BNP

[solentstars]

If you honestly believe that the BNP aren't racists and fascists then you are seriously deluded.

 

Patriots eh?

 

These pictures show what self-confessed patriots like yourself are capable of.

 

 

hes a wind up merchant,read all his threads .

no ones that stupid or dopey hes just a attention seeker who posts extreme views to get a reaction:D

[dune]

'ENGLISH' PUPILS BECOME MINORITY

 

LABOUR’S open-door policy on immigration is leading to English becoming a second language in schools across Britain, figures revealed yesterday.

 

Critics said the figures reflected the “splintering of society” as a result of the UK’s inefficient border controls under Labour.

 

 

 

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/168661

[bridge too far]

'ENGLISH' PUPILS BECOME MINORITY

 

LABOUR’S open-door policy on immigration is leading to English becoming a second language in schools across Britain, figures revealed yesterday.

 

Critics said the figures reflected the “splintering of society” as a result of the UK’s inefficient border controls under Labour.

 

 

 

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/168661

 

How can this be, given that over 92% of the population is white british?

 

Oh, hang on, it's the Express, isn't it

[solentstars]

How can this be, given that over 92% of the population is white british?

 

Oh, hang on, it's the Express, isn't it

 

he,s so paranoid i think he may top himself:D or become a daily mail journalist.

[View From The Top]

I'm back from the park. I did notice some immigrant types so I went back and checked and thankfully all of the swans were still there.

 

I also did some tutting to reinforce my point.

[badgerx16]

'ENGLISH' PUPILS BECOME MINORITY

 

LABOUR’S open-door policy on immigration is leading to English becoming a second language in schools across Britain, figures revealed yesterday.

 

Critics said the figures reflected the “splintering of society” as a result of the UK’s inefficient border controls under Labour.

 

 

 

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/168661

What a load of b0ll0x - what it probably does prove is that 2nd & 3rd generation immigrant families, who probably speak their 'mother tongue' at home so as to include the grand parents in their conversations, are having more children than the 'natives' in their particular areas.

And it almost certainly also includes those schools in Wales where the pupils would claim Welsh as their first language.

 

Yet more right wing bluster and posturing. There is NOTHING in that article to show that these children are, in fact, immigrants, other than the mention of 10,000 eastern Europeans ( but not of what proportion might be of school age ). When I was at school, we had a lad whose mother was German, and they spoke her native tongue at home, but he was most definitely English.

Edited 12 April, 2010 by badgerx16

[benjii]

'ENGLISH' PUPILS BECOME MINORITY

 

LABOUR’S open-door policy on immigration is leading to English becoming a second language in schools across Britain, figures revealed yesterday.

 

Critics said the figures reflected the “splintering of society” as a result of the UK’s inefficient border controls under Labour.

 

 

 

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/168661

 

How can this be, given that over 92% of the population is white british?

 

Oh, hang on, it's the Express, isn't it

 

Obviously English speakers are a minority in some schools. Don't be so silly BTF.

 

This Southampton school states that of 262 pupils "four or five" have English as a first language.

 

http://www.maytree.southampton.sch.uk/school/about_us.htm

 

Now, I don't see how that can ever be desirable and it is time that people in this country embraced this debate. I think most people apart from a few loony-lefties are mature and sensible enough to do so but as long as the main political parties continue to be frightened it will allow the likes of the BNP to take simple facts like the one above and try to mutate them into wider and unsupported conclusions.

 

Quite simply, would you want your child to go to a school in England where only three or four of his colleagues spoke English as a first language? There is absolutely no shame in answering "no" to that.

[benjii]

What a load of b0ll0x - what it probably does prove is that 2nd & 3rd generation immigrant families, who probably speak their 'mother tongue' at home so as to include the grand parents in their conversations, are having more children than the 'natives' in their particular areas.

And it almost certainly also includes those schools in Wales where the pupils would claim Welsh as their first language.

 

Yet more right wing bluster and posturing. There is NOTHING in that article to show that these children are, in fact, immigrants, other than the mention of 10,000 eastern Europeans ( but not of what proportion might be of school age ). When I was at school, we had a lad whose mother was German, and they spoke her native tongue at home, but he was most definitely English.

 

Yes, I agree with much of that, but I still think the question I posed above remains valid regardless. As I said though, sensible analysis like the one provided by you will remain at the margins unless the main parties face up to these issues frankly.

[Crab Lungs]

Obviously English speakers are a minority in some schools.

 

This Southampton school states that of 262 pupils "four or five" have English as a first language.

