BNP

[Block 5]

The farming industry is very much interlinked, most farms (with the exception of the East) practise mixed farming. Does that answer your question.

 

Sadly your stand on this highlights the left's deep rooted hatred of farming and rural communities. That is why they spent 700 hours debating the irrelevant fox hunting (how many lives did that improve?) and just 7 on discussing the war on Iraq which will scar our relations in that part of the world for years and years. I expect you would stand by the disproportionate time spent on this?

 

Zzzzzz.........

 

I think this thread is supposed to be about the fascist BNP.

 

You need this http://farmingforum.co.uk/

[bridge too far]

I resigned from the Labour Party over the Iraq war - happy?

 

Farming is mixed. Therefore logic tells me (if not you) that one arm is going to 'offended' (your words, not mine) if a vegetarian is the responsible Minister and another arm if the responsible Minister eats meat.

 

Just because you're blinkered in your views on life, love and the universe, doesn't mean to say that intelligent ministers are.

[Pancake]

Zzzzzz.........

 

I think this thread is supposed to be about the fascist BNP.

 

You need this http://farmingforum.co.uk/

 

Fascist.

[Block 5]

Fascist.

 

Don't you oppress me!

[dune]

Zzzzzz.........

 

I think this thread is supposed to be about the fascist BNP.

 

You need this http://farmingforum.co.uk/

 

The BNP and it's supporters aren't fascists or racists, we're patriots.

[bridge too far]

The BNP and it's supporters aren't fascists or racists, we're patriots.

 

I think you'll find that you're on the wrong forum

 

TSM Crap Joke Reposit

 

:smt046

[RedAndWhite91]

The BNP and it's supporters aren't fascists or racists, we're patriots.

 

You said the other day that 'patriotism' and 'racism' are the exact same thing. I'm patriotic, but I'm not racist, and therefore not a BNP supporter.

[TopGun]

Stu, I don't know if the BNP will field a candidate in Romsey. If they do, I hope large numbers of people will turn up to disrupt every meeting that he / she attends.

 

I don't think Romsey is likley to attract a BNP candidate. It's hardly Barking or Burnley!

[dune]

You said the other day that 'patriotism' and 'racism' are the exact same thing. I'm patriotic, but I'm not racist, and therefore not a BNP supporter.

 

It's the poltically correct left wing that have rebranded patriotism into a nasty thing you be should be ashamed of. They call patriotism racism, when most British patriots are not racist, they just don't want to see the country swamped with immigrants.

[IamLeGod]

According to the 2001 census results the population = 92.1% White British.

 

 

Yes dune, clearly we are "swamped with immigrants"

[Joensuu]

It's the poltically correct left wing that have rebranded patriotism into a nasty thing you be should be ashamed of. They call patriotism racism, when most British patriots are not racist, they just don't want to see the country swamped with immigrants.

 

I'm sure you'll agree I fall into the politically correct left wing, I still consider myself to be a patriot. Just not at the exclusion of others.

 

There are different types of patriotism: there's a huge difference between positive pride in the good things in a country, and authoritarian hatred of the 'other'. When patriotism becomes racist, it is rascism.

[bungle]

Remember, dune has never denied being a racist. In fact, he is quite proud of his racist and fascist views.

[dune]

According to the 2001 census results the population = 92.1% White British.

 

 

Yes dune, clearly we are "swamped with immigrants"

 

What's the figure for 2010 and what will the figure be in 2020?

[dune]

Remember, dune has never denied being a racist. In fact, he is quite proud of his racist and fascist views.

 

I'm very proud of my patriotic views.

[bungle]

I'm very proud of my patriotic views.

 

Once again, no denial that dune is a racist. It is now quite clear here for all to see that dune is racist scum.

[Joensuu]

I'm very proud of my patriotic views.

 

So am I. Big difference between patriotism and racism though.

[Pancake]

What's the figure for 2010 and what will the figure be in 2020?

 

2011 is the next one.

[bridge too far]

What's the figure for 2010 and what will the figure be in 2020?

 

The next census isn't due to be held until 2011. Fancy not knowing that!

[IamLeGod]

What's the figure for 2010 and what will the figure be in 2020?

 

Yes dune, I'm sure in the imaginary census this year or maybe the real one next year the figures will show "we are swamped with immigrants".

