dune Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 Let's also not mention Saints Aid... how much money was raised? Why the fook was that not published as well? Silverspoons Saints Aid Saints Trust One and all the same, none of them transparant and for some reason, you can't find out for love nor money the accounts and what when in/out of them! Can someone clear this Saints Trust/Saints Aid link up for me please. Was it the same people involved with both? I thought it was different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 April, 2010 Share Posted 3 April, 2010 I stand corrected re Saints Aid, here's the motley crew (a few past and present tsw posters mixed in). SAINTS AID ORGANISERS ARE Lee Marchant Nick Illingsworth Daren Wheeler Simon Richards Glynn Root David Reid David Extance Colin Holton Louise Park Dean Rider http://webdesign.utmost-affinitygroup.co.uk/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2010 With the support and assistance of the Saints Trust who are underwriting some of the necessary costs involved, which without, this event would not be possible. All revenue generated will go directly to Southampton Football Club, to help stave of liquidation, for a few more weeks. Should the club be bought or it's circumstances change before the night of the concert, it is our intention to use all proceeds raised to purchase season tickets and distribute them to schools, hospitals and childrens charities within the area. So.... Surely The Saints Trust etc would have declared how much was raised? And because the underwrit the costs, no doubt these will all be in the accounts? Whether or not a loss was made ( which I have heard that was the case ) then surely they owe it to the people that dipped their hands in the pocket to state this? Oh no... they don't because they are above the law and play different rules. But hey at least they are doing something eh? blah blah blah b*llocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkhamsted Saint Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 I think the Saints Trust is just a vehicle for certain individuals to try and build their own profile. Some like Steve Grant are genuine fans other peoples motives are highly questionable. The Trust tried to persuade regional supporters groups to be represented by them. Presumably to make them the only voice of the fans. Unsurprisingly most groups said no. Saints Trust were associated with Saints Aid. No one has ever accounted for what happened to the money. At best in ended up in pockets of Barclays and Aviva it didnt really save the club. The sale of Surman, Dyer, McGoldrick and Marcus saved the club. Unfortunately poor fans gave their hard earned cash away in the mistaken hope they were doing some good. Then we had Silverspoons a complete rip off of extorting money out of genuine Saints fans. Then there is COYR a business selling merchandise in competition to the club. I think it would be best for all if the discredited Saints Trust closed down. The Daily Echo should stop going to NI of the Saints Trust and also to SISA for quotes as they do not represent genuine fans. They only seem to represent themselves and their own pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 http://www.coyr.co.uk/ I love how they advertise the ugly inside as the number 1 saints forum, it really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 I don't know much about charities but surely by law Saints Aid has to publish where the money went, what was made ect? I heard that some local businesses were still owed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 4 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 4 April, 2010 (edited) I don't know much about charities but surely by law Saints Aid has to publish where the money went, what was made ect? I heard that some local businesses were still owed money. You would think that there would have been a moral obligation to publish where the money went. No... same old f*cking corrupt bullsh!t from the same old corrupt people that think people who have donated money ( including myself ) don't have the right to know what happened to their money that they donated. I don't know whether there is a law against not publishing the final figures... but I do know that if ever there was a reason to despise the Saints Trust... you have one right there. Edited 4 April, 2010 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 You would think that there would have been a moral obligation to publish where the money went. No... same old f*cking corrupt bullsh!t from the same old corrupt people that think people who have donated money ( including myself ) don't have the right to know what happened to their money that they donated. I don't know whether there is a law against not publishing the final figures... but I do know that if ever there was a reason to despise the Saints Trust... you have one right there. dont worry stuey, we will have the accounts in a couple of weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 The Trust tried to persuade regional supporters groups to be represented by them. Presumably to make them the only voice of the fans. Unsurprisingly most groups said no. Along those lines, the amalgamation of SAS with SISA, which was to create TSA, was supposed to be the end of SAS and SISA completely to form one united group. The former group dissolved as per the arrangement, the latter once again rose from the ashes, with the TSA arrangement leaving all the good work SAS did tainted by the decision to join forces. SAS might have only been in existence for a season, but it did more for the fans in that one year than any other group that followed it ever has. In hindsight, I wish we'd kept Saints Away Supporters as it was. There was no political agenda, we were just giving out info, helping fans get to games, and occasionally being able to treat those less fortunate than ourselves. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkhamsted Saint Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 In hindsight, I wish we'd kept Saints Away Supporters as it was. There was no political agenda, we were just giving out info, helping fans get to games, and occasionally being able to treat those less fortunate than ourselves. Oh well. This was the main reason why the regional supporters groups kept away from SISA and the Saints Trust. We are not political we just support Saints and help fans in our area. We did not want to be associated with people who had clear political agendas and who wanted to represent us. Their views may or may not have been representative of our own but we always felt quite capable of representing ourselves and didnt need SISA or the Trust to do it for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 I think a lot of blame for the Saints Trust debacle must be directed at Mike Wilde. It was him that massaged the egos of the usual faces and pushed for all this "fan ownership" ********. The uber fans were taken in hook line and sinker and were so consumed with their new found self importance that they were blinded to the truth of the situation (or chose to to ignore it) that were merely being pacified by a man who held a tenuous grip to power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 I'd be very careful what you're alleging there if I were you. You and I both know how much Nick wanted that weekend in Barcelona... :badgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tango Man Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 The Saints Trust did nothing to help our local supporters group, and at the time the club were not interested in even replying to our requests for help, some bloke who was supposed to support the supporters group was a flamin choccie teapot, and never once responded to us We slid into oblvion when Saints were relegated and now we are a defunct supporters group !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 4 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 4 April, 2010 The Saints Trust did nothing to help our local supporters group, and at the time the club were not interested in even replying to our requests for help, some bloke who was supposed to support the supporters group was a flamin choccie teapot, and never once responded to us We slid into oblvion when Saints were relegated and now we are a defunct supporters group !!! I approached TSA ( same lot as Saints Trust ) when I thought it would be an idea to do a presentation for Jason Dodd... just to see if they were interested in helping out... I stated I didn't want it being done in any supporters group name or want any publicity for anyone for it... I wanted it to be a gesture from the 'fans' suddenly they didn't seem interested. That's where my opinion of the ego's of some started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted 4 April, 2010 Share Posted 4 April, 2010 I approached TSA ( same lot as Saints Trust ) when I thought it would be an idea to do a presentation for Jason Dodd... just to see if they were interested in helping out... I stated I didn't want it being done in any supporters group name or want any publicity for anyone for it... I wanted it to be a gesture from the 'fans' suddenly they didn't seem interested. That's where my opinion of the ego's of some started. Really? Don't recall this - remember you organising it though. Who did you speak to? For the record, a number of TSA people didn't go on to partake in the Saints Trust, me included. Went to the initial meeting, and that was my lot, couldn't be doing with it, and never joined either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 9 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2010 Really? Don't recall this - remember you organising it though. Who did you speak to? For the record, a number of TSA people didn't go on to partake in the Saints Trust, me included. Went to the initial meeting, and that was my lot, couldn't be doing with it, and never joined either. I can't remember the exact details to be fair, but it's fair to say, i offered it to TSA to help out and was basically told 'nah, you crack on son' . On another note, I wrote to the Echo asking them to justify why they were still reffering to the Saints Trust when they don't exist... the deputy editor basically emailed me back and said 'yes they do exist' I have challenged him to do a piece on what the Saints Trust have done in the last year and what they have planned for the future. I doubt I will get a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 10 April, 2010 Share Posted 10 April, 2010 I can't remember the exact details to be fair, but it's fair to say, i offered it to TSA to help out and was basically told 'nah, you crack on son' . On another note, I wrote to the Echo asking them to justify why they were still reffering to the Saints Trust when they don't exist... the deputy editor basically emailed me back and said 'yes they do exist' I have challenged him to do a piece on what the Saints Trust have done in the last year and what they have planned for the future. I doubt I will get a response. That's because the press like a 'renta-a-gob' saves them doing any actual work, same goes for the media 'love-in' with Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 10 April, 2010 Share Posted 10 April, 2010 Personally I thought the Saints Trust were right to ytry and unify the fans to save our club and I was grateful for their efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 10 April, 2010 Share Posted 10 April, 2010 Although I think you are a gobby **** Stu, keep up the good work to find out the answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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