BNP

[dune]

Good argument that. Shows how the far-right is ruining patriotism for the rest of us.

 

Want to make this easier? Or just carry on ignoring points you have no response to?

 

I thought that and wasn't keen to post the link, but couldn't resist proving VFTT wrong.

[IamLeGod]

There are many people worried about immigration in this country and it is a legitimate concern. It is not racist to talk about it or be worried about it.

The problem with the BNP is that they are a bunch of racists hiding behind these fears and playing on them. If anyone thinks it's about immigration, then they are sadly mistaken. Immigration is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to the BNP. My view is that Wayne Thomas is as British as me, but I bet that's not Nick Griffin's view. They consider anyone not white an inferior person. They wont say so of course, but that's the underlying message.

 

We seem to have a real problem in this country of people coming here from their home country, but being unwilling to adapt and accept our culture. They seem to want to live here but retain the culture and standards, including the language of the country they came from. 20 years ago I worked for 4 years in the States and although, they've a long way to go in terms of racial tolerence, found that most of the immigrants I met (I worked on Building sites and met a lot of immigrant labourers) wanted to be American. They were proud of their roots and their country, but still wanted to aspire to American ideals and freedoms. I just dont get that feeling nowadays in The UK.

 

You only have to look and see how the West Indian immigrants settled into the UK, and through music and Sport and a work ethic, became as British as you and me.I would welcome anyone who wants to be British, wants to live and breath British ideals and contribute to British society, but too many want to transfer their homeland to Britain.

 

In a round-a-bout way Nick Griffin has done - "There's no such thing as a black welshman". This pretty much amounts to the same thing IMO

[View From The Top]

I thought that and wasn't keen to post the link, but couldn't resist proving VFTT wrong.

 

So you are saying that there isn't a parade, this year, paid for by the council, a labour council, supporting patriotism in one of the most ethnically diverse regions of England?

 

Please explain how this fits in with the left wing confusing patriotism with racism?

[dune]

So you are saying that there isn't a parade, this year, paid for by the council, a labour council, supporting patriotism in one of the most ethnically diverse regions of England?

 

Please explain how this fits in with the left wing confusing patriotism with racism?

 

I'm saying that there was a parade last year that the Socialist council refused to fund. Presumably they had to reluctantly fund it this year because they were **** scared of losing their seats at a future election, not because they wanted to fund it.

[Joensuu]

I'm saying that there was a parade last year that the Socialist council refused to fund. Presumably they had to reluctantly fund it this year because they were **** scared of losing their seats at a future election, not because they wanted to fund it.

 

The council is Labour not Socialist HTH

 

Also, if you read the article you posted, you would see that in 2009 there was a concern about extremist groups exploiting the parade. Perfectly legitimate to cancel it under the circumstances.

Edited 12 April, 2010 by Joensuu

[View From The Top]

I'm saying that there was a parade last year that the Socialist council refused to fund. Presumably they had to reluctantly fund it this year because they were **** scared of losing their seats at a future election, not because they wanted to fund it.

 

They've been funding it for over 20 years so yet again you've been proved wrong.

 

Last year the council closed the roads, supplied the facilities etc. What they wouldn't do is pay £10k for policing that West Mids police insisted upon after the BNP had attempted to hijack events in '08 which caused no end of mither. Keltruck paid for that as they didn't want a great event ruined by mindless morons.

 

It's just to easy.

[View From The Top]

The council is Labour not Socialist HTH

 

He's just to easy to own.

 

Like all NF followers is age is greater than his IQ.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Somebody mentioned expats a wee while ago.

 

I have friends who live on the Costa Brava. They haven't bothered to learn Spanish, they use local companies that are British owned for all their needs - pool cleaning, hairdressing, car servicing etc.

 

The 'community' in which they live even tried to take over one of the Spanish national holiday parades for their own celebrations.

 

Just thought I'd share that with you.

 

I despair when I see The Red Lion and The Kings Head in Spainish holiday resorts. Me and my Mrs are seroiulsy considering retiring to the South of France, not because it's hotter (although that's a plus) but because we like the French way of life and their culture.

 

When I lived in the States we English had a football team and a bar we drunk in (an Irish one). However the guys who'd been there years had American wives and kids and had fully acceptted their way of life, they just played football and socialised with us once a week. In some instances they become citizens. The ones (like me) just passing through for the craic,tended to be Englsihmen working abroad, so didn't embrace it as much as we should of (something I regret now)

[Baj]

He's just to easy to own.

 

Like all NF followers is age is greater than his IQ.