 

Does go someway to show the paranoia of the BNP and the nasty side of Nationalism. Supporters of the BNP really have no idea what Nationalism is actually about.

[dune]

So am I. Big difference between patriotism and racism though.

 

The big difference is how it's spun by the politically correct brigade. Saying that multiculturalism is a failed experiment isn't a racist view for example. It's a view based on the fact that in towns and cities up and down the country we have seen apartheid by choice with comunities choosing not to integrate with each other. Look at places like London and you see predominently muslim areas, you see predominently afro caribean areas, you see predominently white areas. Also look to places like Luton where you see support for the EDL at it's strongest, and Islamist extremism capabl of carrying out attrocities like 7/7. So is it racist to have the opinion that multiculturalism has failed?

[dune]

Once again, no denial that dune is a racist. It is now quite clear here for all to see that dune is racist scum.

 

What is clear is that you are incapable of discussing the issue of our multicultural society like an adult.

[bridge too far]

I've done a lot of work in Leicester that has a good number of Asians.

 

I've never worked in a more cohesive community.

 

And I've worked in many.

[Pancake]

Look at places like London and you see predominently muslim areas, you see predominently afro caribean areas, you see predominently white areas.

 

Of course you do, its human nature to group together with those of a similar ilk. That combined with socio-economics makes these defined areas even more dense.

[dune]

Of course you do, its human nature to group together with those of a similar ilk. That combined with socio-economics makes these defined areas even more dense.

 

And proves that intergration - the base of a society - has failed when it comes to a multicultural society.

[Pancake]

And proves that intergration - the base of a society - has failed when it comes to a multicultural society.

 

No it hasn't. Cast your mind back to school. Did you group yourself with others of a like mind? Football lads with football lads, nerd with nerds, popular girls with popular girls. That surely didn't mean that the school a problem within it's micro-society; surely it simply meant that people gravitate to those like them.

 

The problem occurs when these particular groups become insular and reject any entry from the outside. I would bet you that within these 'ghettos' within London you will find dwellers that are not of the main ethnic group.

[dune]

I've done a lot of work in Leicester that has a good number of Asians.

 

I've never worked in a more cohesive community.

 

And I've worked in many.

 

There's a white estate in leicester (the real name escapes me) that the locals call the Alamo. It's a white area and Asians don't dare move there because they know they'll be attacked. Also there has been long running tensions between the black comunities youths and the Asian comunities youths. You may think it's a cohesive comunity and compared to places with less work like Oldham and Bradford it is more cohesive, but scrath below the surafce and you will see all is not as it might seem. Also look to the rise of the BNP in the NW suberbs (where the whites have moved) and you'll see that all is not hunky dory.

[Joensuu]

The big difference is how it's spun by the politically correct brigade. Saying that multiculturalism is a failed experiment isn't a racist view for example. It's a view based on the fact that in towns and cities up and down the country we have seen apartheid by choice with comunities choosing not to integrate with each other. Look at places like London and you see predominently muslim areas, you see predominently afro caribean areas, you see predominently white areas. Also look to places like Luton where you see support for the EDL at it's strongest, and Islamist extremism capabl of carrying out attrocities like 7/7. So is it racist to have the opinion that multiculturalism has failed?

 

Of course it isn't racist to suggest that you believe that multicultralism has failed. It is the 'and therefore...' that so often follows this sort of arguement which decends into racism.

 

FWIW, I think multicultralism does indeed work, but only where the town planners are proactive, and provide mixed economic housing. Towns such as Burnley are perfect examples of where multicultralism hasn't been applied, and the inevitable tendancy of humans to feel more comfortable around people they know has seen a seperation in communities and growing mutual distrust. London is one of the better examples of multicultralism working successfully. Sure there are a couple of districts that are dominated by a single minority (e.g Tower Hamlets, or Peckham), but there are plenty of examples of areas where communities are currently mixed and getting on fine (e.g. Streatham, Acton, Camden etc). From my personal experience racism is much more of a problem in the areas where large non-diverse communities are gathered, such as Burnley, Peckham (oh and a few other areas, which on the 7th May will have retained their shade of blue.)

[View From The Top]

The farming industry is very much interlinked, most farms (with the exception of the East) practise mixed farming. Does that answer your question.

