The playoffs aint done yet

[ALWAYS_SFC]

look..the playoffs were dead and buried and we had no chance here..(around the time I and others were laughed at for saying we could do it)

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16297

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16322

 

Only one post from me on them:rolleyes:

[Thedelldays]

Only one post from me on them:rolleyes:

only looked for a few mins...

 

edit..after less than a minute looking for you in a thread...here we go..

 

Originally Posted by Dazza82

Was just interested to see who he thought could do a better job, i think this season has been exactly what i thought it would be the two cup runs have been a bonus, but this season is a gelling season and we were always gunna struggle to get into playoffs after the -10 points

 

Simon Grayson came in at leeds last season and built his team for a big push this season and if the went up last year it would of been a bonus, The same is happening here imo.

 

(you then replied...)

 

 

 

I agree as do many others,its called being realistic..

Edited 3 April, 2010 by Thedelldays

[S-Clarke]

''Solid mid table at Christmas with a bloody good run at the play offs ending in noble failure.

 

Oh yes, we're going to finish ninth.

 

And all the people berating everyone for having "unrealistic expectations" for "expecting" to finish in the top half will be precisely the same people who in April will berate anyone who says we can't make the play offs when we are bumbling around tenth/eleventh.

 

Precisely the same people. Mark my words and it will happen. There is a little switcheroo that happens on the forum that turns the "realists" (we'll be lucky to finish in the bottom four get a reality check etc etc") into the loony optimists ("if we win the next three and so and so loses two in a row we'll be four points off the play offs etc etc") around about the end of March.

 

Trust me, it happens every season.''

 

fair play cb-fry

[St Marco]

look..the playoffs were dead and buried and we had no chance here..(around the time I and others were laughed at for saying we could do it)

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16297

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16322

 

I think your missing the point mate.

 

What people are/were saying is that due to what happened 6 odd months ago this club did not hit this season running. If the season started for us after those first 10 games as others have pointed out we would be in the mix.

I think MLG even produced a table showing where everyone would be.

But the first 10 games did happen and they were ****. 1 win or something. That is bad. No team is going to get promoted after winning just 1 of the first 10 games, especially with a -10 to begin with.

 

For us to be where we are right now is actually very good. People try and deny it by making it sound like we are not doing so well. The stats show on form we are 3rd, the team we drew away with recently that was such a bad result apparently, sit 2nd.

 

From the final whistle on the first game the playoffs were never going to happen. To expect them was crazy in my view.

If we find that poll Arizona made around the 20 game mark most people voted us to be around mid-table. I myself said the same.

 

The only reason we are in with a shout now is due to three crucial things.

 

1. We have strengthened the team over the holidays.

2. Teams above us have started to wobble in form

3. Since the jan window shut we have played 14 games. 8 of those games have been away. Of those games we won 7, drew 5 and lost just 2. On this run we beat three of the top 6 in Norwich,Leeds and Huddersfield.

In that period we generated 1.9 points per game. If we had that ratio for the entire season we would be sitting 3rd on 72 points, 1 point behind 2nd with a game in hand. If you then take away the -10 we would be 3 points away from the playoffs with a game in hand.

 

That shows just how damaging both the points deduction and our start have been.

 

But it also shows how if the season continued by another 10 games we would finish comfortably in the playoff zone at our current points per game ratio.

[Thedelldays]

''Solid mid table at Christmas with a bloody good run at the play offs ending in noble failure.

 

Oh yes, we're going to finish ninth.

 

And all the people berating everyone for having "unrealistic expectations" for "expecting" to finish in the top half will be precisely the same people who in April will berate anyone who says we can't make the play offs when we are bumbling around tenth/eleventh.

 

Precisely the same people. Mark my words and it will happen. There is a little switcheroo that happens on the forum that turns the "realists" (we'll be lucky to finish in the bottom four get a reality check etc etc") into the loony optimists ("if we win the next three and so and so loses two in a row we'll be four points off the play offs etc etc") around about the end of March.

 

Trust me, it happens every season.''

 

fair play cb-fry

 

 

looks like he is bang on the money (which is the norm IMO)

[John B]

I think your missing the point mate.