First and final warning, if you can't avoid insulting each other, dont post on the forum

[dune]

They've been funding it for over 20 years so yet again you've been proved wrong.

 

Last year the council closed the roads, supplied the facilities etc. What they wouldn't do is pay £10k for policing that West Mids police insisted upon after the BNP had attempted to hijack events in '08 which caused no end of mither. Keltruck paid for that as they didn't want a great event ruined by mindless morons.

 

It's just to easy.

 

And this year they did a u turn.

[View From The Top]

And this year they did a u turn.

 

No, this year the police do not want £10000 for policing as the local BNP have agreed to stay away so not to ruin an event that's been running for over 20 years.

 

Too easy.

[Crab Lungs]

The worrying thing about the BNP for me is that whilst many of us will not be duped by their more appealing public image, there still underlies many, many nasty and ulterior motives.

 

I've read their policies at length and in my opinion, many of them are what I agree with. I like their emphasis to rid the country of unnecessary jobs, repatriation of immigrants should they CHOOSE to leave the UK (more importantly though, that offer nothing to the economy) and their ideals about being openly proud to be English (after all, PC-ism has gone doolally in some places).

 

Though when you look beyond the nicey-nicey public image and scratch just a little beneath you will most likely discover more than just a few facist tendancies.

 

Having read a lot on Hitler, the NSDAP etc I have to say I do find striking similarities - though Hitler was afforded the grace of a susceptible public who would openly listen to his beliefs and views. The difference is the BNP are not afforded this despite the UK's economic downturn and failure on immigration - so therefore they have to adjust their public image to suit. "Oh, we've changed".

 

Er, no you haven't. :-o

 

Make no mistake, IF they ever got in you would most definitely find what they claim to say in their manifestos and what they'd actually do would be two different things altogether.

 

That said, I was disgusted at the treatment of Nick Griffin on QT last year... Whilst he may be an odious man, it was a public lynching and was a disgrace that other parties were given the opportunity to spend little time explaining their own failures but instead join in the public lynch mob. If truth be told, they should be taking a long hard look at themselves as it is because of their inability or lack of addressing policies that mean something to the British public that NG was on the show and his party are gaining votes.

[Sour Mash]

You only have to look and see how the West Indian immigrants settled into the UK, and through music and Sport and a work ethic, became as British as you and me.

 

Can't agree with you that I'm afraid. I know plenty of 2nd and even 3rd generation people of Afro-Carribean heritage and while many do see themselves as British and are positive about this country, the vast majority still see themselves as partly Jamaican, Nigerian etc etc and do still see themselves as different (even slightly different) to those that would be classed as "white british".

[Sour Mash]

How many people posting on here live in Newham, Peckham, Oldham, Southall, Bradford, Aston, Hackney,Tottenham, Tower Hamlets, Barking etc etc? The majority (I know not all) posting on here live in nice middle class areas, that only tend to benefit (if they're actually affected at all) by mass immigration (cheap labour -e.g. builders/mini cabs etc or the "exciting" option of eating at a different kind of restaurant when out in London for example). Very different to those who genuinely feel swamped by large communities very differnt from their own, taking over areas that they and their parents had grown up in.

[Lord Duckhunter]

You only have to look and see how the West Indian immigrants settled into the UK, and through music and Sport and a work ethic, became as British as you and me.QUOTE]

 

Can't agree with you that I'm afraid. I know plenty of 2nd and even 3rd generation people of Afro-Carribean heritage and while many do see themselves as British and are positive about this country, the vast majority still see themselves as partly Jamaican, Nigerian etc etc and do still see themselves as different (even slightly different) to those that would be classed as "white british".

 

I consider myself to be English British, they consider themselves Jamaican British. The vast amount of immigrants now, just want their home Country and their customs transported to this country. The first wave of immigrants adapted to British life and culture whilst maintaing certain aspects of their own culture. Some of this then merged and became British culture, Two tone music, (which personally I dont like) being a prime example. Curries being another one. The point is they now consider themselves British and it is in line with the American way. American immigrants as a whole, take on vast parts of the American culture and values , whilst describing themselves as German American or Irish American.

 

I can't see the next Trevor Macdonald, John Barnes or Meera Syal coming out of the present generation of immigrants.

[View From The Top]

How many people posting on here live in Newham, Peckham, Oldham, Southall, Bradford, Aston, Hackney,Tottenham, Tower Hamlets, Barking etc etc? The majority (I know not all) posting on here live in nice middle class areas, that only tend to benefit (if they're actually affected at all) by mass immigration (cheap labour -e.g. builders/mini cabs etc or the "exciting" option of eating at a different kind of restaurant when out in London for example). Very different to those who genuinely feel swamped by large communities very differnt from their own, taking over areas that they and their parents had grown up in.