 

Sadly your stand on this highlights the left's deep rooted hatred of farming and rural communities. That is why they spent 700 hours debating the irrelevant fox hunting (how many lives did that improve?) and just 7 on discussing the war on Iraq which will scar our relations in that part of the world for years and years. I expect you would stand by the disproportionate time spent on this?

 

LOL.

 

There are some seriously odd people on this messageboard.

[IamLeGod]

The big difference is how it's spun by the politically correct brigade. Saying that multiculturalism is a failed experiment isn't a racist view for example. It's a view based on the fact that in towns and cities up and down the country we have seen apartheid by choice with comunities choosing not to integrate with each other. Look at places like London and you see predominently muslim areas, you see predominently afro caribean areas, you see predominently white areas. Also look to places like Luton where you see support for the EDL at it's strongest, and Islamist extremism capabl of carrying out attrocities like 7/7. So is it racist to have the opinion that multiculturalism has failed?

 

Have you been to London? I would suggest that as a city it is one of the biggest successes of multiculturalism.

 

And this goes far beyond small pockets of housing filled by people from certain groups.

 

Shops sell everything from all other the world. You can hear music derived from every genre made from every corner of the planet. You can eat in restaurants serving food from almost every country imaginable. Buildings derived from architecture and art work from right across the globe.

 

London is one of the most amazing cities in the world. Meet anyone from anywhere on the planet and they will tell you this. The reason for this is because its such a multicultural city that draws inspiration from the vast number of cultures inhabiting it, adding their own something to the city and ultimately improving it. For any true Patriot this is something to take great pride in and celebrate, whilst encouraging other to share in this.

Edited 12 April, 2010 by IamLeGod

[ecuk268]

And proves that intergration - the base of a society - has failed when it comes to a multicultural society.

 

Newcomers group together to begin with - look at the UK "ghettos" in France and Spain as the UK ex-pats tend to live in the same areas.

 

But. over time, they disperse. Southampton is a good example. In my bit of Upper Shirley we have Asians, Afro-Caribbeans, and families from France, Italy and Greece.

 

My son was at school with all of them plus a lad from Chile, and his best mate had an Italian dad and a French mum.

 

Haven't noticed any race riots in our road recently - people get on fine together.

[Sheaf Saint]

And proves that intergration - the base of a society - has failed when it comes to a multicultural society.

 

That may be true in some areas dune, but not all.

 

There is a place here in Sheffield called Sharrow where there is a large chinese element living in the area, as well as polish, asian, african-carribbean etc.. But there is also a large contingency of white british people living there who do not in any way feel threatened by their immigrant and immigrant-descended neighbours. In fact a lot of the indigenous population, as you and all the rest of your fellow BNP-supporters like to describe us, love the fact that they have so many different cultures in their vicinity.

 

Yesterday was the annual Sharrow Lantern Carnival. The whole community turns out on the streets to take part and the atmosphere of it is fantastic. Come and check it out next year and then try, in all good conscience, to tell me or anybody else present that the multicultural experiment has failed. You will find that nobody is listening to you if you do.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

There's a white estate in leicester (the real name escapes me) that the locals call the Alamo. It's a white area and Asians don't dare move there because they know they'll be attacked. Also there has been long running tensions between the black comunities youths and the Asian comunities youths. You may think it's a cohesive comunity and compared to places with less work like Oldham and Bradford it is more cohesive, but scrath below the surafce and you will see all is not as it might seem. Also look to the rise of the BNP in the NW suberbs (where the whites have moved) and you'll see that all is not hunky dory.

 

Are you Nazi Boy 'Stanley' who used to post his racist white power sh1te on here?

[Joensuu]

For any true Patriot this is something to take great pride in and encourage this to continue.

 

Absolutely agree. I take great pride in the diversity of London's population and the way it is showing the world how multiculturalism is possible. The harmony with which different racial groups co-exist in London is one of the best things about the country IMO.

The c. 1 million utter bigots who are hell-bent on wrecking this in the name of 'patriotism' are a disgrace to everything this country stands for. Anyone voting BNP must hate their country.

[Pancake]

From my personal experience racism is much more of a problem in the areas where large non-diverse communities are gathered, such as Burnley, Peckham (oh and a few other areas, which on the 7th May will have retained their shade of blue.)