 

What people are/were saying is that due to what happened 6 odd months ago this club did not hit this season running. If the season started for us after those first 10 games as others have pointed out we would be in the mix.

I think MLG even produced a table showing where everyone would be.

But the first 10 games did happen and they were ****. 1 win or something. That is bad. No team is going to get promoted after winning just 1 of the first 10 games, especially with a -10 to begin with.

 

For us to be where we are right now is actually very good. People try and deny it by making it sound like we are not doing so well. The stats show on form we are 3rd, the team we drew away with recently that was such a bad result apparently, sit 2nd.

 

From the final whistle on the first game the playoffs were never going to happen. To expect them was crazy in my view.

If we find that poll Arizona made around the 20 game mark most people voted us to be around mid-table. I myself said the same.

 

The only reason we are in with a shout now is due to three crucial things.

 

1. We have strengthened the team over the holidays.

2. Teams above us have started to wobble in form

3. Since the jan window shut we have played 14 games. 8 of those games have been away. Of those games we won 7, drew 5 and lost just 2. On this run we beat three of the top 6 in Norwich,Leeds and Huddersfield.

In that period we generated 1.9 points per game. If we had that ratio for the entire season we would be sitting 3rd on 72 points, 1 point behind 2nd with a game in hand. If you then take away the -10 we would be 3 points away from the playoffs with a game in hand.

 

That shows just how damaging both the points deduction and our start have been.

 

But it also shows how if the season continued by another 10 games we would finish comfortably in the playoff zone at our current points per game ratio.

 

So the first ten games did for us is the reason we will not get promoted

Edited 3 April, 2010 by John B

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I think your missing the point mate.

 

What people are/were saying is that due to what happened 6 odd months ago this club did not hit this season running. If the season started for us after those first 10 games as others have pointed out we would be in the mix.

I think MLG even produced a table showing where everyone would be.

But the first 10 games did happen and they were ****. 1 win or something. That is bad. No team is going to get promoted after winning just 1 of the first 10 games, especially with a -10 to begin with.

 

For us to be where we are right now is actually very good. People try and deny it by making it sound like we are not doing so well. The stats show on form we are 3rd, the team we drew away with recently that was such a bad result apparently, sit 2nd.

 

From the final whistle on the first game the playoffs were never going to happen. To expect them was crazy in my view.

If we find that poll Arizona made around the 20 game mark most people voted us to be around mid-table. I myself said the same.

 

The only reason we are in with a shout now is due to three crucial things.

 

1. We have strengthened the team over the holidays.

2. Teams above us have started to wobble in form

3. Since the jan window shut we have played 14 games. 8 of those games have been away. Of those games we won 7, drew 5 and lost just 2. On this run we beat three of the top 6 in Norwich,Leeds and Huddersfield.

In that period we generated 1.9 points per game. If we had that ratio for the entire season we would be sitting 3rd on 72 points, 1 point behind 2nd with a game in hand. If you then take away the -10 we would be 3 points away from the playoffs with a game in hand.

 

That shows just how damaging both the points deduction and our start have been.

 

But it also shows how if the season continued by another 10 games we would finish comfortably in the playoff zone at our current points per game ratio.

 

Great Post St Marco..

 

Now put your tin hat on as the unrealistic "we should win all our games cos we spent lots and pardew`s an idiot" looneys will be all over it .:smt024

[St Marco]

So the first ten games did for us

 

The start of the season in terms of the amount of points we generated was a huge blow. If we had just 2 extra wins we would be looking at a 5 point gap with a game in hand. That would make things look a lot different with 7 games to go.

This team we have now if they played any 10 teams in this league you would bet your house on them winning more then 2 games.

 

We are still in with a chance. But we have to win nearly every game now. It just means we will run out of games if we don't. If we don't make it some will think that means we failed, had a bad season, had a crap manager etc.. when that would be wrong.

[John B]

The start of the season in terms of the amount of points we generated was a huge blow. If we had just 2 extra wins we would be looking at a 5 point gap with a game in hand. That would make things look a lot different with 7 games to go.

This team we have now if they played any 10 teams in this league you would bet your house on them winning more then 2 games.