 

http://www.maytree.southampton.sch.uk/school/about_us.htm

 

Now, I don't see how that can ever be desirable and it is time that people in this country embraced this debate. I think most people apart from a few loony-lefties are mature and sensible enough to do so but as long as the main political parties continue to be frightened it will allow the likes of the BNP to take simple facts like the one above and try to mutate them into wider and unsupported conclusions.

 

Quite simply, would you want your child to go to a school in England where only three or four of his colleagues spoke English as a first language? There is absolutely no shame in answering "no" to that.

 

 

That really isn't a very good situation.

 

I'd like to think that eventually each one of those kids can speak the native tongue through the schooling, but I keep getting the nagging feeling that the children are taught in their ethnic languages by bilingual teachers...

 

... I don't know... maybe someone can enlighten me here?

[benjii]

That really isn't a very good situation.

 

I'd like to think that eventually each one of those kids can speak the native tongue through the schooling, but I keep getting the nagging feeling that the children are taught in their ethnic languages by bilingual teachers...

 

... I don't know... maybe someone can enlighten me here?

 

I don't know but I would be surprised if the kids that only speak English make the same progress they would in a school where it was the dominant language. As always, there are variables and at primary age it's more about having parents that are interested in sitting down reading a book with their kids rather than stuffing their face with Dominos and Dr Pepper.

[bridge too far]

That really isn't a very good situation.

 

I'd like to think that eventually each one of those kids can speak the native tongue through the schooling, but I keep getting the nagging feeling that the children are taught in their ethnic languages by bilingual teachers...

 

... I don't know... maybe someone can enlighten me here?

 

The only factual example I can give is of the primary school that my son-in-law teaches in.

 

Some of the children are of Asian origin (mainly Pakistani I think) and many are of West Indian origin. There are children of Chinese origin and increasingly children of Eastern European backgrounds. So quite a diverse mix.

 

The school is one of the best performers in the town. My s-i-l says children of that age learn English very quickly and it only causes slight problems occasionally. The children are all taught in English. Some of the children have special tuition before / after school if it's felt necessary.

 

In the same way as my grandson has special tuition because he is very advanced compared to his peers and is classed as having special needs too.

[View From The Top]

That really isn't a very good situation.

 

I'd like to think that eventually each one of those kids can speak the native tongue through the schooling, but I keep getting the nagging feeling that the children are taught in their ethnic languages by bilingual teachers...

 

... I don't know... maybe someone can enlighten me here?

 

They are taught the national curriculum in English with extra English booster lessons.

 

Kids under 9 soak up other languages like a sponge.

 

It's the same all over the country.

 

My neighbours kids 9 & 6, speak English like the locals and have only had a normal education.

 

Where I teach and where my wife teaches lessons are only delivered in English and we have a variety of nationalities from Pole to Thai.

[Crab Lungs]

Well that is heartening to know.

 

Tbh, I wish they taught foreign languages in primary school, not junior - I might have even picked up another language myself! Like you say, kids at that age do tend to soak things up far, far quicker..

[benjii]

Well that is heartening to know.

 

Tbh, I wish they taught foreign languages in primary school, not junior - I might have even picked up another language myself! Like you say, kids at that age do tend to soak things up far, far quicker..

 

I agree with that! I reckon I would've really enjoyed it at that age.

[View From The Top]

I agree with that! I reckon I would've really enjoyed it at that age.

 

My 4 yo is being taught how to sign, which I think is a genius idea.

[bridge too far]

My 4 yo is being taught how to sign, which I think is a genius idea.

 

Yes they use this at my s-i-l's school partly to help children who are a bit slow in learning to read but also to broaden children's knowledge and understanding.

 

I tried to learn sign language a few years ago when I was teaching a class of deaf children to dance. It's really hard!

[IamLeGod]

Just checked back, its quite funny to see how a BNP thread has gotten onto the subject of kids being taught to sign in schools.

[Crab Lungs]

Well, having given some thought as to the language in schools idea, I definitely think it would be a really, really good move for children to be taught a second language in junior/primary as opposed to secondary school.

 

Like benji says, I personally feel that at that I'd age I'd definitely be more enthusiastic about learning it but more importantly, and I refer to VFTT and ABTF's earlier posts here, that at that younger age, children do tend to absorb and learn much quicker.

 

Secondary school had too many distractions for me, if I'm honest

[bridge too far]

Some schools do start to teach french at primary school. My children all started to learn French in their final year (age 10 I guess).

[badgerx16]

Some schools do start to teach french at primary school. My children all started to learn French in their final year (age 10 I guess).

