hasper57saint Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Here I sit, reading some absolutely unrivetting tripe. Outside it's wet, it's cold and miserable;it's supposed to be summer. I'd like to cheer you all up. WE DIDN'T LOSE LAST NIGHT! Why all the negativity? Some of us had hopes of a win but, after Sunday, Brighton just had to be an anti-climax.Get with it people. AP is doing a reasonable job so get out there on Monday and give him the support he deserves! PS When was the last time you looked at a Table and saw 29 + goal difference? Dosen't this just warm the ****les of your heart? I'll get me coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 AP is doing a reasonable job. But a reasonable job isn't good enough. He makes far too many tactical mistakes and last night was a shambles. It was clear his negative approach wasn't working at half time but we'd got out of jail and gone in 1-1. But he didn't have the guts to admit he'd got it wrong so changed nothing until it was too late. By all accounts we were the beter side for the last 5 minutes. If he'd played the correct team all match we would have won last night imo - his error of judgement cost us the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 But a reasonable job isn't good enough. He makes far too many tactical mistakes and last night was a shambles. It was clear his negative approach wasn't working at half time but we'd got out of jail and gone in 1-1. But he didn't have the guts to admit he'd got it wrong so changed nothing until it was too late. By all accounts we were the beter side for the last 5 minutes. If he'd played the correct team all match we would have won last night imo - his error of judgement cost us the win. What was the correct team? What would the score have been if we had played it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 What was the correct team? What would the score have been if we had played it? Lambert up front on his own FFS. Do i really need to say any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Lambert up front on his own FFS. Do i really need to say any more? So he was against MK Dons in the JPT when we won relatively easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 well if we finish within 10 of the playoffs then thats a good season for me, any manager needs to build a team , look at the line ups in the programme just this season then look at last seasons team , don't think any manager or club can take such sweeping changes on the pitch and behind the scenes and expect to win every game grow up people , best season for being a Saints fan in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 So he was against MK Dons in the JPT when we won relatively easily You don't play one up front with the strikers we've got sitting on the bench. Pardew is a ****ing clown to do that and last night it was crystal clear he got it wrong. But instead of changing it he was too stubborn to admit he got it wrong and change it until it was too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Lambert up front on his own FFS. Do i really need to say any more? Yes. Hindisight is a wonderful thing and who is say that if we had played 4 4 2 we wouldn't have lost the game? The fact that we made some late changes and put pressure on them late on doesn't meant that this would have happened from the start. It always happens when a team is defending a 1 goal lead. They get nervous and cautious allowing us the build presuure but they wouldn't have had that mentality from kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Yes. Hindisight is a wonderful thing and who is say that if we had played 4 4 2 we wouldn't have lost the game? The fact that we made some late changes and put pressure on them late on doesn't meant that this would have happened from the start. It always happens when a team is defending a 1 goal lead. They get nervous and cautious allowing us the build presuure but they wouldn't have had that mentality from kick off. Us going to Brighton was like Man Utd coming to Southampton a few years back. We went to Brighton with one up front, would Fergie have done that with a Man U side playing at Southampton? Clearly he wouldn't have so on that basis Pardew got it wrong and he almost got the result he deserved - namely a defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockland Dave Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Same old inane comments about next season from same old inane people. I'll ask again, for about the 50th time : What is going to change about our ability to grind out results in mid-week, mid-winter L1 sh*tholes between this season and next ?? Tonight 2 points were lost down to poor tactical choices and an injury to our only creative midfielder. How are these things not going to happen next season ? Still waiting for an answer... Alpine, please go and support Man United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Us going to Brighton was like Man Utd coming to Southampton a few years back. We went to Brighton with one up front, would Fergie have done that with a Man U side playing at Southampton? Clearly he wouldn't have so on that basis Pardew got it wrong and he almost got the result he deserved - namely a defeat. I think comparing what we did last night to what Utd did a few years ago as a comparison as to why you feel AP got it wrong is a bit strange. In any case I can see your point as we need to be as positive as we can be if we are really serious about the play-off's. Whatever formation we went with, last night was always going to be a difficult game. Brighton would have relished the prospect of doing the double over us and to bring us back down with a bump after Sunday. Would you have been happier if we played 442 and still drew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Alpine, please go and support Man United He can't, they lost to Bayern on Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Would you have been happier if we played 442 and still drew? I'd have been happier, but at the end of the day a draw isn't a good enough result. It's a failure for a team with quality players like we have got. We have better players than Brighton so we should beat them. Simples, but a concept some on here will never get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 IMO excellent managers don't reach a sell by date. They either leave a hero on their own terms (Curbs) or they jump ship when a better option becomes availible No one knows what impact he would have here and I just wonder on what merits people think he is "excellent" and a better