 

We are still in with a chance. But we have to win nearly every game now. It just means we will run out of games if we don't. If we don't make it some will think that means we failed, had a bad season, had a crap manager etc.. when that would be wrong.

 

Yes I agree I was very upset at the start of the season as things seemed to be going from bad to worse and I thought our results were pretty grim.

 

 

Perhaps I was too impatient then but since October the team has got good results and things are going well although getting to the playoffs seemed unrealistic despite spending on a number of new players.

 

 

If the team plays as it has done since October we should be in a very good position to get promoted next season

[South City Si]

As long as it's mathmatically possible I'm 'keeping the faith', even how unlikey it seems.

[St Landrew]

Of all the clubs who could have made things worse for Saints, this weekend so far, only... wait for it... NONE did.

 

Rovers lost, as did MKDons, and Huddersfield merely replaced Colchester on 65 pts. Plus, Saints have a game in hand, over every team who matter, again. We don't maximise the points, they do us a favour. We've just got to stop slipping the odd points when they hand out the gifts. My guess is that the table is going to look ever so slightly better, after Monday's games. And we'll still have that game in hand.

[Saint_clark]

Of all the clubs who could have made things worse for Saints, this weekend so far, only... wait for it... NONE did.

 

Rovers lost, as did MKDons, and Huddersfield merely replaced Colchester on 65 pts. Plus, Saints have a game in hand, over every team who matter, again. We don't maximise the points, they do us a favour. We've just got to stop slipping the odd points when they hand out the gifts. My guess is that the table is going to look ever so slightly better, after Monday's games. And we'll still have that game in hand.

 

Brighton was our hardest game left. People can go on about Rovers but I don't fear anything from them.

[Pilchards]

Okay reaching the playoffs might be a big ask but if we did manage it then it's Swindon or Millwall that scare me!

[Badger]

Of all the clubs who could have made things worse for Saints, this weekend so far, only... wait for it... NONE did.

 

Rovers lost, as did MKDons, and Huddersfield merely replaced Colchester on 65 pts. Plus, Saints have a game in hand, over every team who matter, again. We don't maximise the points, they do us a favour. We've just got to stop slipping the odd points when they hand out the gifts. My guess is that the table is going to look ever so slightly better, after Monday's games. And we'll still have that game in hand.

 

I have no doubt that other clubs will falter and drop points,but its our inability to pick up the points we should - eg Tranmere,Wycombe etc - and take advantage that will dictate where we finnish.

 

Despite AP's comments regarding "bossing the game" at Brighton,the general concensus on here from those who attended appears to be that we did not play well.

[John B]

I have no doubt that other clubs will falter and drop points,but its our inability to pick up the points we should - eg Tranmere,Wycombe etc - and take advantage that will dictate where we finnish.

 

Despite AP's comments regarding "bossing the game" at Brighton,the general concensus on here from those who attended appears to be that we did not play well.

 

Yes I thought it seemed a strange comment from Pardew

[St Landrew]

I have no doubt that other clubs will falter and drop points,but its our inability to pick up the points we should - eg Tranmere,Wycombe etc - and take advantage that will dictate where we finnish.

 

Despite AP's comments regarding "bossing the game" at Brighton,the general concensus on here from those who attended appears to be that we did not play well.

 

Agreed. As to the performance, I suspect Brighton had something to do with it. I was working late, so I neither watched the game, nor listened in, so I can't comment. All I know is a comment from the highlights summariser on the Beeb website who pointed out that Saints had the majority of the possession in the second half. Perhaps that's where Pardew thought that Saints had bossed the game. Maybe it's more of a disagreement on choice of words, than anything else.

 

Just looked at the fixtures for every relevant team. It's still too close to call, because there are games between teams above Saints that are beneficial whatever the results. My gut feeling is that we'll NOT do it, not by several points, but that doesn't stop me supporting the cause.

[70's Mike]

probably will come up just short but i know it is better than waiting for relegation last season

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Okay reaching the playoffs might be a big ask but if we did manage it then it's Swindon or Millwall that scare me!