My wife is the MFL co-ordinator in a primary school; they are going to do a project about the World Cup, in French and concentrating on the French speaking countries that are taking part.

[Smirking_Saint]

Christ, the BNP seriously seem to drudge up a LOT of personal views etc.

 

I am not a BNP voter, and will not be, the fact that a majority of them have convictions of racial hate crimes is just not acceptable when looking for a political party to vote for.

 

The reason that the BNP are getting more credance than they actually deserve is because they actually attempt to address the real issues that many working class people are scared and fearful of, and yes a lot of these fears, I.E immigration and the degredation of the national identity is over dramatised in the media however some of it is not.

 

Until the main 3 (or really 2) parties fall out of their comfort zone then the BNP will continue to gain strength.

[sadoldgit]

Address the "real issues" or just deal with those nasty foreign people who have no right to breath the same air???

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Christ, the BNP seriously seem to drudge up a LOT of personal views etc.

 

I am not a BNP voter, and will not be, the fact that a majority of them have convictions of racial hate crimes is just not acceptable when looking for a political party to vote for.

 

The reason that the BNP are getting more credance than they actually deserve is because they actually attempt to address the real issues that many working class people are scared and fearful of, and yes a lot of these fears, I.E immigration and the degredation of the national identity is over dramatised in the media however some of it is not.

 

Until the main 3 (or really 2) parties fall out of their comfort zone then the BNP will continue to gain strength.

 

Wouldn't it be ironic for the BNP to win a few seats, enough to force the mainstreams out of their comfort zone. Although I'd not like to see the BNP gain any credence whatsoever.

[saint_bert]

It's in the Mail Mr Angry so it must be true.

 

Them nasty people.

 

Ship 'em all back I say, them with them foreign ways. My grandad didn't stay at home and do nothing between 1939 - 1945 for them nig nogs to come over here.

 

I feel a letter to my MP coming on.

 

This is my favourite post ever!!!

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

'ENGLISH' PUPILS BECOME MINORITY

 

LABOUR’S open-door policy on immigration is leading to English becoming a second language in schools across Britain, figures revealed yesterday.

 

Critics said the figures reflected the “splintering of society” as a result of the UK’s inefficient border controls under Labour.

 

 

 

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/168661

 

Hmmm well that is simply not true. Next.

[Joensuu]

'ENGLISH' PUPILS BECOME MINORITY

 

LABOUR’S open-door policy on immigration is leading to English becoming a second language in schools across Britain, figures revealed yesterday.

 

Critics said the figures reflected the “splintering of society” as a result of the UK’s inefficient border controls under Labour.

 

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/168661

 

Nice to see a bit of good news in the papers eh... as I see it the Express are telling us that a growing minority of UK children are bilingual. Education standards must be improving.

 

Bit of a shame about the majority of UK schools (c. 23,500) which are overlooked by this article.

Edited 13 April, 2010 by Joensuu

[Baj]

Almost entirely unrelated, but on the door to my sons class (first year infants), there is a sign saying "Welcome" in every langauage of a child in that year. There were about 13 languages on there and I was very touched when i saw "Flemish - Welkom" there (my boy is bi-lingual English/Flemish), as I looked over the other languages, it was worth noting that I only saw about 3 from what you would consider "traditional" immigrants, I think it was Polish, Latvian and some other eastern block country. The rest were, for example, Spanish, French, German.

[Smirking_Saint]

Address the "real issues" or just deal with those nasty foreign people who have no right to breath the same air???

 

I see you actually have not bothered to read what i said, for that was not what i was saying at all.

 

Perhaps if you step out of your 'i am better than you' little world and spend some time with the majority of people then yes, a lot of them do feel that way.

 

It is not to say that it is the right way to be thinking but that is in a lot of peoples minds none the less.

 

As far as i am concerned i would rather that the Labour open door policy did not happen however i see they are trying to address it (though they have f*cked that up), and yes, we do need immigration, i have no worries about losing my job to a lower paid position as i am in a position within which it won;t happen, but many people do worry.

 

The media etc do whip up a frenzy but unfortunately the majority of people looking towards griffin for answers because of their dissilusionment will not look at facts or figures but will vote on what they read against their fears, until the big three realise this and we loose this political correctness b*llocks then they will continue to grow.

[View From The Top]

Some schools do start to teach french at primary school. My children all started to learn French in their final year (age 10 I guess).

 

My son his doing French in Y4 and his Italian is also better than mine.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

My son his doing French in Y4 and his Italian is also better than mine.

 

I know you hate me but I agree with everything you have said on this thread, and I think you have put you arguments across very well.

 

There.