alternative to AP? I don't think anyone, least of all me, that he's a better alternative to AP but it's disingenuous to suggest that he's not an excellent manager in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I'd have been happier, but at the end of the day a draw isn't a good enough result. It's a failure for a team with quality players like we have got. We have better players than Brighton so we should beat them. Simples, but a concept some on here will never get. Not exactly "simples". Football would be ****ing boring if this was actually true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 (edited) Our form since the first 10 games of the season has been automatic promotion form. Well that would depend on extracting a 10 match dodgy patch from everybody else's results as well. Our true form over the whole season puts us in 7th place because you can't just arbitrarily cast aside matches or groups of matches from one team without doing the same for others. Leeds have had a rough patch, so cast aside their last 10 matches and see if we're on "automatic promotion" form or not then. Millwall for instance got only 11 points from their first 10 games, since then they've got 60 from 28, so their form is better than ours so is Norwich's, so no auto promotion really. Edited 2 April, 2010 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I think what sums up the feeling is that Pardew isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a good job. He's merely bumping along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 (edited) I think what sums up the feeling is that Pardew isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a good job. He's merely bumping along. He has to get it right nexst season. We have to be top 2 by Xmas. There are no excuses from August. Edited 2 April, 2010 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 He has to get in right nexst season. We have to be top 2 by Xmas. There are no excuses from August. Don't think many would argue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I think what sums up the feeling is that Pardew isn't doing a bad job, but he isn't doing a good job. He's merely bumping along. Although I see from his latest piece on the OS that he feels we can still afford maybe one more slip up (suppose he means a draw by that) If he really thinks that 76 points will secure us a play-off place this season then I wouldn't mind some of those happy pills, especially as I have to work all week-end and Monday as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 He has to get it right nexst season. We have to be top 2 by Xmas. There are no excuses from August. Nope it's this summer or next summer, don't like chopping and changing managers mid season. If he starts he should finish come what may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Nope it's this summer or next summer, don't like chopping and changing managers mid season. If he starts he should finish come what may. I don't advocate getting rid next season but I can envisage that the chop could happen ahead of the Jan' window IF we are not there or there abouts come Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I don't advocate getting rid next season but I can envisage that the chop could happen ahead of the Jan' window IF we are not there or there abouts come Xmas. I reckon it'll be sooner than that. In fact i'll be very surprised if NC hasn't got a replacement waiting for the close season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I reckon it'll be sooner than that. In fact i'll be very surprised if NC hasn't got a replacement waiting for the close season. Pardew will be our manager next season, I've no doubts about that. If we start choping and changing managers we will be in L1 for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I don't advocate getting rid next season but I can envisage that the chop could happen ahead of the Jan' window IF we are not there or there abouts come Xmas. I can envisage a change this summer, whether it will happen or not I've no idea. I just don't think NC is the type of guy who'll take a shot on another below par season but then again maybe he's not the only one who decides. What I would like to see is AP continuing as manager for the whole of next season but with some far more astute and adventurous coaches at his side because to me Dean Wilkins and Wally Downes just aren't what we need, too staid, too old school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 As some people are so delusional to even suggest Martin O'Neil would leave Villa to come to Saints I guess I shouldn't be shocked to discover that we have so many idiots wanting AP replaced now. He has to produce the goods next season, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie@home Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Hearing the reception AP got on Sunday when he lifted the cup, it appears the disgruntled, unhappy supporters are very much in the minority. Talking to the crowd around me in the Kingsland, with hundreds of years supporting between them, they have enjoyed this season more than they have for years. We've hardly seem them lose and have scored lots of great goals. Most people are excited about next season and anticipating it being even better. The people who seem to get the most depressed are those who aren't at the matches. AP has got teams out of this league before. He's had plenty of relevant experience so should be given next season at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Hearing the reception AP got on Sunday when he lifted the cup, it appears the disgruntled, unhappy supporters are very much in the minority. Talking to the crowd around me in the Kingsland, with hundreds of years supporting between them, they have enjoyed this season more than they have for years. We've hardly seem them lose and have scored lots of great goals. Most people are excited about next season and anticipating it being even better. The people who seem to get the most depressed are those who aren't at the matches. AP has got teams out of this league before. He's had plenty of relevant experience so should be given next season at the least. That's a far too sensible post for some miserable, whinging gits on here Jackie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 That's a far too sensible post for some miserable, whinging gits on here Jackie... +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Pardew will be our manager next season, I've no doubts about that. If we start choping and changing managers we will be in L1 for many