 

They're good teams that cab trouble us, no doubt about it. But if we did make it to the playoffs, we would have had to have been on such a good run that we should be the form team going into them.

[Ricky Redstripe]

Is there any possibility that the final game against Southend could be changed, as the Premier League and Championship both play last games of the season on Sundays?

[CB Fry]

Is there any possibility that the final game against Southend could be changed, as the Premier League and Championship both play last games of the season on Sundays?

 

No. League one (and two) will finish on the saturday, the ccc on the sunday. Prem on the sunday the week after.

[John B]

It is up to Huddersfield to fail now still could be very close

[Glasgow_Saint]

We started the season 10 points off the top 6 now 37 games later & BOOoOOM we are 8 points off the top 6. Oh!

 

Why anyone thinks we will now catch up 8 points in 7 games is beyond me.

 

We have not been consistent enough this season. simples

[John B]

We started the season 10 points off the top 6 now 37 games later & BOOoOOM we are 8 points off the top 6. Oh!

 

Why anyone thinks we will now catch up 8 points in 7 games is beyond me.

 

We have not been consistent enough this season. simples

 

But our games are relatively easy

[B Rabbit]

But our games are relatively easy

 

Yes that easy home game against 5th placed Charlton and away trip to playoff chasing Bristol Rovers look like 6 points in the bag to me!

[S-Clarke]

But our games are relatively easy

 

no game will be easy John, you'd have put Leyton Orient as a ''no-sweat, home banker'' - but boy did they make us sweat for that.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Charlton are only 2 points off 2nd place - they have more chance of auto promotion than we have of reaching PO

[Matthew Le God]

Charlton are only 2 points off 2nd place - they have more chance of auto promotion than we have of reaching PO

 

How is that relevant?

[wheels]

We started the season 10 points off the top 6 now 37 games later & BOOoOOM we are 8 points off the top 6. Oh!

 

Why anyone thinks we will now catch up 8 points in 7 games is beyond me.

 

We have not been consistent enough this season. simples

 

 

We started the season on -10pts. Without that penalty, we would now be in 6th place, 2 pts ahead of 7th with a game in hand.

[John B]

Yes that easy home game against 5th placed Charlton and away trip to playoff chasing Bristol Rovers look like 6 points in the bag to me!

 

I said relatively easy but I did not say the play offs were a foregone conclusion

 

Charlton are virtually in the play offs and Bristol Rovers and very unlikely to make them

[S-Clarke]

We started the season on -10pts. Without that penalty, we would now be in 6th place, 2 pts ahead of 7th with a game in hand.

 

and i'd also go as far as saying, without the ''pressure'' attached with that 10pt penalty, we'd have won more games at the start and would be sitting up there with the Millwalls/Swindons.

[Golden Balls]

I think we'll just run out of games. Shame we couldn't get a result at Brighton. We'd be 5 points off with a game in hand.

[Window Cleaner]

I think we'll just run out of games. Shame we couldn't get a result at Brighton. We'd be 5 points off with a game in hand.

 

6 points off.No game in hand

[Katalinic]

I think we have too much to do - I just can't see both Huddersfield and Colchester blowing it - we may pass one of them but we will just miss out.

[dockland Dave]

looking at the fixture guide, i can't see us catching Huddersfield. I can't see how they are going to drop 8 points over 7 games

[Glasgow_Saint]

and i'd also go as far as saying, without the ''pressure'' attached with that 10pt penalty, we'd have won more games at the start and would be sitting up there with the Millwalls/Swindons.

 

So we have failed this season because of -10, no pre season & "pressure"

 

WOW

[S-Clarke]

So we have failed this season because of -10, no pre season & "pressure"

 

WOW

 

if you had any clue what so ever, you'd also be able to see and understand my point.

[sadoldgit]

Isn't it Pardew that keeps spouting off about us reaching the playoffs?

 

I don't know what he has done to upset you mate? As long as it is a mathmatical possibility why shouldn't he talk about it? Actually Cortese has made more of a fuss about the play offs and Pardew the Cups.

[Glasgow_Saint]

if you had any clue what so ever, you'd also be able to see and understand my point.