[TopGun]

Was watching London Tonight yesterday. They had a focus on Barking:

 

The only people saying they were voting BNP were clearly sub-educated long term dolies who have no intention of working if they can avoid it.
Analysis of the seat is that Griffin is going to get caned and knows it - is apparently not going to bother too hard as he has decided his MEP post is a better bet.
 

[Thedelldays]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265136/NHS-relax-superbug-safeguards-Muslim-staff--just-days-Christian-nurse-banned-wearing-crucifix-health-safety-reasons.html

 

stories like this play into the hands of the BNP...and it IS true as they were interviewing people that made this decision on the radio last night..

[bridge too far]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8620688.stm

[scotty]

In my opinion BNP's rise in popularity has more to do with the Tories and Labour refusal to properly and openly debate the issues that the BNP fly their flag to (And i dont mean 1hr on questiontime).

 

It didnt get properly or openly debated on Question Time. The BBC ought to be ashamed of that.

[dune]

delete wrong thread.

[dune]

I notice that George Galloway has been attacked.

 

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED12%20Apr%202010%2009%3A44%3A25%3A960

[Mao Cap]

I notice that George Galloway has been attacked.

 

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED12%20Apr%202010%2009%3A44%3A25%3A960

 

What's your take on that, Dune? Muslim loons v. PC Brigade? They're on the same side, right?

 

I'm interested in a fash viewpoint because the incident must be a bit confusing for you lot

[Crab Lungs]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8620688.stm

 

I really wouldn't be surprised if that was a 'fix' in one way or another.

 

Provides the other parties (as seen on QT) to throw mud around whilst not concentrating on their own mahoosive problems...

 

After all... it's easier to deflect away the attention than face it up...

[Smirking_Saint]

I notice that George Galloway has been attacked.

 

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED12%20Apr%202010%2009%3A44%3A25%3A960

 

Thats a shame

[Thedelldays]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s1tlr/5_live_Breakfast_Phonein_19_04_2010/

[Smirking_Saint]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s1tlr/5_live_Breakfast_Phonein_19_04_2010/

 

Any particular points ???

 

Its an hour long program !!

[RedAndWhite91]

I notice that George Galloway has been attacked.

 

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED12%20Apr%202010%2009%3A44%3A25%3A960

 

I was in Bethnal Green once and I saw him go by on an open top bus with a megaphone. Absolute nutter.

[badgerx16]

NG on BBC news this morning;

"We will ban all inports of manufactured goods, these things should be made in Britain.........except for widgets for beer cans; they can be made much cheaper in China, so we'll keep inporting them friom there"

"We will send ALL immigrants back home.........except those that work here or own businesses that contribute to the economy.....it's the muslims, those Somalis, they're the ones we'll send back. We'll offer them £50,000 each to go home".

 

And he expects people to vote for him ! ( And some actually will ).

[Ponty]

£50,000?

 

I might actually claim to be Somalian.

[TopGun]

I was in Bethnal Green once and I saw him go by on an open top bus with a megaphone. Absolute nutter.

 

+ 1. He's been an absolute rubbish MP as Respect. He rarely shows up to Parliament and has one of the lowest voting records.

 

He will argue that he does stuff in the constituency but that's what local councillors are also for really.

[Sheaf Saint]

NG on BBC news this morning;

"We will ban all inports of manufactured goods, these things should be made in Britain.........except for widgets for beer cans; they can be made much cheaper in China, so we'll keep inporting them friom there"

"We will send ALL immigrants back home.........except those that work here or own businesses that contribute to the economy.....it's the muslims, those Somalis, they're the ones we'll send back. We'll offer them £50,000 each to go home".

 

And he expects people to vote for him ! ( And some actually will ).

 

Is this a p155-take?

[View From The Top]

Is this a p155-take?

 

It's more or less what he said. I watched it this morning getting ready for work.

[badgerx16]

Is this a p155-take?

'fraid not. Some very slight para-phrasing and truncation, but that is indeed what he said.

 

Beeb has a snippet ; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8629044.stm

Edited 19 April, 2010 by badgerx16

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

'fraid not. Some very slight para-phrasing and truncation, but that is indeed what he said.

 

Beeb has a snippet ; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8629044.stm

 

I like his statement about our foreign aid budget, stating that we hand it "willy nilly to foreign dictators" without one shred of evidence or an example to back it up with...quality.

[dune]

I like his statement about our foreign aid budget, stating that we hand it "willy nilly to foreign dictators" without one shred of evidence or an example to back it up with...quality.

 

To be fair he has a point though. Why should we give aid to other countries when we could spend the money here?