and plain daft.

 

Just accept the fact that up to the banking crisis (which I believe we agree upon) that interest rates and inflation were under control by a Labour government. The continual denial of the fact makes you all look a tad daft.

 

As for pre '79 I really can't comment as I was only a nipper but I accept that it was generally cr@p and the unions were way to powerful.

 

Two things here Comrade:mad:. Firstly,what has the colour of my hair got to do with things:mad::confused:, and secondly, it shows you are loosing the argument, as you have reverted to name calling. I answered your question, I explained, that in all my working life, I have been better off under the Tories. Now given that I started work in '69, I guess I have worked a few years longer than you.

 

VFTT, it's not wrong to have differing opinions, but please don't start using abusive statements to enforce your views, otherwise I may suspect you are related to Punchy Prescott, or Bully Brown!

Edited 9 April, 2010 by Gingeletiss

[View From The Top]

Two things here Comrade:mad:. Firstly,what has the colour of my hair got to do with things:mad::confused:, and secondly, it shows you are loosing the argument, as you have reverted to name calling. I answered your question, I explained, that in all my working life, I have been better off under the Tories. Now given that I started work in '69, I guess I have worked a few years longer than you.

 

VFTT, it's not wrong to have differing opinions, but please don't start using abusive statements to enforce your views, otherwise I may suspect you are related to Punchy Prescott, or Bully Brown!

 

You have ginger in your user name do you not? Therefore the term ginger was used in that context. Hardly my fault your touchy on the subject.

 

Secondly you didn't answer the question set, one that yourself alluded to. Whilst I accept your view on your happy life the simple, undeniable fact, one that you want to forget, is that interest rates and home repossessions went through the roof on the Tory watch.

 

Accept it and deal with it.

[View From The Top]

Is it too much to ask that you tone down the insults. You're behaving like a kid. Face the fact that not everyone agrees with you.

 

No sh it?

 

Difference is, most of them are reasonably bright and not a NF rally attending neo-nazi.

Edited 9 April, 2010 by View From The Top

[dune]

No sh it?

 

Difference is, most of them are reasonably bright and not a NF rally attending neo-nazi.

 

I respect your views (although I don't agree with them) and would much prefer to read them without the attitude, that's all i'm saying.

[View From The Top]

I respect your views (although I don't agree with them) and would much prefer to read them without the attitude, that's all i'm saying.

 

One will do ones best.

[Johnny Bognor]

You have ginger in your user name do you not? Therefore the term ginger was used in that context. Hardly my fault your touchy on the subject.

 

Secondly you didn't answer the question set, one that yourself alluded to. Whilst I accept your view on your happy life the simple, undeniable fact, one that you want to forget, is that interest rates and home repossessions went through the roof on the Tory watch.

 

Accept it and deal with it.

 

But comrade VFTT, interest rates did not go through the roof in the 80's. As proven previously, they were already through the roof thanks to the previous Labour government. Repossessions went through the roof, but they would as more people had bought houses.

 

In the interests of balance, and so not to be accused of conveniently hiding the facts, here are the interest rates for the 'missing' period.

 

 