 

Its just ANOTHER excuse

[saintkiptanui]

Its just ANOTHER excuse

Minus 10 isn't an excuse, it's a fact you c*ckle, with the extra ten we'd be in the play offs.

[dockland Dave]

So we have failed this season because of -10, no pre season & "pressure"

 

WOW

Glasgow Saint, i think you have become the most irratable and obnoxious poster on here, and with the competition on here, thats quite an achievement.

 

Can you please go away and find something else to occupy your time

[Glasgow_Saint]

Glasgow Saint, i think you have become the most irratable and obnoxious poster on here, and with the competition on here, thats quite an achievement.

 

Can you please go away and find something else to occupy your time

 

Thats really mean.

 

Why does everyone hate me on here?

[Under Weststand]

Thats really mean.

 

Why does everyone hate me on here?

I don't hate you GS, But I like most on here just can't understand your constant b*tching & negativity. When we lose you complain why cant we grind out a result. When this week we've done just that twice 2-2 draw with Brighton who had been on a winning run, & who hadn't conceded a goal in 5 games, & then we don't perform well but win today. And yet all you do is carp on & on, we know it wasn't pretty today but still it was 3-points. You always seem to find negatives even out of positives. We wont win all our games with flair & wonderful football every week, & you dismiss in a sarcastic way the -10 points & the lack of pre-season that led to the poor first 10 games as a mere excuse, & wonder why people have a go at you.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Glasgow Saint, i think you have become[b/] the most irratable and obnoxious poster on here, and with the competition on here, thats quite an achievement.

 

Can you please go away and find something else to occupy your time

 

Become! Now that's a laugh. He's always been a joke. Doesn't go to games and just sits at home *****ing about us. He's a fan, not a supporter.

[NickG]

6 games left for most teams.

 

if teams repeat their form from last 6 over next 6 the table will look like this:

 

Norwich 98

Swindon 92

Millwall 91

Charlton 85

Leeds 80

Huddersfield 72 (1 game left)

B Rovers 71

Saints 70 (1 game left)

Colchester 67

MK Dons 62

 

so us 2 points behind Huddersfield - with us both having one more game, all other teams finished.

Edited 6 April, 2010 by NickG

[stmusicdude]

We started the season 10 points off the top 6 now 37 games later & BOOoOOM we are 8 points off the top 6. Oh!

 

Why anyone thinks we will now catch up 8 points in 7 games is beyond me.

 

We have not been consistent enough this season. simples

 

Agreed, WE haven't .. but YOU have been. moan,nag,moan,nag,moan,nag .. ON & ON like a scotch video tape..

 

In fact it's not supprising people are starting to question who you support as you seem happier when lose, when you have something to whinge about!

 

we started the season -10 & didnt hit the ground running .. We have improved loads since first 11 or 12 games or so ..

[bender]

Lets see what happens tomorrow night. If Oldham can somehow get a draw then its 9 points off with a game in hand which is potentially 6 points off with 6 games left.

[CitySaint]

 

SPRANG TO MIND !!! Them tune for the rest of the season !!!!

[KK the 2nd]

I know it looks unlikely but 25/1 on offer to be promoted looks a big price to me. If we get to 6th then I reckon we would be short to win promotion, 2/1 or less?

Edited 6 April, 2010 by KK the 2nd

[OfnPanad]

Just did the predictor thing for the first time this season...I have us in 7th with 'honest' results, 3 points behind Huddersfield. We just can't catch them unless they lose motivation for some reason and slip up against a "weaker" team.

 

That said - it's not impossible - look at Cardiff last season...just let it slip away with a whimper on the last day against a Wednesday team playing for "nothing".

 

Also I lost out on a 15 accumulator (would have returned £900 from a £3 bet) when Huddersfield lost to Gillingham a few weeks back, so it CAN happen.

[carljack]

I know it looks unlikely but 25/1 on offer to be promoted looks a big price to me. If we get to 6th then I reckon we would be short to win promotion, 2/1 or less?

 

10/1 is the last price traded on betfair (10am 6th April) I agree about 2/1 being the odds should we make playoffs so you are getting 5/2 we make 6th place,bit short I reckon but other punters have taken bigger prices.