saint_stevo Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 But 6 out of 6 against MK Dons is twisted logic at its finest......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 If we were to have any chance of playoffs then we had to win all our games - draws or defeats were utterly meaningless to us - it really was a s**t or bust situation. Therefore why play 4-5-1 and have one of the divisions top goalscorers on the bench? I'd rather we went out all guns blazing and lost than playing defensively and scraping a draw. AP is more concerned about not losing than winning and it's that mentality that's sunk any promotion aspirations that we harboured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 twisted logic at its finest......... It is always possible to put forward results which meet a negative viewpoint. Overall the season has been good and without the 10 point deduction we could be be looking forward to the playoffs orpossibly automatic promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 It is always possible to put forward results which meet a negative viewpoint. Overall the season has been good and without the 10 point deduction we could be be looking forward to the playoffs orpossibly automatic promotion Too many away draws, especially when we had taken the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethallee Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Let's not forget we played 4-5-1 at Wembley so those who think that's negative think again. With Antonio and Lallana in the side we have players who can join the loan striker when attacking. If we had 5 Dean Hammonds in midfield then I would agree. We have played 4-4-2 away and remember Tranmere. So I don't buy that. I still look at the other fixtures and there are some tough games for those above us. If we win our next 2 home games then I think the Playoffs are back on. Simples!! I agree that the players and management have to talk up the Playoffs otherwise we might just as well pack up for the season. We actually played more of a 4-4-2 for majority of game at Wembley but with Lallana, Antonio and Papa switching positions. We went rigid 4-5-1 when Gillet came on and struggled to get posession of the ball and invited pressure. AP finally realised this and brought on DC which then gave us an outlet upfront. 4-5-1 is a negative formation unless you complicate your tactics to get success from this formation. Football is a simple game especially outside the premiership so you do not need to complicate tactics. With the players at our deposal we should be able to play 4-4-2 in every game and win most of them. We do struggle without Morgan and Wotton is pretty awful. I think James or Gillet would be better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Too many away draws, especially when we had taken the lead. Like last night;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 If we were to have any chance of playoffs then we had to win all our games - draws or defeats were utterly meaningless to us - it really was a s**t or bust situation. Therefore why play 4-5-1 and have one of the divisions top goalscorers on the bench? I'd rather we went out all guns blazing and lost than playing defensively and scraping a draw. AP is more concerned about not losing than winning and it's that mentality that's sunk any promotion aspirations that we harboured. We didn't play denfensivley we had more shots on goal than Brighton FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Too many away draws, especially when we had taken the lead. No to many draws at home. Win your home games draw/win your away games = 2 pts per game more than good enough. However we drew to many games early in the season at home (plus losing three yes three whole games at home this season) means we're of the pace. Any other season last night would be a good result but in a season where we gave everyone a 10pt head start it won't be good enough to get to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 (edited) So are you saying Pardew is incapable of getting us promotion even though the number of points we may obtain without the ten point deduction would have got us promoted in most of the last few years 2008 82 2007 85 2006 79 2005 86 2004 83 2003 86 2002 84 2001 91 2000 88 Unable to find last years table If we ignore the first ten games (ie August & Sept) we have played 28 games for 55 points. Times that up for 46 games and you get 90 points - more than enough to get us up. Minus 10 and a crap start are what have done for us. We are never going to win every game, but overall we have achieved what is required for promotion over the last six months, as well as two major cup runs. So, all you whingers, get over it. This year was always a long shot, next year I am so confident I might even put a bet on it Edited 2 April, 2010 by sidthesquid missed a d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Although we never lost it feels like a defeat.. Only because of the real need to get wins NOW. Draws at this stage of the season are not really much good to us on any other given set of circumstances, a draw away to an form team would be pretty good. On its own, it is..but in the bigger picture, we needed to win stuttering league form again over the last few weeks is not really on at this stage of the season. and still hearing about "conditions of the pitch" does not wash anymore really... I hope that we remain undefeated till the end of the season. More stuttering form like the last few weeks will seem to be a backwards step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 If we were to have any chance of playoffs then we had to win all our games - draws or defeats were utterly meaningless to us - it really was a s**t or bust situation. Therefore why play 4-5-1 and have one of the divisions top goalscorers on the bench? I'd rather we went out all guns blazing and lost than playing defensively and scraping a draw. AP is more concerned about not losing than winning and it's that mentality that's sunk any promotion aspirations that we harboured. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Obviously, this means we have to win EVERY game left, I personally thought the away trip to Brighton would be the most difficult. Is it do able? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Although we never lost it feels like a defeat.. Only because of the real need to get wins NOW. Draws at this stage of the season are not really much good to us on any other given set of circumstances, a draw away to an form team would be pretty good. On its own, it is..but in the bigger picture, we needed to win stuttering league form again over the last few weeks is not really on at this stage of the season. and still hearing about "conditions of the pitch" does not wash anymore really... I hope that we remain undefeated till the end of the season. More stuttering form like the last few weeks will seem to be a backwards step. If you expected the play offs I agree with you post but as I did not it was a reasonable result as Brighton are one of the League 1 form teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 If you expected the play offs I agree with you post but as I did not it was a reasonable result as Brighton are one of the League 1 form teams. Yes..I did expect/hope for the playoffs.. I would like to think we will finish within 10 poits of the playoffs...not doing so will be poor IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 We didn't play denfensivley we had more shots on goal than Brighton FFS That's because Brighton played a defensive formation too. Personally I do not consider playing one striker up front to be a mainly attacking formation. Do you? It isn't as if Barnard was injured, or even that Papa wasn't available to play up front with Lambert either. The main criticism that is held by many, is that the substitutions that tipped the balance in our favour were made much too late in the game. Do you disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Yes..I did expect/hope for the playoffs.. I would like to think we will finish within 10 poits of the playoffs...not doing so will be poor IMO I think we wil get between 72 and 75 points which would have got us into the playoffs in some seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 That's because Brighton played a defensive formation too. Personally I do not consider playing one striker up front to be a mainly attacking formation. Do you? It isn't as if Barnard was injured, or even that Papa wasn't available to play up front with Lambert either. The main criticism that is held by many, is that the substitutions that tipped the balance in our favour were made much too late in the game. Do you disagree? I don't disagree about the subs I've stated on other threads AP should have changed thing earlier. The 4-5-1 isn't defensive if the players in the middle get forward to support Lambert the fact is we had more chances to score than Brighton and they scored on the break as we pushed people forward trying to score. So suggesting AP went to shut up shop and hope for a draw by playing defensivley is wrong IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 I guess people are crawling up the walls after last night. Not the best result we could have dreamed for, especially those of us still clamouring for the playoffs (which TBH were probably a little out of reach). Well done to the lads for making a come back.....twice...... though we should never have been in that position. We need to improve for next season, and IMO Wotton needs to go, he is such a negative addition to our first 11 that actually drags the forward momentum down. Mr Pardew, lets start preparing for next year and get the consitency we need for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countysaint Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 (edited) By the way, I would say that the Brighton crowd contains some of the most foul-mouthed ignorant individuals that I have ever been unfortunate enough to sit near at a football match. To see grown men losing all self-control and having temper tantrums that made them appear more like teenage thugs than adults, was truly sickening. Proff I was also in the south stand and agree with you. How bad is it sitting in with the home fans at a match? That is only the second time that I have done it, the other a few years back on boxing day at Chelsea where luckily it was only 0-0 so didn't have to pretend to be extatic when Chelsea scored or dissapointed when Saints did. Last night I had my 10 year old son with me and when we scored it was a worry whether he would give us away or not by jumping up.I am pleased to say he kept our cover and just gave me a knowing wry smile! Although I would follow Saints anywhere anyhow I am begining to think that it is not worth it to sit in a s h i t hole of a ground and try to enjoy it like last night. The truth is you cant be the same fan as you are under normal circumstances. Glad to know we weren't the only undercover agents in enemy territory last night though. C O Y R!! Edited 2 April, 2010 by countysaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 So how come Brighton did not win 2 2 was a good result Sorry John, the reason Brighton did not win was because the substitutes and the enforced switch to 4-4-2 rescued a late goal. The real question is why did Saints not win, and thats down to team selection and formation. If 4-4-2 had been used earlier, or better still from the outset, Saints could have won because they had control for more of the game but were a striker short in attack. Sitting where I was in the south stand it looked very clear. I'm worried about Pardew's response on the OS because he makes the point that Connolly wasn't available for personal reasons, as if he would have played two strikers if Connolly had been there - but he left Barnard out, who then made his point by scoring within 15 minutes of being on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 It was obvious since the Exeter game that we wouldn't reach the play-offs, teams will always get results like last night and Tranmere etc. Was the run of away draws which cost us imo, we seemed to lose some belief and confidence after the last minute equaliser. The question we should be asking is why did our away form got to pot after the Walsall game? we had gone somethine like 10 away games unbeaten and looked like we could beat anyone. Was losing Connolly to injury part of the reason? Something certainly happened and we've looked poor in comparison away from home since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Proff I was also in the south stand and agree with you. How bad is it sitting in with the home fans at a match? That is only the second time that I have done it, the other a few years back on boxing day at Chelsea where luckily it was only 0-0 so didn't have to pretend to be extatic when Chelsea scored or dissapointed when Saints did. Last night I had my 10 year old son with me and when we scored it was a worry whether he would give us away or not by jumping up.I am pleased to say he kept our cover and just gave me a knowing wry smile! Although I would follow Saints anywhere anyhow I am begining to think that it is not worth it to sit in a s h i t hole of a ground and try to enjoy it like last night. The truth is you cant be the same fan as you are under normal circumstances. Glad to know we weren't the only undercover agents in enemy territory last night though. C O Y R!! Thanks County Saint - its good to know I wasn't