 

No one is saying that non EU immigration isn't an issue. It clearly is, even with leafties like myself.

 

The difference is we don't believe the BNP is the answer. What the answer is I'm not sure but "they" are here to stay. Like it nor not we are going to have to live alongside one another.

[Gingeletiss]

........Make no mistake, IF they ever got in you would most definitely find what they claim to say in their manifestos and what they'd actually do would be two different things altogether......

 

Bit like Labour then, they have lied and lied, and belive it or not, they are still lying!

[View From The Top]

Bit like Labour then, they have lied and lied, and belive it or not, they are still lying!

 

The tories never tell lies, never ever. They are all really really nice and do just as they promise, honest they do. Wouldn't dream of saying one thing to get elected and then doing another. Nope, not them.

 

They'd never dream of using public money to have their moat cleared and say that people are just jealous because they have a big house so therefore needed lots of money to pay for the gardening.

 

They also care deeply about wild fowl and ensure that they are housed accordingly.

 

Nope, the tories are whiter than white. They are so good they make Jesus look iffy.

[Sour Mash]

No one is saying that non EU immigration isn't an issue. It clearly is, even with leafties like myself.

 

The difference is we don't believe the BNP is the answer. What the answer is I'm not sure but "they" are here to stay. Like it nor not we are going to have to live alongside one another.

 

To be honest that's kind of how I see it. I have no intention of supporting the BNP, but I can understand how others in certain areas and situations would support them and I wouldn't simply lump all of those together as "scum".

[dune]

Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261044/Slaughter-swans-As-carcasses-pile-crude-camps-built-river-banks-residents-frightened-visit-park-Peterborough.html#ixzz0ktuELhdc

[Gingeletiss]

Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261044/Slaughter-swans-As-carcasses-pile-crude-camps-built-river-banks-residents-frightened-visit-park-Peterborough.html#ixzz0ktuELhdc

 

 

I hope that BTF and VFTT read this, and then justify it:mad:

[ecuk268]

http://www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/CDP/CDP_18_09.pdf

 

The above is a study of immigration conducted in 2009 by University College, London.

 

It concludes that EU immigrants made a "substantial net contribution to the UK fiscal system", paying 37 per cent more in taxes than they received in welfare payments.

 

Researchers found that, on average, migrants were younger and better educated than the native population, as well as being 60 per cent less likely to claim benefits and 58 per cent less likely to live in social housing.

 

Bet the Daily Mail didn't report it.

[bridge too far]

I hope that BTF and VFTT read this, and then justify it:mad:

 

I don't have time to comment on mythology.

 

HTH

[View From The Top]

I hope that BTF and VFTT read this, and then justify it:mad:

 

It's in the Mail Mr Angry so it must be true.

 

Them nasty people.

 

Ship 'em all back I say, them with them foreign ways. My grandad didn't stay at home and do nothing between 1939 - 1945 for them nig nogs to come over here.

 

I feel a letter to my MP coming on.

[Gingeletiss]

I don't have time to comment on mythology.

 

HTH

 

Then perhaps you should of read the letter from one of Peterbourghs councilors, addressed to the leaders of all three main partys, detailing what immigration has meant to his ward, The slaughter of swans was only a small part of his grievence!

[Gingeletiss]

It's in the Mail Mr Angry so it must be true.

 

Them nasty people.

 

Ship 'em all back I say, them with them foreign ways. My grandad didn't stay at home and do nothing between 1939 - 1945 for them nig nogs to come over here.

 

I feel a letter to my MP coming on.

 

Oh ditto you, same as above!

[View From The Top]

www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/CDP/CDP_18_09.pdf

 

The above is a study of immigration conducted in 2009 by University College, London.

 

It concludes that EU immigrants made a "substantial net contribution to the UK fiscal system", paying 37 per cent more in taxes than they received in welfare payments.

 

Researchers found that, on average, migrants were younger and better educated than the native population, as well as being 60 per cent less likely to claim benefits and 58 per cent less likely to live in social housing.

 

Bet the Daily Mail didn't report it.

 

My next door neighbours are Slovak. I nicer couple you couldn't wish to meet (their two lads are playing footy with my nipper in the garden at the mo).

 

He works permanent nights at a big distribution centre and she works days at Alton Towers hotel.

 

Their kids speak almost perfect English, they have a nice house (and in Slovakia as well) and have no intention of ever going back.