31-Mar-79 - 13.02

30-Jun-79 - 12.48

30-Sep-79 - 14

31-Dec-79 - 15.45

31-Mar-80 - 17

30-Jun-80 - 17

30-Sep-80 - 16.03

31-Dec-80 - 15.22

31-Mar-81 - 13.52

30-Jun-81 - 12

30-Sep-81 - 12.53

31-Dec-81 - 14.61

31-Mar-82 - 13.78

30-Jun-82 - 13

30-Sep-82 - 11.35

31-Dec-82 - 9.68

31-Mar-83 - 10.81

30-Jun-83 - 10.01

30-Sep-83 - 9.56

31-Dec-83 - 9.06

31-Mar-84 - 8.93

30-Jun-84 - 8.85

30-Sep-84 - 10.9

31-Dec-84 - 9.98

31-Mar-85 - 12.92

30-Jun-85 - 12.47

30-Sep-85 - 11.58

31-Dec-85 - 11.38

31-Mar-86 - 12.11

30-Jun-86 - 10.34

30-Sep-86 - 9.88

31-Dec-86 - 10.72

31-Mar-87 - 10.66

30-Jun-87 - 9.21

30-Sep-87 - 9.48

31-Dec-87 - 9.04

31-Mar-88 - 8.63

30-Jun-88 - 7.97

30-Sep-88 - 10.91

31-Dec-88 - 12.26

31-Mar-89 - 12.88

30-Jun-89 - 13.24

30-Sep-89 - 13.76

31-Dec-89 - 14.8

31-Mar-90 - 14.88

30-Jun-90 - 14.88

30-Sep-90 - 14.88

31-Dec-90 - 13.95

31-Mar-91 - 13.4

30-Jun-91 - 11.74

30-Sep-91 - 10.8

31-Dec-91 - 10.38

31-Mar-92 - 10.38

30-Jun-92 - 10.05

30-Sep-92 - 9.77

31-Dec-92 - 7.53

31-Mar-93 - 6.13

 

 

So now we have all of the facts, you can see that although they were consistently high throughout the decade, it was not much worse that the previous decade and therefore the insinuation that they "went through the roof" is just Socialist dogma.

 

Had you said that they stayed through the roof post the Labour + Union **** ups of the 70's, however were brought under control in the early to mid nineties, you would have had a point

 

There is no coincidence that the interest rates were often +10% when inflation was out of control during the 70's and 80's. It is also no coincidence that we have had low stable interest rates since the early nineties thanks to the taming of the inflation monster.....for that you can thank the tories.

It is also no coincidence, that interest rates were also high in virtually every major western economy over the same period....do you blame the tories for this too?

 

Edited 9 April, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[View From The Top]

Interest rates did not go through the roof in the 80's. As proven previously, they were already through the roof thanks to the previous Labour government.

 

I've never said the 80s comrade as you well know.

 

Try the 90s, say from 1990 - 1993. I'm willing to bet you'll find a 15% in there.

 

See you don't mention house repossessions in there. Perhaps they didn't happen either.

 

You're not very good at this today.

 

Good edit Comrade Bognor.

Edited 9 April, 2010 by View From The Top

[toofarnorth]

I've enjoyed reading the debate (slanging match) on here and it's really interesting how people base so much of their decision making on who to vote for to govern for the next five years on events that happened as much as 40 years ago. I really hate it when supporters of both parties hark on about 70's this, 80's that. I class myself as a floating voter and am yet to decide who to vote for in this next election, but I will be basing my choices on the present day policies and not on an ideology that seems to be ingrained in some people. Some people may see this as naivity, but hey ho.

[View From The Top]

1992 Nov 7.00 % - 1.00 % Oct 8.00 % - 1.00 % Sep 9.00 % - 1.00 % May 10.00 % - 0.50 % 1991 Sep 10.50 % - 0.50 % Jul 11.00 % - 0.50 % May 11.50 % - 0.50 % Apr 12.00 % - 0.50 % Mar 12.50 % - 0.50 % Feb 13.00 % - 1.00 % 1990 Oct 14.00 % - 1.00 % 1989 Oct 15.00 % 1.00 % May 14.00 % 1.00 %

 

I found them for you comrade Bognor.

 

Now, what were you saying about interest rates not going through the roof?

[View From The Top]

Repossessions went through the roof, but they would as more people had bought houses.

 

Nothing to do with interest rates then?

[benjii]

I've enjoyed reading the debate (slanging match) on here and it's really interesting how people base so much of their decision making on who to vote for to govern for the next five years on events that happened as much as 40 years ago. I really hate it when supporters of both parties hark on about 70's this, 80's that. I class myself as a floating voter and am yet to decide who to vote for in this next election, but I will be basing my choices on the present day policies and not on an ideology that seems to be ingrained in some people. Some people may see this as naivity, but hey ho.

 

 

I see it as emminently sensible. Good for you.

[revolution saint]

I've enjoyed reading the debate (slanging match) on here and it's really interesting how people base so much of their decision making on who to vote for to govern for the next five years on events that happened as much as 40 years ago. I really hate it when supporters of both parties hark on about 70's this, 80's that. I class myself as a floating voter and am yet to decide who to vote for in this next election, but I will be basing my choices on the present day policies and not on an ideology that seems to be ingrained in some people. Some people may see this as naivity, but hey ho.

 

Typical. I start a debate that gets interesting and then disappear off to work.

 

To be honest it seems to have slipped a bit into the usual points scoring and that wasn't the intention of the question. I could have been phrased it a bit better though - maybe voting out of tradition rather than habit.

 

It's interesting to note that no one I think has tackled the second point which was "what would make you change your vote (if you are a one party person)? Personally I think I would always find it hard to justify voting for the Tories but I don't think I could ever rule it out.