 

A bit harsh (Im assuming you mean Tory)

[dune]

That may be true in some areas dune, but not all.

 

There is a place here in Sheffield called Sharrow where there is a large chinese element living in the area, as well as polish, asian, african-carribbean etc.. But there is also a large contingency of white british people living there who do not in any way feel threatened by their immigrant and immigrant-descended neighbours. In fact a lot of the indigenous population, as you and all the rest of your fellow BNP-supporters like to describe us, love the fact that they have so many different cultures in their vicinity.

 

Yesterday was the annual Sharrow Lantern Carnival. The whole community turns out on the streets to take part and the atmosphere of it is fantastic. Come and check it out next year and then try, in all good conscience, to tell me or anybody else present that the multicultural experiment has failed. You will find that nobody is listening to you if you do.

 

I'm not telling you it's failed per se, but i'm saying that communities have stuck together and formed their own areas in many towns and cities. It's also true of many areas that white people have moved to the suburbs and reformed their comunities and don't want to have migrtants moving into them. I give you Barking as an example.

[IamLeGod]

Just thinking,

 

Does this whole BNP notion of 'people shouting us down proves political correctness has gone mad and we are the real voice of the people..." demonstrate exactly how much they are in the minority? Is it merely an attempt to try and explain away the reason everyone actually does despise them so much?

 

Take in point this thread for example. It pretty much has turned into a very few people trying to claim that the BNP and their views are correct and everyone does believe this and they are on the up. Yet nothing really does show it. The country at whole and every other institution appears to loathe the BNP's views. Which can sort of be seen here, the overwhelming majority of posters on here.

 

Just thought that this may suggest something...But hey what do I know?

Edited 12 April, 2010 by IamLeGod

[View From The Top]

It's the poltically correct left wing that have rebranded patriotism into a nasty thing you be should be ashamed of. They call patriotism racism, when most British patriots are not racist, they just don't want to see the country swamped with immigrants.

 

Really? So why is the very left wing metropolitan authority of Sandwell having a huge St Georges Day rally and parade this year, as they've done every year, in one of the most ethnically diverse areas of England? Why are they encouraging displays of patriotism?

 

Still, we wouldn't want to show you up for a NF supporting neo Nazi would we.

[Joensuu]

A bit harsh (Im assuming you mean Tory)

 

Perhaps I was a bit harsh. What I mean't was the areas of Britain with lowest diversity, are full of people who have little first hand experience of living with people from different races. There is a strange parallel between some of these areas which lack diversity, and their tendancy to vote Conservative.

[dune]

Really? So why is the very left wing metropolitan authority of Sandwell having a huge St Georges Day rally and parade this year, as they've done every year, in one of the most ethnically diverse areas of England? Why are they encouraging displays of patriotism?

 

The local council withdrew funding for the parade and Keltruck truck company director Chris Kelly pledged £10,000 to ensure the parade in West Bromwich went ahead. I think that speak volumes about our politically correct ruling elite.

[bridge too far]

Perhaps I was a bit harsh. What I mean't was the areas of Britain with lowest diversity, are full of people who have little first hand experience of living with people from different races. There is a strange parallel between some of these areas which lack diversity, and their tendancy to vote Conservative.

 

You're so right. I'm 'blessed' with a very right-wing brother who is often to be heard moaning about immigration.

 

In the course of his day I bet he very rarely meets anyone from the ethnic minorities. Apart, of course, from the wonderful Iraqui doctor who treated our mother.

[dune]

You're so right. I'm 'blessed' with a very right-wing brother who is often to be heard moaning about immigration.

 

You brother sounds like one of my mates.

[bridge too far]

You brother sounds like one of my mates.

 

Probably.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

You're so right. I'm 'blessed' with a very right-wing brother who is often to be heard moaning about immigration.

 

That's worth a discussion of nature v nurture in itself.

[View From The Top]

The local council withdrew funding for the parade and Keltruck truck company director Chris Kelly pledged £10,000 to ensure the parade in West Bromwich went ahead. I think that speak volumes about our politically correct ruling elite.

 

I work in Sandwell and it's being organised and run by the local authority as it is every year as dozens of roads are shut and Dartmouth Park is used as the end point and only the local authority is big enough to organise it all.