 

How any sensible, sane person (those who are short in stature or IQ are exempted) can have an issue with them due to them being foreign is beyond me.

 

Then again, I'm not a small minded bigot.

[IamLeGod]

Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261044/Slaughter-swans-As-carcasses-pile-crude-camps-built-river-banks-residents-frightened-visit-park-Peterborough.html#ixzz0ktuELhdc

 

That article merely proves what I have been saying all along. Scaremonger reporting made purely to sell papers to paranoid opponents of immigration.

 

The most ridiculous article ever. 6 actual cases confirmed, but thats not enough so we'll just speculate its more. That house I went to with no-body in had loads. There, not that I can prove it, I forgot my camera.

 

If this house he visited did exist why are there no photos of it? The only photo of the houses has some lady in, so clearly its not the one that journo has been to and could frankly be from anywhere. Also, if the true scale of this is true and RSPCA are so concerned why did they not get a quote from them? I highly doubt the RSPCA would refuse to comment if they felt this was true.

[Thedelldays]

my neighbours are polish..it is a 2 double bedroom flat and somehow 5 people are living there (I kid you not) and for 1 car parking space they have 5 taxis..

 

seriously

[View From The Top]

Then perhaps you should of read the letter from one of Peterbourghs councilors, addressed to the leaders of all three main partys, detailing what immigration has meant to his ward, The slaughter of swans was only a small part of his grievence!

 

Send 'em all back I say. Get out of Europe. White is right.

[View From The Top]

my neighbours are polish..it is a 2 double bedroom flat and somehow 5 people are living there (I kid you not) and for 2 car parking space they have 5 taxis..

 

seriously

 

Not uncommon though if they are all male.

 

They tend to save their dosh and then get their own places, if they are here long term, or just do it to cut costs in they are here short term for the money.

[Thedelldays]

Not uncommon though if they are all male.

 

They tend to save their dosh and then get their own places, if they are here long term, or just do it to cut costs in they are here short term for the money.

they are really nice and have helped with me a problem with my car the other day

 

they send as much money back to poland and tend to move back there in a few years..

 

the number of taxis is a farking nightmare though and it does peessh me off

[Gingeletiss]

Send 'em all back I say. Get out of Europe. White is right.

 

Read the letter, don't ridicule something that you haven't read. Saturdays Mail, inside, read the letter, then come back with one of your infantile quips!!

[dune]

It's in the Mail Mr Angry so it must be true.

 

Them nasty people.

 

Ship 'em all back I say, them with them foreign ways. My grandad didn't stay at home and do nothing between 1939 - 1945 for them nig nogs to come over here.

 

I feel a letter to my MP coming on.

 

I've noticed how you and others use derogatory terms to describe black people to suit your agenda, but why is it acceptable for you to use such terms to make a point, while it'd be unacceptable for those on the right to use these terms?

[View From The Top]

they are really nice and have helped with me a problem with my car the other day

 

they send as much money back to poland and tend to move back there in a few years..

the number of taxis is a farking nightmare though and it does peessh me off

 

I can imagine.

 

We have a group, similar to yours, opposite (behind) us.

 

Good as gold and happy to move cars as they know whose spaces are whose. The did ask if they could use them during the day when we are out, which obviously isn't an issue.

[Crab Lungs]

Here's one for the Daily Mail.

 

Got talking to a Slovak girl a couple of years back. We hit off so I suggested we meet again - she very keenly, agreed.

 

I of course was thinking 'oi oi'

 

Anyway, took her out for a meal, drinks etc in excess of £150. We had a ball... on the way back to hers she tells me she's sorry, but she's got a boyfriend.

 

I stood there and just burst out laughing.

 

She asked me why I wasn't mad and could understand if I wanted to hit her (lmao :-o).. she just couldn't tell me after meeting me and that we got on so well...

 

I just replied that the situation was so bad it was funny and that I'm not really the type to smack around a woman. We parted on amicable terms but she still texts me to this day to meet up with her again...

 

Bloody slovaks, coming over here, nicking my lunch money under false pretences.

[View From The Top]

Read the letter, don't ridicule something that you haven't read. Saturdays Mail, inside, read the letter, then come back with one of your infantile quips!!

 

I'm sure Peterborough would be a far nicer and more prosperous city with no immigration.

 

You'd be able to sleep safe in the knowledge that no one was going to cut your throat in the night or eat the swans.

[View From The Top]

I've noticed how you and others use derogatory terms to describe black people to suit your agenda, but why is it acceptable for you to use such terms to make a point, while it'd be unacceptable for those on the right to use these terms?