 

There's a lot to be said for floating voters - they at least ensure we're not all mired in constituencies that are destined to stay the same political hue for generations. Of course a more representative system may help as well.

 

All very interesting though.

[View From The Top]

 

It's interesting to note that no one I think has tackled the second point which was "what would make you change your vote (if you are a one party person)? Personally I think I would always find it hard to justify voting for the Tories but I don't think I could ever rule it out.

 

 

I've changed my hue as I feel the Liberals now represent my political views better than Labour do.

 

In addition I despise Brown with a passion and always have done.

 

I can, however, rule out ever voting tory as I'm from the Nye Bevan school of thought about them.

[Johnny Bognor]

1992 Nov 7.00 % - 1.00 % Oct 8.00 % - 1.00 % Sep 9.00 % - 1.00 % May 10.00 % - 0.50 % 1991 Sep 10.50 % - 0.50 % Jul 11.00 % - 0.50 % May 11.50 % - 0.50 % Apr 12.00 % - 0.50 % Mar 12.50 % - 0.50 % Feb 13.00 % - 1.00 % 1990 Oct 14.00 % - 1.00 % 1989 Oct 15.00 % 1.00 % May 14.00 % 1.00 %

 

I found them for you comrade Bognor.

 

Now, what were you saying about interest rates not going through the roof?

 

 

But they were touching 12% and 13 % in the 1970's and continued to do so during the 1980's.

 

The fact of the matter is that interest rates were very high for most of the 1970's and most of the 1980's which continued for the first couple of years at the beginning of the 90's.

 

The fact also remains that interest rates since 1993 have been low and stable due to the taming of inflation, ken clarkes economic policy and the BOE taking over interest rate control once Clown got his hands on the till. Do you not see that or do I need to spell it out for you?

 

These are undeniable facts based on BOE historical records. As I said, they were through the roof for two decades which was not soley to do with the tories. They didn't just shoot through the roof due to the tories - look at the data and any idiot can see this was not the case. However, this does fit your socialist worker agenda.

 

Keep believing the hype as Lbaour politicians can make a very lucrative living out of people like you.

[LGTL]

I know for a fact i'll be voting Tory as I leave the house, Tory as I get out the car and Tory as I walk in, and then i'll get the pen and put a big black cross next to Labour.

[View From The Top]

But they were touching 12% and 13 % in the 1970's and continued to do so during the 1980's.

 

The fact of the matter is that interest rates were very high for most of the 1970's and most of the 1980's which continued for the first couple of years at the beginning of the 90's.

 

The fact also remains that interest rates since 1993 have been low and stable due to the taming of inflation, ken clarkes economic policy and the BOE taking over interest rate control once Clown got his hands on the till. Do you not see that or do I need to spell it out for you?

 

These are undeniable facts based on BOE historical records. As I said, they were through the roof for two decades which was not soley to do with the tories. They didn't just shoot through the roof due to the tories - look at the data and any idiot can see this was not the case. However, this does fit your socialist worker agenda.

 

Keep believing the hype as Lbaour politicians can make a very lucrative living out of people like you.

 

Just accept the fact that you've been proved wrong comrade and that you selective use of figures has been shown up to be bullshiiit.

 

The question I posed, and that you have very helpfully proved for me, is that interest rates were way, way higher between 1989 - 1993 that anytime post 1997 and that house repossession skyrocketed.

 

The exact opposite to the suggestion made by the other poster.

 

You do make it for t0o easy for me comrade.

[Johnny Bognor]

Just accept the fact that you've been proved wrong comrade and that you selective use of figures has been shown up to be bullshiiit.

 

The question I posed, and that you have very helpfully proved for me, is that interest rates were way, way higher between 1989 - 1993 that anytime post 1997 and that house repossession skyrocketed.

 

The exact opposite to the suggestion made by the other poster.

 

You do make it for t0o easy for me comrade.

 

OK, comrade you are right and the Bank of England are a bunch of Charletons publishing facts in the way they do. I went for quarterly averages as if I had gone for monthly actuals over a 30 year period, it would take me too long to compile, make this thread longer than the pompey takeover thread and would have been pointless as my point of consisently high interest rates prior to 1989-1993, going back to the 1970's is plain and clear for all to see..

 

By the way, what happened between 1993 and 1997 or are you conveniently ignoring this period??????