years to come. And we shall deserve to be there. Have we learnt nothing from all the chopping and changing over the last decade or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I can envisage a change this summer, whether it will happen or not I've no idea. I just don't think NC is the type of guy who'll take a shot on another below par season but then again maybe he's not the only one who decides. I don't think that you can consider this a below-par season. If next season were to be the same then I would agree with you, but the current team bears no relation to the team that started in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Hearing the reception AP got on Sunday when he lifted the cup, it appears the disgruntled, unhappy supporters are very much in the minority. Talking to the crowd around me in the Kingsland, with hundreds of years supporting between them, they have enjoyed this season more than they have for years. We've hardly seem them lose and have scored lots of great goals. Most people are excited about next season and anticipating it being even better. The people who seem to get the most depressed are those who aren't at the matches. AP has got teams out of this league before. He's had plenty of relevant experience so should be given next season at the least. OWTSGMI........Slowly please. I am ever so excited when it comes to Saints..... COYRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I don't think that you can consider this a below-par season. If next season were to be the same then I would agree with you, but the current team bears no relation to the team that started in August. Oh I think that NC will consider this as a below par season, have little doubt about it.What he does about it is what matters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Oh I think that NC will consider this as a below par season, have little doubt about it.What he does about it is what matters though. That may be true, but if he gets rid of AP because of it then I have serious doubts as to whether he is the correct man to be chairman of a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 And we shall deserve to be there. Have we learnt nothing from all the chopping and changing over the last decade or so? It would appear not, although as the mongs have the memories of goldfish I shouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I can envisage a change this summer, whether it will happen or not I've no idea. I just don't think NC is the type of guy who'll take a shot on another below par season but then again maybe he's not the only one who decides. What I would like to see is AP continuing as manager for the whole of next season but with some far more astute and adventurous coaches at his side because to me Dean Wilkins and Wally Downes just aren't what we need, too staid, too old school. As I said the other day. Glenn Hoddle would be a good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 As I said the other day. Glenn Hoddle would be a good choice. No, he wouldn't which is why he's not in management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 As I said the other day. Glenn Hoddle would be a good choice. The other day? I must have missed it. This is a change of tune from you, isn't it Dalek? I don't seem to recall you championing Glen Hoddle before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 The other day? I must have missed it. This is a change of tune from you, isn't it Dalek? I don't seem to recall you championing Glen Hoddle before. that Dalek is always changing his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 You would be hard pushedm to find a better coach or tactician. Could work well with AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 (edited) You would be hard pushedm to find a better coach or tactician. Could work well with AP His coaching and tactical skills have been in great demand by top flight clubs and associations across the globe. He's on a par with Derry in that respect. Oh. Edited 3 April, 2010 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 As I said the other day. Glenn Hoddle would be a good choice. Ok thicko, please explain why your messiah is not in and can't hack it in the real world of football management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 I believe Hoddle is still touring the country in an attempt to close down all mobility shops and pushing wheel chairs and their users over cliff tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 I shudder to think who we would end up with if god forbid Pardew ever left. First season after a major overhaul, lost some of our better players, a small time with the team before the season started, unable to get a proper squad together untill well into the season, -10, complete restructuring of the club, but still won a cup and in the top half of the league with a small outside chance of still getting into the playoffs................................what the feck are some of you thinking of calling for his AP's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 I shudder to think who we would end up with if god forbid Pardew ever left. . money talks..and we have lots of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 money talks..and we have lots of it Indeed. If push-comes-to-shove, because of the presence of ML and NC, I would have no fears about who would come in, because they would be quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 (edited) money talks..and we have lots of it Some deluded fools actually believe Martin O'Neil would leave Villa for SFC. Money may talk, but not that loudly. Edited 3 April, 2010 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 So deluded fools actually believe Martin O'Neil would leave Villa for SFC. Money may talk, but not that loudly. that is daft as you can get but the fact we got pardew whilst with a mish mash team, bottom of league 1 on -10 tells me he is the standard we could attract SHOULD it not work out with him here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 that is daft as you can get but the fact we got pardew whilst with a mish mash team, bottom of league 1 on -10 tells me he is the standard we could attract SHOULD it not work out with him here But in your answer you actually highlight why Pardew has done a good job and should not go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 But in your answer you actually highlight why Pardew has done a good job and should not go how does it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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