 

This year it has a budget of £40k.

 

http://www.laws.sandwell.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/leisure-and-culture/events-in-sandwell/annual-events/st--george-s-day/

 

Still, you get all your info from the BNP/NF so it shows you how easily led you are.

[bridge too far]

That's worth a discussion of nature v nurture in itself.

 

Yeah, well he's a bit thick

[dune]

I work in Sandwell and it's being organised and run by the local authority as it is every year as dozens of roads are shut and Dartmouth Park is used as the end point and only the local authority is big enough to organise it all.

 

This year it has a budget of £40k.

 

http://www.laws.sandwell.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/leisure-and-culture/events-in-sandwell/annual-events/st--george-s-day/

 

Still, you get all your info from the BNP/NF so it shows you how easily led you are.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8007085.stm

[IamLeGod]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8007085.stm

 

Good argument that. Shows how the far-right is ruining patriotism for the rest of us.

 

Want to make this easier? Or just carry on ignoring points you have no response to?

[Lord Duckhunter]

There are many people worried about immigration in this country and it is a legitimate concern. It is not racist to talk about it or be worried about it.

The problem with the BNP is that they are a bunch of racists hiding behind these fears and playing on them. If anyone thinks it's about immigration, then they are sadly mistaken. Immigration is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to the BNP. My view is that Wayne Thomas is as British as me, but I bet that's not Nick Griffin's view. They consider anyone not white an inferior person. They wont say so of course, but that's the underlying message.

 

We seem to have a real problem in this country of people coming here from their home country, but being unwilling to adapt and accept our culture. They seem to want to live here but retain the culture and standards, including the language of the country they came from. 20 years ago I worked for 4 years in the States and although, they've a long way to go in terms of racial tolerence, found that most of the immigrants I met (I worked on Building sites and met a lot of immigrant labourers) wanted to be American. They were proud of their roots and their country, but still wanted to aspire to American ideals and freedoms. I just dont get that feeling nowadays in The UK.

 

You only have to look and see how the West Indian immigrants settled into the UK, and through music and Sport and a work ethic, became as British as you and me.I would welcome anyone who wants to be British, wants to live and breath British ideals and contribute to British society, but too many want to transfer their homeland to Britain.

[View From The Top]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8007085.stm

 

That was from 2009.

 

This year, as per every year, the parade is being paid for, organised and supported by the local authority. This year to the tune of £40k.

 

The posters are all over the borough and council staff are organising the events and staff are working on the day unpaid.

 

Still, the BNP site says differently so they must be right.

 

Again, you are shown up to be a clueless bigot.

[bridge too far]

There are many people worried about immigration in this country and it is a legitimate concern. It is not racist to talk about it or be worried about it.

The problem with the BNP is that they are a bunch of racists hiding behind these fears and playing on them. If anyone thinks it's about immigration, then they are sadly mistaken. Immigration is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to the BNP. My view is that Wayne Thomas is as British as me, but I bet that's not Nick Griffin's view. They consider anyone not white an inferior person. They wont say so of course, but that's the underlying message.

 

We seem to have a real problem in this country of people coming here from their home country, but being unwilling to adapt and accept our culture. They seem to want to live here but retain the culture and standards, including the language of the country they came from. 20 years ago I worked for 4 years in the States and although, they've a long way to go in terms of racial tolerence, found that most of the immigrants I met (I worked on Building sites and met a lot of immigrant labourers) wanted to be American. They were proud of their roots and their country, but still wanted to aspire to American ideals and freedoms. I just dont get that feeling nowadays in The UK.

 

You only have to look and see how the West Indian immigrants settled into the UK, and through music and Sport and a work ethic, became as British as you and me.I would welcome anyone who wants to be British, wants to live and breath British ideals and contribute to British society, but too many want to transfer their homeland to Britain.

 

Somebody mentioned expats a wee while ago.

 

I have friends who live on the Costa Brava. They haven't bothered to learn Spanish, they use local companies that are British owned for all their needs - pool cleaning, hairdressing, car servicing etc.

 

The 'community' in which they live even tried to take over one of the Spanish national holiday parades for their own celebrations.

 

Just thought I'd share that with you.