alone. But I have been in the home section of 5 or 6 other grounds and have never seen it as bad as last night. Usually its fewer people behaving badly and mostly under 20s. I've also taken away fans with me to SMS and to The Dell and never felt they have been subjected to the degree of foul language that we had at Brighton. Actually the last time I went to Brighton to watch Saints, 2 or 3 years ago, it wasn't anything like as bad as last night, but my Brighton supporting pal, said there were people there at the evening game who he doesn't normally see on a Saturday. They embarrassed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Lack of a manager that can change things early enough when necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Lack of a manager that can change things early enough when necessary. I don't think it's that, whilst at times he is too cautions with his substitutions he gets as many right as he does wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Alpine I am truly fascinated by some of your responses. Are you now suggesting we sack Pardew??? Because thats the message I am getting from most of your posts. You have always been on the back of every Saints manager at the slightest drop of form. God help Saints if you, or somebody like you, were chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Lack of a manager that can change things early enough when necessary. lol... Yet earlier in the season when he did change things resulting in wins does not count......thought not:confused: All about a anti Pardew agenda...isn`t it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Tonights results (Friday) certainly put some perspective on some of the angst on here. Norwich beaten by Tranmere, and significantly, Colchester beaten by Exeter. Brighton at home was a shocker but Brighton away starts to look like a point gained after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Tonights results (Friday) certainly put some perspective on some of the angst on here. Norwich beaten by Tranmere, and significantly, Colchester beaten by Exeter. Brighton at home was a shocker but Brighton away starts to look like a point gained after all. Just shows it's never over until it's finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Sorry John, the reason Brighton did not win was because the substitutes and the enforced switch to 4-4-2 rescued a late goal. The real question is why did Saints not win, and thats down to team selection and formation. If 4-4-2 had been used earlier, or better still from the outset, Saints could have won because they had control for more of the game but were a striker short in attack. Sitting where I was in the south stand it looked very clear. I'm worried about Pardew's response on the OS because he makes the point that Connolly wasn't available for personal reasons, as if he would have played two strikers if Connolly had been there - but he left Barnard out, who then made his point by scoring within 15 minutes of being on the field. Agree......AP was totally illogical in that statement. Too many excuses all the time for me. We have struggled against teamd with handfull of support and resource all year because tactically AP can't cut it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 April, 2010 Share Posted 2 April, 2010 Alpines points stats are wrong. The last few seasons, to get in the playoffs, you have needed between 70 and 76 points. http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalLeagueTable/0,,10794~200825,00.html We are going to reach that. Therefore, it is an actual fact that this league is harder than it has been for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Been looking at the upcoming fixtures for all relevant teams [no, NOT doing the Predictor]. With the likes of Norwich going down to Tranmere, Millwall drawing with Brentford, Exeter beating Colchester, yesterday evening [Friday] and immediate upcoming matches between MKDons V Charlton, Wycombe V Huddersfield [today], and Colchester V Millwall and Bristol Rovers V MKDons on Monday... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/fixtures/default.stm this one's not dead yet, by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Dons are playing on the saturday and then the monday? Harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Dons are playing on the saturday and then the monday? Harsh. I agree, but it's been done before, plenty of times. Looking at the fixtures, most of them are playing today and Monday, excluding Saints and the teams who played yesterday. Huddersfield and Oldham are playing Tuesday. I detect a pivotal point in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Alpines points stats are wrong. The last few seasons, to get in the playoffs, you have needed between 70 and 76 points. http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalLeagueTable/0,,10794~200825,00.html We are going to reach that. Therefore, it is an actual fact that this league is harder than it has been for years. I totally agree and in some years the points total we will probably get without the deduction would be enough for Automatic Promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Alpines points stats are wrong. The last few seasons, to get in the playoffs, you have needed between 70 and 76 points. http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalLeagueTable/0,,10794~200825,00.html We are going to reach that. Therefore, it is an actual fact that this league is harder than it has been for years. Look, ultimately the only thing we can do is care about our own performance - win our games, and see if the other results allow the playoffs to be reached. In my opinion we FAILED to do that on Thursday night. Friday results have probably given us another chance, but how many are we going to squander ? It could be the last second chance we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Look, ultimately the only thing we can do is care about our own performance - win our games, and see if the other results allow the playoffs to be reached. In my opinion we FAILED to do that on Thursday night. Friday results have probably given us another chance, but how many are we going to squander ? It could be the last second chance we get. Who would you have as manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Who would you have as manager? Alan Pardew (for the moment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Dons are playing on the saturday and then the monday? Harsh. do you not remember the old easter trilogies ? Three games in 4 days..Friday,Saturday, Monday sorted the men from the boys and often decided promotion and relegation issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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