 

I'm sorry Mr NF, which derogatory terms would you prefer me to use when I reinforce my points showing how small minded and bigoted a number of posters are?

[View From The Top]

Right, I'm off to the park with the kids. Hopefully everyone will be white English and I'll count the swans in case my neighbours have eaten them.

Edited 12 April, 2010 by View From The Top

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Now I am by no means saying that this is a purely 'White British' condition, but there always seems to be an air of 'them and us' about all of this. It seems to have been ingrained in the British psyche since about 1066!! It's a very 'hippy' thing to say but, we are all human beings at the end of the day, can't we all just get along!?!?!

[AndyNorthernSaints]

The BNP and it's supporters aren't fascists or racists, we're patriots.

 

No one can be this thick can they?

[dune]

Now I am by no means saying that this is a purely 'White British' condition, but there always seems to be an air of 'them and us' about all of this. It seems to have been ingrained in the British psyche since about 1066!! It's a very 'hippy' thing to say but, we are all human beings at the end of the day, can't we all just get along!?!?!

 

Do you believe in Darwinism?

[Block 5]

The BNP and it's supporters aren't fascists or racists, we're patriots.

 

If you honestly believe that the BNP aren't racists and fascists then you are seriously deluded.

 

Patriots eh?

 

These pictures show what self-confessed patriots like yourself are capable of.

 

 

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Do you believe in Darwinism?

 

Join date 14-07-2009. About the same time Nazi Boy 'Stanley' stopped posting his White Power sh1te on here.

[IamLeGod]

Now I am by no means saying that this is a purely 'White British' condition, but there always seems to be an air of 'them and us' about all of this. It seems to have been ingrained in the British psyche since about 1066!! It's a very 'hippy' thing to say but, we are all human beings at the end of the day, can't we all just get along!?!?!

 

Well this goes hand in hand with a specific type of nationalism. I won't go into the whole theory of it, but basically a lot of nationalism is concerned with defining one's own culture as individually specific or unique in relation to the characteristics of another culture, defining themselves against what is known as 'the other'.

 

Do you believe in Darwinism?

 

It is when ideas like this come into play that nationalism in the form mentioned above (which in itself is silly and ultimately cultivated for political reasons) that Nationalism becomes dangerous. Hitler used to believe in Social Darwinism - that was something we should definitely sign up to right?

[dune]

If you honestly believe that the BNP aren't racists and fascists then you are seriously deluded.

 

Patriots eh?

 

These pictures show what self-confessed patriots like yourself are capable of.

 

 

 

To be fair anyone is capable of doing most things, but Oklahoma bombers were nutters. It takes a giant leap from voting BNP to becoming a bomber, just like it takes a giant leap from being an animals rights protester to digging up graves.

[dune]

It is when ideas like this come into play that nationalism in the form mentioned above (which in itself is silly and ultimately cultivated for political reasons) that Nationalism becomes dangerous. Hitler used to believe in Social Darwinism - that was something we should definitely sign up to right?

 

So by that logic science should only be studied if it's poltically correct. It's attitudes like this that really annoy me.

[IamLeGod]

So by that logic science should only be studied if it's poltically correct. It's attitudes like this that really annoy me.

 

Missed my point once again. Also quite interesting you are harking on about the PC stuff I mentioned earlier but you failed to address. Funny that. You continue to prove me right. Thanks

[dune]

Missed my point once again. Also quite interesting you are harking on about the PC stuff I mentioned earlier but you failed to address. Funny that. You continue to prove me right. Thanks

 

Sorry I didn't mean to miss the point you were making - what was the point you were making?

[Joensuu]

I hope that BTF and VFTT read this, and then justify it:mad:

 

Shocking. I'm absolutely outraged.

 

People in MY country, are for one reason or another living in completely degrading shelters, and instead of protesting that we should do something about it, some of our national newspapers decide that the real story is that these unfortunate indivduals have been forced to fish and hunt for food. How very dare these Eastern Europeans expect to come over here and barely survive? Yeah, lets kick them out and stir up some more of the xenophobic ambrosia that our blue-rinse, shoulder-padded, octogenarian readership love to spend their pension on reading about.

 

Mind you at least the Polish Embassy makes a sensible point:

 

"How many Polish people are involved?' he said. 'Four or five. A minority. If somebody has broken the law by behaving in this bestial way, I'm sure they will be punished according to the British law. I've heard of four or five people being arrested. It creates the wrong picture to say that hordes of Polish people are taking British wildlife."